We Descend Into Lost Caverns of Ixalan! | Commander Clash S15 E26
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I like the fact Richard also goes transparent when he cast Teferi's Protection.
Damn can’t believe Tomer hit them with the Kiki combo
Did you all notice how brutal Seth is when you don’t let him draw cards?
What do expect when you take away his one true love?
Well, what else can he do, durdeling is off the table.
When Seth can't draw cards he's not locked in with them, they're locked in with him
the fewer cards he draws, the more dangerous he is. if he draws too many cards, he'll be forced to spend his mana on card draw spells
Seth not drawing extra cards is like you without a snickers.
This week on Commander Clash: What if no creatures stayed on the board for more than a turn? lol
Respect on Richard for fielding Green Sun's Twilight after calling it trash but giving it a chance anyways.
Looks bad at first, comparing it to the other sun etc. cards, but plays well whenever you need it.
Need some buildup bc you never ever want to cast it with x
@@kobisjeruk Nobody is playing that card outside of "casual commander" anyway, where it's not only perfectly acceptable but often the *correct* play to simply dig up to 5 cards deep to draw up to two cards.
@@kobisjerukmeh, depends on the cards in your deck and the cards in your hand
OBM is kinda insane, the fact that it has an ETB, makes a token, can deal damage to players who are not drawing cards all at flash speed is just the nuts.
Yeah, the worst part is how it can hit creatures, and in multiplayer often correctly hits creatures of a different player than the one drawing cards - so you get punished for playing a creature deck against a black deck and a durdle deck...
Suggestion to the editor: the dead player cam should probably go on the opposite side of wherever the stack pop-up appears. Seth was zooming into the cards for the viewers but Crim's facecam was always covering the card's rules text.
Suggestion taken in. The stack pops up on opposite sides of the screen depending on who's casting the first spell or trigger on it or who's turn it is. If it isn't hiding Richard's stack, it'll be hiding Tomer's.
@@NiuttucHmm, I scrolled back through the video and paid closer attention to where the stack pop-up appears and it *appears* to stay put where you last left it. Seth just likes moving the stack window around throughout the game. Perhaps a note to the players to keep the stack relatively centered on the screen? Though maybe this isn't a big enough issue to warrant that.
Can we add orcish bow master to the list of cards under consideration for putting on the commander clash ban list at the end of the season haha
I don't think it's OP in commander but Crim sure does play it every game
@@Kryptnyt ya it's not like omega busted, but it's just one of those cards that makes the game about it haha.
staples ruin the game environment imho. Imagine going bowmasters, ring, cyclonic... SOOO FUUUN...
@@Kryptnytit's not per se OP, but it heavily punishes creature strategies, especially if someone else draws a lot, which is not fun.
Tomer - "I'm playing my first vampire" Seth, really quiet - "No Hobbit?!" :*D
51:15 Skyshroud Claim is better because they come in untapped and can be nonbasics as well (just have to be Forests). People just keep on forgetting about it.
But they have to be forests. In 2 color, if you already have your shock and basic check in hand or on the field you can't get anything but monogreen unless you're grabbing a tap land anyway. Or a abu dual. I guess.
I guess Richard WAS playing a 3 color deck so skyshroud claim is better than that in his deck, but the 3 mana to 6 mana scaling is so awesome. It feels so much better to play when you can dump any excess mana in.
Exactly on 4 mv, I'd rather have skyshroud claim, but in most scenarios I want open the way.
@@josephpayton7522 In a two color green deck how the hell do you only have one basic forest? Like what the heck are you filling all you land slots with Skyshroud is a miss?
@@josephpayton7522in 3 or more colors, you can get a bunch of duals or triomes, in 2c you should still have a bunch of basics
I’m only halfway through so I don’t know if Crim mentions it later, but I’m 99% sure he was hoping to craft The One Ring with The Enigma Jewel to provide some pain-free card draw. Which is pretty sweet if you can make it work.
The decks aren't really matched up well together this week. The 4 creature type strategy that these commanders/precons were built around are a good balance, but when one player is on high-power blue/black control and the rest are casting common and uncommon vampires and pirates, it makes the game uninteresting to watch.
Crim crimming instead of playing the implied merfolk surely is a choice that he could make...
I dont know if Tomer has enough vampires to actually count as a vampire desk.
You need humans for a vampire deck to be canonical.
What does a vampire desk look like? Does it suck out your blood while you write your evil grimoires on it?
I feel like it doesn't count when none of them stick around for a turn.
I feel so bad for Tomer. I feel like every game his board gets annihilated multiple time early on.
I mean in this case he kept playing out his commander without any backup protection at a table that interacts heavily so I could feel worse lol
He probably needs to learn not to overextend without protection if it's such a reoccurring theme
@@BloodMoonGo You play on curve 100/100 times, you shouldn't expect removal.deck players to play badly.
Yeah Tomer trends towards vomiting out his hand too early, but in this case some other players did as well.
I dunno I kinda like it
Hard disagree. Play with interaction up. Playing stompy style decks and not playing around removal and interaction makes all the Crim players happy.
Literally bullied Tomer into just not playing the game , power levels were not the same this week
Today we descend into the lost caverns of Ixalan, and check on our Ixalan friends both old and new! We have, uh… Orcish Bowmasters! Also The One Ring! And featuring Opposition Agent as well! Clash on!
13:37 No Richard, listen to Seth. Pirates are basically birds. Evasive low cost bodies, with small etbs and synergistic things that power them up.
You were right, Tomer, the Cardmarket crew does a more enthusiastic "Clash On."
Richard styling on them at the end lol
Oooh archeomancer's map on mtgo, hype
Also I misread Green Sun's Twilight the same way Richard did, the "plus one" makes it genuinely a good 2/3 mana play. Maybe I ought to give it a shot
The Enigma Jewel seems like it could be real busted with filter lands and signets, I wonder if it'll see any eternal format play
Enigma Jewel might be super sweet. I want to put it into a cycling/Zevlor deck. I think there might actually be a ton of use for it.
@@TheAsianAvenger69 I'm pretty sure it's just unironically a good card in the right deck, it might be fair Sol Ring, but I think their will be lots of decks where it won't feel so fair!
It's a shoo-in in Moonfolk fwiw, is that a real deck?
One of my playmates plays Zndrsplt + Okaum with a bunch of flings, so I'm used to play the best fogs that also prevent noncombat damage.
Here's a list for the fog connoisseurs: Repel the Abominable, Prismatic Strands, Moment of Silence (op nowadays), and Orim's Chant
I can’t wait to see what tribal decks everyone is playing. Oh it seems crim is playing crim tribal.
Oh hell yeah
Crim started the match with Ancient Tomb, Orcish Bowmasters and The One Ring lol, straight up cEDH powerstaples in a row. That's funny.
Oh wow followed by Opposition Agent and Cyc Rift in hand Crim is playing with power today, he juiced up his deck lol.
@@FuturePreference Oh? CEDH? Ill have to try it sometime.
@@TheAsianAvenger69 I'm here for it! Wish you guys would play more cEDH, suits your playstyle anyway I would think since you're a very solid player Crim.
Left!Tomer doing the ad read kinda freaked me out ;)
No joke, I thought someone had suddenly started talking to me at first. 😂
I swear u guys at the end everytime 🤣🤣🤣 hands down my favorite EDH players!! ❤
Wow! I can't wait to see Tomer's sweet vampire deck 😁
Tomer your vampire deck has nothing to worry about. Crim won human week with zombies after all.
I mean, zombies were humans. right? xD
@@TheAsianAvenger69 lol
One orky boy just erased Tomer from this game 😂😂
Card needs a ban. Badly. Player A punishing player B for player C drawing cards is just crazy.
@@JonaxII Not at all. It's Commander.
This channel is not, nor does it try to be, representative of normal gameplay. A decent player with a decent deck would have taken out the Bowmasters before playing Clavileño again.
Crim exploited the fact that they don't play enough removal. Richard exploited the fact that they don't play enough board wipes.
Crim did not do his homework. He gets last pick of pirates, dinos, vampires, and merfolk... Only merfolk are left. He's supposed to play simic, but instead pulls out a blue black reanimation deck fully knowing he's facing three heavy creature decks.
I thought only Tomer was allowed to openly preboard that hard.
Richard, I have a secret for you if you want to play high MV spells, use the Mercadia Battery Lands (Red has Mercadian Bazaar iirc, only 1 printing and it's a bigot iirc), each colour gets one so you can run 3 and still not use any Fallen Empires ones. I don't count them as lands or true ramp, but I've found a deck can short lands a bit and still play some haymakers if you have some battery ramp. Also, it's way more fun to tap a land for 4 or 5 mana vs tap 5 normal lands to do something. I use 4 total in a Rakdos deck with an average MV well over 4 and with only low 30s for actual lands, some of the most fun games I've had involved be short of lands but having a turn 1 Battery Land to start 'ramping' with. It feels pretty bad in the Strip Mine 'meta', but imagine being able to tell the story of someone wasting a Strip Mine on a land ramp cycle that even Godo decks look askance at, it's practically an achievement when someone tries to 1 for 1 you and your 1 card is something that bad. Anyways, I think you can shave an whole land off for each Battery land, and since you've got Green you can run all those Crop Rotation effects (...it's just the one iirc)!
Richard doesn't have Huatli's Raptor in his deck. It would be so nice, it not only is obviously very flavourful, it can proliferate Roar of the fifth people, so he could fetch it with chapter III and surprise double strike trample, or if he has it in hand he could go the ghalta plan and also give the team DS trample immediately
Agreed that the ceiling on Carmen is better, but I also love Clavileño! Super cool flavor and art. It’s an uphill battle fighting the other LCC precons but I enjoy playing him a lot
My left ear enjoyed that sponsor pitch
Hitting for 7 is all Gishath does given the number of times I have seen people whiff with it.
Love this series!
I really like this style of intro hope it sticks around
I agree with Tomer, defending his 1 non vampire, as Roaming throne is the best vampire, also merfolk, also dinosaur, also dragon, demon... etc
Break-It Brass is my favourite entry in the Wreck-It Ralph franchise.
man its awesome when richard wins because everyone can see exactly what he's trying to do and he does it anyway
Tomer consistently brings the most creative decks and consistently gets dumped on by the others for no reason. I'd rather see his decks go off then see the same staples be staples over and over
Tomer, there wasnt enough MLD in your vampire deck!
Great game!
Richard is gonna collect all the pirates and become the very best like noone ever was.
Big fan of the channel. I have a small request though. For these game, can the player hosting take more time to focus and hover over everyone's cards that they play? It helps me read them while watching on mobile. Thank you!
You should do a commander clash with playable characters from Baldur's Gate 3 ;)
Seth plays like me. I come to a table to have fun with whatever deck I'm playing. Im not normally doing anything too scary nor busted however once you prevent me from doing what I want to do or you irrationally target me you become my enemy that must die or be punished no matter what else happens the rest of the game.
normalize proper threat assestment please
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 oh I use proper threat assessment and when I point out what someone's doing and why they are the threat I still get focused on I won't completely go the vendetta route unless its obvious I'm gonna die however I will get my get back once if you come at me for no good reason.
Great game, all! And Tomer: consider yourself redeemed. :)
Anyone else get an ad in the middle of crim saying “enigma jewel”?
Okay that Bowmasters play was pretty cool.
At 32:23 Seth spared them. He could have countered Kindred Dominance, reanimated Glint-Horn Buccaneer and gone for the combo.
To me, it would have been a fun first game but maybe other viewers wouldn't have agreed.
Here's a whacky commander clash deckbuilding restriction idea that might be interesting. You have to build a deck where each card is from a different set of magic.
Crim with the troll politics just so everyone was also on Board to kill Tomers Commander when he wanted to do it anyways I feel 😂😂
I think crim’s use of bowmaster is really emblematic of a thing I see from Cedh to edh where people can’t resist the free value of picking off creatures, even if they aren’t just threat to them and could help pressure the mid range or late game stomp decks. I think it makes bowmasters to play against and in the long run lowers the Bowmasters controllers win rate because we’re stuck in one V1 magic mindset of never give up free value. But we wouldn’t snap off swords on a random thing. Obm can still pressure life totals when it’s not hitting creatures.
I wouldn’t exactly call a misplay, but just a different mindset that I think is costing people wins, especially competitive levels, but maybe in this game as well
no dowsing dagger on pirates is a crime. I would like to do a petition to richard play pirates next. It's the perfect dek for him
No white?!? No green!?!
Are you kidding me??!!??
But yeah, the dagger wants the pirates.
I actually would have preferred to see his take on merfolk. Crim's version was really weird. Looked more like a blue black reanimation deck preboarded against 3 creature heavy decks to me.
@@josephpayton7522 I know that no white is a tough ask. But that is the enteri reason I would love to see a aggro grixis deck. How would he build the deck what new tech he would use.
great video
For the Spanish pronunciation, you basically got it right. clah-bee-LE-nyo. (Vs sound generally like Bs. You nailed the ñ though.)
Wish I could edit - clah-bee-LEH-nyo.
Tomer should do a fan guest week so there will be other players excited to say clash on
Dire Fleet Ravager and Neheb, The Eternal was one of my favorite things to pull off in Amonkhet standard
1:35:11 This is a revealing comment. Back in the Timmy episode, people kept disrespecting Timmy's by saying that we like bad cards. We don't like bad cards, we just like to win in big, splashy ways (without a combo, if possible, because Johnny is the combo player).
Crim at this point is a professional gas lighter lmao.
Clavileno, First of the Blessed is sweet
why is wizards making everything sorcery speed or entering tapped?
Don't worry, Tomer, you are the only one that pronounced Claveliño's name sort of right 😅
What did Seth say at 28:17? Couldn't here him over the others
He says "Getting huat in here" in response to Richard talking about casting Huatli
Ha yeah, that was it@@bladefire2175
i dont think that tomer realized his commander triggers off any attack. he didnt need to attack with his commander itself.
I was aware
Typal v Typal v Typal v Open ended strategy. One of these is not like the others.
I like how immediately everyone's playing ixalan cards and then Crims deck is just LOTR 😂
This set is sweet for commander though.
It's weird like there is a convenient type that he could have played
my first card is LCI >:3
You think Crim is gonna play Ixalan merfolk? They have green!
Tomer being mono left for the ads was disconcerting
Points to Tomer for saying Clavileño right (on the intro at least!)
1:02:14 So why is Richard using Chandras Ignition on his 7/7 Etali rather then on his 6/6 Etali?
If he had targeted his 6/6 Etali then he would get to keep both Etalis and still wipe the other players boards.
Edit: Nvm, he didn't know it damages his own creatures. Just a mistake, i first thought he needed the 1 extra damage to each player or something.
Ramping with Archaeomancers Map out isn't even kind of similar to playing spells into Rhystic Study
Genuinely why not? The only reason I can think is that with rhystic you just wait a turn, meanwhile with the map you just can't cast your ramp ever. But you're still giving them a bunch of value right
@@trikovi1628For Rhystic Study to give them cards, it has to be negligence on your part because you have the choice to make the card mediocre. With Map, the choice is gone and it's actively bad to just sit on your ramp because someone can put 1-2 lands into play. They aren't especially similar in that way.
@@DylanHunter64 Yeah that makes sense to me, if you play into study everyone does and they draw like 30 meanwhile the map player just ramps 2. Draw 2 ramp 2 is still crazy but I guess it's not bad enough to halt your entire game plan over
Rhystic study is prisoner's dilemma. It's best for the table if everyone pays, but it's better for each individual person if they don't pay. For example if one person has rhystic study, two people are paying, and one person isn't, the two people paying at a MASSIVE disadvantage compared to the other two players. The only time you should be paying for Rhystic (besides if it doesn't actually cost you any tempo) is if there's a tablewide agreement to always pay. Otherwise by paying you put yourself at a big tempo disadvantage to anyone who doesn't pay.
@tomer -- good hair color choice / decision (you too as always @krim)
As a Jeff, I approve of Jeff the shark
It's actually a Marvel comics reference.
@@MakeVarahHappenI’ve not kept up with the West Coast Avengers. I still love the nickname for the land though!
@@tk421eatmyshorts Agreed.
batwing brume my beloved
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we have dug too deep and greedily. Will Richard sing a ballad to escape the depths or will Seth hide all his treasures there? Tune-in to find out!
56 mins in and i dont think richard has played a single dino lol
Crim plays the same deck every game.
He's got a core of Dimir staples and adds a few new cards to shoehorn whatever theme he's on each week. 😂
You're goddamn right. >:)
thwain the loc johnson has entered chat.
Fog count better be a slide in this seasoncs stats epsiode
Kind of wish Crim wouldn't politic so hard when it's not necessary...
Did Netflix One Piece convince Richard to read/watch One Piece or play the tcg?
did anyone watch the music video "our house" from madneess from 15 years ago ?
the guitar guy looks absolutly like tomer xD go to the video at 1:40 and tell me that he doesnt is just a clone of him xD
I lover how this game can be summed up as:
Richard: ( does nothing until he wins the game again) then says archeomancers map is cracked because it got 2 lands
Tomer: (plays archeomancers map and ramps) (tomer realizing he plays mostly black vamps and archeomancers hasn't helped him at all)
Seth: ( plays the pirate that makes people lose 1/3 of their life twice) is brass cracked?
Crim (the good guy): (just plays removal to make sure no one surges ahead) (plays the one ring and says I'll die to this and the dinosaurs are going to kill everyone)
Also Crim: is right about everything
Crim being out early but still bringing fun to the table. Gotta love it.
Tomer gives Vampires a bad name lol
Here for orzhov and terrible self mill cards
NO DECKLISTS?!
Decklists are linked and marked as such in the very first line of the video description, and discussed at the end of the episode.
You SHOULD Armageddon the ramp player, it works PRETTY pretty Well
The ramp player can always build back up better than non-ramp players. You hand them the game.
@@MakeVarahHappen that's when you wait until they have all of their creatures and all of their lands out then cataclysm their arse
@@MakeVarahHappen usually if they don't see it coming they'll probably be out of lands in hand, while you should have been holding some
@@alexandrelima2766 I gully agree with this in 1v1 but in a three-player game it's hard to simultaneously fuck over the lands Deck and be in a position where you can beat the other two decks with no more lands. Again, this isn't a strategy to bring back parity or stabilize. It just hands someone (hopefully you) the game.
@@MakeVarahHappen I mean I agree, most of the time try to have a winning board state then sweep the rug with geddon it's not beating ramp so much getting under it by using small efficient threats that will kill faster than they'll rebuild
4:00 Too little, too late, Tomer!
p.s. You didn’t mention the patreon in the ways to support the show.
Does Richard ever read cards??
Pronounced Clah-vee-len-yo. Tomer was the only one pronouncing it right and apologized yet nobody else bothered lol
Tomer wins the dieroll every week
I changed the Vampire deck to Carmen and it is way better
sol ring too strong, house banned. ancient tomb, w/e
I freaking love watching. Crim play.
Couldn’t richard just apex altisaur and won?
The fact that you can wheel with sheoldred, bowmaster, narset etc... is stupid af
Free spells and fair magic simply can not coexist.
Let's hope seth's webcam will fix itself until next time.
It's distractingly choppy.
Ok we are trashing tomer for play to few vamps, so we should trash Seth as well, cause he played e.g. anger.
I wonder if they had planned to make it an Ixalan kindred Battle but Crim refused to play Merfolk?
Fog Meta!