2020 Riese & Müller Superdelite GT High Speed Review
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- 2020 Riese & Müller Superdelite GT High Speed Review
Independent review of the fantastic 8700€ Superdelite GT from Riese & Müller, fitted with the Rohloff electrical shifter and the high speed version of the 4th generation Bosch CX Performance motor. This bike fits two large batteries in the frame and can be categorized as a long range endurance bike or a very capable commuter ebike.
Why don't all eBikes use 48V motors? • Video
0:00 Intro
0:43 Who am I to review a 9000€ bike
1:28 Electric Shock bike store
2:30 Superdelite Mountain
3:43 Superdelite
4:03 The highlights
4:40 Overview
9:42 Diving in on the details
13:30 The test ride
16:56 Three bad things
17:48 Three good things
18:29 Conclusion
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Great review! Thanks! Concerning the price, this bike at first seemed ridiculously expensive to me but it replaces a car and a car for 9000 Euro is cheap but will cost you a whole lot more than this bike will ever cost you. A car burns money and makes you fat, a bike burns fat and saves your money 😀
Thank you!
Yes, I think if you consider the the alternatives of commuting, eBikes are in general very low on cost regardless of model.
Thank you for making me feel better about my recent purchase 😄
I've been commuting by bike for a few years now - I haven't got a R&M yet, but cycling saves me £200 per month on train fares - although I do have to spend on cycling clothes, tyres, chains etc every so often. It also saves me £50 per month on the gym. On that basis, this bike would pay for itself in 3 years, give or take. Also saving the planet a bit and all that shit.
A car have far more uses than a bike. Fat can be burned in many cheaper ways. Beside if you eat healthy in the first place fat will not be an issue. 😌
Exactly. Nobody is saying something if you get a expensive german car,
but God help if you get a great bike. I don’t get it.
Excellent review. Very professional considering this is your 1st review.
Thank you for your support! 😀
Nice review. Your editing and overlays are very good. Thanks for the work! I’m subscribing to your channel.
Thank you very much for your kind words and for subscribing!
Yippee, I've reached 100 subscribers! A strange thought that 100 persons think it is worth following this channel. Thanks all! 😀
Informative and straight to the point, gorgeous location to test my future bike..coming in 2 weeks, cannot wait....
The reading is a bit monotone and it lacks the natural pauses between sentences but its well written and straight to the point, reinforced by visual text...well done man
Thanks for the feedback! Will definitely have to work on my storytelling skills!
Probably the the best full and honest review on the R & M Superdelite
I bow so deeply I need a (bike) helmet!
Thoroughly enjoyed your straight forward review style and the scenery of course. It’s helpful to know from your test ride experience any potential pitfalls with the functionality of this high end model as it helps with purchasing decisions.
Am just waiting to check for any further upgrades from the next Eurobike before ordering. The S class analogy sticks in my mind now as I try to wrestle with the price. The knowledge helps that longer commutes are to enjoy emission free with no fuel receipts to collect. Thank you.
Thank you!
The Superdelite surely is a step up from the competition. I think what differs this bike the most after some thinking is how robust and hassle free this bike is.
if you can settle with an E class, there are other great bikes out there like the Moustache Samedi 27 Xroad FS 7 which is a much simpler design and does not have the Rohloff hub e t c, but it starts from around 4000€.
Excellent and very informative and fun video. With the distance that bike offers really does open up new adventures in the surrounding areas. A little bit pricey obviously (!) but the technology is great and bike looks totally bomb proof. I love the colour scheme too. Some great looking trails there too. Orihuela Town looks lovely too. Hope you will be doing more reviews in the future Olof!
Thanks!
Yes, that bike really opens up the landscape! I am planning a couple of other bike reviews, hopefully there will also be MTB reviews too later this fall.
Take care, Hugh!
Thank you very much for this honest and humble review. It answered some nagging questions I had, especially about the suspension system. It has also nudged me closer to closing my eyes and signing on the dotted line. I especially felt your comment about the bike adding miles easily points directly to what I'm looking for in it. A balance between exercise, comfort, and range.
Thank you! 😀
Yes, I am coming from mountain bikes where suspension systems often are pretty advanced and plush in comparison. I hoped for more in that area. There is nothing wrong with the range and speed though. Heard from someone that could do over 200 km in eco mode with this bike.
Cheers!
Good review well done told us what we need to know..Thumbs up.
Thank you very much, sir! 👍
I've subscribed, looking forward to seeing your Superdelite GT adventures, cheers from the UK. Ride safe. This is the very best review I've seen, thank you.
Thank you!
Unfortunately the Superdelite is not mine, but there will be an episode where I ride through the Spanish country side with it. 👍
@@MTBs Thanks for the reply, I'll look forward to your future videos! Cheers.
Good work! Own a 2020 R&M Charger 3. Best buy since years! Very happy on every meter. Looking forward to the 85NM Update.
Thank you! 👍
Dis you finally get your update 85nm
Very good review ! Thanks
Thanks for your great review, especially relevant to me at the moment as I am very close to parting with my car for one of these instead. The 3 bad/good points are very useful pointers. Keep up the good work! :)
Thank you very much! 😃 Will try my best to make more and better bike videos. Good luck with getting a nice bike!
@@MTBs Thanks. I'm running up against a lot of misgivings from family members. Perhaps I'm not being realistic in their eyes.
@@BasilBear That is quite normal when when buying expensive bikes. Don't let that lead you into any doubts. 😂
Jokes aside, it is a pretty expensive bike so try a few before you buy is always a good advice.
Very well done. Totally informative. Thx.
Big thanks! 😀
I agree, a lot of detail and it answers my questions without even having to ask. 🙂
Thanks for the careful review and honest impressions.
Aaaah, my very first bike review from when I was living in Spain! Thank you! 😃
Really informative review, kept my interest despite the price.
Thank you! The Superdelite starts from just above 7000€ and the Delite (1 battery) starts from 6000€. The bike that I tested was the top-specced bike (no ABS though).
Good review!
Excellent review, thank you so much.
That old review! :) Well, thanks anyway!
You did a great job on this video! Keep them coming. FYI - You inspired me to go look at one of the R&M Delite models here in FL. It is an impressive machine. However, I decided to buy a Bulls Iconic EVO TR1 Speed. Half the price ...German made ...similar components ...similar spec. If it turns out I made a mistake I can always upgrade. The Riese & Muller bike is an Amazing Bike.
Thank you!😃
Yes, there are absolutely alternatives to the R&M. I must check out the Iconic Evo, thanks for the tip! 👍
Great review, sir. Well done. Maybe the MTB-Cycletech Code 45 as the next one?? A bit for personal bennefit, i supose.
Thank you! 😀
Would love to test the Code 45 with the Pinion gearbox, but sadly it is very difficult for me as a very small CZcamsr to access bikes. But if the opportunity arrives I will sure like to test it!
Informative and balanced - bravo 👏🏻
My very first bike review. 🤓 Thank you!
Helpful review, thank you
Cheers!
Well done, good first review> I am trying to talk myself in to a R&M but might have to save a little more atm.
Thanks! :)
Yes, it is a lot of money to cash out, but it is a fantastic bike that probably will last a long time!
I'm currently waiting for my Charger3 GT Vario HS to ship to Seattle next month. When I first started looking at ebikes 2 months ago I laughed at the R&M price tag.... After finding what I wanted in an ebike, it looked like R&M was the only one offering the particular options (belt drive, great bosch motor, drive train that can with stand motor+human torque, partial suspension). It just so happens these options really bring the price tag up and severely limit the selection that's available.
Definitely try riding one at a bike shop (or something with similar components). I don't think I'd ever be able to make such a purchase without test driving first.
Nice review
Excellent reviews and u really do the best that u can do with the equipment limitations, Thanks.
Would be really nice if you can use a new phone for recording since the go pro sucks at color accurate filming.
Thank you for your kind words!
Yes, I was filming with an old Samsung S7 at the time. Now, since Christmas I film with a Gopro 9 in flat colour profile which I think works really well!
@@MTBs isnt its a bit yellowish, still a good phone camera would be better but I get that this is a small youtube channel, but u should still try using a 1-2 year old phones video quality.
Depends on the colour temp and how you grade the footage. I need the Gopro when riding, much easier than to use a phone (I got a Samsung S20 now), the Gopro has got a wide angle and great stabe.
I also now use a Sony ZV-1 for the other stuff that does not involve riding the bikes.
I find when filming on smartphones, there are always ways that I mess up the shot. The stabe doesn't work in all settings and weird focusing e t c. Too random for me so far and too little dynamic range. But I am sure that one day I can ditch my ZV-1 and use a phone instead.
Great review ! Very clear and to-the-point. Based on your conclusions, I guess the GX upgrade with improved suspension (front & rear) makes sense. R&M have created a new level of bicycle experience
Thank you! I think this particular bike is aimed at fast commuting mainly on asfalt. If gravel is the primary surface I would go for the GX package with more suited tyres and that extra 40 mm suspension would probably completely transform the riding experience.
Take care!
Hmm. The dropper seat post and the extra suspension travel are sounding good now. Especially as I'm 115kg and 197cm. I will mostly ride roads and asphalt paths but I guess with the two batteries you dont worry too much about rolling resistance on the road and the tyre noise is probably less than the motor. If I dont like the knobbly GX tyres for roads I can just swap them out before a road trip. I will get the 25kmh version though.
Thanks for the review.
I think on asfalt the std susp is good enough. Your weight will probably make the susp work better. I usually ride off-road so for me the GX would suit me better. But you should of course test yourself before buying. Good luck!
Does the GX option improve the front suspension? I have noticed that ebikes don't take care of high frequency bumps as easily as non-ebikes. That could be the ones I've ridden, or the weight of the ebikes.
My superdelite was produced 2 months early. Very excited, my dealer said by the end of January I'll have it.
Nice! I hope the end of production problems in the bike industry is coming to an end soon.
My dream bike!
Nice video. It's my dream bike. I tested it some weeks ago. BR Tom
Hi Tom,
Glad you liked the video and the bike! Take care!
/Olof
Good job. So informative.
Thank you! Hope you're injury will heal properly. ;)
Great job! 👍
Thank you! 😀
Great review man, I just came from an ebike shop selling these beauties
Thank you, mate! 😀
What is the range on this compared to the Delite? And what is the range of the Delite?
Nice job 👍🏻
Thanks! 😀
Well done, a range test would be nice, but i understand that this was not intended yet. thanks
That would have taken a long time. 😉
Treat review! This is the bike I want, but as you said, the price is steep. There is still some saving to do...
Thank you! I think it starts from around 6500€ or so if you can live with a regular derailleur system and other things.
Thanks a lot for the comprehensive review. Excellent job. That’s the type of review I was hoping for, informative and hitting a lot of very relevant points, e.g. components, ride feel, range, the good and the bad. I’ve been eyeing this exact bike for a bit over a year now. To me, it checks almost all the boxes. The one challenge for taking the plunge is primarily the price. So, you’ve had it for a while now, apparently. Would you buy it again? Or would you opt for something else? Have you upgraded any components? Have you done any long touring on it yet? Thanks in advance. (Liked and subscribed!)
Thank you for your kind words and the sub!
This is not my own bike, I only borrowed it for a few days to do this review. I am more into MTB so if I would get the MTB version of this bike if I was going to buy it, or at least the GX version (If I rememeber it correctly). I don't want to be limited to only tarmac and gravel.
I don't think I would upgrade an expensive bike like this, I would probably buy the right version from the start, in the end that is better use of money since forks e t c are more expensive to buy separately.
I could live with the brakes, they are good enough. But I was a bit disappointed buy the fork. It worked ok on tarmac, but not so well when it gets a bit rougher. If I was to upgrade, I would probably upgrade to a better fork, like a RS Lyric at least and then I would have the option to easily change to 200 or 220 mm rotors in the front without having to use an adapter.
This bike is all about reliability, sturdiness speed and range. Personally I am looking for playful eMTBs instead, like the Specialized Turbo Levo SL but that is an entierly different concept.
Cheers!
//Olof
PS. A dropper too!
Nicely done, I picked up my Superdelite GX Rohloff three weeks ago and agree it’s a heavy but amazing bike for commuting and gravel rides. Checkout the Moustache Samedi 27 Xroad 3 FS 2020 as a cheaper alternative and the Stromer ST5 for its high-tech. 🙏👍
Thanks!
I actually tested a Samedi Xroad in another video (Chillest bike shop...), but that was just a quick ride in a parking lot and not a real test. But agreed, it is very competent too and with a very different price tag.
Congrats to an epic bike, BTW! 😎👍
@@MTBs thanks
Very good review. I am thinking of this bike but am also comparing to the Homage. I’m curious if you have checked it out and how you compare the two. Thanks.
Thanks!
Sorry, I haven't. Did do I video about some Specialized eCommuters though.
Nice review....Subscribed! What color is this? The light is changing in your videos and I cannot tell (besides I'm color blind) but if I had to guess I'd say warm silver matte.
Hi and thanks!
Yes, the color changes too much in this video even though I color graded it equally for the whole video. Where it looks green/yellow it is very early in the morning (Spanish summer sun). I think the color of the bike actually is 'Tundra Grey Matt', but I am not entirely sure.
I confirm, is't tundra grey matt. (a bit of green in it). There is two choice of colors and the other one is much more grey.
Great review, Thanks. Could test the HNF-Nicolai XF3 Adventure and compare them, please ?
Thank you! 😀
Would really like to test the Nicolai or the Stromer ST3 too, but it is so difficult to find demo bikes to review, especially for me as a very small youtuber. But if there is an opportunity....
Nice review. I'm fairly sold on this bike although it is expensive as hell . Convincing the missus that it's a wise use of money is proving somewhat tricky. Still - easier to get forgiveness than permission.
😂
Really nice work on this review. I have been hunting around for an unbiased review of the Delight and this was very informative(even if it is the super version). I have subscribed to your channel!
One question, do you think the delight version of this bike with the suspension upgrades would be suitable for trail use with tree roots and rocks? I had been considering a mtn bike but they are all speed limited where I can use the hs version of the delight for off road and commuting. Would love to hear your opinion.
Hi Paul and thanks for the sub! You have got number 397. 😆
I think it would be ok for occasional off road use, but it is miles apart from a proper MTB such as this: czcams.com/video/Goj5APefNdo/video.html
I have not ridden the GX version, and I don't remember what fork it has got. If it is the Fox 34 I would say it is not enough on a heavy bike such as this. The Fox 36 would be a better match (have tested both versions). But in the end I highly doubt it would be any fun to ride as a MTB on other stuff than fire roads and smooth tracks. It shouldn't be confused with a proper MTB, it would be more of a "sightseeing" or adventure bike.
There is also a mountain bike version of the delight with beefier components. That bike would probably handle roots and rocks better. On paper I think the Delight Mountain is more of an adventure bike for big days out. If you want to get airborne you should look for something else, but there is nothing wrong with a planted bike. Just different styles.
I think it is difficult to combine a good commuter bike with a fun MTB to be honest. I don't know how long your commute is or what your trails look like. Is it the 45 km/h version you are after and is it 95% commute and 5% off road mostly on fire roads - sure it would be a good match. Enduro trails - no chance.
Cheers!
//Olof
PS. A lot of guess work from my side here, you should really test the bike in person before forking out that kind of money. It is nothing like experiencing a bike yourself.
@@MTBs Thanks so much for the thoughtful answer. Very much appreciated and will help me immensely in my decision making. You make a lot of sense.
Thanks for this great review. I have a question. I would like to know if you have ridden this bike without the battery. Pedal power only. Is this possible/comfortable given the bike is so heavy. I live in Australia and would like - in the future - to fly my bike legally (without battery) to Europe and the US - renting batteries when I am in country. Thank you.
Ahh, Australia! What memories! I left a Ford Falcon at Bondi Beach in -94. If it's still there its yours! 😆
I tried to pedal it without assist for a short while and I think you can do it for a few km if you run out of batteries, but it is not fun in any sense. In my case I still had the batteries in so the bike weighed the full 32 kg. Maybe without the batteries it is a little bit easier.
I felt that even in eco mode it was a bit heavy, eco mode is only good for slow cruising in my opinion if you are not looking for doing some proper workout.
So in short, pedal power only could be done as a last resort, but only for shorter distances if you are not very fit of course.
Good luck on your future adventures!
Thanks for that - I shall check out Bondi next time! There are still a lot of old Falcons on our roads!
I am thinking of a Focus eMTB at the moment - the Jarifa hard tail. The cost of the RandM, along with little dealer support (I imagine getting replacements for a Ford Falcon in Spain may not be so easy...)s going to take me more mainstream. Great clip by the way
@@philipkefford5644 There are many great eMTBs out there, the Focus Jarifa is a very different bike than the Superdelite though.
Late answer but might help, with the gen4 engine its very doable based on facts (as in i tracked the amount of watts i as a human put in) I tested 'tour' mode at 25km/h and had to put in 110watts of human power. Turning the support of on the same road/moment if i put in 110watts i went 17km/h. So for normal biking in the netherland 16km/h is avg and also the 110watts is not weird for that speed. So if you loose power just assume you will drop back in speed mostly which is fine if needed. In fact since the avg of none ebike here is 16km/h you can and i have turned support of when riding relaxed with someone else.
That's a very comfortable commuter or explorer e-bike. Alas for just supporting 25 km/h it's too expensive and 45 km/h class got too many restrictions riding legal in all terrains. I think there are some lucky countries allowing support of 32 km/h in all terrains which seems to be perfect for such a bike.
I personally think 25 is a bit too slow for any eBike on a road.
A very comprehensive review, well done.
The price mis come down, I find it too expensive for what it is. With the same money you can buy a nice scooter or a second hand car in very good condition.
Thank you for your comment!
Yes, it is a lot of money for a bike but this is the top specced model that has got all the expensive options. I think this bike starts at around 6000 € (which is a lot of money that too of course).
Agree. You can buy a Cake Ink&, for instance, and have infinite fun. I know it’s apples and oranges, but that gives you a point of reference. I hope to own both at some point.
Le seul truc que j'aurais à redire sur ce vélo que j'adore, c'est qu'à ce prix là, ils auraient pu faire un effort sur les soudures et les lisser pour qu'elles soient invisible. Plus de 8000€ quand même...
Et aussi je viens d'apprendre que le port pour brancher son tél. est un micro USB, donc totalement inutile (cela devrait être un USB C, BOSCH n'a pas assuré sur ce coup là), a moins d'économiser depuis 10 ans sur les achats de téléphone pour pouvoir se payer ce superbe vélo. 😀
Great video, how easy is it to maintain 45km per hour? The motor does have a 500 watt right?
Hi!
I don't think it is 500 W, it is the same torque (85 Nm) as the "normal" CX Performance so my guess is that it still is 250 W continous power. It is definitely punchy enough to propel any bike up to 45 km/h.
On the flats it is easy to maintain 45 km/h, but in inclines you need to shift down a gear or two. Slightly slower in other words.
Cheers!
@@MTBs did you ever drive the stromer st2? It’s much higher watts so easier to maintain 45?
No, I haven't come around to. I have not come across that brand yet, but will keep an eye out for it! 👍
BTW, wasn't the Stromer a hub drive bike?
@@MTBs rear wheel 750 watt motor with a Sturmey Archer 5-gear hub standard.
Wow, what a view in last scene :) Where was it?
Right about here: goo.gl/maps/d9pZau6uCRreNmD1A
I think it is some sort of a monestary right above the city of Orihuela in Costa Blanca, Spain.
Uhh. I can’t decide wether it should be the Fully Superdelite or the Supercharger. 🤔🤦🏼♀️
Test ride is not possible because of the stupid Corona.
I have this bike with the same specs. The bike is awesome. Great range, high quality components. However, the specific HS parts like claxon, licence plate are clumsy and not well designed. Eg the power cable of the claxon is ripped of by the water bottle the first time you steer left/right. The licence plate rattles like crazy.
Hi and thanks for your input! Didn't hear any rattle from the license plate on this particular bike, but maybe you are right that these parts are an afterthought.
Bike Adventures yeah it seems this bike is designed as a low speed bike and then some HS parts were bolted on without much engineering effort.
Well done 1st review. Would have been great, if you had also mentioned the drink bottle design for this bike though.
Personally, I wished Germany, where I live, would treat S-Pedelecs less as an annoyance by law. You are not allowed to do most things your are allowed to do with a Pedelec or generally any other regular Bicycle; it's essentially treated as if it was a ICE powered Motorbike and you cannot use bike lanes and have to ride on the country road (where cars come with over 100kph from behind), even though there is a perfectly fine bike lane next to the road.
If S-Pedelecs would not be treated so badly in Germany, I would probably get one and be able to cut significant use of public transport off of my commute.
Hi Joe and thanks!
Did mention the clever bottle holder solution briefly, but that was probably easy to miss. But I really liked the idea of having 2 bottle holders within easy reach.
I am not sure how 45 km/h bikes are treated here in Spain, if they are allowed in bike lanes or not. I am from Sweden and I think it is the same thing as in Germany there - they are not allowed in bike lanes. In general I think there should be more development of infrastructre around bike and pedelec alternatives, especially in warmer countries where it is possible/easy to bike all year round.
Take care!
//Olof
It's the same in the UK. You technically have to have number plates, insurance, motor vehicle tax disc and a motorcycle helmet. After 3 years your bike will need an MOT or road-worthiness test. So most people, I'm guessing (cough, not me), just take the risk that the police aren't going to know the difference between this and a standard e-bike. You just need to make damn sure you don't run into anyone, or blast past the cops doing 30mph.
To ride 45km is this easy to do whit this bike?
Oh yes, easily! 100 km too without any problem (dual batteries). One guy gets over 200 km in eco mode.
Hi, i mean with the speed can you maintain easily 40/45 km a hour?
@@Marco-us8ei Ok, I misunderstood you. On the flats it is no problem to maintain 45 km/h with relative ease. In inclines the speed will decrease.
Thank you i’m still choosing between this bike and the stromer st3 or st5
@@Marco-us8ei Very different bikes I would say. Seems to be hub motors and no suspension on the Stromers? A lot of money for lack of proper tech I would say (just my opinion at a first glance of the Stromer).
Chatted with another CZcamsr who owns a Superdelight, (czcams.com/channels/_N_4BIbenD8ALZStj586NA.html). He claims that he gets >260 km in eco mode with the 1125 Wh batteries. That's amazing!!!
Average speed ?
Hi!
On the flats 40-45 km/h is absolutely doable over a longer distance. In inclines the speed decreases a bit.
Top speed???
Hi!
This was the HS (high speed) version. 45 km/h.
If it had a more tradition real rack it would have been a better looking bike. But I do appreciate the Rohloff IGH
1 year later and my R&M SuperDelite was €10,100 so you got a bargain.
Yes, this was probably 2 years ago so I'm not surprised.
@@MTBs still worth it in my book.
@@myopenmind527 The good news is probably by this time the 'return' value compared to a car also got better even the more expensive bikes are probably 'free' after 18months compared to car+runningcost...
I have this bike now for 2 months. I have lots of problems until now. 625 Bosch battery was dead and replaced under warranty. Now my bike does not work because of a 550 error. Dealer is not able to find the problem yet. I am not very impressed by the service and quality of this bike. The components are top not h but the electronics cause lots of problems.
Ouch, sorry to hear about your problems! Didn't think Bosch still had those issues any longer... All standard equipment on the bike and no extra lights or anything?
I think, since it is an expensive premium bike and that R&M has got a reputation (especially with reliability and quality) to think of, you should claim a new bike all together if they cannot solve your problems.
@@MTBs no extras mounted
The cause of the error 550 was an internal cable of the front light which was damaged. Crazy this can happen on a new €9000 bik after 500km. I am not happy with the Riese Müller quality so far
@@Lordoftheflatbush I understand that you are not very happy with that experience, but good thing that you found the problem. Thanks for sharing your story, it might help others. Hope you will not have any more issues and that you can enjoy the bike in the future. Happy biking!
Where are all the people? Everywhere looks deserted!
This was filmed during partial lockdown in Spain. It was also very early Sunday morning.
@@MTBs That makes sense!
Those discs are cooked 😅