The Worst Mythics Ever | Commander Clash Podcast #37

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  • The crew discuss the worst mythics in Commander. Are any of them actually good?
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  • @phearamax4146
    @phearamax4146 Před 2 lety +317

    My favorite thing about Avacyn’s Memorial is that Avacyn was specifically the protector of the downtrodden common masses, and Avacyn’s Memorial only protects legendary permanents.

    • @C00kiesAplenty
      @C00kiesAplenty Před 2 lety +38

      This exact thing bothers me every time I look at the card.

    • @krisdaschwab912
      @krisdaschwab912 Před 2 lety +38

      @@C00kiesAplenty I choose to interpret it as how somebody's legacy can be distorted over time.

    • @C00kiesAplenty
      @C00kiesAplenty Před 2 lety +55

      @@krisdaschwab912
      "They had no marble, so the faithful repaired her likeness with wood, straw, twine, and clay."
      Even the flavor text disagrees with the card.

    • @Tvboy777
      @Tvboy777 Před 2 lety +3

      OP that's a bug not a feature.

    • @KC_Enthusiast
      @KC_Enthusiast Před 2 lety +2

      That card makes me so angry, every time.

  • @OJC6
    @OJC6 Před 2 lety +211

    20 generic mana + WUBRG: Draw a card
    Seth: "Eeeehhhh, I don't think it's that bad, it does draw you a card"

  • @DrakeAMV
    @DrakeAMV Před 2 lety +94

    Abyssal Persecutor for sure, Just hold everyone hostage at negative life.

    • @alaricpaley6865
      @alaricpaley6865 Před 2 lety +24

      I second this. That card is one that people are like "ill leave it alone because now I can't lose" and then they end up having to protect it and stop it from dying at all costs.

    • @dotmp3883
      @dotmp3883 Před 2 lety +4

      I love this card as a political tool lol

  • @TomGalonska
    @TomGalonska Před 2 lety +88

    Tibalt, the Fiend Blooded has exactly 1 redeeming quality: If an opponent attacks him, they have to admit, that they're scared of Tibalt. And that is the most shameful thing i can imagine :D (Oh, and despite the existence of "Nissa, Steward of Elements", Tibalt is still the worst 2 mana planeswalker)

    • @ondrejmikes1403
      @ondrejmikes1403 Před 2 lety +9

      Don't shame my simic sweetheart! During Uro plague on standard I transitioned my Bant ramp cancer into Pioneer - but I didn't have Hydroid Krasis. Saw that lass under 1$, bought two of them from my LGS and later in the afternoon in the same place cast her for 9mana swinging with 2 lands for 10. I couldn't stop laughing it actually worked.

    • @thezerowulf2046
      @thezerowulf2046 Před 2 lety

      Nah pair it with a teferis insight or eruth to replace the draw/discard with draw 2.

    • @TomGalonska
      @TomGalonska Před 2 lety +1

      @@ondrejmikes1403 I didn't even say that Nissa is bad... what?!?

    • @BobardeZanzibar
      @BobardeZanzibar Před 2 lety +6

      @@ondrejmikes1403 I think the joke is that even if you cast her for two mana, and get nothing, that that's better than Tibalt.

  • @Small_Panda
    @Small_Panda Před 2 lety +61

    Honestly I'm glad some of these are mythic as I will pull them less.

    • @poofypeanut0221
      @poofypeanut0221 Před 2 lety +7

      Fun y thing is, in some sets you'll still pull more of these mythics than the rare land cycle of the set. Or even uncommons in some cases. (Three visits, looking at you)

  • @mathewkavil3760
    @mathewkavil3760 Před 2 lety +31

    Abyssal Persecutor is great! It's not terribly hard to work around its downside, and it's hilarious group hug. I'd recommend trying it out once to see how the table dynamic shifts when it comes down - but you really can't play it without a safety valve like a sac outlet or board wipes in your deck

  • @NoirJester5320
    @NoirJester5320 Před 2 lety +44

    I would never try this with Archangel’s Light, but one of my favorite ways to finish a game is Syr Konrad and an Elixir of Immortality to get all those “leaves the graveyard” triggers.

    • @NoirJester5320
      @NoirJester5320 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SilverAlex92 I must have missed that one! Thank you!

  • @drwgordon
    @drwgordon Před 2 lety +28

    I’ve seen an abyssal persecutor win. The person was a 5c hug deck and would go get this card to really prove how dedicated he was to hugs. Secretly it was a trap. He milled us over many turns, then zedruu/donated it to each of us for the win. Pretty epic.

  • @stronggreenflame
    @stronggreenflame Před 2 lety +23

    Seth's face when crim said he's tutored for decent into madness is the best.

    • @casteanpreswyn7528
      @casteanpreswyn7528 Před 2 lety +1

      I've done that as well. It was one of my go-tos in my Liliana, Heretical Healer deck. My playgroup loves to just shove out permanents, and I had a nice little horde of zombies on top of the rest of my board. Ended up having a full board and my opponents didn't have a hand or board.

  • @andrewgolubiewski3463
    @andrewgolubiewski3463 Před 2 lety +29

    Abyssal persecutor seems very political in Commander. Your opponents can't lose the game. You can use it as a way to turn your opponents into your vassals who must protect you to remain in the game. If they're at the point they'd lose without your persecutor on the board you basically put them in a position where they have to protect you while they try to find a way to win before your piece leaves the board.

    • @bladetb3934
      @bladetb3934 Před rokem +2

      From first hand experience, my group atleast all refuse to be zombie puppets. They instantly start trying to kill me or my demon so they can die in peace.

  • @brningpyre
    @brningpyre Před 2 lety +32

    Reading the other mythics in Commander Legends makes Seraphic Greatsword even funnier.
    (Jeweled Lotus, Mana Drain, Vampiric Tutor, Mana Confluence, etc...)

    • @2ndLastStarfighter
      @2ndLastStarfighter Před 2 lety

      Yep, it's a White thing to have mediocre Mythics :p

    • @TheSquirrelbeast
      @TheSquirrelbeast Před rokem

      True, but I agree with Seth. It's not that bad. Free 4/4 angels that enter attacking is not nothing.

    • @lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147
      @lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 Před rokem

      @@TheSquirrelbeast Compared to Jeweled Lotus? Or Mana Drain? Or even rares like Jeskas Will? It could be a uncommon

    • @TheSquirrelbeast
      @TheSquirrelbeast Před rokem

      @@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 Just because other cards are more powerful, doesn't make SG trash. If you are thinking about how excited and rewarded you'll be by opening in a pack, sure I get your point, but if we're talking actual power level it is far from the worst mythic. Don't you agree Progenitor of Trash?

  • @JackGamesTooMuch
    @JackGamesTooMuch Před 2 lety +27

    Phil is always a fun and interesting perspective. I love when he is on these Podcasts. PHIL, you are a treasure!

  • @thatoneguy7781
    @thatoneguy7781 Před 2 lety +4

    You'll never know true fear until the Yuriko player plays an abyssal persecutor

  • @shadowpsyke
    @shadowpsyke Před 2 lety +22

    I tried so hard to make Rowdy Crew work when I got an invite to the Arena beta, because naturally I pulled 2 of these and couldn't afford to craft Rekindling Phoenixes. My reaction every time: "Please, please, please, NOOOO". I can actually remember the one time I got the counters, and then I still lost.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Před 2 lety +2

      Every time I got the counters I won everytime I didn't I lost. Absolutely love that pirate ( :

    • @JulianHernandez-tn5gu
      @JulianHernandez-tn5gu Před 2 lety +3

      Absolutely the most mediocre of the whole list. Just why the hell is it a mythic? At least some of these are interesting but this or Seraphic Greatsword are bad and boring

    • @Spaced92
      @Spaced92 Před 2 lety +3

      This was one of the only Red mythics I had at one point and I'd chuck it in Red aggro decks, I'm pretty sure the one or two times I actually got counters on it, it was from discarding a few spells that would've won me the game.

    • @jrjamesson
      @jrjamesson Před 2 lety +1

      @@JulianHernandez-tn5gu I mean, it is still a 3/3 for 4 mana with net draw a card. That puts it above many truly unplayable/useless cards.

    • @JulianHernandez-tn5gu
      @JulianHernandez-tn5gu Před 2 lety +1

      @@jrjamesson yeah. It's not awful it's just extremely boring

  • @kandjar
    @kandjar Před 2 lety +2

    @Crim / 1:14:51
    There's a big difference between: #1: "Indestructible -- Other legendary permanents have indestructible" and #2: "Legendary permanents you control have indestructible" which is: the card itself has the keyword indestructible; so if at some point you have a spell which say "search your library for an indestructible permanent" for example, it will be able to find #1 but not #2.
    This is also why, if Avacyn, Angel of Hope is in your graveyard, Kathryll Aspect Warper will enter with an indestructible counter. Had Avacyn, Angel of Hope been written has "Flying, Vigilance -- Permanents you control are indestructible", Kathrill would not be getting the indestructible counter.

  • @Suppaichu
    @Suppaichu Před 2 lety +21

    seraphic greatsword also says "player"with the most life, not opponent. So if you`re the player with the most life it`s just the +2/+2

    • @galleadden
      @galleadden Před 2 lety +10

      At least its a white card. how often do white decks want to have the most life am I right??? lord does that sword dissapoint in every way possible

  • @XavierGrim
    @XavierGrim Před 2 lety +31

    I feel that Tomer is living in magical wonderland with that Hellcarver Demon line. Six mana, triple Black, and requires so much to be built around it to work. And while Abyssal Persecutor isn't a phenomenal card, it doesn't have a profitable ETB or really advance the board like Seth mentions, it is at least a powerful threating beater that puts in damage. A single kill, bounce, flicker, or fight spell is enough to send it to the Graveyard and turn the effect off. Abyssal Persecutor every day of the week.

    • @Edgehead1132
      @Edgehead1132 Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah but now I want to try it with Kaalia of the Vast. You'd have to cast the doomsday main phase if you don't have a Vedalken Orrery or emergence zone. Cheat in Hellcarver Demon already attacking with Kaalia, and if possible cast Doomsday in response to it's attack trigger hitting the stack. Your 5 cards are Silence, Pyroblast for if they try to counter the Silence, Barren Glory, Wrath of God, and Chance for Glory. It's a pretty silly combo but it might be worth the multiple confused reactions at the table were I to get it to work. I have always wanted to win with Barren Glory, I might actually try this.

  • @Death_by_Tech
    @Death_by_Tech Před 2 lety +2

    it’s funny, i have a Helvault and i’ve always thought the same thing Phil said “it reads like it should do something”

  • @the_names_rob
    @the_names_rob Před 2 lety +4

    Something that I feel wasn't mention is that the mythic slots are an oppurtunity for RnD to play around a bit more because if its too OP or a weird unplayable card, it won't distort the draft experience because they won't show up as often.

  • @HueyPLewis
    @HueyPLewis Před 2 lety +3

    You can tell how far left field Tomer is about to go by how long he drags the "Sooooooo." It was long on Tibalt. Great show!

  • @RyanEglitis
    @RyanEglitis Před 2 lety +9

    If you read the flavor text of Avacyn's Memorial you'll know why it's so bad - they made it out of wood, straw, twine, and clay. The card literally says it's made of trash.

  • @nickday8581
    @nickday8581 Před 2 lety +7

    Archangel's Light would be interesting if it shuffled cards you owned from exile. That way, it could be used with spent flashback cards, which were in the Innistrad block. The effect has really only been seen once before (Pull from Eternity), but I think it would be safe on an 8 mana sorcery.

  • @easyemail99
    @easyemail99 Před 2 lety +11

    I'm glad to see people sticking up for Abyssal Persecutor. It's relatively cheap, in the perfect color to sacrifice it, and it can dissuade board wipes.

  • @Kryptnyt
    @Kryptnyt Před 2 lety +4

    Seraphic Greatsword: I don't think it's really all that bad, but being a colored artifact is always a bad thing if you want to run an equipment alongside Swords of X and Y. It's a problem with Godsend too and that card is actually kind of impossible to attack into.
    Rowdy Crew: Think of it like a Balduvian Horde that isn't quite as bad. It actually nets you a card instead of just mind rotting you. I think it's actually on the cusp of playability.

    • @greghill4683
      @greghill4683 Před 2 lety +1

      I agree about the greatsword, I run it in a Rograkh and Ardenn partner deck and it’s decent enough in there

    • @shadowfox513
      @shadowfox513 Před 2 lety

      It doesn't actually net you a card though, you end with the same amount of cards as you started with (since casting rowdy itself is minus 1). It's like, really really bad faithless looting attached to a below rate
      body(though faithless looting is technically card disadvantage on first cast) that has a small chance to be an on curve body.

    • @Kryptnyt
      @Kryptnyt Před 2 lety

      @@shadowfox513 It's even with an Elvish Visionary, the body is "worth a card" so it can be considered +1 card adv

  • @Death_by_Tech
    @Death_by_Tech Před 2 lety +3

    omg Phil i’m totally with you on Rowdy Crew, we’re on the same wavelength😂😂😂

  • @boombox_up_to_11
    @boombox_up_to_11 Před 2 lety +2

    Descent into Madness is awesome in my Dimir Proliferate deck. Once you have a single counter on it, you can turn up the dial. I once I had a game where DiM had gotten 2 counters naturally, and then at the end of my opponent's turn, I added 6 counters before my 3rd upkeep with it in play.

  • @pwnguinmage3562
    @pwnguinmage3562 Před 2 lety +15

    I love Avacyn's Memorial in my Kethis deck. I run it and Avacyn and it works out for me great. I often hit one or the other with a high mana Khamal's Druidic Vow, and Avacyn herself tends to eat a path to exile fairly often, something that at least happens less to the memorial. So yah, personally, big fan of the memorial, it is almost always a perfect protection spell and lasts a fairly long time in games.

    • @XXDevinReevesXX
      @XXDevinReevesXX Před 2 lety +1

      I have a ridiculous protect-the-president Dragonlord Dromoka (ajani tribal 😂) deck where I run avacyn, privileged position, and sterling grove. Boom. Ult those ajanis all the way to the bank.

  • @ToxenCarange
    @ToxenCarange Před 2 lety +5

    My favourite thing to do with the abyssal persecutor when I started playing magic was to equip it with grafted wargear. 9/8 Flample and has a sac outlet built into it.

  • @lunderdeamon
    @lunderdeamon Před 2 lety +6

    For Tomer, the enchantment Wild Research would be a great interest to you. you can tutor any enchantment or instant/sorcery, and then discard at random, and its repeatable

    • @VolvoxSocks
      @VolvoxSocks Před 2 lety +1

      I was wondering why I hadn't seen that for my Ghen deck, then saw the blue cost :(

  • @charmandenator5686
    @charmandenator5686 Před 2 lety +8

    I like Tibalt in my Dereti deck. Randomly discarding is sometimes super helpful and the meme value is so high it can't be ignored.
    I do really wish Tibalt was discard and then draw though, that would make it a really solid discard outlet.

    • @Spaced92
      @Spaced92 Před 2 lety

      I know it's a meme card but I don't really think it's one of the worst mythics ever, just because it does specific stuff every turn for the cost and I can't think of any other card that does the same things. Something like Reap Intellect on the other hand just has no place in any deck or would warp it to make you play even more bad cards. For example if it cost 1, the card would actually be busted in some formats, if Reap Intellect cost 2 or 3 I still wouldn't play it outside of a sideboard (did Seth really just say it's playable in 60 card formats ...)

    • @surfinggarchomp2820
      @surfinggarchomp2820 Před 2 lety

      @@Spaced92 no I think he said he played it in against the odds

  • @illakunsaa
    @illakunsaa Před 2 lety +10

    Abyssal Persecutor is secretly pretty good. The "your opponent can't lose" part actually means "you opponent can't win" because if somebody tries to thassa oracle nothing happens.
    You can also put your opponents to 0 life and you have essentially recruited them to making sure your don't lose because if you lose so do they.

    • @idioticavocado9333
      @idioticavocado9333 Před 2 lety +7

      I am sorry to say I looked this up someone can still win the game if the other(s) can't lose the game through win the game cards

    • @Ekair42
      @Ekair42 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah, I'm behind the bandwagon of this card as well!!! It's pretty good for politics and is a really efficient creature, besides, since you're on black, sacrificing it when needed isn't that hard

    • @andrewbrock3675
      @andrewbrock3675 Před 2 lety +2

      That's not how that effect works, at all.

  • @TheSassaboss
    @TheSassaboss Před 2 lety +10

    Hellcarver Demon and proteus staff to stack your deck into a bunch of Epic spells was the coolest use I've ever seen for it.

  • @WonderingSavior
    @WonderingSavior Před 2 lety +2

    Avacyn's Memorial is a budget option for an otherwise extremely rare boardwide static effect. It's not as good as Avacyn Angel of Hope, but you also don't have to drop $50 for a gigantic target. It's strong, but fair.
    If that wasn't enough for you, this is an artifact. It's still pretty easy to cheat in expensive artifacts. We have Darksteel Forge for this effect for artifacts, but Memorial protects the non-artifact support cards in artifact decks. Sometimes it'll be your commander, like Sydri or Oswald, or key pieces, like Academy Ruins or Padeem Consul of Innovation.

  • @ryanmalinowski7529
    @ryanmalinowski7529 Před 2 lety +6

    Can't wait until Richard comes back and sets the crew straight with F A C T S.

  • @ReLeaseHaVoc
    @ReLeaseHaVoc Před 2 lety +1

    I think I can see Hellcarver Demon working as a build around in a Kaalia of the Vast deck. You have all the extra combat, recursion, and tutor cards. The biggest problem is lands... Endless Horizons!?

  • @Gingerbreadley
    @Gingerbreadley Před 2 lety +2

    Abysmal Persecutor is the flagship of the enslave your opponents archetype. It is the best card in the game when one of your opponents go under 0 because now they can’t let you die and they have to protect your 6/6 beater.

  • @Rebecca-xj3dm
    @Rebecca-xj3dm Před 2 lety +6

    I was given a foil Tibalt, Fiend-Blooded by a friend. I play it in my slightly janky, slightly Chaos-y, slightly Devil tribal, Zurzoth deck!! Lol 😬 So, it is on Devil theme! Ok…maybe the deck is a bit confused! Or maybe, it’s just fun!

  • @MstrKipper
    @MstrKipper Před 2 lety +16

    Avacyn's Memorial will always make me so sad :,) How could you make a card this bad I wanted something for Sisay

  • @VexylObby
    @VexylObby Před 2 lety +2

    Avacyn’s Memorial is actually amazing in my Johda Legendary deck. Makes perfect sense.
    The plus side with it is that it cannot be swordsed.

  • @uniformchaos
    @uniformchaos Před 2 lety +3

    I was looking at Avacyn's Memorial in a shrines deck, lots of any color mana sources, and makes clearing shrines harder...but definitely its on the edge of cutting from the deck

  • @johnbolle1468
    @johnbolle1468 Před 2 lety +3

    I would have loved to hear Richard's opinion on Abyssal Prosecutor. Congrats on your angel token!
    I think Abyssal Prosecutor is secretly super good. It's absolutely unthreatening, is great as a blocker or an attacker, and it is a ridiculous politic piece. If one of your opponents goes off, they have to find a way to kill you or get rid of this; and the rest of the table will be trying to protect it, and while they're doing that you can sit around getting into a good position for the endgame.

  • @lorei1556
    @lorei1556 Před 2 lety +2

    I play tibalt unironically in my ehrut spellslinger / combo deck. It's 2 mana draw 2 and you can keep doing it during your next turn(s) or extra turns.

  • @ctomsky
    @ctomsky Před 2 lety +3

    My favorite part is when Seth points out that Tomer HATES Gamble but LIKES Tibalt.

  • @DaveTheNoob
    @DaveTheNoob Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for reminding me about Descent into madness! Its immediately going into my Umbris Nightmare/Horror tribal deck!

  • @plain6677
    @plain6677 Před 2 lety +15

    Easy: Hostile Hostel, since its ability can be activated only a sorcery and such is useless. You better of running a basic.

    • @BrewersKitchen
      @BrewersKitchen Před 2 lety +6

      Oh right, forgot about this card. I tried it in many decks but I think I've activated it once so far, just to trigger a death trigger

    • @Beisser76
      @Beisser76 Před 2 lety +8

      Nah that card is fine jank, if you can afford playing a neutral land instead of a basic.

    • @BrewersKitchen
      @BrewersKitchen Před 2 lety +5

      @@Beisser76 Hmm good point, the downside is not that bad. Not like Rowdy Crew or something 😆

    • @dougnapier6441
      @dougnapier6441 Před 2 lety

      dungeon descent is even worse. on arena, they changed it from 4 to activate to 1 to activate and it still sucks.

  • @Rancidtunip
    @Rancidtunip Před 2 lety +6

    With Abyssal Persecutor all of you opponents can't lose, I wonder if there is a way to use that. 🤔

  • @AAtac-hw2sf
    @AAtac-hw2sf Před 2 lety +2

    Back when 6/6 flying trample for 4 mana was a good deal, Abyssal Persecutor was fairly strong. The "can´t win the game" simply means you need some kind of removal or sacrifice sooner or later.
    Hellcarver Demon on the other hand feels like you will sacrifice everything to look at 3 lands, thoughtseize your opponent twice and gain a fairly good creature that you will sacrifice next turn anyway to the next Hellcarver hit if your opponent allows it

  • @bryanprillaman1857
    @bryanprillaman1857 Před 2 lety +1

    Avacyn Memorial is worded that way because of the way people parse cards. If you have a 1/1 elf that gives all elves +1/+1, they found people parse it as a 2/2 that gives other elves +1/+1. So they just changed the template to reflect the way people think

  • @robbyf3894
    @robbyf3894 Před 2 lety +1

    Helvault is great for effects where you take temporary control of your opponent’s creature. Take control, attack, and then exile for cheap so they don’t get it back.

  • @friendo6257
    @friendo6257 Před 2 lety +2

    Soul of Ravnica is bad but not that bad. I get it’s bad for commander but a 6/6 flyer for 6 is a bomb in limited. Being able to draw, while expensive is still useful. There are so many mythics which are bad in commander and unplayable in limited and don’t do anything useful.

  • @LuKo3x5066
    @LuKo3x5066 Před 2 lety +2

    4 mana for 3/3 trample, draw 1, mill 2 and toss a coin it gets two +1/+1 counters seems rather solid for me, but I am still not used to the recent power creep...

    • @ZanderKreegan
      @ZanderKreegan Před 2 lety

      “Draw 3, discard 2 at random” is a good bit worse than “draw 1, mill 2”. You may discard cards you have in hand that are part of an existing gameplan; this makes it decently likely that those are getting binned!

  • @MrSandman0709
    @MrSandman0709 Před 2 lety +2

    In a Blim deck you give hellcarver away and Goad it to attack and that player is pretty much out

    • @Breifcaseguy1
      @Breifcaseguy1 Před 2 lety

      Assault suit it too, then you bloodthirst blade.

  • @aurabullet4128
    @aurabullet4128 Před 2 lety +1

    I think a 8mana white sourcery that has the effect of Platinum Emperion that gives you the pseudo emblem that some cards do would be very good and playable.

  • @obadijahparks
    @obadijahparks Před 2 lety +2

    Abyssal persecutor has never lost me the game. It helps me to win a whole lot.

  • @kylereblitz2856
    @kylereblitz2856 Před 2 lety +1

    I would love to see the Rowdy Crew artwork redone using the faces of goldfish crew. One pirate's bandana is even the same color as Crim's hair.

  • @ericfletcher7046
    @ericfletcher7046 Před 2 lety +2

    Helvault secret tech: exile an opponent's commander and hope they let it exile (preferably when you know they have artifact destruction). Exile your own helvault. They'll never see it coming.

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 Před 2 lety +1

    I play Abyssal Persecutor in my Blim deck and it's great with Sneak Attack!

  • @doodlehumper3529
    @doodlehumper3529 Před 2 lety +1

    In defense of Helvault, it has a pretty fun spot in my Zirilan of the claw deck. It helps store my dragons that would disappear anyways and then I can pull out a dragon that can destroy it, and I can exile the dragon in response to keep it on the field. I’m not saying it’s good, but it has a special spot in specific decks

  • @MrPokepoke6
    @MrPokepoke6 Před 2 lety

    Ok ok, a really fun thing about Abyssal Persecutor in commander (that I didn't notice y'all mention) is that either your opponents remove it in someway, in which case you can win the game again (nice); or you just keep beating one of your opponents down to 0 with you 6/6 flampler (among other things, hopefully) and when they reach 0, they have to start using their resources (until they gain life, at least) to keep you and your Persecutor alive. Then you turn on another person and make thralls of the table. At the end, sac.

  • @markdowy1
    @markdowy1 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey idk if you will see this but doing partner commanders you could make a hellcarver deck with proteus staff with him being the only creature. One activation to tutor him out, second on a commander to stack the deck and put your barren glory/ whatever other shenanigans you wanna do on top. I would 10/10 love to see it

    • @markdowy1
      @markdowy1 Před 2 lety

      Omg, wernog and hargilde would be great! She helps activate Proteus staff and 2 mana value engine for investigating to dig for it!

  • @alaricpaley6865
    @alaricpaley6865 Před 2 lety +3

    On Avacyn's Memorial: it could maybe. Maybe. Have been at least *okay* if it gave vigilance and flying as well. Like. Actually gave all her abilities.
    The "only legends" thing makes zero sense tho.

  • @spliffi869
    @spliffi869 Před 11 měsíci

    Reap Intellect is a cranial/surgical extraction with X, which used to be a very powerful sideboard card in non-singleton formats. Regarding the fame of surgical extraction like effects, it makes sense they went careful on it and still tagged it as a mythic.

  • @Tomwithnonumbers
    @Tomwithnonumbers Před 2 lety +1

    Descent into Madness is the perfect mythic card. A fun durdly effect that isn't powerful enough to fetch a high price

  • @Lattle828
    @Lattle828 Před 2 lety +1

    i used descent into madness just for redundancy in a grixis stax deck. It was just a 5 drop worse smoke stax but it was more playable than the rest of the named cards.

  • @RavarSeer
    @RavarSeer Před 2 lety +1

    My fix for Archangel’s Light. Add 1 word, Cascade.

  • @3SidedCard
    @3SidedCard Před 2 lety +1

    Was waiting for Seraphic Greatsword. Of course this is the mythic I got in Commander Legends.

  • @Beardhomestead
    @Beardhomestead Před 2 lety

    Meeting of the Five breaths a sigh of relief that this list wasn't made a couple weeks later.

  • @thetruthisoutthere8714
    @thetruthisoutthere8714 Před 2 lety +1

    Sepharic Greatsword and Avacyn's Memorial calls resonate with me. Great Sword was a wet noodle, AvMem was a complete miss. Flying Vigilance and Indestructible with maybe +2 or something would have made her memorial usable, or some other triggered ability that resonates with Avacyn thematically (Fateful Hour?). They made it because they had to, the missed because they wanted to.

  • @G90556
    @G90556 Před 2 lety +1

    I played Descent into Madness back in the days in Damia, Sage of Stone, stacked triggers that I exile first from hand, then draw to 7, it was fun, for me at least.

  • @thomashearne4670
    @thomashearne4670 Před 2 lety +1

    Archangels light would actually be playable if the life gain was in a bunch of separate instances instead of all at once. The most important thing for life gain decks are the triggers that happen, not the amount you actually gain.

  • @pepperjacktv6827
    @pepperjacktv6827 Před 2 lety

    my foil mythic for Commander Legends was the Greatsword, thanks for reminding me

  • @matthew3214789
    @matthew3214789 Před 2 lety +2

    Richard should run descent into madness in his no turns tasagur deck

  • @princeLaharl2
    @princeLaharl2 Před 2 lety +4

    I know that Phil is actively meme-editing the video in his mind as everyone else talks. It's a fact.

  • @jettblade
    @jettblade Před 2 lety +1

    Most of those have a use in certain decks. I actually run Tibalt in my superfriends deck where it doesn't actually have many creatures so being able to steal everything and swing out can really throw people off. Also don't knock the 2nd ability. I've played against so many people with +12 cards in their hand and hitting them for that damage can be surprisingly impactful. Helvault can be good in Unearth decks because its exile is a replacement for Unearth's exile. You were going to lose it anyways tucking it under Helvault gives it a chance to come back at least. Kargan Dragonlord is a 2/2 for 2 that's decent enough, it's level up is just added effects and a mana sink if needed.

  • @sandels2000
    @sandels2000 Před 2 lety +1

    I used to play Rowdy Crew in my rakdos color pirate tribal deck in arena. And I though it was good, because you desperately needed card draw in there.
    Also because it had trample it was great with Buccaneer's Bravado and Dire Fleet Poisoner.
    I remember that it rarely got the counters.

  • @TheBrassLord
    @TheBrassLord Před 2 lety +1

    You guys do know both those demons are way more playable than my favorite art on a card deathpact angel

  • @icegentleman21
    @icegentleman21 Před 2 lety +4

    Fun fact about seraphic greatsword I found one in my leftover bulk from opening commander legends looking for the tapped 1 colour mana rocks and went "Wait that's a mythic?!!?"

  • @davidbain7629
    @davidbain7629 Před 2 lety +1

    Seraphic great sword. I would edit to when the equip creature attacks always make an angel. If the player with most life then make 2 instead. And if you want to push further 3 to equip

  • @BS-gk2cb
    @BS-gk2cb Před 2 lety +1

    At first glance I saw Archangel’s light as 2W. I still thought it was expensive for its effect….

  • @warwerewolf777
    @warwerewolf777 Před 2 lety +1

    46:24 "How do you make this card work Crim?"
    Descent Into Madness can combo with the Boros card 'Assemble the Legion' where if you play them on the same turn, and stack it Descent then Assemble, you'll get the soldier(s) first, then simply sac (it / them). Granted, it's better if you have either a token doubler, or Assemble at least one counter before playing Madness

  • @georgehadley854
    @georgehadley854 Před 2 lety

    Since nobody else brought it up, I'd consider putting Seraphic Greatsword in an Isshin equipment deck. Double up on angels with each attack. Throw in other cards that also generate tokens on attack (Sigiled Sword of Valeron, Blade of Selves, Moonsilver Spear, Captain's Claws), and have a "1. Attack, 2. Go wide, 3. ???, 4. Profit." deck.
    Honestly sounds kinda fun; might try brewing that.

  • @sharkydart
    @sharkydart Před 2 lety

    m15...i remember being super excited about Waste Not, and the Urborg reprint, and that's it

  • @NARFNra
    @NARFNra Před 2 lety

    Seeing Hellcarver Demon again is pretty interesting because it feels like if they were trying to design a Foretell Commander these days, it'd look something like it. Like, Dream Devourerer foretell your entire hand, swing in, get a new board or something would be cute. Not good, but, like, probably the most interesting development in Hellcarver value in recent years imo

  • @beeaggro2593
    @beeaggro2593 Před 2 lety

    Funny enough, I used to run descent into madness a lot because no one suspected it and I'd run it with assemble the legion in a smokestack style deck with smoke in it as well. It pretty much created a back up lock in Kaalia when I couldn't just smash Iona in

  • @ironman12348
    @ironman12348 Před 2 lety

    Scornful egotist has corner case uses at least. Like the high cmc for neoform variants or the riveteers charm type effects

  • @Loren_Law
    @Loren_Law Před 2 lety

    Archangel's Light if it could target any player and only cost 3 actually sounds like a fun and interesting card. you could use it as graveyard removal, protection against mill, or an interesting "finisher" in draft for a control deck where you gain 30 some life and lock your opponent out from killing you before they deck themselves.

  • @JonReid01
    @JonReid01 Před 4 měsíci

    48:25 duuuuuude this got me thining... there is a whole "exile" aristocrats archetype out there just waiting for the cards to be printed! that would be sick

  • @garrettleblanc7926
    @garrettleblanc7926 Před 2 lety +2

    Descent into madness works pretty well with assemble the legion

  • @coolcat6099
    @coolcat6099 Před 2 lety +1

    If helvault didn’t say owners control it would be hilarious as a 1 mana removal for threaten decks

  • @oelboy
    @oelboy Před 2 lety

    I played Helvault in my Sydris Deck
    When a board wipe is played, pay {1} for the Helvault to exile a creature you want to save, then in response pay {W} for Sydri to turn Helvault into a creature. When the board wipe destroys all creatures, you get the one you exiled back.

    • @oelboy
      @oelboy Před 2 lety

      Especially bonkers with Voltaic Construct which lets you save additional creatures with Helvault for {3}!

  • @thatepicwizardguy
    @thatepicwizardguy Před 2 lety +1

    ok so...
    Hellcarver demon + library of leng = GUARANTEE what you're able to play for free on that first hit, and keep in mind that black has a lot of powerful tutor effects. you stack your hand with insane permanents, hit them with hellcarver (use rogues passage or something to make sure it happens) and sure you lose half your things but then you immediately flood the board with your monster hand
    then you get wrathed and scoop, but if you don't they're in a lot of trouble

  • @baelsalmongaming
    @baelsalmongaming Před 6 měsíci

    Ok, hear me out for the Descent Into Madness... Play Crim's favorite colors (Grixis) make tons of treasures/tokens, play Paradox Haze, Copy Enchantment, proliferate the despair counters... ???, profit. Probably put in some counter removal like Aether Snap, Clockspinning, Thief of Blood, Render Inert, some bounce effects. Davros, Dalek Creator; Inalla, Archmage Ritualist; and The Rani are my top picks for commander if someone were to build it, they all give you ways to create tokens and suffer less. I think Inalla would do the best in this scenario, run cheap wizards and changelings, build a big board, and have the backup plan of pinging all opponents for 7 with your mostly useless huge board of Wizards.

  • @EdBurke37
    @EdBurke37 Před 2 lety

    Back when I was running a Darretti Mono-Red artifact deck I did run Tibalt as just a way to put artifacts into my graveyard. I only really ran artifacts so the random aspect wasn't a problem.
    Still wasn't GREAT though.

  • @starmanda88
    @starmanda88 Před 2 lety

    Oh hell yeah it’s a new one! I’m hype!

  • @RukiHyena
    @RukiHyena Před rokem

    Descent into Madness is actually part of a cycle that i hope they finish, Descent into Avernus being the fun one right now.

  • @supersonicslashx4741
    @supersonicslashx4741 Před 2 lety

    I would never play Rowdy crew, but it does end up netting you a card a milling two cards. It can also occasionally have really good stats for the cost

  • @surfinggarchomp2820
    @surfinggarchomp2820 Před 2 lety +1

    42:13 Seth, to be fair, one of the other three mythics is ragavan.

  • @stephenetherington344
    @stephenetherington344 Před 2 lety +7

    I got someone in my playgroup to add Archangel’s Light to his Lathiel deck, but it backfired and now he thinks it’s better for his deck than Craterhoof.

    • @richmondlau5945
      @richmondlau5945 Před 2 lety

      i didnt know about that card. i need it in combination with vito!! lol

    • @WYKlaure
      @WYKlaure Před 2 lety

      I can see it being part of the deck but come on better than Craterhoof, does he know he can blink hoof and get the bonus every turn?

    • @TeaRanosaur
      @TeaRanosaur Před 2 lety +1

      My lathiel list has no blink and a lot of the creatures start out as 1/1s and I'll only have 2-3 out at a time. If I have more than that or bigger creatures I'm already winning. So its a half joke but craterhoof would kinda be win more in my lathiel list. Besides, it saved me from decking once.

  • @bobzour
    @bobzour Před 2 lety

    The card I always compare Archangel's Light to is Gaea's Blessing. 8 mana to get your entire gy into your library vs 2 mana to get 3 cards (or mill it to get your entire gy) back in the library shows how overcosted that effect is.

  • @ChuggaChoo
    @ChuggaChoo Před 5 měsíci

    1:14:53 @crimnguyen they word it that way for effects that look for Indestructible while a card is anywhere but on the battlefield. So far there is nothing that checks for spells with or searches for cards with indestructible, but it's possible as long as it has this keyword separate from the ability.