The Rig Vedic civilization was influenced by South India as well. The Rig Veda has dozens of Tamil words. This means Indian civilization is a mix of cultures that already existed throughout India by the time the Rig Vedic civilization evolved.
There's another possibility that the loan words got incorporated later on and substituted the actual Sanskrit words. After all they incorporated many laon words from oxan civilization without integrating with them.
Wrong Depiction .. 🙄 Whole Prevedic &Vedic system .. was bornt by the😳 The Puras are the kings .. 👑 Itself.. ( she pherd brishiters Terms it try bes .. cz they were the sue draw community 's by product belongings of then period people ) .. The one who wishes the prosperous of the king's & King's Dynasties ( people) .. are called Pura Hithas .. The whole so called Bramhin community was itself was bornt from the Puras king's Dynasties itself .. the modern days purohit s ..
Gana Jana jaina Gnana 🙄 Sounds .. similar .. Especially in the so called Indo European family of language s system .. like Gana pati ( the lord of the lords ) ..
Thank you for making a video on the rigvedic people, I learned new things about them especially the tribes you mentioned & I used to think that the battle of ten kings was a myth but it surely did happen. One more thing if the caste system or Varna system was implemented during the gupta period then how were the locals were treated or "governed" by these Aryan tribes before the gupta period , did they intermingled with them or kept a distance from locals?
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And good question. In the early Vedic period, they would have definitely intermingled. They (aryas) didn’t see themselves as the “masters” of the other groups in anyway. Of course, they would deemed themselves more noble, but intermingling probably happened. It is the result of this intermingling that a synthesis formed which would spread across South Asia. So in other words, they would have been integrated into Vedic society in some way.
very interesting history, honestly! thank you! I bet you can't find anything about the ancient Indian history in English in any other place other than your channel.
Ah, someone finally mentioned about Saraswati River. It's such an interesting topic to me like similar to Ganga Yamuna Valley or Mesopotamia which is bordered by Euphrates and Tigris. Indus Valley was most probably once too much more fertile region due to being between two major rivers Indus and Saraswati. It would be intriguing to figure out where exactly it used to flow.
Few mistakes in this video. Aryan really meant "us" with reference to the Purus/Bharatas while dasa/dasyu were not some ealier tribe native to India or inhabitants of Central Asia but a a term of abuse used for the proto-Indo-Iranians. This video is a mixture of OIT and AMT model with a confused picture on what's going on.
Thanks a lot for your feedback. Yes, I probably should have clarified that the aryans were not a specific race or people first. The term “Dasa” literally means servant or slave, but I’m not entirely sure by what you mean by a term of “abuse”. Could you clarify that?
@@simplyhistory1885 The term Dasa acquired a negative meaning in RV but in Avestan/Iranic langauges Dahae ( s>h) means somethiing positve ie people/man. Dahae is also a name of Iranian tribe. Dasa very likely had a positive meaning as preserved in the name Divodasa. Both Aryas and Dasas are native to India representing Vedics and Avestan/Iranic peoples clashing in a religious rivalry.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 Oh, I see what you mean. Dahae in Avestan, Daoi in Greek Etc. are very similar and some scholars have tried situating them near the Caspian Sea. When it comes to Dasa being implemented in names, it is mostly used less as a slave name and more as "servant". Like Divodasa for example, means the Servant of Heaven. Ramdas means the servant of Rama, etc. That is mainly the connotation with Dasa. Dasyu, however, is used in a much more negative connotation as a seperate people. So the usage of Dasa/Dasyu varies from area to area. But thanks a lot for your feedback and views on this topic :)
@@simplyhistory1885 No you not understanding. Let me explain in little detail. Both Dasa and Dasyu are used in a negative sense in the RV. Dasyu is nothing but Dasa + yu applying a diminutive form either an agent/noun. Dasa as servent is a later meaning in classical Sanskrit. The fact that Dasa and Dasyu is found in Iranians as Daha(man/tribe) and daŋhu/Dahyu(country) implies it had a positive meaning with got changed in RV. Other meanings of Dasa likely was preserved in Sanskrit ie To see, To know, understand propably from the root /dams. So Divodasa could mean Knower of the Heavens, seeker of the Divine etc. Likewise in Iranian the word Daha (man) could have the very same meaning as To see, to understand, as man could comprehend and understand things. This is just a guess with little data but could be the likely scenario. Therefore Dasa refers to all non-Arya (Puru) tribes/peoples to the West of the Bharata territory, ie Indo-Iranians and dasyu referred to a subset of the dasa people ie prestly/religious class since dasyu in RV is always discussed with religious connatation. Yes the Dasa and Daha are related. The Dahae, Dacians, Daoi etc in Central Asia suggest a migration of these trbes from India to West Asia. Indicating a OIT model which is not what you are suggesting. ie Dasas were supposed natives of India or original inhabitants of Central Asia.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 Your etymology of Dasa as knower or seeker is probable, But the Dasas religious connotation is just that they didn’t worship Vedic gods and didn’t perform sacrifices. Other than that, a connection to priests or a wealthy class is not seen in the RV. Also, I don’t see how this suggests a migration out of India.
You have done some fantastic research. I’m hooked for more 🙌🏼
The Rig Vedic civilization was influenced by South India as well. The Rig Veda has dozens of Tamil words. This means Indian civilization is a mix of cultures that already existed throughout India by the time the Rig Vedic civilization evolved.
There's another possibility that the loan words got incorporated later on and substituted the actual Sanskrit words. After all they incorporated many laon words from oxan civilization without integrating with them.
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Wrong Depiction .. 🙄
Whole Prevedic &Vedic
system .. was bornt by the😳
The Puras are the kings .. 👑
Itself.. ( she pherd brishiters
Terms it try bes .. cz they were
the sue draw community 's by product belongings of then period people ) ..
The one who wishes the prosperous of the king's &
King's Dynasties ( people)
.. are called Pura Hithas ..
The whole so called Bramhin community was itself was bornt from the Puras king's Dynasties itself .. the modern days purohit s ..
What an excellent video!
Good pace.
Good clarity.
Great summary and explanation.
Great vid
Based bro very educated
Gana Jana jaina Gnana 🙄
Sounds .. similar ..
Especially in the so called
Indo European family of language s system .. like
Gana pati ( the lord of the lords ) ..
Thank you for making a video on the rigvedic people, I learned new things about them especially the tribes you mentioned & I used to think that the battle of ten kings was a myth but it surely did happen.
One more thing if the caste system or Varna system was implemented during the gupta period then how were the locals were treated or "governed" by these Aryan tribes before the gupta period , did they intermingled with them or kept a distance from locals?
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And good question. In the early Vedic period, they would have definitely intermingled. They (aryas) didn’t see themselves as the “masters” of the other groups in anyway. Of course, they would deemed themselves more noble, but intermingling probably happened. It is the result of this intermingling that a synthesis formed which would spread across South Asia. So in other words, they would have been integrated into Vedic society in some way.
very interesting history, honestly! thank you! I bet you can't find anything about the ancient Indian history in English in any other place other than your channel.
Ah, someone finally mentioned about Saraswati River. It's such an interesting topic to me like similar to Ganga Yamuna Valley or Mesopotamia which is bordered by Euphrates and Tigris. Indus Valley was most probably once too much more fertile region due to being between two major rivers Indus and Saraswati. It would be intriguing to figure out where exactly it used to flow.
Wow you have great knowledge in this topics, and seems you're very young, whats your age and where you from?
Unfortunately I can’t reveal my age or location for privacy purposes, but thank you for the kind words!
Is vedic people lived in oxus civilization?
No aryans rode past the Bmac civilization
Pani/vani or vartaka or shreshti were jain people
Few mistakes in this video. Aryan really meant "us" with reference to the Purus/Bharatas while dasa/dasyu were not some ealier tribe native to India or inhabitants of Central Asia but a a term of abuse used for the proto-Indo-Iranians. This video is a mixture of OIT and AMT model with a confused picture on what's going on.
Thanks a lot for your feedback. Yes, I probably should have clarified that the aryans were not a specific race or people first. The term “Dasa” literally means servant or slave, but I’m not entirely sure by what you mean by a term of “abuse”. Could you clarify that?
@@simplyhistory1885 The term Dasa acquired a negative meaning in RV but in Avestan/Iranic langauges Dahae ( s>h) means somethiing positve ie people/man. Dahae is also a name of Iranian tribe. Dasa very likely had a positive meaning as preserved in the name Divodasa. Both Aryas and Dasas are native to India representing Vedics and Avestan/Iranic peoples clashing in a religious rivalry.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 Oh, I see what you mean. Dahae in Avestan, Daoi in Greek Etc. are very similar and some scholars have tried situating them near the Caspian Sea. When it comes to Dasa being implemented in names, it is mostly used less as a slave name and more as "servant". Like Divodasa for example, means the Servant of Heaven. Ramdas means the servant of Rama, etc. That is mainly the connotation with Dasa. Dasyu, however, is used in a much more negative connotation as a seperate people. So the usage of Dasa/Dasyu varies from area to area. But thanks a lot for your feedback and views on this topic :)
@@simplyhistory1885 No you not understanding. Let me explain in little detail.
Both Dasa and Dasyu are used in a negative sense in the RV. Dasyu is nothing but Dasa + yu applying a diminutive form either an agent/noun. Dasa as servent is a later meaning in classical Sanskrit.
The fact that Dasa and Dasyu is found in Iranians as Daha(man/tribe) and daŋhu/Dahyu(country) implies it had a positive meaning with got changed in RV. Other meanings of Dasa likely was preserved in Sanskrit ie To see, To know, understand propably from the root /dams. So Divodasa could mean Knower of the Heavens, seeker of the Divine etc.
Likewise in Iranian the word Daha (man) could have the very same meaning as To see, to understand, as man could comprehend and understand things. This is just a guess with little data but could be the likely scenario.
Therefore Dasa refers to all non-Arya (Puru) tribes/peoples to the West of the Bharata territory, ie Indo-Iranians and dasyu referred to a subset of the dasa people ie prestly/religious class since dasyu in RV is always discussed with religious connatation.
Yes the Dasa and Daha are related. The Dahae, Dacians, Daoi etc in Central Asia suggest a migration of these trbes from India to West Asia. Indicating a OIT model which is not what you are suggesting. ie Dasas were supposed natives of India or original inhabitants of Central Asia.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 Your etymology of Dasa as knower or seeker is probable, But the Dasas religious connotation is just that they didn’t worship Vedic gods and didn’t perform sacrifices. Other than that, a connection to priests or a wealthy class is not seen in the RV. Also, I don’t see how this suggests a migration out of India.
The Sâhnâma is not Middle Persian, as it is from the early Islamic period.
You are right, apologies for that