A Vanishing Echo: Grand Canyon Railway 29
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 11. 2019
- For an alternate view of this trip, check out “Out the Dutch Door: The Last Run of Grand Canyon Railway No. 29” ( • Out the Dutch Door: Th... ) which features video shot from aboard this excursion
In 2019, Grand Canyon Railway 2-8-0 Consolidation 29 went down for its 1472 day inspections . From the TRAINS Magazine Charter in October of 2019, this video showcases the historic final runs of Grand Canyon Railway 29 before the expiration of her 1472-Day Inspection "Tube Time" the day following the conclusion of this footage. The first-part of this video focus on Saturday which included the 29 pulling a train of still Pullman Green before they are repainted. Run by locations include Miller's Wash, Willaha, Coconino Canyon, Anita, and Woodin...
The Second Day features movement around the Williams Yard with appearances by Mikado #4960, ex-Amtrak EMD F40FH #239 on the daily train, and Montreal Locomotive Works (ALCO) FPA-4 6793 on the Pumpkin Patch Train. Also, in the consist of the Pumpkin Patch train is a newly repainted Southern Pacific Harriman “Suburban” Coach into the railroad’s new Polar Express scheme, soon to be applied to all the 1920’s era coaches on the GCRy. Other runbys include a shot at the underpass of the Santa Fe’s Transcon with multiple BNSF Freights, and finally runbys at Pronghorn Ranch, The North Pole, and Quivero.
Note: Original Outro Music has been deleted due to a copyright claim, if music is still not present, I haven't re-edited it. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I Rode this on July 4th 1992. It was the first time they ever ran a double header steam up to the south rim. We had 11 cars and 700 passengers, and it was a blast. Had a Jazz band at the station playing to see us off, and cowboys on horseback shooting alongside the train as we were leaving. Got some Great video going around curves, leaning out between the cars.
Northern Arizona is such a magnificent backdrop for this classic rail line, and both are masterfully showcased here. And what a finale, bravo!
Great video! My wife and I rode this the last year of daily steam, and we got to ride behind 29 each way. It's as close as I'll ever get to the feeling of daily steam operations back in the day. It was SO worth the money! We rode it again a few years later, behind diesels. Still a well-run operation but not nearly as magical without steam...
Your channel deserves a lot more attention.
I know, I'm a bit of a hunt and peck at this. Between working for the railroad and all the other stuff in my life, this channel seemingly doesn't even get the proper attention from me. No one even watches the timelapses I've shot and uploaded here.
Super video! Very well done. Nothing like double steam. Thanks for sharing.
Glorious sights and sounds...LOVE trains!
What a fantastic video, enjoyed every moment of it. Thanks for sharing!!!
Tremendous stuff. Here in England we have regular mainline steam excursions , but the need for safety is paramount . So every few years , it's off to the workshop for a boiler rebuild , or whatever is needed . It's an expensive pain , but better than a fatal explosion! . Keep on steaming.
You certainly have a wonderful collection of steam power.
From what I've learnt of the inspection and certification of steam locos on y'all's side of the pond, which ain't much, you all don't hafta worry 'bout the number of days any given steam locomotive has ran, where as over here in the States, we do. That's why our boiler inspections and certifications are called either 15 year inspections/certifications, or a 1472 inspections/certifications. The way it goes is that a steam locomotive has to receive new tubes and flues either every 1,472 days of operation, or every 15 years.
Great job with the camera work, steady and true. Lets a viewer really immerse themselves in such great moments of steam action. Thanks Grand canyon RR.
Thank the tripod!
WOW! Truly an amazing video! Perfect execution of what looked like a blast.
This is a really epic video! I love the sound and sight of GC #29 and the other trains on the go here! This is a really thrilling odyssey.
Really loved this. Well done! Stepping back in time. Sound was great.
You might really enjoy my 2 Arizona playlists. I had no idea when I compiled them that they'd become windows on Time, time-capsules that would stand in memory of the era of our lives before this year. The large one is a video tour of the region, following the map and journeying from place to place, an armchair vacation, if you will, affording an expansive view of our beloved home-region, and the much smaller one showing some of the very best of the scenic videos, "Beautiful Arizona, Scenery for the Soul." How we love Arizona! ~ Greetings from the Old Pueblo. (This video is in the video tour, in the Grand Canyon section, along with many other fabulous videos, some historic. :)
Wow! Excellent video. Enjoyed every minute of it. Your fade outs where quite special. And your time lapse of the Grand Canyon with the Suite by Grofe was the cherry on top. Thanks for sharing.
Thank You... I ended up making a separate trip back to the Grand Canyon after this to shoot the time lapses, I’m glad you like them!
Thoroughly enjoyed watching your video. Your work is phenomenal; there's definitely an artistic element to it. I'll get out there to see 4960 one of these years.
FANTASTIC piece of film!
Marvelous. Thanks for the ride.
Great video with a lot of great shots. It was awesome to see this collection of steam and diesel engines, and all running at the same time, too!
I wish we could turn back time truely love these trains
Can't get over how windy a lot of those scenes were!
This train looks amazingly perfect. I hope they're going to complete a full overhaul (whatever's required) and put this train back in service.
(Those cars look depressingly empty, though, from a revenue standpoint...)
Is #29 still burning Coal? Or does Oil make that much black smoke?
That was actually really cool: seeing the two steamers driving side-by-side. :) Thanks!
c182SkylaneRG
A whole lot of that smoke is just them showing off for the camera, it makes a good video. A good fireman can clean a lot of that oil smoke up and still make more steam than needed.
Beautiful video work with a great subject.
Loved this! Well done indeed!
Wow. Very nice, and musically bookended by excerpts of Ferde Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite, which interestingly, is also in my large Arizona playlist at the beginning of the Grand Canyon section. To share this video with others, I've saved this to my large Arizona playlist, a video tour of much of the state, saving it to the Grand Canyon section, to follow the modern Grand Canyon Railway video. Just think: this was how early visitors came by rail to the South Rim of The Canyon, from the spur at Williams, after journeying on the Santa Fe. Hmmm. Thanks for sharing and posting.
Can I thumbs-up this again? :)
While living in Marquette Michigan I would climb on #29 while it was in storage in a portion of the LSI yard known locally as the Railroad Grave Yard. Glad when it was saved and returned to service in AZ.
listening to her at the start of the video, what an awesome sound
The 4 engine lineup brought me to tears... and made me subscribe 😅
I remember going to the south rim to what I think was Grand Canyon Village in the 80’s. I remember tracks were there but paved over at crossings. TRAINS magazine had an article on this operation in the last 10-15 years.
Thank you for that video it's good to see and I'm a new subscriber
Thanks for subbing!
some great footage here
What an absolutely fantastic video! The GCRW Steamers are very good looking, Sad to hear that 29 is on her 1472. Lets hope the old girl comes back soon(ish)! Shes got quite the whistle, sounds very Australian. Sounds great if you ask me! I really do hope the GCRW is doing very well financially, the more steam the better. Actually suprised they dont have one of those Chinese locomotives that came into the US a few decades ago. I know the Iowa Interstate has done a pretty good job "American-izing" their Big QJ's but I wonder what the CGRW could do! Speaking of which what the hell is RJ Korman doing with theirs? Thank you again for this video, Watching videos like these remind me of Westerns and my Grandpa. It really put a smile on my face
Wow! Beautiful Engines.
I worked on these tracks years ago in Williams. Beautiful line
They run her pretty fast for such an old locomotive! Most excursion railways that have locomotives of this era (and design) only let them crawl.
Thanks in no small part to the trackage they inherited from the ATSF, the old Santa Fe prided themselves on good trackage and high speeds which no doubt contributes to GCRy being so confident in their rails.
The other part is obviously the maintenance of the locomotives, which GCRy can take full credit for, they've done an immaculate job of keeping these locomotives not only operational but in good enough shape to use them as true working engines.
Outstanding work, Mr. Diehl!
It actually originally hauled iron ore near lake superior in minesota! I live south of duluth!
We were at the first steam run up to the Canyon. Big thunderstorm 39F temp drop. Golf ball hail storm.
What an adventure. Lots of pictures taken.
I was there when they concluded a massive overhaul on 29, the same year they took on the F40s and we also had to deal with DOWT all at the same time. Chaos and fun all at once.
Ahh, Thomas... yeah, they did one when I was there... What a mess...
Fantastic.
Whoever sneezed at 16:00, Bless you. 😆
It is glorious!
I have a poster of these beauties on my wall in my bedroom, given to me by a fellow train lover years ago
Love the grand canyon suite by ferde grofe Nice video
The Grand Canyon Suite by Ferde Grofe, beautiful!
8:54 the rim of The Canyon. :) left side, in the distance, as the train heads back to Williams. 18:50 That's Interstate 40 in the distance, that traverses Arizona east/west, from California to states east.
Its crazy to me that GCRy 29 and WMSR 734 are sisters, and that they both used to haul iron ore on the great lakes before hauling passengers on opposite sides of the continent.
What a Wonderfull sound they make I do hope they come back again don't you LOVE STEAM Man 78 YEARS OLD!!!! FROM CONNECTICUT..
Wearing my GCRR sweatshirt while watching this! Rode there last year, got behind the F40 so no steam for me.
I wonder how many old west movies, and TV shows used the Grand Canyon Railway for their train scenes. Some of those video clips look like they came straight from an old John Wayne movie, or an episode of Gunsmoke.
A re-tube should be a fairly painless process, which any competent boilermaker can achieve. The bigger problems are more likely to be tube plate erosion, especially at the fire box end, other plate erosion and broken firebox stays.
The thing is regardless of which components are worn or not, the entire locomotive has to be disassembled down to the bolts and rebuilt from the ground up, often just that task alone is enough to put some locomotives out of action for decades or even for good.
Look at UP 3985, Frisco 1522 or Cotton Belt 819 for recent examples.
I think they should replace the engines with a couple priuses to be environmentally friendly! Haha🤣 Awsome video👍!!!!!!
Not sure how I feel about the Polar Express concept. I guess it might attract customers, but it seems so toy-like compared to the Pullman green.
I much rather prefer the historical green, I even mention to one of my former coworkers there of why they couldn’t coerce their bosses to paint it Southern Pacific Lark gray since it’s a two-tone scheme. But, the photos I’ve seen of those cars in service at night in the new scheme actually look pretty good. Sadly I understand why, these cars rake in cash for just the polar express so it makes sense to paint them that way
@@Big_Diehl The original Pullman color was NOT green. It was Brown, Same color as UPS. B&O used Blue. Pennsy and many others used Maroon or Tuscan. Of course UP uses Yellow.
And many RRs used 'Straw' color, kind of yellow. Or even Cream color. On Many of the older cars they used contrasting colors on the windows. Many selected Red for the wood windows, used even on steel cars. But coal smoke kinda did away with the light or bright colors.
GREAT VIDEO
super video bro
Hopefully it won’t be long...
Well there goes my favorite engine at the Grand Canyon Railway
Its not going away, its gonna be looked at for maintenance to see what needs to be fixed and servicing.
What makes the “hum” on these locomotives? It sounds almost like an electric motor spinning.
jacuzzibusguy you’re probably hearing the “dynamo”, a small steam driven electrical generator
18:37 Looks like the atomizer's gonna need some work... see all those flames under the cab? Oof...
What is an "Atomizer" and what do they do? I've never heard of one, but dang those flames looked crazy!
@@bazis98 The atomizer is used on an oil burning steam locomotive as the entry point of oil into the fire. It uses steam pressure to break up the oil into a fine mist (or atomize,hence the name!) before it is injected into the fire. It can be controlled from a series of valves in the cab to adjust how fine the mist is depending on the amount of heat you need generated and the amount of oil being injected.
@@PowerTrain611 Cool! Thank you for the information 😁
@@bazis98 No problem!
I like those three ATSF boxcars are my favorite 👍👍
Santa Fe C40-8W 855 they’re part of Al Richmond’s collection for the Arizona State Railroad Museum
Been there twice and I want go back to the Canyon, again. Also, I want to live in either Williams, its home depot or Flagstaff: a great educational and scientific town with plenty of railroad action.
Water, on the other hand, is an issue...
@@williamnoll7935 you aren't kidding! City of williams owns a 7000 ft well and the water delivery services are bigger than a grocer in revenue.
Wow they take care of 29 pretty well. Her timing is square. She should be on the rails again in 3-5 years i give it.
can somebody tell me what type of engine, this is, i know that it is a -2-8-0
It's a Consolidation.
Wonderful views. Thank you, BD. Converted toil-burning? Wish it were coal. Presumably coal increases risk ofires and oil is easier tobtain.
Do these trains ever haul freight? Ridiculous to have double-headed for 5 passenger cars. 26:22 Well done timing!
What will happen to the locomotive now? Will it be refurbished and someday back to service?
It’s currently in the process of having its inspection. Though the pandemic has hit the pockets of Xantera and put it in hold.
SUPER
The steamers have sealed beam headlight conversions. It's blasphemy I tell you !
It just aint right I say!
The 60163 Tornado, in the UK, runs LED headlights. While not a vintage steam locomotive per se, it's rather an odd component choice!
Probably due to the expense of maintaining the old original headlamps and the difficulty of finding parts.
@@RickyJr46 Tornado also has quite a lot of modern underframe lighting as well which they use for night time inspections when on railtours. It looks a bit weird when switched on.
@@Pesmog 2716 has light for night time inspections
This is probably one of the last places to see locomotives this old going the speed they were built to go. I'd be hella nervous driving a 114-year-old locomotive at almost 50 mph.
What do you suppose the top speed shown in this video might have been? 50 then? I thought some of those straight-aways looked to be about 35mph. No?
@@cacatr4495 I clocked her at about 35.7 at her fastest (just counting driver rotations per second), but I've seen other videos where they open them up more, particularly 4960 (which has bigger drivers). In one of their info videos, they claim they let both steam engines get up to the railroad's top speed of 45-50mph.
Top track speed on the GCRy is 40 mph. Source: from when I worked there, and it still hasn't changed.
Charmx: This is so 😞.
Are they just stopping her to do an inspection and repairs if need be.
Well there will be some repairs needed, they might not be major. But the main expense of this inspection requires ripping everything off the boiler both interior and exterior, and ultrasounding every foot of the boiler.
@@Big_Diehl Then it's not really vanishing, is it?
@@Greatdome99 I racked my brain over a title, and when I ran it by some former GCRy coworkers, they all approved... It passed one focus group, and I ran with it.
Yes the lagging comes off and the boiler needs cleaned. It then has a grid marked and they do an ultrasound for wall thickness. They will do some math after the ultrasound and come up with a max pressure allowed for the existing boiler condition. If it is not high enough, then repairs are required. At the end, after repairs, a hydrostatic test is required prior to return to operation.
@@daveh9083 you are right. you can't save it if it is not maintained.
You know it sure would be nice to hear from some one By the name BIG DIEHI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank .
Why didn't they turn the shutter sound off on the still camera so all we hear is train?!
I can't turn off the "shutter sound" as it's the physical shutter on my DSLR actuating. I don't have the fancy set up with a microphone 5 feet ahead of the camera at the time to accomplish that. My only option would be to not use my camera, and since my still photography makes money while this doesn't (right now). The video is a byproduct of my still photography. Shameless Plug: www.bigdiehlphoto.com/Trains/GCR/Grand-Canyon-2019/
@@Big_Diehl So your in the stone age with a film slr camera? Hope its 120mm so you can make "BIG" posters...
@@cw3339 "DSLR" , a Digital Single Lens Reflex, 24.1mega pixels, and yes, you can get them "BIG" from the site.
@@Big_Diehl
Did you notice the big fire under the engine in the seconds that followed minute-mark 18:35? Wow! I wonder if they knew. That looks unsafe.
So are they completely ending this train excursion or just taking the engine to rebuild?
The locomotive is going for it's 1472 inspection and rebuild, which is required for all steam engines in NA.
Why is it a 1472-day Inspection interval and not one based on hours of operation? Also do these inspections generally result in the discovery of serious problems?
Farley Musclewhite because it is what the FRA has decided. The old rules were a five-year inspection, no if‘s and‘s or butts, although extensions could be filed. The new 1472 day inspection allows a better flexibility with either that number of service days which is days where the boiler is above atmospheric pressure, Or 15 years whatever comes first. In this case for 15 years came first.
Why not extend the “Tube Time” period ? Why is it really shutting down ? Fire, money issues, employees, old iron maintenance, complaints ? Curious .
Not having Bob Franzen around probably slows them down a bit.
You can’t extend the tube time period, not without changing the Federal Regulations. 15 years is the max now.
Thanks guys. Seems very short period for the investment involved. Thanks again
Jerry Smith Until about 20 years ago it used to only be five years, and if I recall correctly that was whether you had a fire lit in it or not.
@@Big_Diehl the Gettysburg explosion changed the way they enforced boiler maintenance going into the 21st century.
Haven’t y’all noticed that a lot of American steam engines are going through this now?
Well here in the USA, every 15 years this happens to all operating steam locomotives. The 1472 day tear down is "The Big Rebuild", and it's mandated by the federal government. Ever stood at the hot end of a 300 PSI Steam Bomb? The crews of these things do.
You want them in tip top shape to make sure that bomb doesn't go off in your face. So the engine will be dismantled and inspected, repairs will be made (usually after 15 years lots of heavy work needs to be done, there's hundreds of moving parts!) and she will be re-assembled and re-certified for operation. The process can take several years as it's very meticulous and thorough.
I know right, at least 4014 is up and running again.
If I remember right in the UK their pattern is to rebuild an engine once every 10-12 years. As mentioned below, here in the USA the regular pattern is 15 years; although I have heard of some engines getting federal extensions allowing them to go a year or two past the 15 year mark depending on their condition.
How fast the rebuild takes, really depends on the railroad. I know some locomotives that went down for a rebuild a 10 or 15 years ago, and still haven't come out of it because the railroad they are on has not prioritized them. I have seen other railroads finish their complete rebuild process in just over a year, with the engine only missing a single season before it comes back in steam. Again, all dependent on a lot of factors like shop availability, management goals, money available, etc.
Guess 2019/2020 is that time year steam engines need their yearly check up at the rail doctor 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@jacoblyman9441 Yep, money is always a big concern. Steam locomotives are expensive to operate an maintain. As far as the re-certification goes, that applies to the boiler flues. I think every 9 years they are inspected by the FRA, and if they pass they can get renewed for another year. There is no limitation to how many renewals flues can get as long as they pass inspection.
What About 4960?
Erwin Fermin it’s still good on its tube time for another eight years
So where is the grand canyon?
Brint Smith North of Phoenix
This video shows the route there or back from the town of Williams, Arizona, where the rail-spur/rail line begins. This video doesn't so much show The Canyon except at the beginning and end. As to location, the Grand Canyon is in northern Arizona, about an hour's drive north of Flagstaff, and a half day's drive north of Phoenix. If you want to learn more about Arizona and its scenery, feel free to enjoy my 2 Arizona playlists here on CZcams, the large one being a video tour that follows the map, winding its way through the region. I chose the best videos I could find. The much smaller playlist shows several areas, just a few, and some of the very best videos, "Beautiful Arizona, Scenery for the Soul." If you look at a map, you can see where the Grand Canyon is in relation to the rest of the state, and can follow the map in accessing the larger video tour. :) Just click on my CA/round blue icon to get to my YT channel playlists.
Bye for now 29
Great video! I would've liked to see it without the fading in and out though.
let the tree luggers grab a steam locomotive
Is the engine a 2-6-0?
2-8-0 Consolation.
@@rogermolina1244 Thank you.
At least 29 is undergoing a rebuild and will return once its done which I hope will be before 4960 is due for hers which I believe is in 2025 or 26.
Hauling empty cars, a lousy arrangement. Just for the final run! See how many people are interested, taking snaps and taking time to welcome and enjoy these black beauties. Pity no one thought about having them aboard!
We were on the train. Check out my other video: "From The Dutch Door" (czcams.com/video/Yh6ojhbCEJM/video.html). The train stopped, let us off, then backed up, and ran past us for the shots above.
if they don't bring it back than somebody needs too buy it and bring it back somewhere else. what a shame. plus why pull cars with nobody in them.?. i would have preferred too see the engine and tender all by itself anyway
Cars were empty because they were doing photo run by's. Everyone was in a photo line taking pictures.
@@yardhog
The video poster said they were riding the train that day, that the train stopped to let them off, backed up to run by them for those photographic scenes we saw in the video. So it did have passengers.
I love all type of trains, but that was a trip from nowhere to nowhere through the badlands. Maybe one end is the Grand Canyon park, but I never saw that. I also didn't see any people in the carriages.
I'd hardly call it "nowhere" on either end. Nor, would I call it badlands... It's quite beautiful on the whole route.
The first 15 miles and the last 25 miles of the trip are absolutely breathtaking but its next to impossible for a camera crew to stage there unless they go by train. But yeah, the cow pastures at Red Lake and Willaha are a bit unflattering. I will say one of the most impressive phenomenons in this area is watching it try to rain! Storm clouds and visible rainfall except that it manages to evaporate less than 1000 ft from the ground.
You state final runs!, of this loco?, and why? Of the season? You don't state WHAT the final run is.
maddennis55 as mentioned in the video description. The 29 is down for its 1472. Whether it returns next year, or 30+ years from now, or ever is not currently publicly known.
@@Big_Diehl WHAT DESCRIPTION??
You can't read info that does not exist!
The description is there, and has been since I uploaded it. It’s right below the video in the window.
@@Big_Diehl Yea, you just put it up! was not always there., else I wouldn't have asked about it!
Are we taking bets on how long it takes for rails to trails to try getting the rails ripped up so all the phonies can go trekking.
This line is FAR from ever becoming a trail. The National Park Service likes it too much as a transport into the park, and it’s profitable for the railroad’s owner.
What A Shame
"Final runs" ? The person that made this video should get some information on the train before uploading a video and trying to make it sound over dramatic just to get views.