How Pi was nearly changed to 3.2 - Numberphile
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The State of Indiana nearly passed a law which would have made Pi equal 3.2 - strange but true.
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Constants in the Imperial System:
Pi = 3.2
Slice = 0.76
Crumb = 0.04
+Patrick Star lol
+Patrick Star oh, i love pi. Especially on apples
+Patrick Star GALACTIC IMPERIAL SYSTEM
lol
+Patrick Star Your pic totally makes that comment. For many reasons.
hey bro i can remember 39 digits of pi how many do you know?
i know ALL of them bro.
really bro? prove it.
3.2 bro
bro
+Christopher Gudgeon brooooo
Bro bro
+Christopher Gudgeon haha
+Christopher Gudgeon bro. you don't even know bro.
Pft, here's the real solution:
r=0
boom a square with 0 area has the same area as a circle with a radius of 0. Ha.
Ummm....
R=0 is no circle
Christoporus Nicholas thats the point
Was that pun intentional?
Spaskiba a
A form of matter Don't know, but I'm sure it was *irrational* (get it? circle area) badam tss
Just imagine if you would have to pay Pythagoras for using his theroem...
Well, interesting, but there is some doubt that Pythagoras actually proved it.
@@aradhya_purohit no ,
Pythagoras did prove it but didn't discover it .
@@NihilistEmier yeah actually that's what I wanted to point out that it is not Pythagoras' theorem. Thanks btw for the correction.
An Indian mathematician is like a scientist from Ethiopia.
Well we wouldn't use it because it was wrong. I have no interest in describing the ratio between a circle's diameter and it's circumference as 3.2.
Mathematicians would've realized the mistake pretty quickly and just used another variable or some other definition. Engineers don't use flat earth physics and they wouldn't use 3.2
Edwin is the Fine Bros of 1897
made my day xD
+jpdude98 Haha
+jpdude98
HAHAHAH XDD =]]]]]] You made my day sir.
+jpdude98 top kek m8 I r8
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And i am a 3.14lot
"Piguy32" just doesn't sound as cool...
Why not Piguy3
***** change it to piguy355113 cuz pi = 355/113
yiu yeung Kan Pi does not equal 355/113. It's irrational and can't be set as a ratio of a/b where a and b are rational.
+Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen Actually Pi is closer to 22/7.
Tim Ander Pi = 3.14159265...
355/113 = 3.14159292...
22/7 = 3.14285714...
355/113 matches to six decimal places; 22/7 to only two.
*when you say your password is the last five digits of pi*
wait a minute
hey whats your password
oh it's just [SYNTAX ERROR]
00032 ?
@@auxencefromont1989 If pi were just 3.2000... then your password if it were the last five digits of pi would just be: 00000 lol
@@Ivan-yy4ng thats the joke
I know all of the digits of pi, i just forget which order they’re in
Yeah I also know the digits of Pi. I know the digits of any number, equation, any thing related to maths.
They are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 0.
@@Camp_RB Prodigy
@@currypenguin someone tell this guy about different bases
@@supernoodles908 numbers with different bases would still involve those numbers lol
@@peelysl
Not with bases larger than 10
And my state has embarrassed me again, thanks Indiana.
We have to learn to own our own faults and learn from them. For instance, how many meteorologists has our state pounded into an insane asylum?
I'm just glad it wasn't Florida this time. Sorry Tyler. You guys can have a gaff this time.
Virat Kohli ironic
@@ViratKohli-jj3wj America bad
ikr
Wait, squaring the circle is the first Numberphile video I watched! I have come full circle!
+rkrokberg Don't you mean full square?
+rkrokberg ...and now you're back to square one.
Piception
+rkrokberg
DAMN! SAME HERE!!
rkrokberg on a video about pi
3.14 - Are you threatening me Master Goodwin?
Goodwin - The senate will decide your fate
3.14 - I am the Senate!!!
It's been two years. HOW COME THIS ONLY HAS 75 LIKES???!!!!
@@JV-fo4uo 164 likes now.
Goodwin:not yet
3.14: It's treason then.
372 now
Oh Indiana, you embarrass yourself again...
xD
At least they don't have a law that prohibits having sexual intercourse with a porcupine, do they, Florida?
computo2000 Or how about a law that says it's illegal to fart in public restrooms after 6 PM on Thursdays. Your move, Florida.
Come on, I live in Indiana!
Same, lol
Even if you rounded Pi up to two significant figures, it would be 3.1, not 3.2.
It would be 3.2 if you round it 'up'. Only 3.1 if you round it down
@@PastyMancer No, what you've shown is ceiling (as you said rounding up) but rounding is different
3.1492 -> 3.15 -> 3.2
@@nestor1208 pi is 3.141592 not 3.1492... And even if it was 3.1492, it would be rounded as 3.1
3.1415... to 2 s.f. is 3.1.
James Grime has the shiniest cheeks of any mathematician.
He has luminous singularities of transcript light upon his spherical jaw musclar case. I regret commenting this.
O^-^O
I love how happy James seems when he's telling any story
I think the scarier part, to be honest, is the attempt to patent pi. Obviously, even if it went through, it obviously wasn't pi, but... just imagine if there was legal precedent for patenting it.
He didn't try to patent pi, but that specific mathematical proof.
I'm not sure, the sources I can find seem to say he was trying to patent his methods for squaring the circle. Though I can't find any direct information on the patent application itself, or even what ended up happening to it.
They never said anything in the video about patents…
Theres a huge difference from patenting the solution to squaring the circle problem, and patenting Pi itself.
I mean, with all do respect, It’s USA, so we can assume that it was very nearly possible to have happened
I coded a small (and simple) physics program to emulate the basics of a pool table (well, the physics of its balls actually) and decided to try changing the value of Pi to 3.2 and the thing just went nuts!
Actually, the movement of the balls looked like it was being influenced by quantum physics!
Lol
pi is exactly three. EDIT: because I’m still getting comments 6 years later. My comment is a reference to an episode of the simpsons where professor frink was forced to loudly declare pi is exactly 3 to get the attention of his roused peers during a presentation.
If you assume that 1 is pi/3.... sure thing bro. GL rewriting all other constants to match it though.
It's a quote from The Simpsons which references this story
well if your in a pinch 3 will be better than nothig
That is just Pure evil!
4*
The fact that the video is on 3.2 mil views (for now) is poetic
poetic for some time
"pi is a social construct"
Math as a whole
numbers are
Do not forget racist.
I identify as pi
all numbers are just human constructs
In base π, π is 10... I wonder what it would look like in base √5.
+jminizimet 10.20000101200100002001001.....
What's Pi in Base 6, please?
+Razvan 3.050330051415124105...
Senary is your favorite base?
My favorite base is base 1.
Gwamma Nutsi in base ten (X), ten is 10
1 is one (I) in any base.
Why 3.2!?! Why not 3.14 or a simple 3.15 or something.... I get that he had to make it a constructible number but... why 3.2? That seems a bit much
Why not just 0
Michael Trethewey Because either 3.2 is rounding up of pi OR because 3.2 is easier to use in calculations than 3.14 \ 3.15.
DerpyGaming1 Except you wouldn't round up; you would round down. It should be 3.1
But it isn't.
+Michael Trethewey Man... screw decimals, just use 3
I present to you the James Grime Inch: 4:01
Alfonso J. Ramos If you compare it to the size that he mentioned before the inch, an inch would be that small maybe even smaller.
Alfonso J. Ramos is
The _Grinch_
@@morphmu I am so sorry this comment didn't make it
At this point Ramanujan is my hero. He's been coming up in absolutely every numberphile video I've tried to watch
yeah we are proud of him 🙂
Yeah...I reside in the great state of Indiana. I was in my second semester of undergraduate in mathematics when one of my calc profs told us this story. He is a mathematical historian on the side and one of his electives is on the history of mathematics. In defense of Indiana and America, Dr Waldo ,who educated the Senate and stopped the bill, was from Purdue University.
You don't have to defend your state. There are plenty of moonbats everywhere.
John_Jackson
@@johnjackson9767 idk man, 1897 but still for them to pass a Bill....I'd be kinda embarrassed too
Where's Dr. Waldo buried?
The guy that said pi=3.2 is so evil! How dare you put tax on a mathematical idea!
Got what he deserved, i.e. ridicule.
😂
I've seen a t-shirt with e=π=3.
*Big oof*
Нестор Капленко it's called the "fundamental theorem of engineering"
welcome to america. money money money.
2:24, Waldo has finally been found!
This reminds me of something I read a while back about, I think it was an American high school teacher, who claimed he solved the problem of dividing by zero by inventing a constant with the value 1/0... BRILLIANT!
3:58 Classic Parker Square!
You deserve to be higher!
I live in Indiana and once we tried to tried to make schools teach pi as equal to 3 instead of 3.14 and also in schools the acceleration due to gravity is sometimes taught as 10 m/s^2 instead of 9.8 m/s^2
Norwegian schools teach _g_ = 9.81 m/s^2, but tell the pupils to use _g_ ≈ 10 for any mental calculations.
Difference is though, g is barely a constant
In my native tongue "squaring the circle" actually is equal to Sisyphus Work.
Interesting. In English "to square the circle" is sometimes used to mean "to find a way to make seemingly contradictory things be congruent"
Why would they change math? Math. Is. Math!
no, it's 'maths'
Thats What he did ... Changed math to math factorial
is this an incredibles 2 reference? 😭
it just a tool, you can change
He might not have found a solution for squaring the circle, but at least he found Waldo.
Now I wanna know the math puns they used to mock him so badly.
Come on guys. He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He was just... Cutting corners!
Sure, sure. But he's still a Square.
oh no
@@watamidoing8131 yeah, I mean he had to go square 1 by getting taught.
He told the police about his accomplices in this scheme so they, too, could be rounded up.
Love this story, read about it in a book about pi years ago:) They were so lucky to have mathematician there stopping by.
As an engineer student i give you 3 and not 1 more!
1:19 - "How kind of him"
shots fired
I gotta love living in Indiana. We're always in the news somewhere
That's true, especially now that Pence is the VP.
I've heard this story multiple times and it still astonishes me to this day.
I often use 22/7 or 355/113 as approximations if i don't have a calculator around.. especially 355/133 is quite accurate
I don't think a law in Indiana would be that relevant for the rest of the world.
They said that it would be patented everywhere but Indiana
Not outside US
You think it was relevant in other countries?
@@bradirv State laws can't apply to the whole nation. If New York passes a law that New York is the only state allowed to say "kerfuffle," it does absolutely nothing, because other states don't follow the laws of New York.
SO GLAD THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN, I wouldn't be able to say 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 anymore
Same but in my case to 160dp
+Riley Voss I've memorized it to 3.141592653589793238462643383279
3.1415926535897932384626433832950 ;)
+John McGovern yes, I have remembered 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716239932718
+John McGovern Now do it in dozenal, hexadecimal, vigesimal, etc. etc.
3:48 I guess you could call it a Parker Square.
As a Hoosier I can honestly say this is not that crazy when compared with some of the other whacky stuff that has been passed into law here
could've only happened in murica
To be fair if you understood US politics in the late 19th century, corruption was a big thing so obviously someone just bribed people to pass the bill along.
Wow. I am so glad we got past that *snark*.
Mad Sloth yeah I hate that a ton of Americans are dumbasses
Btw I am american
SANB SPs the irony though you said I am american but it is supposed to be I am an American
Dylan McDowell I am American works as well
I'm sooooo looking forward to squaring a circle! Love this channel
In school I was told that pi was 22/7 so of course I tried to find an exact value
I found the recurring decimals 3.142857142857… by doing long division and I was really proud of myself until I realised that pi is not 22/7
I was also told that e=19/7
I don’t know why they liked 7 so much
3.2M views...
Hey, I am an Indiana native, and if we say Pi is equal to 3.2, then by God, that is what it equals. If you don't like it, we'll stop letting you in to watch the Indy 500!
Yet again, my state embarrasses me... Damnit Indiana...
Time to move. Save the next generation :-)
Turn weakness into advantage, all the rest should be embarrassed for not having such a story :)
Place doesn't mean anything, he was just a person like that.
USA: i have corona
Indiana is a part of the US
Don't be embarrassed for the state of Indiana. Every state, and every nation has far worse things to be embarrassed about. As a general rule, no government should ever make official declarations of scientific (or mathematical) facts. Scientific truth can take care of itself. Government "enforcement" of scientific truth will only lead to trouble - anything from completely false ideas, all the way to outright acts of horrible evil.
separation of science and state
Yes I really despise governments and those who run it. Politicians and lawmakers usually don't care about anything but money and power.
Hillary for Prison 2k16
Prison for people who can't write the date properly.
PhilBagels Like Eugenics... yikes.
I love storytime with Dr. James
Was it Edwin or Edward?
+Henrik Myrhaug His name was Edward but people called him Edwin.
Wardwin
Edward Goodwin = Edwin
Edlost
Edwad
2:30 I bet he heard "I've finally found Waldo!"
I really like this channel and its content. :-)
I almost had a heartattack when I saw the thumbnail
1:02Facts and mathematical theorems can't be copyrighted.
In America it seems it can be
+Chef Me They can't. At least not now.
Why... is.. your... cube... UNSOLVED!?!?!? TRAITOR!!!
Perhaps, since this video is related to squaring the circle, he wanted to make a subtle reference to another impossible ancient Greek problem - doubling the cube.
Given a cube, is it always possible to construct a cube with exactly twice the volume? It turns out that it is impossible. There exist cubes which cannot be doubled using the ancient Greek methods.
So maybe his unsolved Rubix cube was a reference to how one cannot "solve" the problem of doubling the cube ;)
@@MuffinsAPlenty you can easily solve it the area of the cube is 0
@@MuffinsAPlenty That wall of text also mentions him having a 'proof' of solving this problem, and setting the diagonal of a unit square = root(2) = 10/7
As well as trisecting an angle.
It does not surprise me. It seems like impossibility results in mathematics tend to draw out the most mind-numbingly bad arguments from some people.
Sup cuber
Not knowing what "squaring the circle" was before this video, I must admit I had to look it up elsewhere to really understand. In the video, it is explained as "finding" a square and circle of the same area. Which sounds like you could just say, "the circle has a radius of n and the square has a width of n*pi^(1/2). Solved. But instead, the challenge is to construct it with a compass and straight edge, which is of course a much different type of challenge. It could be that the language you used conveyed that and I just don't know it, but on first brush it seems like an important detail may have been left out.
You can try to regulate maths but it will end in tears ; p
It's a sin
+Osmorosvo Edwin was approaching this from the wrong angle.
sitearm mathS? With an s?
Yes, maths. Short from mathematics. It's a British English thing.
That's clearly Trotsky
That is absolutely amazing!
Good thing it was in Indiana. If it happened here in Texas, there would be no stopping it.
Probably not, but we're not too far from doing something so insane over here!~
Unless it was in Austin, if it happened in Austin, they would have not passed it, in favor of a different bill that declares that pi and all math is an oppressive tool of the patriarchy.
@@medexamtoolsdotcom Ha, my thoughts exactly.
Wow, I had NO idea. This was great, ty!
This is by far the best comment section I've come across so far and I did not expect to find it here
2:41 = savage
And so the Waldo franchise was born
But where is he?
It really satisfies me, that this video has 3.1M views at the moment
My favorite approximation of pi is 355/113
My favourite is ∞/∞
Lucien Grondin I like the cube root of 31
GamerGeek no...
My favourite is tan(90)
How about e^pi - 20?
"Imaginary" numbers are an unfortunate name for the "non-real" part of a complex number. Imaginary numbers do exist, just like pi and e and irrational and rational numbers, we just don't count things with them, really.
There was a time when 0 and the squareroot of 2 were considered to not exist for similar reasons.
Doing jokes about this, is as easy as pi
THIS GUY IS A GENIUS! DESERVES AN AWARD!
Thankyou for this video. We loved it. Lots of love, The Fulham Boys School. Especially Joel Sala.
Please solve those rubix cubes in the background
Erwin Broekhoven Rubik's cubes*
3.141592653..... wait a minute I'm not supposed to be commenting this. It's useless to know it.
3 and a bit is enough
3.2 yo
I learned 400 decimals of Pi, super useful for making people think you're crazy :P
Yeah but I learnt that the square root of pi is 1.772453851 which is far more useless
3.14159365358979323846264338
Engineer : Am I a joke to you?
Thanks, made my day
One of the most ridiculous stories of all time. Yes, only in Murica.
+Kanishka Ray it really is a perfect microcosm of the ol' Murica, isn't it?
And an american made everything better again. ^
If anybody asks, 144029661/45846065 < pi < 355/113, just so you know.
Coming back 8 years later to say that the video now has 3.2M views
the numbers of views this video has right now is 3.14 million
Can we get a transcript of those math puns? They saved stenography, I mean, they had to, right?
The video has 3.2 million views rn
*Edward:* Let us make Pi = 3.2!
*The Mathematicians of Earth:* So you have chosen Death
FYI for you Math Geeks, I do not mean 3.2 Factorial
"What's one fun fact about your state?"
" *WELL* "
Very interesting. At some point, in the last few decades, I recall hearing that Indiana had just passed such a law, not a hundred years prior. It didn't strike me as important at the time, and I'm pretty sure it was pre-internet, anyway. I wish I could remember the source. Obviously, whoever it was spreading this disinformation was entirely out of their depth.
Where's Waldo?
In an Indiana courthouse.
That squaring the circle proof is no joke. Pretty much any mathematics that appeared after 1800 is really tough stuff.
"More serious mathematicians like Ramanujan": the understatement of the century! (compared to Edwin Goodwin...)
Common core is the reason teenagers don't want to become mathematicians
As a teenager, I agree
Guys, I know all of pi.
P-i.
Thunix me too. 3.2
3.14256 blah blah i forget
Kiwitopia yay 3.14159 bla bla
3.14159265358979323846.....
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Great pigeon wallpaper !
another episode of what comes in my recommendation in quarantine
"Its a true story and its absolutely crazy"
Joey diaz: "back in '89..."
Edwin was born too early
He could have been the CEO of Apple.
Speaks volumes about that guy. He was so confident that he could solve a problem which had been mathematically proven to be impossible. And didn’t even know the correct value of pi
I would love to see a recreation of the politicians making fun and jokes for a half hour.
hmm. the current view count is *3.2* million.
Lol
This is why politicians shouldn't be in charge of anything, lol.
Everyone : Pi is infinite!
Some guy : It's 3.2!
Me : Pi is between 3 and 4 since the only whole number is 3.
Este canal me parece muy interesante. Este tema está buenísimo.