How Unfair Is Spotify's Controversial New Plan?!
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2023
- Spotify have launched a new controversial scheme called "Discovery Mode" - at first glance it just looks like another way to exploit artists. What do you think?
Source: www.billboard.com/pro/spotify...
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So what do you think? If you barely earn anything from their royalties, is taking a cut for exposure worth it?
People die from exposure!
Don't Spo***y earn enough already?🤬 Definitely, greed is the root of all evil.
Alternatives are emerging. For instance, "Justifay" (the name surely is derived from Justice) is a non-profit iniciative that is trying to create a new streaming platform with an ethical distribution of royalties.
Precariousness is going too far, so the fans, the artists and the label records should boost a paradigm shift💪🤘👍
No. Spotify and iTunes need to get more money to artists. The only way to stop these streaming is big artists to boycott those platforms.
I bet the first cut won't be the deepest. Cheers Justin!
They pay bugger all for a normal stream let alone reducing royalties. It’s ok for the likes of Taylor Swift etc but not the lesser known artists. Spotify should pay artists a better rate in the first place.
It’s like when you pay extra for ‘speedy boarding’ on an airplane, and then realise everyone has paid for it 😂
Lol
😂 true! Speedy boarding is the biggest waste of money anyway, you all have assigned seats, you're just getting there a bit quicker, so what? It often comes with legroom seats now too, but they make you pay a fortune for it. No thanks
So no one needed to pay anything more, funny that
I didn't know it was possible to have 'a lower royalty rate' than Spotify's, but somehow they've managed it!
It's just a question of time before artists are paying Spotify to feature their music.
I watched a buskers channel and he said that he made £150.00 on a good day and that it would take him 50 million streams on spotify to get the same amount of money. I just find that a mind boggling rip off. Now they want to pay less!!? Also musicians get asked to play for free all the time "for exposure". How the hell are any artists going to make money?
Im not a musician,but I am a visual artist. This reminds me of when people want to commission me for work and then say that they’ll pay me in “exposure” which is absolute bs. It sucks to see artists in music being handed these types of conditions by multimillion dollar companies.
Artists in any medium always get handed the short end of the stick.
People have genuinely told you they'll pay you in exposure?
I put your name out there to my Mom and dog..
Ah, those wonderful exposure bucks. 🖕🏼
I recognize this... Or, "you love doing this anyway, right?" 😑
I once designed a label for a company selling honey. They paid me, which was fine... I asked for a jar of honey... they said no...
Thanks for writing about this. I was contacted by a distributor/label looking to license my catalog in exchange for an advance and for them promoting it via Discovery Mode. I had no idea Discovery Mode was something available to me nor did I know that I lowered the royalty rate per stream. It’s extremely cool of you to speak on this issue so us indie cats out here fighting through it can be more informed. Huge respect Mr. Hawkins!!
I usually hate clickbaits but your style of connecting sensational and vulgar video titles with hilariously opposite thoughtful, constructive and uplifting content has earned you a new subscriber. At least this "discovery mode" works.
Spotify is already at the bottom end of payout for artists. This is just another tactic to pay less to musicians so they can pay more to shareholders and the CEO.
Rogan gets paid in exposure, I'm sure.
I got paid out over A$1500 last year from Spotify compared to about A$250 from Apple (and practically nothing from anyone else). This was thanks mostly to Spotify's Discovery Algorithms (Discover Weekly, Radio & Release Radar) which most other platforms don't have. Discovery mode probably won't make a huge impact - if everyone jumps on board then ultimately it won't be worthwhile and artists will just opt out. I've tried it this month and seen some uplift but nothing crazy. Like Jusin said just write a good song - it really depends on the song and listener engagement - if a song isn't getting a response, it won't be pushed out to people.
Spotify reported losses of $430M in 2022
What are the numbers you're referencing here @fromquake? Are you saying that Spotify pays less per single stream?
I don’t subscribe to Spotify. I’m obviously still old school. I buy the music I like. Be it digital or what have you. My favourites I go on and usually buy a physical copy. Simply for the reason if I like them. I support them because I want more from them.
Then I still actually talk to people to find new music. Thus creating conversations and connections which nowadays is sadly lost to our phone dependence. Thanks to this channel I found out about The Chats. Now someone reading this might check them out etc… cheers,
personally i’ve used spotify for years but i never ever use discovery features, i find new music by searching for it on my own terms or by looking in playlists made by other users, not spotify. i remember noel gallagher in an interview saying he doesn’t like spotify because of the constant recommendations, i definitely see this point of view so i agree with what u say that it should be curated. i also think the threshold idea is fair
Same.
And then it doesn't even recommend stuff that I am into like Wetleg. Found out about them from youtube, just surfing around.
I used this fuction a lot since I do both: Searching for music on my own but also using discovery mode. Found some really goof music like that. :)
I still buy physical CDs and convert them to mp3. No way I will give any money to Spotify.
If an artist has their stuff on Bandcamp I'll buy it straight from them in FLAC and mp3 for on the go.
Im also a CD buyer... and I have a CD player which I prefer. Ill burn the CD so I can listen on my phone as well but will use the CD player (or my record player if I have the vinyl) if I am at home
I did the same up until recently. I have to share, collaborate, and listen intently to playlists with band mates in 2 different bands, and Spotify is currently the best way to do that. It sucks though. I tried to hold off as long as possible, but it’s the only way to keep up with everyone else. When everyone else migrates to a new platform it will eventually force you to move over w them. The sheep always drag everyone down with them.
Vinyl for me! Vinyl and Tidal... And Bandcamp.
Me too... But I rip to FLAC. I do get the feeling sellers are ripping us off on physical media. I paid £38 for a Tool, Fear Innoculum Expanded Book Edition CD.
I hate the fact that my band NEEDS to be on Spotify, but it's where the bulk of people get their music now...I think the last time I got paid we'd had a good few thousand streams this year, made about 5€. Between six band members, having paid well into four figures to record the songs 'well'.
We've made more selling CDs, which we've literally made as one-offs for people who wanted them.
Bands are only as good as the drugs you can take in the club. That's why Crue were awesome. Cocaine, Women, and Jack Daniels.
Your band NEEDS to be playing rock'n'roll. That's all you NEED to be,🤘
Nice take. Exposure is key. I take issue with how spotify spins it as a 'favor' to new artists, when, clearly, it's business decision designed to increase their own profits.
I feel like Spotify is relying on the exact opposite of your threshold idea. Yes it would be a much fairer system, but Spotify wants a hit without having to pay as much, so I can't see them introducing a threshold. Another good reason to buy vinyl to support the artists you love.
I completely agree with the “threshold” idea. Possibly a time limit as well, only applies to the first 30-90 days?
I dont have spotify. I listen to youtube playlists and buy vinyls.
A lot of vinyls come with a download code so you can have the digital version too.
Much love to you Mr. Hawkins
I used to buy vinyl's, that's because I'm old, I'd never go back to vinyl, and don't understand the revival at all, I prefer the higher audio fidelity of every other medium, plus I don't have space for vinyl and hated getting scratches. I'm also not nostalgic for having to get up and turn the record over, and it's so tedious when my favourite track was anything other then the first track on a side! The only positive I can say for vinyl was if the good album cover was good and reading the sleeve notes. I miss sleeve notes :(
On topic of Spotify, I think the threshold idea is a good idea. If someone actually writes great song and gets millions of streams they should get a decent rate for it. ( having said that, some of the most streamed songs in an average month are terrible, like the majority of 'popular' music. )
Great to hear man. More people should do it like that way.
@@danteuk8024 🤣 album cover great for rolling your hi-fi enhancement cigarettes. Just play you favourite side 🤣 also tape deck was great for recording own playlists.
@@danteuk8024 my first album was Rainbow 🌈 rising Ritchie Blackmore Ronnie James Dio. Marantz 6100 turntable. Love my records. Current setup Naim audio and Fyne Audio speakers and Justin sounds amazing through it. Good thing with record player's is that they sound amazing on a lesser budget. Also pulling the listener into the music more due to having to setup it up much more involvement than streaming. Yes more care is needed with the vinyl but again it means someone should cherish it more.
@@alancrane4693 I had that on Vinyl too - love that album, especially the side 2, great example of wonderful cover art. That's a record I did wear out. One of the first albums I bought on CD when it was available. For me the music is more important than the medium. I just want it sound to great when I turn it up and not have to worry about scratching it and cleaning off the dog hairs!
I can’t help but feel as artists find new ways to market themselves and become relevant, platforms find more interesting ways to take more of the revenue from the artist in name of ‘exposure’, actually attracting ‘new’ artists into basically performing for even less, keeping wages for all artists and musicians dormant or decreasing. The artist is the product of value, not the platform, although the platforms can become a resource tool, ….. but only if the platform doesn’t make itself irrelevant in the mass chaos.
Fascinating topic, and I like your proposed threshold idea. Ultimately, the minute Autoplay gives us crap music, we’ll move back to choosing our own playlists - it’s in the streaming providers’ interests to keep us engaged, ahead of pushing music from artists who have paid (via discounted rate) to have their music included in these algorithms. At the end of the day, as JH suggested - artists: write great music.
His point is kind of assuming though that writing great music will automatically equal some level of success which sounds a little bit privileged imo. Getting discovered is still very difficult despite the tools now available to us. If you're a new artist or an artist living a less advantageous life, it isn't quite as simple as 'write great music'
Thanks! You’re amazing, and I can’t help but be reminded of Seinfeld’s puffy shirt.
I think it’s disgusting that artists are paid so little, while “they” see massive profits.
"I don't want to be a pirate"
You're my second favorite Belcher.
I really enjoyed this one mate. It really is interesting to see perspective from the producer/creator rather than the consumer. Thanks again for insight. I love your humorous episodes, but also things like these today are really interesting!
Mike
I stopped watching re-runs of Supersized vs Superskinny, to watch this. That's dedication.
Wow that is definitely dedicated!
@@its_ambs Totally. 👍
“Just write a good song” - surely you know that’s not how it works? I’ve heard many unsigned bands that are so much better than any signed band I’ve heard - it’s not about how good you are, it’s about whether you are heard by the right people. I’m not defending Spotify, I hate everything they stand for! But I definitely understand that some artists will take those lower royalties, as they may go from full rate royalties on hardly any listens, to lower rate royalties on thousands more listens.
Ah, the old "Getting paid with exposure." Quoting the wise words of Henry Hill from the movie Goodfellas, "Fuck you! Pay me!"
Thanks so much Justin! Love watching. Cheers!
How will spotify prove to the artist that they served it to the listener? If I go to spotify to listen to a song because my friend told me about it, as apposed to spotify serving it to me, the artist should get paid the maximum.
Additionally, how long would this arrangement last? Nirvana literally blew up in 48 hours.
With that shirt, you are a quarter way to Adam Ant. I dig it.
Just discovered your channel and it’s top notch! Also made me blast out The Darkness again! You were truly a breath of fresh air when you arrived on the scene and are making me smile all over again, so thank you! (Also love the new hair do, you look like Tommy Lee, but better 😉)
If Tommy Lee had a big brain rather than a big you know what!
It's just the modern equivalent of record companies heavily discounting records in the first week of release to get a high chart placing and therefore more exposure.
As a music buyer for the past 30 years I don't recall any acts discounting new releases heavily or at all on release.
@@paulburner3817 Physical singles were almost always half price (or less) on the first week of release during the 90s and 00s. I've seen new albums discounted down to £8 in the first week too relatively recently. With streaming taking over it doesn't happen very often now as the people still buying physical media are likely to buy it whatever the price is. The casual buyer, who could be tempted to try something new if offered a discount, has vanished.
@@radman8321 not in my experience of being a UK avid music buyer during the 90s and early half of the 00s. It would have been commercial madness as the vast majority of sales are made during the first week as it coincides with hype, pr coverage etc.
@@paulburner3817 I too have been an avid music buyer since the 1980s. New release CD singles were virtually given to record shops and then sold for 99p or £1.99 in the first week to get a decent chart position. I have over a thousand of them. A decent chart position got the artist on top of the pops and virtually guaranteed a top 20 hit.
Album discounting was less common, but did happen, particularly when it was a follow up to a massive selling first album. Getting the number one spot, or at the very least a top five placing is massively important to maintain the momentum the first album generated. It also guaranteed the artist would be stocked in low volume, limited stock outlets like garages and small supermarkets.
You probably should have shopped at different music shops, ones that were part of the chart returns system, they were the ones the pluggers delivered boxes of free CDs to.
@@radman8321 not in my extensive buying experience across multiple retailers in multiple towns and cities.
I see there are visual artists here, too. We have been screwed for ions with clients trying to pay with “exposure bucks”.🖕🏼
Spotify delivers music like a condiment to ameliorate other activities (work, driving, waiting, studying, keeping company, filling space). It’s not necesssary.
Can you opt out of discovery mode after a period once you’ve gotten some exposure? If so then it can maybe help new artists
questions for comments day.. how did you get so good at guitar? as in what sort of things did you practice and do you have any tips for other guitarists trying to get great? love the videos btw
So, Hi Justin!
This one is probably for the comments video, but of course that’s up to you.
I have been going through your older videos, and recently came across one where you talk about singing and remembering lyrics wrong in songs for years…
“I hail from the flatland’s of East Anglia…”
I have been singing and playing this song to my daughters, for 18 or so years now.
I ‘KNEW’ that what I was singing was exactly what you wrote, regardless of it making absolutely no sense, but it was what you sang. I KNEW it!
This, is what I have been singing!
“The hair from a fat man’s always danglier….”
It fits perfectly, sing it to yourself and have a laugh!!!
I KNEW it to be the lyrics, until this year, when I actually read the lyrics, it had to become, UN-known.
I hope this made you laugh, thanks for sharing the ups and downs of your life and keeping rock alive.
Mike, Australia
I thought “Spotify” might refer to “spotlights” but actually, it could be a pun on the “spot market.” In Jenny Odell’s book How to do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy, she says, “In the global “spot market,” companies are driven only by the need to remain competitive, passing the task on to individuals to remain competitive as producing bodies.”
I was reluctant to subscribe to Spotify initially because of the low artist loyalty rates but eventually thought that avoiding the tool would ultimately just punish my own accessibility to music. I would be happy to pay twice the subscription if the additional fee went straight to the artist. I love pulling up an artist on spotify (knowing they are likely to be there) and just playing a few tracks or an album - both for new music or classics but I realise that I'm sadly probably in the minority of the paying public who probably would pay even less if they possibly could regardless of what happens to the creators.
You’re my favorite CZcamsr. “Love is only a feeling” is the only thing that got me through my break up. We eventually got back together and married but during that hard time, that song brought me more comfort than anything else.
Spotify has declining revenue growth nowadays and has fired loads of its employees. Likely, reducing artist royalties for more discovery exposure is a means for Spotify to increase revenue. Eventually, musicians may even have to pay for premium Spotify discovery. For established bands like Iron Maiden (one of the richest metal bands on the planet) that is not really a problem because they have extensive merchandising (even including beer and vintage wines), but for smaller acts without extensive merchandising that likely means far less income.
I buy physical copies of my favorite artists music. I'm that way with books as well. I just like having it. I don't know why but for me it's satisfying. The only downfall is the space it takes up.
So do I! Agreed also in the space downside (sometimes I feel like playing "Tetris" when trying to gain space when I buy a new one😅)
I have been buying physical copies myself. The space it takes up is a small price to pay in my opinion.
Same! I also buy DVDs. I don’t watch them very often anymore but neither do I own a TV License or subscribe to any TV/Movie streaming services. 🤔 TBH the last time I watched a DVD was when I was stuck in bed with a bad cold at the start of February… Still think physical formatted media is the only way to go though!
Maybe something for comments day Justin, I've noticed a similarity between the guitar in "I believe in a thing called love" and the running saxophone track on When Smokey Sings by ABC has anyone including you and the band noticed this before, or am I just ridiculously stupid. Love the content my friend, keep on making me smile thank you 🙏
Screw steaming. I buy albums. I want the artists I listen to, to be able to keep on making the music I like.
I agree with this comment, same!
I buy cds i don't listen to music unless on yt. I prefer a physical copy which helps the artists. Imo. I'm a 70s kid so always been that way for me.
As an attorney who once understood antitrust and fair trade regulations, I can only say that streaming instead of purchasing has resulted in the FCC having to review and alter their rules. I think everyone is still working out how things should work so that everyone is treated fairly. Intellectual property is a quagmire by its very nature and trying to regulate the market of one type of intellectual property, music in today's medium is at best challenging. Not that this answered your question. I personally think that the system may be fairer for musicians now as music companies used to totally screw the musicians.
I don’t think accepting less royalties is a good path for anybody but to Spotify.
I like you stream threshold idea. I working with a band about to start releasing music and this is something we're considering adding to our dance card in order for our singles to gain traction and exposure.
I see it as part of the business start-up investment along side fb ads.
Your outfit today has inspired me to write an acrostic:
All
Day
I
Dream
About
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Sweet KORN🌽, Spinachs🥬, Shiitake mushrooms🍄, Sun dried tomatoes🍅, Strawberries🍓, Sweet melon🍉, Seedless grapes🍇...
Hope you like it, Justin! 😉🫶
Interesting convo. Exploring new music in the digital age..it can be tricky.
❤️ I love your blouse! Very 1987 Andy McCoy-esque! ✌🏼
I just saw you on a rerun of Top Gear. I looked up your rank. You beat Ronnie Wood by large margin, but Brian Johnson kicked your butt.
Instagram have already done this to aspiring visual artists.
During the pandemic I had a brief splurge of artistic creativity and productivity. Then followed by a predictable burnout. I had my ADHD diagnosed and have returned to the platform this year. A two year gap. My content now gets approximately 1/8th of the natural engagement and exposure that it did before. Whereas, on other social media sites such as reddit, my content gets near enough the same amount of exposure as during the pandemic.
Part of that is undoubtedly due to the pandemic giving people much more time to be on social media. But it doesn't account for all of the drop. Research I've done strongly suggests that Meta have reengineered the algorithm so that meaningful organic reach no longer exists. So that, in order to have any kind of success on the platform, you either have to drive traffic to your instagram or pay for ads.
Whereas before it was almost exclusively big brands and artists paying for ad space; now it's aspiring and often poor artists being forced into this space too. Don't you find this to be a cynical move on their part?
I have never paid for a streaming service ever. I dont want to "lease" my music. If I can buy a record I will... When you could not buy records, if I could, I would buy the CD or Casette. At a last resort, I will buy the album on iTunes and download it to my Computer. How do I find out about new music? Usually, the same way as I have always done, talking to friends .. though this channel has introduced me to new music, so thanks Justin.
I use Spotify or CZcams to discover new music and then buy CDs or lossless files HD tracks. I don't expect artists to supply their music to me for a flat rate, I want to be able to buy physical media and I want greater audio quality as well. What I need however is curation, and one of the benefits of the streaming platforms is the ability to show like-type artists. Weighted curation however, meaning recommendations that come not from a match but from compensation seems detrimental to artists and to listeners.
I think you're right that's it's of potential benefit to new artists. 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing. For people like me, a greater chance of people hearing my stuff is tempting bait. I'm not on Spotify yet, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Great video as always.
Really enjoying the channel. As someone who was listening to The Darkness in my teenage years while the "cool kids" were listening to hip hop and who really enjoyed playing songs from Permission to Land in the early days of learning to play the guitar, it's really great to see the insight and down-to-earth perspective behind the larger than life stage persona.
If my comment is selected for one of your comments videos, I'd like to know your thoughts on "separating art from the artist". I've seen a number of bands attract a lot of negative attention over their views or actions or even suggesting that listening to a band is an endorsement of the comments and actions of the entire band., yet I still see people sporting Sex Pistols merchandise and I'm sure that most, if not all, condemn the actions of Sid Vicious.
Agreed about them setting a threshold mate- once they reach a certain level they should get same as higher hitters get. It's hard enough to get paid for what you write as it is- I will get my music at least on a tv advert or somethin'! Your opinion means a lot from somebody who knows nothing about how the nuts and bolts works of this business.
Just came across your channel! I have spent most of the day binging and love it! I was lucky enough to be one of the many people who slapped you on the shoulder (not hard) when you were performing love on the rocks on some guys shoulders at Newcastle many years ago. Seriously that song live is one of the best rock songs ever! Anyway my point! There is always much discussion about Spotify and the music industry but what about Apple Music etc do they use the same model for performers earnings etc?
Vinyl sales blew past cds for the first time in over 30 years in 22'. Call me old fashion but I still prefer record sales over streams.
Ps. Smack has a song "Run Rabbit Run" that NIRVANA covered. Alro, their "Paint it Black" is marvellous.
Thnx for your brilliant channel.
Looks like Im in good company here based on the comments. I prefer listening via CD or vinyl any day. For discovering new bands I stick to my favorite youtube reaction channels (of which this is one of them 😁)
I'd probably go for it if there was a threshold option but I don't reckon that's supporting their business model.. There is something like a Spotify for unknown artists. It's called Jamendo but these days it seems it isn't being frequented as much. Sadly.
Oh Justin, I would love to see you doing backing vocals for John Mayer on a mountain top. That would be amazing
I don't mind them suggesting artists while listening to a list they made but when I make a list I don't want suggestions or additions to my playlist. I want to listen ND support my faves most of all not artists they are getting paid to promote.
I saw something recently about the SXSW festival in Austin, TX and how little they pay musicians. SXSW pays 250.00 for a band , 100.00 for a solo artist OR get a wristband for the festival. International artists don't get paid at all and only have the option to get a wristband. But people will say the musicians get "paid in exposure". Plus the musicians have to pay a 55.00 application fee to SXSW to be even be considered to play the festival.
I applied to sxsw 3 times back in 2006, 2007, 2008. Nada. No offer. I was just as good a solo act, if not better than some I saw.
Justin! New subscriber here. Let me start off by saying I fucking LOVE The Darkness. Some would label me as a boomer...but whatever. Fuck labels. I love The Darkness because you guys music makes me think of bands I grew up listening to....but with a modern twist. Your vocal range completely blows my gourd! Anyway...I had no idea you had your own CZcams channel. Keep up the great things you do, sir!
Appreciate your perspective Justin 👍🖤
I think your idea is great and definitely more fair to the artist. Which is exactly why Spotify would have no interest in implementing it.
A threshold of some sort seems a great idea. Maybe only reduced royalties for those playlists. At what point in time are you no longer on the discovery playlists and all streams should revert to the *full* rate?
Seinfeld wants his shirt back, matey. AARGH!
Hi Justin! Just asking when the darkness is coming to Calgary again, I think it would be an amazing show!
It is curated. Only certain songs from your catalog are eligible. I signed up my band for 18 songs. Most of them had gone down in streams in the last 12 months.
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thxs for riding again justin
AZ
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't discovery mode a single feature that plays music that spotify thinks you'll like based on what you've been listening to? To me the fact it's just a single thing makes it worse as it's going to become flooded with songs and some artists will be part of discovery mode but won't get discovered due to there being too many other artists. If they had separate discovery modes based on genres it would be much better and I think would work much better. I mainly listen to rap, rock, 80's and 90's pop, jazz and blues music at the moment but have got back into another genre and yet discover mode doesn't play any of this music for some odd reason it just plays country music which I haven't listened to in ages so I just don't touch discovery mode and just listen to the music in my own created playlists.
When you think about it, all a service like Spotify really does is host small mp3 files. It's insane they have the cut the do currently
Smashing idea, Justin!
This could be great or detrimental, depending on how they implement it. My ability to discover new music from indie artists is one thing I felt Spotify was missing. If they clearly mark it as playlist where indie artists can get a bit more of a push while taking less revenue, and set parameters around it, then it's most likely a good thing. However, if this is just a gateway to lowering discoverability for established artists who don't take a pay cut, then this could be quite bad.
The best scenario is a standing playlist that's currated to you, and it's called something like "Bargain Bin", as a crude example. Older artists who have lost relevancy could opt in for a song or two, and Indie artists could get in the mix with those names and gain traction. Its a narrow path, though. If they don't implement it in a way that's transparent and not included in the general search algorithm, its good. If they implement it as a blanket over every suggested playlist, then there will be pressure for all artists to take cuts.
Artists are generally underpaid by these streaming platforms regardless, so unless this is a standalone playlist that's curated to my tastes and effects no other aspect of Spotify, then it's a shady practice, through and through.
Hey Justin. Just re-discovered Love is a Feeling. Didn't know it was by the Darkness. It's a better song than I believe in a Thing Called Love.
You should really check out some of HMLTD's new music. They're easily one of the most forward thinking bands out of the UK right now. You'll dig it
Usually buy a cd/vinyl from a band if they just blew me away with a great live show (however small the venue may be) True talent will find it's way, but you have to work hard too. Free social media platforms can be used to engage people.. Dewolff is a great band from the Netherlands and they use it well and also just kick ass live! Last year they got to open up for Toto and the Black Crows!
It is really sad to see the music industry the way it is today- art is no longer valued but is the biggest healer for the soul....i have never used any streaming platform and never will.....when music was respected we could sell a song for £1 and if we sold 1 million we would get £1 million.....stream it 1 million times and we get £3000...so many of my professional muso friends have given up and the young guys coming through really dont stand a chance sadly....how can it be changed?
Music was never respected and artists have always been ripped off by business men. You really think records labels are much better in how they treat the artist and anyway arent they the people making these deals with Spotify.
@@dirtygirl2468 its sad you make this comment as you clearly think it is ok
This sounds like Spotify is doing what every “promoter” does, “Pat to play” taking advantage of the band’s desires to play
I enjoy your videos Justin!
When everyone is on Discovery they can have Super Discovery for a higher royalty percentage. Then Super Dooper Discovery for all the royalties, and musicians will LOVE it.
You're quite right, if it's genuine "discovery" then there must be a threshold for the "discovered". Otherwise, it's just exploitation.
Depending on how successful discovery mode is, if it does push bands to the forefront at the expense of major artists then it could be that everyone opts into discovery mode, and at that stage no one is in discovery mode, everyone is just paid less. If you spend the extra on your flight for priority boarding, if everyone else does it then who gets priority? No one.
The way you said adidas just killed me. 😂😂😂 You’re awesome.
I just rewatched Seinfeld, so the shirt just made me think you wanted to look like a pirate
This also messes up Spotify's main USP for listeners - it has always been very good with discovery stuff but that will be impacted by this too.
The whole business model needs to change.
Artist centric with artists having full control over their artistic direction and any revenue generated by their respective art.
This is yet another example of the artist being treated like a footnote or an afterthought, and a perfect modern parallel to the legacy stranglehold the music industry has had on artists historically.
The industry doesn't want anything "new" to break from the "normal" that's been so lucrative for them at the expense of the artist.
Everyone loves the Art, but nobody wants to pay the artist for it.
Sorry late to this video. Totally agree there should be a threshold. I have only last year joined Spotify. I still buy physical CD's so it lets me try before I but with some albums.
I hasten to add Justin, you are spot on......I'll get my coat.
Good day sir. Just saw an advert for Panda Express using a song of yours? Are you aware of this? I'm in the Usa
Yes when do you click over from "Discovery mode" to "Established mode"?
Probably never.
Just out of interest on the royalties subject,when I played in a band that played gigs, got a bit of radio play,sold one or two records the bill i would get from the royalty gathering and distributing "association" would be far more than I ever earnt.
God help me what the bill would be now to give me $2.00 after at least 10 years of not being in touch with them.
To quote the great Adrian Legg - "You get screwed. You get screwed and you, you get screwed..."
I do hate seeing things I do not want to see on my timelines ...
"insert threshold"!! excellent solution to the obvious problem. Lets just put JH in charge of stuff, he can be King of Stuff. Thumbs up from me
I didn't think it was possible to pay us less. Oh...Nope...Yeah, it's possible.
Ps. FOR EVERYONE - IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY & FAME, IT'S ABOUT MUSIC& ART.
I personally think that any new artist will be desperate enough to take this hit and that’s how this will be successful. Another way to exploit a new artist and dangle success in front of their eyes.
Your last comment of spotify finding a way to reward themselves on a mass basis is taking advantage of enthusiastic artists who, as you also do aptly said, are giving up potential royalties they could earn (at a fraction of a cent), who will bring their entire social media/ fan base to Spotify to support the artist- and only spotify wins. Record company deals with Spotify need to be transparent, Spotify saying they don't know what the record companies make is BS. Musicians beware: the old saying why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free or at a deep discount 🐄 will only lessen percentages to rising artists on only BE while playing to the hopes of being discovered amongst the millions of other artists willing to sacrifice their % of a cent. I work in the business part of the business & Justin you are spot on! And artists you're worth more than this! Any manager stoked about this needs to get off their tush & go out & work for their artist- not advocate for more industry /Eck bull sh@ttery ✌🏽 #carryon
I think you hit it. None of it matters if you make good music. If you post a great song on CZcams for free and it’s great, people will want it. Music is innate and that’s what’s great about it. There’s no fooling anyone exposure or no exposure. There will be tons of crap and any good music found will be snapped up by agents. Good music is still usually discovered before getting to the point where a band or musician has to pay for exposure.
Day 38 of asking for the Stranglers at Battersea Park 1978
Hi Justin
It would be a loss short term but if people didn’t find the new band in discovery they may not find the band at all, but once you find the band I head to their main page then I thinking they would get paid at full rate so in the long run would pay off eventually?
My main take away from this is realizing that the reason it's so tough to find new artists to listen to on services like Spotify seems to be because it's intentional. I didn't know about this Discovery Mode until now.
Currently Artists must have at least 5,000 streams in the past 28 days, or at least 1,000 followers, in a country that campaigns can target so it's not available to everyone