The Dark Side Of Spotify Playlists
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We need a new platform where only independent artists release their music because Spotify is not designed for independent artists. So much great music is made by independent artists that gets overshadowed by these big labels
I feel like if such thing exists, the big labels will find a way to still release their music there. Maybe even by faking their "independent" status.
Bandcamp â€ïž
Bandcamp
Quarry Music
Exactly đŻ I also agree with the first reply I feel the majors will find a way in if it comes to be huge enough where they can draw a significant profit. Bandcamp is cool but what he means is a platform with the pull and notoriety of a Spotify or Apple Music but strictly for independent artists/producers. I don't think independent artists need to share a platform with majors. The playing field is unbalanced and unless you got a heavy budget, it's hit or miss
U should do a video on label execs like Birdman, Diddy, P from QC and how they finesse their artists in contracts
He already did that
Check for the âHow artists really sell their soulâ video
Def this, especially Diddy & Birdman with all of those allegations about the other things theyâve done.
He already did that
Check for the âHow artists really sell their soulâ video
You trying to get his page shut down
Bruh finesse is an understatement, what those labels do is straight up robbery
GOAT Yassine once again with deep analysis and industry insight that no one else in the game does.
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This could definitely explain why I found a lofi artist that I really liked but could find nothing but a playlist on Spotify. And maybe a song on CZcams.
i used to make lofi music and let me tell you the lofi playlist scene is fucked man, i was lucky enough to bag a couple editorial placements a couple months back but itâs extremely saturated with fake artists or big labels, itâs pretty much impossible to get anywhere without labels who have access to big playlists and audiences
@@cdm8793 sounds weird and grimey, why have such a monopoly on lofi music
@@cdm8793 Yeah, the fake artist shit is spreading to jazz and piano playlists now (not all of them of course but should be none). The songs sound nearly identical and none of the artists can be found off Spotify. Would love for a serious investigation into what is going on. Extremely shady. Either Spotify is directly involved or turning a blind eye to it.
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Why does this remind me of Apple force feeding U2 onto us like we didnât see it happen. Spotify just force feeding songs that arenât even relevant to our tastes
I knew firefly entertainment was gonna pop up đ
as a lofi producer I started complaining about them back in 2020đ
Yes, sir! I can confirm some of this. I am a professional remote mixing and mastering engineer and I work on projects like this ALL THE TIME! I mainly work on AirGigs but also on Soundbetter (which used to be owned by Spotify......... hhhmmmmm). They have us sign "work for hire" contracts and sometimes NDA's. They pay a flat rate and you give up all rights to the song.
oh snap, yassine busting out the mini docs, and im here for it 100%
This man deadass just exposed Spotify
Lol they gonna get this video taken down
Damn, some serious research was put into this this! Kudos!
The saddest thing about this is that at one point there were actual artists on Epidemic and still are to a degree. But they get overshadowed by the amount of fake artists so then nobody listens to them and those who do barley get any views on say a playlist they make with them in it.
As a Spotify user, I would like to ask, who uses playlists?? I used a "discover weekly" playlist once, and it gave such mixed results that I haven't done it again. All of my 300+ liked songs come from already knowing the songs, hearing them on the radio, interest in Spotify Charts/Billboard, CZcams exploration, etc. I found a "clean hyperpop" playlist once, and literally nothing fit what I wanted--and that was made by a user. I don't see anyone would put their trust in Spotify's playlisting when my personal preference has always yielded better results.
I use the playlists occasionally when I wanna find new music, but sometimes I gotta look thru a few before one looks interesting to me. The new release and best of type playlists is what I usually stick to but 97% of the time in just listening to my liked music
discover weekly is algorithmically driven, so never 100% reliable of course, but i still check it when it updates. i often find some enjoyable stuff on there
same with apple musics recommended playlists... its so bad. genres I don't even listen to at all. even the favourites one, that should be songs you've played a lot in the past, have stuff you've never touched.
i use rap caviar often to get updated on the latest rap records
I use discover weekly every week and take what I like into my own playlist. CZcams playlists are usually what have the gold mines of music since its already catered towards your interests.
As a reference, some of the most popular mood music channels on youtube make 10's of thousands of dollars per month. Especially the meditation ones apparently.
The niche for background and study music is huge.
People think the internet would end things like black balling. That thinking is somewhat naive. It's like people think cryptocurrency will somehow ensure that banks no longer have control over money. The truth is old powers have the means (money and power) to gain influence over emerging industry innovations.
@Dilbot đđ I don't mean to be the bringer of bad news.
The industry was thrown off by the internet influence 10-15 years ago but they have since put they stamp of control on it.That's like ppl thinking you can still blow up outta nowhere on the internet when they been stopped that since like 2015 everything is manufactured now
Spotify removed my song that has been accumulating tons of streams per day and my monthly listeners grew immensely as well. I contacted Spotify for Artists customer service regarding how my song randomly got removed and I had an employee basically manipulate the situation and I got really upset with this person since they werenât concerned or helpful in my regard. Another employee gave me a response basically said that the people listening didnât engage on it which is hilarious since I got 1,000s of plays daily
"we don't pay ourselves" If you're a stockholder of Spotify and a major music group, then you are paying yourself
A lot of work went into this video, great video !
I am an artist myself and i appriacte it Yassine's craft for real. From the documenataries and the other types videos i have learned a lot about the industry, bow fans are and everything in general. The comment section has also helped a lot.
Unfortunately these dudes don't know much. Like they're window shopping from the street.
I think playing shows, no matter how small and social media presence is how you build up to make it a full time gig.
Friend of mine did open mic shows for a year now he works in a studio
@@Killius doing shows & selling merch is the only way to make it as a artist. Streaming ainât gon do it, $1k takes something like 2.5 MILLION streams on Spotify alone.
@@dexhendrixt5hmg the way to look at the streaming is to sell tickets to the shows. With spotify being global and letting you sell tickets on there, I've seen tons of smaller artists that get 50-100k listeners get into small festivals and shows off that.
Streaming revenue is low for sure, but I think of it as advertising for the shows and to the social medias which then becomes a feedback loop.
really everything is for the shows.
Love this deep analysis content bro, super insightful. keep em comin
I had no idea chill or relaxation music was so popular. Its annoying considering the effort I put into my own brand of cathartic instrumentals.
True Epidemic Sound has some high quality tracks, I always thought they were a synch library in the US geared at the gaming industry. Anyways great video
Great investigative work/journalism, I can appreciate how you are expanding yourself and content.
Keep going Yassine!!! This right here is NB info Bro. ..u levelling up and settings new bars for the competition in music industry yt channels.
Theres a theory that there are artists out there who create music under a different name, totally different genre, for sync purposes. I know it happens alot for tv shows and movies
This is why my band switched from doing instrumental rock to tentatively adding vocals. All of the âinstrumental â playlists are being taken up by these fake âartistsâ.
This video made me realize, after years of using spotify, that the logo is not even. It's tilted slightly to the right, i had to look at the spotify app on my phone to make sure, and sure enough it is tilted slightly.
Hey man not disproving the rest of your facts but Arush Mandal actually is an artist, he makes like background tracks for commercials/videos and allot of royalty free music for creators to use, like Kevin McLeod.
12:42 putting Katy Perry's song "rise up" on a spotify called playlist "pops rising" is more than a message... That was straight up trolling on a 6ix9ine kinda level đ
Iâm 2018-2019 my account was âhackedâ were I was following/liking and playlisting Eastern European artists (the same two always came up but canât remember the names) I changed my password twice but it wasnât until the second time that the âhackingâ stopped
you should make a second channel for this sort of long form content, I'm not always a fan of your opinion but this content is fire and I feel like the subs of this channel don't give it the respect it deserves.
yea cause his takes on certain topics i see people generally feel very divided about but come to these and everyone loves them
@@brazydeath2616 thatâs not true because my cousin doesnât like it so itâs I offhand
He tried but decided to keep it all on one channel
No point in doing this makes no sense
@@knight808. it does agent 0 has 5 channels each different he donât advertise on other channels cause they all diff they all have different fanbases as a whole. he even explained it recently when he stopped making content for 1 channel
I figured this out on my own just based on the sheer amount of hyper specific playlist they had to fill up. Thereâs no way they could rely on independent artists to fill them. They would have to be commissioned. And each of those instrumentals had such perfectly curated artist pages and song cover art.
this is such a great deep dive. deserves more views. wonderful
Didn't see this when it first came out, HY you have some of the best content on this hellhole we call CZcams. Please never change man, especially for people like me, independent and unknown artists such as myself gain a great amount of knowledge behind the scenes because of your videos and streams with Bobalam. You shed light on topics and strategies that the higher ups want to hide from us, I know you can't completely figure out how big labels work, but you do the most you can and I've never seen any other content creator that covers music/rap do some much research. Appreciate you king, much love
Back with another amazing subject that I had questions about, and Yassine about to break it down brilliantly as usual.
This is dope, in-depth work. Much appreciated... đ„âđŻ
I love that "Angels" by Dark Sky is the song that got selected in the footage of choosing a song from the daily mix. Great track. There's some good stuff on that daily mix too.
Also this fake artist shit is absolutely wild. This is a very eye-opening video. Very convincely presented argument too.
Keep these types of videos coming đȘ
Youâre incredibly thorough!
Iâm an epidemic artist and my songs donât go to Spotify editorials unless itâs accepted through pitching
wait so despite everything that you gotta do for it...you also have to pitch it and do half their job as well? thats rough.
@@taylorcliff6609 yeah these companies rarely do anything for you lol
I made it 3x
Love the longer videos Yassine!
This might be my favorite video by you and that is really saying something because I watch your content daily
thank you nate
Would be cool to see a crossover video with Barely Sociable. His long-form documentary on crime involvement with the creation of the music industry, is absolutely phenomenal work.
I don't listen to popular playlists like rap caviar, instead I make my own playlist. But I do like their lofi playlist.
Another great vid, research is always on-point
Much appreciated
That's why I don't do streaming services' curated playlists at all, they're usually boring af (that said, Spotify eliminated itself from my country altogether and it's not like I've used it or missed it)
i was wondering if you could do a video on lizzo's sales on her newest album "special" because it did like 67k first week and for me, this is a flop since these are the same numbers logic did with confessions of a dangerous mind and i remember people were calling this a flop back in 2019.
Tbh I aint surprised none of her singles did well minus about damn time Did well. And that only did well Initially due to radio
ooooo this is finna be good for background at work. thanks bro!
These "The Dark Side of" Doc's that you have been making are really dope Yassine. I didn't like your content because it cares about how much a Artist makes their 1st week in record sale instead of focusing on if the albums music is good or trash but your content is getting better bruh. Keep up the good work.
nah facts, his earlier videos on first week sales was annoying and superficial, im glad he's doing this type shit now
I love those videos, thereâs something for everyone on his channel
Heâs paying people on fiver to make these videos promo he paid $10 for his last fideoc
@@Underising $10 to just edit it or to actually do the research, write a script and cut all the footage together while he just records the lines?
@@revalution1965 That dude has no idea what he's talking about.
This content is Golden especially for an independent executive like myself who knows what there doing. Iâve even found out other tricks that prove itâs a rigged game as well. Keep up the extraordinary work. HY đŻđ„đ„đ„
What are some of the other tricks? Iâve def seen a few too. Was speaking with a indie label partnered with majors one time and they were telling me the majors literally have playlisting on lock. If you tell them you need xyz playlist and itâs not like rap caviar or TTHs youâll get it with them. But when indie the odds you get it are pretty low unless you really have something happening online with the song
Then u need to make a damn video
@@jamaalsjourney I might been thinking bout it leave a sub so u donât miss it
@@6PMDrew gotta drop that
@@sorathereason fasho
very interesting topic, one of the best videos ive seen recently
Assigning several names to one musician was pretty normal for a lot of electronic music labels in the 90s when it was booming. Without the internet being as big as it is now a lot of it flew under the radar. It would make your label look bigger and you could sell more "compilation" CDs. Not super relevant to the video but interesting nonetheless.
I think only the labels should be able to post their artists music on Spotify. Any unsigned artists should have their own accounts. That way nobody gets finessed.
Thatâs pretty much what they are doing already and independents are the ones getting finessed because the labels are private owners And or connected to Spotify like this video and so they just manipulate the playlists. So independent artists are still making the labels money WITHOUT signing to them because they are shareholders. Independent need their own rig free platform where itâs fair game imo.
@@6PMDrew that platform wouldn't have viewers
@@CorgiWrangler thatâs false how would you know that? Are you saying you or said artists wonât promote it? Remember Spotify and ALL streaming companies started with 0 views. Itâs thinking like yours thatâs why they keep monopolizing.
@@6PMDrew lol look at tidal and Holla back
@@CorgiWrangler I been did that already lol u late he bought it for 50+ million and now itâs worth 250 million plus. So Tidal has no viewers? This must be a 4 yr old typing these things. Yeah youâre just proving my points again. Tidal is a top steaming company. So just stop or I can school u all day. And tidal pays more per stream so they are probably more profitable. As we are not sure if Spotify is just now getting profitable or not.
Conspiracy theory: spotify got forced into giving major labels a bigger cut of the revenue, so they created fake artits (from whom, I assume, spotify gets a really good deal) to dilute the total number of streams, and thus recoup some of the lost revenue.
No problem giving RCA a better split, if their music makes up a proportionally smaller piece of the entire pie.
Would be extremely interesting to see how this practice evolved over time, and if major spikes happen to coincide with major labels renegotiating their contracts.
Good take đŻ
Streaming era is a good and bad thing for artists. Whatever road the music business is going down, then streaming is this road with some pot holes.
Love this kind of videos
u know its fake when the profile pic is "some nature" đ€Ł
Great content my guy đ„đ„đ„
TYBG FOR THIS BREAKDOWN.
Too many times now do i get a dope ass stacked feature track with artist i love on my playlists just for it to be 3 minutes of some terribly produced track by some tone deaf noname.
Wow do u mean like the feature artists are major artists but when u click on it itâs a struggle artist? Like Soulja Boy old method?
@@6PMDrew bruh XD soulja got me back in the day with that shit so many times...really wish more artists would do dodgy things like that no cause it was funny asf to download a song thats poppin and it was a soulja song instead.
@@taylorcliff6609 yeah thatâs crazy lol golden method lmao
thank you so much for your video!!!
I canât wait to see what yassine does in the industry once he gets in it
Subscribed. Thanks for this
Speaking of fake artists: there was a release that got dumped onto one of my artist pages without permission that turned out to be some randomly generated AI album (do some research into the label Boomy Corporation)
Very interesting video, original concept, well-made!!!
Glad you liked it!
Great detective work!
Very interesting. It would make sense for Spotify to own some of the songs they push as they really do have a tough time earning profit from their platform, even with them being as massive as they are. Theyâre rolling out âdiscover modeâ now which promotes artists organically for a slightly bigger cut of the royalties. That way artists get more push, Spotify gets more money. Spotify absolutely has the power to make or break your career too. Very interesting. Great video Yassine! Youâre critical thinking videos are great as always
spotify does not have a tough time earning profit
@@voss9352 As of may of 2022, Spotify still is NOT profitable. They dont make a profit.
Their revenues are increasing however, and soon they will be making a profit. Who knows 2022 might become their first.
My guess is Spotify either owns these 3rd party companies making the fake artists and formulaic music in some roundabout way so it's not obvious or they have special deals with them where what they pay these companies works out to be less than what they would pay legitimate artists and labels. Some may be individuals unaffiliated with Spotify or a company. Not exactly hard to create "lo-fi beats," "chill jazz," "sleepy piano" songs in the simplistic style of those on the playlists full of those fake artists. But I think odds are higher it's the former since the latter would mean Spotify would have to pay out more money as these songs are often short, around 2 minutes. They would lose more money from people playing playlists full of songs like that if they had to pay the usual amount. Hopefully, legit artists become more aware of this and organize together, particularly those making music in the style where these fake artists are more common (mellower instrumental music). Music labels likely won't be happy about it either.
You should do a video on Blackstone investments
That's insane revenue for a fake record label
Great fkn work bro!
Great video bro keep it up
Finally you made a real video about something!!
Great video đ interesting stuff. It's kinda like insider-trading in a way
Top tier content Yassine. Interviews next?
If people would pull through
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I love the long videos
CZcams hasn't been showing me either your uploads or BlackSpeakz and some other rap commentary channels uploads in my notifs lately.
Hold up.. you're describing this bs elevator music that's being played 24/7 at this store đ
Faking artists or having studio musicians play on a ton of recordings isn't new. Back in the 1960's and 70's a group of studio musicians known as the Wrecking Crew played on literally thousands of records and sometimes even replacing an entire band for the record. There were fake bands made up by record labels using studio musicians and then they would recruit other musicians to basically play the parts for tours. The big winner of course was the record companies.
This is far more than just the annoyance of Spotify making money by having sell out wanker creatives make music for many artists, it also means that so many genuine artist's work is purposefully being held from getting onto playlists & being discovered & those artists making an income. It's a kick in the teeth to any musicians & composers creating music from ambient, neoclassical, chillout, LoFi & virtually any down tempo instrumental music. It pisses me off massively as this is just the sort of music I'm passionate about & want to produce, whist trying to discover similar music made by like minded people. Hell, how many of the artists I've liked music from are't even real? Songs with are actively blocking me from hearing actual artist's work! And as someone trying to get traction in such musical genres it all just makes me think what's the fucking point!
The only song I recognized was Cold by Boy in Space. I believe it was in a 2k game.
Same Absolute banger
đ„đ„đ„ excellent research l love it
Not his research he stole it ..go research darkside of Spotify .. he stole this content just like other videos he is starting to do !
This is my favorite video of yours. More shit like this !
Some people make music for Spotify only. They arenât âartistsâ in the traditional sense; they focus on making licensable, sync-type music that can lane on these lifestyle playlists like âmeditationâ, etcâŠ
It doesnât mean Spotify is behind it
Blues Pills are definitely an actual band. One that is pretty well known within their genre.
Yeah as soon as he was like you probably haven't heard of any of these I was like one of these is not like the others.
Hold on... Blues Pills is signed to Nuclear Blast
This channel needs a 1million subs
I noticed that platforms like youtube music people use digital distributors to release popular artists under different names.
How is this not illegal wouldnât it be considered laundering or something?
Great video!
Thank you Tiger, nice seeing you.
nice upload my boy
One of the best videos and works which I have seen in youtube.
You did a great job in this video.
Really good.
Brave.
Now all are waiting for reactions and protests
, here in CZcams.hahahaha.
Of course everything you said
is very real. These are facts.
Producers, investors, tax offices, authorities and and and know that.
Example.Other
TuneCore is in the USA but belongs to the group in France.
This is all known and I personally only use
as gigantic advertising for my music, own
products and mine
Music school for composition
but only for children and young people.
Thanks.
parts .
All the best for you.
Look into the lounge / house editorial lists
Songs (lyrics) and beats can now be made with ai, having human sounding voices with natural sounding voice inflection. This is why autotune is so tricky. We've gotten so used to it that they can now give us an AI created song, and we not know.
Facts even the mood , feel and tempo can be set by AI.
No it canât lol .. shut up
crazy that many people cant find fire music on their own. never catch me turning on a Spotify playlist. try, my Soundcloud likes. I know real ones gon relate
Canât imagine how long this video took to make
the labels own shares of spotify & refuse to let them sign artists so this is spotifys way of sneakily doing it
Yassine deserves the pulitzer prize for this đđđđ
23:34 mmmh đ€ there is a B1M video on this building in NY, if I remember correctly that was an old theater that was lifted for this.
Yassine with the matrix timing
Maybe they're embezzling money because if some IT guy creates an 'artist' and they can siphon off millions, why wouldn't every executive do that?
Weâve been submitting to editorial playlists for YEARS an never even sniffed a playlist. A friend got signed to a BS 25k deal an he got playlisted immediately, but gets no stream royalties đđ€· so whatâs the point?
Do you know a thing or two about artists hijacking another's name in Spotify? My favorite band got a new song added to them because of it
Happened to one of my friends who uploaded an independent album and Spotify put it on another band's profile with the same name
Spotify sell themselves as the unique diamond in which all us independent artists should rely on. Funny that its the other way around.
We need to revert back to physical media, so real artists arenât stuck with purely slave wages, while industry plants reap all the profit of the industry.
this is craaaaaazy, I went to check some of those "Sleep" playlists and there's artists with 20 mill streams on one song, over 500k monthly listeners, and 125 followers đ€Łđ€Ł damn