American Reacts Salamis: The Battle for Greece | Epic History TV - McJibbin Reacts
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Never fight Greeks in straits or mounrain passes.
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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"Never step on a Leego" - Confucius
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Herodotus read his book, to an Athenian audience, that included Athenian veterans of Salamis, in a covered wooden auditorium on the flanks of the Acropolis, built from the timbers of the defeated Persian ships.
But most importantly to an eight year old Thucidedes.
William Branch - Nice...I think the Persians are doing the same with those two Greek tankers they captured in May 2022.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 what are you comparing here? A tiny fleet of Greek warships against the huge Persian fleet at that time with today's forces naval and aerial of Iran with plain commercial tanker's? Get serious. Any pair of commercial ships would have the same luck.
@@Rousseau4469 - I know. I’m Greek. It’s called humour. We invented it.
Oh man...the one who made the video you're watching made a huge mistake!!! It was the opposite about the ship building! The Persian fleet was heavy and big in comparison to lighter and smaller of the Greek fleet! That's how they won! Smaller and lighter could easily mannuver around in the narrow canal while big heavy fleet of the Persians were crumbed! And I Know that because iam Greek and it is our nation history. Believe me,he got this one thing wrong! Small things matters!!!!
Also Themistocles had the fleet stationed in such a point that every morning the local weather conditions created a draft that was opposite to the Persians ships course and in favour of the Greek fleet. That made the work of the rowers much easer while at the same time it exhausted Persians rowers that couldn’t manoeuvre due to lack of power. Also Persian sails where useless with the wind in opposite direction. It only helped them when they escaped.
Also Greeks were and still are a Navy nation and Persians weren't !!
"300" is not a historical film at all, if one really wants to learn the story, let's read Steven Presfield's book "Gates of Fire", a masterpiece.
The Greek fleet had small and quick ships not big and slow like Persians. Also many Persians drowned because they did not know how to swim while the Greeks were in their basic gymnastics to learn to swim..
The phalanx of that period allowed the swapping of rows, the soldier behind you brings his shield from your left to the place where you hold yours and at the same time you go to the back row to rest and go into the fight again ( in theory )
As far of your question, the ones in front line didn't die nesesarily, they had war tactics, there would be new soldiers coming forward to relive the front line, the armor of soldier was weight 35 kilos... None would have been to fight for more than 20"30 minutes, and they did have strategy. The battle was won because in marathon they had a brilliant tactic, only 192 atheneasx died.. That is unreal as a number.. And also think those people did the same thing every day,, they were hard working people, so hard work was a boost to their strength
The Oracle(s) were chosen representatives who spoke for the Gods. The one at Delphi, specifically, is the chosen vessel of the God Apollo, he whom could prophesy the future.
Listen to the gods omphe(voice).The aspect of the divine that holds power over what's about to happen is Appolon.Oracles or sybilles would undergo training from young age to be able to listen to him.They would be asked the question.They listen to the answer,they would reply in giberish to the Prophet and the prophet would give the answer to those that asked in the form of a poem.
@@moutsatsosa Also they whould get really really really high.
@@makiska8440 Thats is the assumption/Conclusion of modern "Historians" and it only refers to the one in Delphi.There were dozens if not hundreds of oracles in the mediteranian back then that were not build upon methane gas deposits.For example one that you probably is not aware is the Sybilla named Nikostrata that used to serve the god in the oracle of Eyboia.This person migrated with her son to Rome and is responsible among others achievements for the Latin alphabet (its not Latin its basically the Eyboian alphabet).If you would like to dive more into it look up for an oracle in Sisily that is almost fully preserved so you can understand the technicalities behind the building of an oracle and its purpose.
Greeks defending outpost Harry in Korean war
My understanding is that the oracles were priests/priestesses at Greek temples, through whom it was believed the gods delivered their answers as prophecies. Thus, the messages were believed because they thought the answers came from the god/s through the oracle, and so the message itself must always be right. It was therefore up to the questioner to interpret the oracle's often peculiar answers.
In reality the high priestess was "high" using herbs most often laurel leafs and had helpers, priests followers that had a duty to translate her sounds. In fact Pythia the high priestes had never offerered a clear answer and was notorious of this. We also have well established suspisions that Persians were "supporters" of the Oracle of Delphi through gold something that ancient Greeks weren't aware of.
A very well known story about Pythia's vague answers was given to a Greek citizen-warrior that was going to war. He went asking if he would survive the war. The answer was
ΗΞΕΙΣ ΑΦΗΞΕΙΣ ΟΥ ΕΝ ΠΟΛΕΜΩ ΘΝΙΞΕΙΣ latinised as IXIS AFIXIS U EN POLEMO THNIXIS
and this answer was given as seperate words, not within a phrase and without any punctuation. This traslates word by word as
Depart Return Not At War Die
That guy translated the answer as "Depart (and) Return, Not In the War Die" and was sure that he would survive the war but ... he didn't. When the war ended his family went back to Delphi to demand compensation. There they recieved and learned the true meaning which was "Depart, Return NOT, At The War (would) Die" and left empty handed.
Το this day, Greeks use the "ixis afixis" as a saying when someone dont speak clearly.
Some of the Greeks were in fact fighting alongside the Persians. The Ionians, Macedonians, Thessalians, Thebans, some of the Greek islanders etc could not withstand the Persian army alone. The Ionians were the first to fall, followed by the Macedonians and Thessalians.
11:50 First person that I've seen on youtube that got the advantage of city state conflict.
Battle of Marathon was the first time Persians were defeated by Greeks, an excellent strategic Π scheme from Miltiades.
Now this is more like it, Connor! Serious History! Good for you.
The Greeks and many other nations held the Oracle at Delphi in the highest possible regard. That may be puzzling to you and many others but it does not surprise me. Forget about superstition. That is not the issue. If you want superstition you will find plenty of that in the Red Hat sect, QAnon and Evangelicals. The Greeks were no more superstitious than we are today. They simply had a different worldview, one that was rapidly changing with great thinkers like Plato and Aristotle.
The oracles of the ancient world were trusted for a simple reason: they were trustworthy. One thing we need to know when dealing with oracles is that then and now they can only be understood if we accept ambiguity. Oracles always allow for shallow people to misunderstand them and to suffer for their lack of depth. The shallow understanding, in this case, was the wall around the Acropolis. The oracle was perfectly happy to be misunderstood. It encouraged deep appreciation and rewarded it with survival. And that was the true reason the Oracle at Delphi in particular was so important to the Ancient Greeks.
Precisely, oracles did what priests do; they offer ambiguous answers to those in need of them.
The gods and oracles were real to the people at that time. Like troop morale, if you think you are going to win, you may win, but if you think you are going to lose, you have already lost. Believing Greeks made the gods real, for as long as they believed in them. This is true of every religion and ideology.
That was so good
On a serious note about Athens and Sparta, Historia Civilis has great videos on how both of their government's worked. Legitimately fascinating. "The Spartan Constitution" and "The Athenian Constitution."
Those types of ships would later be expanded and become heavier by later periods. Quadriremes, Quinqueremes (a favorite of the Romans, hexaremes and other massive polyremes of the eastern successor kingdoms.
Yes you said my friend Greece is the light of the world! Without Greeks the known world would be still 1000 years behind!
"300 isn't an accurate movie something something dang Yank something something I have as little understanding of sarcasm as the love my parents never give me something something..."
lol you didnt get the sarcasm?
I don't have time right now, but tomorrow after my exam. I will relax, with this beautiful content by my side!
Typically ancient battles did not see mass casualties for the side of the victor, usually about 5%. What you need to remember is that battles were not as stationary as we see here, different sides would collide and then retreat and collide again until one side broke outright etc...
Also - keep in mind that ancient naval battles were not fought as represented in the video. They did not simply line up and charge as that would take away their mobility.
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- that's when they invented the "it's the greatest honor to die for your country" - still used today. lol (j/k)
- since you mentioned deaths, I think only 192 Greeks died in that battle in Marathon
- the Persians were disorganized in Marathon, it was easy for the Greeks to defeat them.
- in some cases (not in Marathon because it was a quick battle) the phalanx front row will swap with the other rows and move back for rest. the battles were not always as we believe "whoever kills the other first wins and it's over", some enemy phalanxes retreat, others become disorganized, a bit of skirmishes, which gives the opportunity for minor rests or tactical maneuvers etc, until they reorganize and continue the fight.
in the case of Marathon, the Greek central phalanxes were tactically weaker than the wings, they were moving backwards (like a tactical slow retreat) drawing the Persians inwards, while the wings were stronger and pushed forward, which allowed the Greeks to encircle the Persians... some ran for the beach to their ships, others who escaped got stuck in the swamps nearby - it was a massacre.
The million of Persians comes out of the calculation of the regiment the Greeks were spying on march . 100*myrioi ( myrioi for the Greeks was standard term for 10000men ) but we do not know how those regiments were formed. Example the Romans would use sub units of 80men(100*80=8000) but when you watch it from a distance you call it myrioi (10000).
In the battle of salami the spartan king did an amazing trick, when the two fleets met in open sea, he ordered the Greek oar men to oar backward, so when they met it would be in the norrow gulf of salamis!!! I think this was epic tactic, the navy of the Persians was Comercial fleet from the ionian islands, not war ships,,, so no way they would face real battle ships
I believe being in front line was not a certain death because in battle soldiers of a group formation could change places. One who was in front row could move back last in line while the one behind him would be the one on front. That was happening after a certain amount of time, or if someone was injured. The low rank officers of the time were managing that.
Phalanx warfare was a pushing contest, not block and stab. A solid wall of shields and spears pushing the enemy formation until it broke. Persian forces were lightly armed so no match in this type of fight. They had cavalry though, which could easily exploit the weakness of the phalanx: it was slow and easy to outflank. That's why in most battles the Greeks played a cat and mouse game, refusing to engage for days until the cavalry was not a threat.
There is the battle of platea, that was the biggest battle ever,,, and the death of Persian campaigns trying to invade Greece again.,
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Not so. The Athenians were armored from head to toe and covered eachotyher with interlocking sheelds. They relyed on shock attack. the Perisans had few line spearmen in three ranks and nothing but archers in the rear. The archer range was around 200 feet. So the Athenians ran toward them taking very few casualties. The Athenians also made their ranks ten men deep on the ends and only four men deep in the middle. Giving way in the center, they charged the ends and surrounded the Persians. In the end, 170 or so greeks died to 6000 persians. Armored infantry beats light infantry any day.
THIS IS A DEEP WELL!
The natives whenever they saw Herodotus approaching to gather material for the «ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΙ»: “Hey, here comes that weird Greek guy again with all the questions - quick: make up some bull$%#* story so he can write it down in his book!...
I'd watch you play Total War Rome II (where the battle scenes come from)
so with 200 men per ship, pesians had 1000ships so 200000 people only in ships. so the numbers was more tha 200000 that some historians said
U ld be surprised hoplites always took very low casualties. According to the sources in a force of 10000 people from Athens there were= +-200 casualties among the athenians. Where as the persians lost 1/3 of their force 6000 people. The grave of thise athenians is down by the road to mt home and even has their names on it.
8:56 Not reaslly, just 192 Greeks died in the battle of Marathon
2:36 you didn't ask if you can receive a letter written by Marshal Suchet or Napoleon
ofc rhe first lines was going to die....only one in history fought 314 battles in front line and succeded...alexander the great
Having watched 300 it's nice to get a bit more context and layer up your own knowledge.
yer they knew they were gonna die...but they believed by dying like this they'd go to heaven.... without a doubt... big cuts don't hurt.... because the nerves are cut
The battle of Plateaus the greatest slaughter of the Persians took place. Within one day,150 thousands Persians and the allies were slaughtered !
Ενδιαφέρον κ🙂 μπράβο για τις αναζηττ9 σου. Αν κ δεν γνωρίζω, άπταιστα, αγγλικά. Έτσι, θα προτιμούσα να το ακούσω, στη δική μου γλώσσα. Αν κ κρατώ κ από Καναδά, το αίμα μου, δε πάει, να ναι ελληνικό. Κ αυτό, με τιμά πολύ σαν Ελ. Ορθόδοξη, ψυχή.!μη ξεχνάτε ποτέ, την ψυχή σας, δε μπορεί ποτέ, κανείς, να σας τη πάρει! Μόνο, εάν, το θελήσετε, εσείς, οι ίδιοι! Θα σας πρότεινα, την περίοδο της αλωσης της Κωνσταντινούπολης 1953 από τους, Τουρκους, και ιδιαίτερα τα 400χρονξα σκλαβιάς, από τους Τούρκους, τα οποία δεν μας αλλοίωσαν ποτέ, σαν Έθνος κ θρησκεία γιατί, ή ορθόδοξη θρησκεία, είναι η μόνη, ζωντανή θρησκεία, με αμέτρητες προφητείες. Μέχρι κ για 3ο παγκ. Πόλεμο, κ μέχρι, το τέλος, του, εδώ, κόσμου. Ο άνθρωπος, από τη στιγμή, που γεννιέται, γίνεται αιώνια, αθανατος.μαζι με το σώμα του, στην Άνω Ιερουσαλήμ! Ίσως, είμαι εκτός, θέματος, αλλά, έχει, ύψιστη, σημασία. Έχουμε, ολοσωμους , Άγιους, οι οποίοι μυροβλυζουν, τα σώματά τους κ κάνουν μέχρι σήμερα, αμέτρητα, θαύματα. Στην Αριζόνα, το μοναστήρι, του Αγ. Αντωνίου, μόλις, ή ορθόδοξη εκκλησία, ανακήρυξε, κ καταταξε Άγιο μάρτυρα, κάποιον που η πολιτεία της Αριζόνα ς καταδίκασε σε θάνατο, χωρίς να έχει, πραγματικά κάνει το συγκεκριμένο, παράπτωμα. Εγραψε κ βιβλίο, ο ίδιος, ο Θανατοποινητης 40χρονια κ θα ήθελα κ εγώ πολύ νάτο διαβασω🧐
"ιδιαίτερα τα 400χρονξα σκλαβιάς, από τους Τούρκους, τα οποία δεν μας αλλοίωσαν ποτέ, σαν Έθνος κ θρησκεία"...
Εδω μιλαμε για ιστορικη αγνοια μεγατονων...
Ο Ελληνισμος με την πολιτισμικη του εννοια επαψε να υπαρχει μετα την ελευση των Χριστιανων βαρβαρων απο την ανατολη...
Το μονο που απεμεινε απο τον Ελληνισμο ηταν η γλωσσα.
Γιατι αν πιστευεις πως οι Αβρααμ οι Ισαακ και οι σαχλαμαρες του Ιουδαιοχριστιανισμου εχουν κατι κοινο με τον Ελληνισμο τοτε πραγματικα μιλαμε για αγνοια μεγατονων...
Ο Ελληνισμος εκανε 1600 χρονια για να επανελθει ως μερος της Αναγεννησης.
Σημερα ο Ελληνισμος ζει οπουδηποτε αλλου στον Δυτικο κοσμο εκτος απο το κρατος της Γραικιας.
Σημερα ο νεοελληνικος πολιτισμος στηριζεται σε δυο λεξεις Τουρκικης καταγωγης.
Μπαξισι και Ρουσφετι.
Αυτα τα ολιγα.
Συνεχισε τωρα να πιστευεις στους Αβρααμηδες τους Ισαακηδες της Σαρες και τις Μαρες...
Και μην ξεχνας να πηγαινεις στην Εκκλησια την Κυριακη της Ορθοδοξιας και να ριχνεις καταρες και αναθεματισμους προς τους "Ελληνες" και τους "Εθνικους"...
Εγινε η Εβραικη μυθολογια Ελληνικη Θρησκεια και η Ελληνικη Θρησκεια εγινε...μυθολογια...
Γι αυτο τα παμε τοσο καλα ως συγχρονο εθνος...
Τρομαρα μας...
As the years go buy, the num,ber of the Perians becomes less and less to minimize the Greek victory.
I highly recommend you to watch "Why the Persians failed to concquer Greece" and "The Spartan Myth" by Invicta. These are the best videos about Spartan myths and history on CZcams. :)
😪 I was being sarcastic yes. I’ll check out those videos thanks Panther 🙏 😇
@@McJibbin Sorry, I wrote the comment before finishing the vid. 😅 I changed it.
@@McJibbin Love your reactions btw. :D
I stopped watch it , from the moment that the video had to many facts wrong and the pronunciation of the names also wrong.