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If I may correct you MrLboyd we are one Orthodox Church but with many Ethnicities so A Greek Orthodox can go to a Serbian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Ukrainian, Russian churches and still have the same experience as they would in a Greek Orthodox church. And of course the same applies if those people from the other churches visit a Greek one.
Greek Orthodox , broadly speaking, can also have broader meaning, Orthodox-Chalcedonian Church. There were 5 patriarchates in first centuries, pne of them the one of Rome which split, and another 4 which formed the Orthodox church at the time of the ecumenical coucils. These ones can be referred to as Chalchedonian.
Same same, but different in some very technical aspects. You are 100% correct, but had to add to what you said. Hope it's not a problem:)
Not exactly.
Not only "Greeks" can be "Greek-Orthodox".
"Greek" stands for the leturgy text they use.
If the prays and the leturgy is performed with the original language of the Godspell (wich is Greek) than its "Greek Orthodox".
Other Orthodox Churces use their translated text to perform their leturgies.
So "Greek Orthodox" can claim for its self that they keep the original languange (and the original meaning) of the holy scrip.
Also in Africa they have Orthodox churches.
Greek orthodox is not same as Serbian orthodox, 2 different things, Yes we share the majority of customs but there are differences and we Serbs were never part of greek orthodoxy, we were always only Serbian orhtodox church.
they pray 24/7 for every soul on earth .......they pray for us
Not only Greek Orthodox Christianity, but Eastern Orthodox Christianity, meaning besides Greek, there are also Russian, Romanian, Serbian and Bulgarian monasteries or monastic communities.
Greek Orthodox Church and Eastern Orthodox Church is same
@@athenarockabilly6245 yes and no. It's oversimplification because it ignores the other great sees which existed at the beginning. Jerusalem, Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, and later Constantinople. When Rome separated themselves from unity at the time of the great schism Greece was under the Pope, it was then transferred to Constantinople. Later it became autocephelas (self ruling). And don't ignore Russia, the 3rd Rome.
It's like calling Pascha greek Easter, it isn't because Russia and all the Slavic, Northern Africa, and Antioch along with others celebrate it on the same day.
No it's not.
You have to do your liturgy in the original Greek text in order to be "Greek" orthodox.
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@@athenarockabilly6245 no is not, the Byzantine Empire was Roman not Greek..... but the faith is the same.
Stop trying to educate a Greek on my culture religion or history because you think you are intelligent and educated you are not the Greeks taught you so sit down@@Iori955
meteora is another place of monasteries that is very worth seeing in greece. it's in the middle of a huge valley between mountains, farm fields for miles in every direction, then out of nowhere there are giant stone spires in a clump, many with ancient monasteries built on top of them. it's wild. went there in 2000 when i was 16. will never forget it.
I had a horrible experience at Meteora of a group of people taking videos and laughing at the chandelier and other stuff . I was furious that these ppl came so far just to laugh at something so sacred. But then againonly ,God can laugh and judge the wicked not us. May He forgive them
I went to meteora this year absolutely stunningly beautiful the mountains are a UNESCO heritage site and are prehistoric there is also a cave which has the oldest man-made structure on earth it's a door 23 thousand years old I believe
@@fayHoranBecause Meteora has turned into tourist attraction, at least some of the monasteries while othrs are locked to visitors. Till recently there were no stairs and only rooes with buckets so people could not go if not very focused and devoted.
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There is a saying that as Orthodox you should visit Holy mountain at least twice - with your father and with your son. Did it both on a one day visit. What struck me the most is the silence and out-of-the-world serenity. And a constant feeling that I am (or we are all) bothering those monks. They pray for us anyways.
Btw. there is a legend that only women who ever visited Mt. Athos was Serbian empress Jelena (Helen) in 14. century.
And an other woman that disguised herself as a man and entered
There were a lot of women who went to mount Athos, if we exclude the one that dressed as a man and other political figures, mount Athos has hidden a lot of female Jews during WW2.
Contrary to what people might think, the monks are not sexist or anything, the no women thing happens for the sole reason that the holy site even exists, it is because it is dedicated to virgin Mary, and that should be the only female inside the monasteries and in the mind of the monks there at any point, this is what these people have dedicated their lives for and that is why they keep it this way, yes they even strive to have only male animals too like donkeys, dogs etc, no female animals.
Of course they are not monsters that is why they helped the Jews no matter their sex.
Half of the Orthodox Churches in the United States speak English.
My Parish in Colorado is young and multiethnic. The parish is very involved with charities in our area.
Check out The Fellowship of Saint Moses the Black (an Ancient Saint from Ethiopia who was a Monk in Egypt). There’s a movie being made about him.
The Fellowship is 30 years old with chapters around the Country.
There are 100 monasteries in the USA. Most have accommodations for visitors (arranged ahead). I visit St. Paisius in Arizona. Men, women and children are welcome (no tv or cellphones).
This is a sweet way of life.
intercession is key, God bless these men for not letting the worlds way impact or try and change them. Without doubt the best 21 minutes spent on YT.
It's Orthodox. It happens to in Greece but its not Greek because it supercedes ethnicity.
In a way yes. but in a way no. Athos is simply the core of Orthodoxy, which is what has truly been at the core Of Byzantium, which was dominantly Greek, Greek culture, Greek language. Especially after the great Schizm. And it's no wonder Athos lies in Greece.
@@Ptolemy336VV Russian, Serbian, Antiochian and others all have monasteries there. Yes it is under the purview of the Constantinople patriarch but multiple jurisdictions have monasteries and sketes there. Saying it's Greek is an oversimplification. The new Testament scriptures are in Greek as is the septuagent, but Christianity especially Eastern orthodoxy are not one ethnicity
Yeah, they avoid calling themselves Greeks, Serbs, Rus, Ukr...just Greek speaking, Serb speaking ect. To be as one.
Yes my friend but even this Greeks Byzantines spread the Orthodoxy to this people (Slavs)
@@billybenson3834 well it's greek , eastern roman empire was greek, Greeks spread the orthodox in ukraine , bulgaria, serbia, russia, roman. Stop crying
thnx for loving the chants still to this day in Syria we pray in Aramaic and Syriac.🙏
Not only Greek Orthodox, there are Bulgarian Serbian, Russian monasteries on Mount Athos. Not only Greek.
yes of course but the dogma it's Hellenikorthodoxy you know we have two dogmas in the Christian's world first Hellenikorthodox and Roman'scatholics .
Yes, but the true and original is the Greek Orthodox, the rest are off branches that of Slavs who got proselytized at a much later time and by the Greek Byzantines.Even many of your first names are Greek .Learn your history .
@reitsound3941 We have all kinds of names, Bible names, Slavic, Western Greek. Only more traditional people use predominantly Greek names and the only reason for that is because they name their kids after Christian Saints (not Greeks themselves, no one cares).
As someone who was raised Greek Orthodox and always been curious about Mount Athos. Probably a big part of it is because I can never go there. I would say though if you really wanted to see a beautiful service go the midnight mass of Easter. I'm not even religious anymore and I still try to go then because it's amazing
While Mt. Athos is off limits to you, there are many holy places, just as old and magnificent that are open to women. Like Saint Catherine's on Mt. Sinai in Egypt.
Yes it is an amazing atmoshpere. The Problem is that everyone rushes home after the announcement of the resurrection and hurry to eat..
I’m so not religious but I will always respect their traditions!!
it’s not a tradition , neither a culture or a religious thing , it’s a way of life
Idk...
If I were the denied father, I would be sad to not be able to see and speak in person one last time...
To HUG goodbye...
But, at the same time....
Overwhelmed with pride at the level of commitment, devotion, and unwaivering resolve in my son.
For him to have left in order to fulfill a request that equal mere moments, would be to betray and dismiss a whole lifetime of who he is.
Bitersweet situation for sure. It's one of the rare moments in life that even in philosophical terms it's difficult!
These monks are truly paragons of health due to their lifestyle choices (especially not having to deal with the time-wasting distractions that are women), healthy eating and sleep habits, and most importantly, their devotion to God.
men cause a lot of distractoions as well
All Orthodox are Orthodox. Greek Orthodoxy is based on geography. It's no different than the other branches of Orthodoxy in practice or theology.
it is not based on geography, but on the antiquity of Greek Christianity that made all other orthodox Christians
@@johngerles842Antioch was where the first Christians were identified as such, and Lebanon was the first Christian country.
@@billybenson3834 All the gospels were written in Greek and Antioch, as its name says, was a Greek city and Lebanon belonged to Greece. Where is the problem? Even today there areGreeks in Antioch and in Lebanon. Greek was then the world language, as English is now. For the Slavs we created the so called Cyrillic Alphabet so they could have a written language and then we made them Orthodox Christians
The word "orthodoxy" means "correct doctrine" in the Greek language. The term "Greek Orthodox Church" means "correct doctrine according to the Greeks" and characterizes any self-proclaimed Orthodox church and not only the Greek.
Likewise, the term "Roman Catholic Church" characterizes every "Catholic" Church, not only the Italian.
Jesus said "If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters-even more than your own life!
1000 years ago during its inception it was referred to as the Orthodoxy Church, not "Greek Orthodox".
Re: The Great Schism
The persistence of the news crew in getting permission to film reminded me of the parable of the persistent widdow in Luke 18:1-8.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video. I am eastern greek orthodox. And I serve my church every . Side by side my priest friend father samson. Even though I have always been interested in monastic life style. I am serving my church at the moment. I did 5 years of my strict vows and love it. Only serving my lord. So I guess my lord wants me at my church for now. Less distractions at the monastery. Thank you for the video. God bless all Christian. ❤🙏
Believe it or not the Greek Orthodox religion is a very free religion. Nothing is forced to believers no obligation is upon them to live a certain way of life, nothing mandatory like going to church,or fasting. Only the monks in mount Athos or Meteora live a life like this.
Regards from Athens
Which is logical because God wants us to choose to serve Him out of our own free will.
Very well said our Orthodox Church is free will unlike the Roman Catholic which dictates
Well, dear soul, it is not as you say. Of course, we are gifted with free will, but. ....no obligation....nothing mandatory...? I understand the essence in what you are saying. However, there are true obligations and mandatory behaviors to being an Orthodox Christian. To write otherwise is deceptive.
@@michealgabriel6561 I am a Christian orthodox and i know what i am talking about. I go to church every Easter only noone will ever question me or make me do a obligatory hing! I try to be a good, caring,helping person in my life as Jesus tought us. I have never fast as my parents do but it is a completely individual thing,if you feel like fasting you do,if you don't it is ok and accepted by others.
@@michealgabriel6561 I think he just means to distinguish from something like Catholicism in which there are "days of obligation", or services which if you miss, you are considered to have transgressed merely by not being there.
Your knowledge is absolutely commendable! Thank you for sharing your video!
I've been there, and good luck getting in. You can't just show up like some tourism, you basically need an invitation to stay at a monastery. You eat once a day. Eating time is exactly 5 minutes and then they ring a bell. No one talks during eating. It's like another world gone back in time and it's a crazy experience.
While I know it is fashionable to point fingers about men only spaces, I would like to point out Eastern Orthodoxy has women only spaces as well, were men are not allowed to go*.
* The caveat being the bishop may be required to go for administrative purposes, and a priest will perform a Service for them regularly for communion. This is the same in Mt. Athos. They aren't there to sight see which women can kinda do there.
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Free on CZcams? Can i get the link?
It’s not called Northern Greece. The region has a name: Chalkidiki in Macedonia in Greece
Im sorry for the loss of your friend. May his memory be eternal.
You've been to Mount Athos? WOW! I'm a Greek Orthodox female, but you are blessed (beyond my comprehension, because I always thought you are). Come back to Greece. BTW, that rock was thrown by Athos from my island in the Aegean sea. Would love to meet you. May your friend's memory be eternal.
13:41. This monk understood that Jesus meant what he said in Matthew 10:37.
The most intelligent reactor I've seen. Respect Sir
Intelligent yes, mistaken, also yes, but at least most of all respectful.
To all people claiming it is not Greek Orthodox: Remember or be aware that Mt Athos falls under the jurisdiction of the Greek Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. That says it all, as well as it is located in Greece of course. Not as an autonomous region, but a self governed one in the Greek territory
19:20 my man feeling something
Women can travel around Mt. Athos with a boat from Ouranoupolis and watch the monasteries from a distance of 500m.
I quote from '' Hebrew is Greek '' by Josef Yahuda page 8 ''II. That the Hebrews were Asiatic Greeks- αβροί and ηπειρώται , probably the KHARIBU and HEPIRU of Syrian and Egyptian annals-and that their language was Continental Greek '' For more download the until recently banned book.
I can absolutely respect the devotion. 💯 But somewhere in my bent mind, this comes across as the most severe account of disassociation.
Being in a monastery is to be cut away from the world.
Stil thats not the case at all, Mt Athos is a society on its own, you can find anything there, the good, the bad, the ugly and the holy, also you will find what you seek thats for sure, whatever it is. I met a monk, I asked him a question for someone else's problem and he answered it as if he was inside that man's family lookin at the problem, when I told to the man what the moink said, he just said: ''how could it be possible for him to know ?''
may not get the IP hits as Ho's and Bro's resisting arrest but love this type of content
Go!! If you are wondeing about life, soul, afterlife go !! You will see and learn the truth
Athos is for all Orthodox, not just Greek. There is a Russian monastery on the mountain. There are monks from all over the world of every Orthodox jurisdiction on the mountain.
Haha that's a dope thumbnail I was like wait what?? 😂
No, it's not just " Greek Orthodox" , but just Orthodox. I'm Orthodox and I fully agree with @rasvahn9748 comment. I'm greek, but I'm also welcomed to all other Orthodox churches and the Divine Liturgy is the same all over. It's just the language which is different.
I can understand every step of the service even if I don't understand the language. The chants are common, the readings of the Bible common. The only thing that I would not be able to understand is the sermon of the priest at the end. Otherwise, the liturgies are the same everywhere.
Now, "Greek Orthodox" or " Serbian Orthodox" or " Russian Orthodox" etc are only because of their hierarchy. Because of the administration of each Church, which is independant. But the dogma, the rites, the way of living are all the same.
We are one Church. In my greek parish, we have Orthodox people from other churches attending to it ( serbs, russians, letonian, romanian etc... and many times the liturgy is shared in more than one languages.
In Mount Athos , among the 22 Monasteries, there are also a Romanian, a Russian, a Georgian, a Serbian etc... It's not only " Greek Orthodox"
I want to die on Athos, what an absolute honor that would be. I grew up Greek then as an adult in Canada went to OCA and ROCOR, My Fav Family goes to an Antiochian Church in Dallas. He may have let his father down But the Father knows his heart.
I can somewhat understand isolation in pursuit of peace, tranquility and an undisturbed lifestyle of doing what you want that doesn't necessarily involve anybody else... Can't wrap my head around making all those sacrifices just to live a lifestyle dictated by someone else, though. Theology sure is an odd thing.
well, maybe because everything you perceive as good today Jesus did 10 times better, in times where you probably would act as an animal. you just take ethics for granted.
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Presuming those stories are accurate, what I would be like in those days and what my ethics even are if they're to be taken for granted. 🤷♂
@@h3artl3sspr0ducti0ns you can try to debunk them if you like. You will be the richest person ever. You are correct granted is not the correct word. You take ethics as default.
Right, this is a good point. That is so because you are used with a completely different worldview. For them obedience is the key to ultimate freedom. But obedience mult not be random to become fruitful.
Dictated by who? There is no dictation, the choice is there to live however you want, they CHOOSE to dedicate themselves like this
Theres a saying that Mt Athos is the rooftop of Earth holding God’s Wrath of Humanity….if they wasn’t for them praying for us every minute we would be long gone…❤
As a Greek Orthodox Christian born and living outside of Greece, I have not had the opportunity to visit this beautiful place. One part of the explanation of why females are not allowed at Mount Athos is as follows "Orthodox Christians believe that, after the death of Jesus, the Virgin Mary (known as Theotokos, or Mother of God) sailed to Cyprus, but was blown off course and landed on Athos. She instantly embraced the spectacular landscape of the mountain and its surrounding beaches, praying to her son that the land could be hers." Also just clearing up one of the comments you said during the video, their are not only Greek Orthodox Christians on the Mountain - although they are in the majority - but also Russian, Bulgarian, Romanian and Serbian monasteries scattered around the Mountain.
@MrLboyd Reacts
What do you think of Russian Classical? It is based off of Russian Orthodox music which is a derivative of Greek Orthodox music.
There is a whole technology branch to Greek chant, and when the Orthodox went to Rus and created their language there, they had the issue of trying to sing the familiar meanings in the chants, but of course the words and syllables didn't match up, so over the course of hundreds of years they invented something that would match up to the Church language. (There were lots of languages being spoken when Orthodoxy came, so they created a common language that is still spoken in the Russian Orthodox Church today.)
Also, I get the impression you are maybe unaware that these are all the same Church, they are just Jurisdictions. So the Antioch, Greek and several others are all in communion with each other, unlike the Roman Catholic Church.
They get referred to as the Eastern Orthodox Church and are the second largest group of Christians, after Roman Catholics, in the world.
Ακριβώς, μπράβο για την πλήρη απαντηση!
Byzantine Chant is the true Orthodox Chant. Russian Classical came from Western influence when Tzar Peter brought composers from Germany and Italy to compose music. In Church Slavonic they had no problem chanting Byzantine (Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, etc). Even in Russia they had Znamenny chant which comes directly from Byzantine Chant and captures the same spirit and flow. At Valaam Monastery they still maintain ancient Znamenny and Byzantine Chant. God willing all of Russia will return to Znamenny and Byzantine chant.
@@NoeticInsightSlavonic Chant is just as good as Byzantine. There’s been other forms of chant (Syriac, Western, Gregorian) and they were Orthodox at one point.
I was blessed to have visited the holy mountain twice.
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Not just Greek Orthodox but Russians, Serbian, Georgians and others. Even after the Great Schism of 1054 the Latins still maintained a monastery there.
The thing you said about the chanting.
I'm Greek and I was born and raised in the Greek orthodox church.
While it's very captivating and mesmerizing it's also very sad.
Greek orthodox chants are always melancholic and sad even if its to celebrate the resurrection which is obviously a happy event.
The chants do sound similar because they're always melancholic.
Not all, there are many who are not just celebratory but triumphant as well ! Also the wordpower of the Chanting books should be studied in universities. It's just unparalleled on how multisynthetic the words are..
@@Razamaniac True but still it always kind of made me feel sad even if the contex was different. Other times it made me feel extremely emotional. I remember even crying once. Its definitely different than many other religions.
Είσαι πολύ λάθος. Άκου τους πολυέλεους. Αν νομίζεις ή νιώθεις "θλιψη" με τις ορθοδοξες ψαλμωδία, τότε πρέπει μάλλον να αναρωτηθεις εσύ γιατί συμβαίνει αυτό.
Not Greek Orthodox. All canonical Orthodoxy. There is Russian monestary, Serbian, Bulgarian Georgian, and others I believe. Although Greek Orthodox term can be broader in meaning, so that it encompassed all of those.
I was an Atheist when I was younger but later in life a became a Evangelical Christian and after a long time I was loosing my faith slowly and Eastern Orthodox Christianity put me on a solid ground.
Orthodoxy is One and includes millions of believers all over the world, but because there were large number of Greeks in it who served many churches,the average American identifies Greek Churche of Orthodoxy with the Orthodoxy.
I was raised Greek Orthodox and while I can see the monk's POV around ~13:40 ...yeah, he should have gone see his father.
I think it is important to know that we watch this from our perspectives and there you can see why we would think that the monk let his father down but i think that his father also knew what his son chose and i dont think that there were a feeling of let down or other ill feelings
The Mother of God can visit whenever she likes. It's her garden.
He obviously DIDN'T FAIL DOWN his parent. There are direct commands in the Gospel about what following Christ means even to ones relation with his family. His father was returning to his Creator. Why a monk would grieve and leave prayer for sth he knows is only but a brief seperation as he should soon (a man's life is mere decades) join him and when the best thing someone can do for the souls of his loved ones is incessant praying for them.
I get what you are saying about he let his dad down, but that's an ordinary person's selfish reaction. These Monks are holy. They strive day and night to serve God and pray for all people. This drive bears spiritual gifts of Grace. I'm sure his father experienced his tears and love and happiness that one day he'll be with his son in eternity. There are stories of Monks while still alive appearing in places where they were needed. Like some hospital or accident that happened, healing a person who might otherwise be dead.
The most savage part of this video is that it closes with the cross on top of the cresent moon....
But the crescent moon has nothing to do with Islam, the Ottoman adopted the flag and symbol when the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, It's a symbol of the Greek goddess Artemis.
@@gypana hehe nope i have been in Mt Athos i am Greek Orthodox the priests will tell you that it symbolises dominance over islam particularly the day we take Constantinople back from barbarians
De Apostolarum Parentibus : The mothers Cheerothia mother of Matthew, Echoa of Thomas , Hierokleia of James and John , Joanna of Peter and Andrew , Kamia of Simon the Canaanite , Lysia sister of Thomas , Urania of Bartholomew , Selini of Thaddeus , Sophia mother of Philip , ki etera The dadies Andron father of James, son of Alphaeus, Diaphanes father of Thomas Euthychia of James, son of Alphaeus, Kallion of Simon the Canaanite , Necrophanes of Thaddaeus, Philisaneios of Philip , Rukos of Matthew , Sosthenes of Bartholomew Zeno of Simon the Zealot
You never fail to surprise me!
*****I definitely agree with you that he let his father down.
what u seeing over there is the only TRUTH
💞Wow💛💗💗💗💗💗💛
Those guys go straight to God they don't have to reincarnate again and again
That's real love❤ 24\7 thinking of God. Hare Krishna
There are videos online made by laymen who visit.
Yes, mouth Athos is Greek! It is the "Orthodox Vatican"
Both black pepper and hot sauce are healthy foods. Salt is needed in moderation.
"its unique in the world and in the Orthodox church." Not greek orthodox, just Orthodox. Orthodox does not known boundaries of countries. It is same in every country.
Is for all orthodox not only Greek and remember the religion is GREEKORTHODOX not just orthodox it’s the first Church that was established all orthodox are Greek Orthodox Christians
I think that is some Greek we are the first thing. I am Serbian and we love Greece and Greeks but I've never heard that anyone in Serbian church calls Orthodoxy Greekorthodxy
@@draganmarkovic491 no one does yet it’s Greek Orthodox , all orthodox got the religion from the Churches the apostles founded in east Europe and Middle East it’s the first Orthodox Church ⛪️ and it was in east Roman Empire the Greek 🇬🇷 empire with the patriarch in Constantinople.. Serbs Bulgarians Russians Romanian Ethiopian etc etc all got it from the Greeks the first Christian that was ever baptized in Europe was a woman named Lydia from apostle Paul himself, Kyrilos and Methodios were 2 Greek Orthodox Christians etc etc the main ranch of Orthodoxy is the one called GreekOrthodox the ecumenical Patriarch is still in Constantinople …
@@200pumb But the Orthodox church wasnt founded when the schism happened. The founder of our church is Jesus and the apostols and as far as I know none of them was Greek... But even if the first orthodox church was completly and only Greek I think it's a silly argument. It would be like giving prefix German to every printing machine because Johan Gutenberg invented the first printing machine...
@@draganmarkovic491 I’m saying what it’s called , even the name orthodox = ορθή δόξα = the right glory in Greek 😂. This is how it was called it’s not an argument.. orthodoxy is the one and only real church ⛪️ that stayed as it was for over 1500 years and making the mysteries and the teaching of the apostles as it was word by word all others are heretics .
@@draganmarkovic491 also Jesus renamed some of the students in Greek ( like Peter ) and all the apostolic teachings and evangelical books 📚 are in Greek , all the orthodox prayers and holy books had to be translated from Greek to the other languages, all the letters the Apostoloes wrote were in Greek , Greece and Orthodoxy = 1 you can’t have one without the other …
"Greek" Orthodox only differentiates the Greek speaking Roman Empire from the Latin speaking Roman Empire. Its just the eastern orthodox church, not a national church.
Even the word orthodox is Greek my friend...
The greek tradition and umbrella under this aspect of the Church long predates any national greek ethnicity. As far as the Pentarchy goes all the monasteries on the Holy Mountain spawn from the Greek tradition.
@14:00 If their way is the only way to paradise, his father won't be there.
it is still the normal Christian belief of how to get to heaven, they just choose to devote their entire life to worshipping, without any other distractions.
It is not the only way and they don't claim that. It is just their way. If was that so why Jesus saved the man who was crucified at his right? This man was saved at the last minute without any of these. Do you think that these monks don't know the scripts? They certainly know.
you have to be orthodox to go to mt athos
No, you can go there even if you are not Orthodox. Non-Orthodox, however, are not allowed to enter into the main area during Divine Liturgy. They stay at a the narthex
Just don't have a vagina, and you're good to go...
Not at all. The only qualification you need in order to be allowed to cross the borderline to Athos, is to be a male.
@@theo9952 you can not stay in a monastery you need to be orthodox
thats the truth and you all dont like it,our father and mother and relatives if we are in Christ we going to see them in paradise one day!thats a fact,not a belief and every human must carried his cross...thats another fact too...
It would be nice if commentators would do a minimum amount of reading on the topic of Orthodoxy before making a presentation. It isn't hard. Try Kallistos Ware's The Orthodox Church, a beautiful read an very concises. This is pretty much the blind leading the blind.
Unfortunately, brother, what you did not understand, that monk did not betray his father. He did a greater good by praying for his father day and night and thereby obtained greater salvation for his father's soul and for himself because prayers multiply and God rewards a hundred times more. That is why the modern world does not understand what it means to be Orthodox. I wish you all to come to that realization one day, as it is written in the gospel: " Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross, and follow me. Because whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; and whoever loses his soul for the sake of me and the gospel will save it". Luke 9:59 And he said to another: follow me. And he said: Lord! let me go first to bury my father. Luke 9:60 And Jesus said to him: let the dead bury their dead; and you, come and proclaim the kingdom of God.
Orthodoxy is living the word of Christ, not just talking about it. I wish you all the best from God ☦️ 😊
That's a bit different from what David did in attempting to win God's heart.
What did he do? He killed his children, had 800 wives, stole the wives from his officers and then allegedly repented and wrote psalms
@johngerles842 That crazy dance he did when he brought the arc of the covenant back to the homeland. His wife didn't approve it because he was king. Although he knew compared to god he was a dirt.
IT NT GREEK ORHODOX.. IS ORTHODX CHRISTIANITY LIKE IN RUSSINA, SERBIA ,ROMANIA, BULGARIA AND ALL ORTHODOX COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD
ALL orthodox christianity ☦️
No Funeral for his father? HE didn't go? that is not Catholic to me. At all. sorry.
Isn't it known now that repetitive chants can create a euphoric state? Makes sense that they feel like they've touched god if they are in a peaceful place, with a constant state of euphoria. Has some cultish elements too, though it's not actively harming anyone, including those involved, so I don't mind it so much. His father probably mourned the loss of his son a long time before his death, if he knew anything about how the monastery functioned.
The repetitive prayers are actually designed to not evoke an emotional response. The Church actually banned harmony in chanting for centuries exactly because it could induce an emotional response, and they felt that distracted you from true closeness with God, as I understand it.
@@Pcytripper interesting
@@jamesweible5357the modern world with all these ideologies makes us think that orthodoxy is a fairy tale and untrue. But the more you look sincerely into history, the more you begin to gain a new perspective
@@DenierOfFate Yeah, looking into the history, I realized it's not just untrue, it's specifically designed to draw in as many people as possible, a colonization method.
christianity was the first true new age religion, picking bits and pieces of whatever they thought would work best for the most people.
@@jamesweible5357 How is a colonization method and how did you get the assumption that Christianity's beliefs and doctrines are made of pieces and parts of other religions and philosophies?
Υes, " even family" Remember ? Jesus said in Matthew 10:37
“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Difficult and rare, but monks chose to do that. And of course renounce everything of the world. No wealth, nothing :)
The devotion is respectable, but in something like this, what if you are wrong, spend your life living in an ancient way, then die and end up nowhere like everyone else? To me, that would be a tragic waste of life, and misguidance, I mean if this makes em happy, cool, but if they are giving up everything for something false, its just sad.
I refound the truth after being agnostic recently. There is something miraculous about meekness and true intention of findind Christ. All these modern ideologies twisted the entire world. About this speaks fr Seraphim Rose in the book "Orthodox Survival Course". It helped me much. The more you look into orthodoxy, the more you find yourself discovering something that you lack, something that this world will never give you. All this that we see is in vain.
I totally agree with you. I was born Orthodox, but not anymore. I consider it that they lead a life very poor in experiences that offer very little to the ascent and evolution of the soul. And I think they are living in the lie that they themselves have created over the centuries trying to create theology from what they understood from Greek philosophy
@@johngerles842the orthodox Christian theology isn't derived from ancient greek philosophy
@@LSSD1292 Do you know the old Greek Philosophy?
@@johngerles842 i do and my point still stands. Eastern Orthodox and in general Christian theology doesn't derive from ancient greek philosophy, maybe some inspiration exists but it's minimum. Plato, Aristotle, Epictetus, Socrates, Xeno and all the other great philosophers of my ancient ancestors are not similar to the church fathers like Augustine,Irenaeus, John the Chrysostom,Saint Basil the Great. I recommend you to watch orthodox Christian channels on CZcams to get a clear understanding of our theology
What use is life, if you only pray all day. Life is a gift, it's here and now. They could help homeless, or help when there are fires.
But at the Pireaus harbor it's volunteers giving food to the homeless. Never the church.
My wife is Greek, and I see the power and money of the Church. It's absolute. Broken down villages, but shiny painted churches.
When we married, the Orthodox priest wanted €80 on top of the regular bill, because I am Catholic.
There are villagers with a huge hole in the roof, but instead of fixing that, they give money to the church. And the priests just take the money, they won't even help fixing lives. They are afraid of God, that's not love. This is what I saw, past 12 years.
You can't understand how their way of life and the work they do there helps this miserable world we live in. Also, the orthodox church does charity in their respective country, but you won't find any "breaking news" on that. And it is true there is a lot of evil in the institution of the church, because it is run by man. Don't confuse the institution with THE Church.
Prayer is oxygen of the soul,so if you pray all day you actually breathe spiritually.imagine if you spent a day breathing and someone told you,hey what's the use of breathing!Now regarding the fires ,apart from the fact that some monks and priests DO help ,prayer is also even better help since when the righteous ask from God something,He gives it to them.
There are plenty of monks/priests who do help the people, even giving their (often few) possessions to the needy. Prayer is the most important thing a human can do in life. That being said priests are humans and sinners just like the rest of us, i am Orthodox as well and have had good and terrible experiences like you have. But it has only deepened my faith in God, and my dedication to Him and the Church. Why? Because i understand that my faith does not rely on a couple "rotten eggs" aka bad clergy but on the Lord and the foundations given by Him through the Apostles and One, True and Holy Church.
If you search youtube , you can find channels with Greek monks cooking. Great healthy and super tasty recipes.
Did Jesus tell them to always pray
Yes. Search for it.
@@MACMISIAS pray a lot yes but not all the time because he said praying for the same thing over and over again, don't do it
People need to read the Bible but listen to more of what Jesus said than his disciples
Lots of contradictions that Bible scholars says are not there
@@Saiyanjohn415 1 Thessalonians 5:17
Times have changed the last 2 decades tho, monks turned it in to a really profitable business and make shit ton of money out of the religious tourism.
As a Christian, this is definitely a Catholic thing. So weird to have all these places considering the bible says not to make idols of anything. But that's another long debate. lol. Also, never heard of this.
This is definitely not a Catholic thing. It is Orthodox.
They're not even catholics proddie ⲇυⲙⲃⲁςς 🤦
Their idol is God, prottie
That's an orthodox thing mate. Orthodox church pre-existing hundreds of years before the catholic. Better be careful with your informations
Tipical protestant moment. literally, everything that doesn't look Protestant is Roman Catholic. Plz inform yourself about Orthodoxy. And no, those icons are not idols. Cmon man, you sound like those crazy Muslims who were destroying every painting way back in the 7th and 8th centuries. Research the 7th ecumenical council in Nicaea in the year 787. The whole council was about defending the use of icons against the iconoclast and Muslims. As you can see Orthodoxy triumphed over the heresy of iconoclasm. Read the writings of the main defenders of icons Saint John of Damascus and Saint Theodore of Studios. Icons are not idolatry neither do we worship them.
The bible tells me Not to say repetitive prayer. The Lord's prayer is supposed to be an example of How to pray, Not what to pray. That birng said I'm an athiest.
😂 you should join the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We welcome people from all backgrounds. I was an atheist too until i found the Church of FSM.
The bible also says to pray unceasingly. So what is the prayer they are praying? Lord forgive me a sinner. This is not the prayer Jesus was talking about. This is a constant reminder to ourselves to be humble before the Lord.
Its not about fulfilling worldly desires, it is about coming closer to God.
The intent is different.