Air Gun Ammunition Pellets and BBs Information : American Airgunner TV
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- An extended American Airgunner TV Round Table discussion and information about Air gun Ammunition including pellets and BBs for airguns. Rossi Morreale, Tom Gaylord, Rick Eutsler, and Jim Chapman discuss the different shapes, weights, and calibers of airgun pellets. Topics such as competitive target shooting, airgun hunting, big bores and small bores as well as alloy vs lead pellets are covered.
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Thanks to Umarex USA for making the publication of this video possible!: www.umarexusa.com/Ammo/ - Sport
20 yrs ago you would not beable to find 4 people who are very enthusiastic and knowledgable about airrifles and pellets. Wow youtube has become the best thing yet to happen.
I don't know how many times I have seen this video over and over again but every time I feel like watching it first time. It's so damn good to learn from the experienced guys around the table.
I just discovered this channel. These round table discussions are great! Thank you for doing them. Getting all that knowledge here at one place allows for a great learning experience. Thanks again guys!
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I have been using domed pallets ever since I was 14 years old, I'm 57 now, they worked like a charm then and they work like a charm now.
Probably my 5th round table, and you guys saved me money and mistakes! Becoming a real air fan man.
Great subject on this video. But I wish you would show the pellets more so we knew exactly what you were talking about.
thank you for you videos, my boys and myself enjoy them, thanks again for all the information.
Just discovered it! Really liking it. Thanks! Going through all the videos now.
Another great video for us new guys! Thanks for sharing this knowledge!
Excellent and useful discussion. Congrats for the guud job. Keep it up guys!
Thanks 🙏 guys you need to zooming 🏎 in a pellet when you explained
This would be a great presentation to many lawmakers and legislators to educate them on air guns
Love these videos. Informative. 👍
Awesome info, especially in 2019/2020.
Thanks guys. Very informative!!
great information...thanks!
Guys, I usually find American review and explanation hard to watch.
Be it word or phrase difference between countries I don't know!
sometimes it seems like it's an advert not a review. This has been
an eye opener. It explains how to choose and why you should buy quality over quantity.
I Thank you for straight forward to the point no crap reviews. If you still read comments. This video
let me know if there is others on this type of subjects. Thanks
Great video!...thank ya fellas
Amazing knowledge at that table thanks. You all need to try so Daisy’s for pesting and plinking distances out to 50 and at speeds around 900 FPS. For $7 for 500 the beat bang for the buck. Gamo Red Fire I think are what their next step would be if they put the tip in and locked it in. Both weigh the same without it and both are made in Spain under the same roof. Effective, massive expansion, accurate, clean and high quality. Awesome deal in my book and after shooting around 10- 12,000 of them over the past year have become my go to pellet. The forgotten Gem that nobody ever even mentions.
Totally agree. The hollow point 1s when u can find them r the best. Not sure how, they look like trash but shoot so dang good. 10yrs ago they were everywhere now they r hard to find. Damn COVID
I solved the problem of a box full of pellet tins quite simply. I use empty baby wipe plastic containers. The bigger ones that are like 5" wide by 10" long or so. Shaped like a white plastic loaf pan with a snap lid. They hold a lot of tins of pellets and stack like dunnage containers on my metal wire shelf in the man cave. I also use them to contain small, spare rifle parts and such. Very handy!
As a newbie, I love these discussions. I learn a lot. I realize this video is 3 years old. However, the camera pans out so far I can't see what you guys are pointing at. I'm buying a Gamo swarm .22 tomorrow. For the price, it's the best fit for what I want. Ground hog control for work and ground squirrel shooting for me. I am very attracted to the magazine aspect. I'm trying to learn all I can so I can have a better understanding of what is completely new to me. Maybe you could revisit this topic? Seems like airgun technology is growing in leaps and bounds however, I am seeing how this topic will be relevant for a very long time. Thanks.
Excellent,, Thanks for the info, experiences,,
Our pleasure!
I have a crossman t4 nitro piston break barrel .177. Impulse buy and best walmart had to offer lol. Im impressed it actually shoots 12-15 grain slugs really well. My old daisy 1000 springer break barrel cant even push a slug out of the muzzle.
Slugs from a springer? That’s impressive
Good job airgun guru's 👍
I like the plastic jackets with a copper core. Quite a price difference from your regular lead pellet but I think they are worth it.
Good discussion. :)
Bought me a Sig MCX airrifle. Thought I'd buy RWS Meisterkugelns for it cuz they having such a good name (bought a whole pack of 10 tins while at it.. :D )..
Well. Turned out that they were not good for that particular rifle at all. Had lotsa jams. Started shooting inexpensive Gamo Match wadcutters with it - cuz those pellets are also easy to find everywhere here in Finland. Has worked without jams ever since. Shoots approx 2" groups on 20 metres. Enough for me - but after this video, I would like to find and try out some more quality domed pellets with the MCX, just to see if the grouping would actually reduce in size..
And the 10 tin pack of RWS Meisterkugelns? Not money poorly spent after all. They are awesome pellets for higher powered Umarex pistols with the 8-shot rotary magazine. I shoot Meisterkugels with my Walther CP88 Competition and the Desert Eagle. Gotten some good small groups with those. :)
Try out 15.89,18.13 JSB or 16.0 upto 19..0 H&N. I've tried shooting crosman 14.3 ,1/3 as accurate. Spend the cash on quality pellets& you'll save$ n long run. Gamo junk amo. They had 1good pellet .22grain.
Hi guys. why is my Bobcat MKII .22 do not like JSB jumbo monsters , the 25 grain ?
I think the shape of these pellets are not made for the smooth twist barrel .! I tried at full,- medium and low power. results bin hopeless. at 35 yds they spinning away 2-3 yds from target !!!!! thanks for answering.
Looking for bit of imformation if possible what kind of pellet would be able to smash threw a double glazed window threw 2 pains of glass and how would i tell thanks
I like how the one guy uses "magazine" and "clip" interchangeably
I am using a new Shockey Steel Eagle. I am not getting a consistant grouping. Fly aways (3 to 5 inches off center) Scope is tight and not the issue here. I think its the ammo. Premier Hollow Pts. Is it possible that the barrel lock not seating the same every shot? I feel no play, but I don't think it would be noticable movement even with a small minute change. Help?
The sample packs are a great idea. However, if you buy the Gamo pack, all the pellet weights are the same. The only difference is the type of point. (wadcutter, hp, conical, etc.) Which is great if your gun likes that weight of pellet. The ones with the asst. weights are much better.
Question though, would a sleeved pellet (for example, proetheus, and crosman powershot penetrator) behave like the so called conical bullet?
Dimas Akbar yes they would because theres no parachute effect
do aloy pellets actually expending??
Question for those more savvy out there - I have a Crosman Diamondback Nitro gas piston rifle in 5.5mm / 0.22" - it is very variable regarding accuracy at 50 yards (Niko 4-12 x 50mm scope) I get the best results using the RWS Super Field or Super Domed pellets 15 Gr. - Super Point are terrible they are always firing low and left and cannot get decent consistency. What sort of grouping would you expect to be acceptable for this rifle at 50 yards? I can get it to about 1 inch at best, some of this is down to me, some is down to the trigger which is horrible, so how much is down to the pellets? What grouping do you expect from a gun like this - break barrel? Sm I expecting too much to get 1/2" at this range? (gun is fired from standing position, on a rest with a soft support underneath - I also find that accuracy is also very dependant upon how I hold / support the gun with my hand under the front stock - any pressure or tension here makes it much less accurate. suggestions welcome, pellet recommendations too - RWS is probably the best pellets here, but I might be able to get the Diablo's but maybe they are a bit on the heavy side, thanks!
JSB Hades are my preferred pellets.
I shoot Beeman R-9's in .177 and .20. On my indoor range, whatever flat-head or "wadcutter" pellet delivers best accuracy is fine, but I'd rather shoot outside, and for that, I want the ballistic coefficient (BC) to be .020 or higher, so the choice becomes what out of choosing from Beeman FTS, Crosman Premier, JSB Exact, or others known for high (by pellet gun standards) BC. High BC = less drag, higher velocity retention, flatter trajectory, and reduced wind drift.
What would happen if you were to run a typical bullet shape out of a .22 springer? would it be too good a pellet and lose stability or would it simply be just a better pellet?
+Shayne Foster It is already invented and they are not accurate at all. Do you mean for example the H&N Rabbit Magnum or the H&N Piledriver? No way, rely on diabolo shape pellets, mostly domed but sometimes pointed or hollow point, who knows in advance?
I have the SNR357 Crosman Snub ... GAMO for Pellet and Hornady for BB... (Self Defense) .177 ... I was told it will shoot just about anything ... Strategic...
Big difference from being told something and testing it yourself. Proof is always in the pudding. Every airgun is different, even among the same model.
I always hunt with hollow point 22 cal pellets... rabbit and squirrel mainly
I love crosman destroyers.
Okay, okay, so SERIOUS question then, guns that are dual ammo, like the Umarex SA10 or the GAMO PT85... should we NEVER shoot standard 4.5mm bb’s from these guns? Or is the rifling special to allow both ammo types? The Umarex SA10 for example; has a Rifled Bore. 20:22
Harder rifling I think. But I have the daisy 880 and have shit both for years with no lose in accuracy so I think it's fine
i bought 2,000 rounds of Vortex Strike .25 cal pellets and learned very quickly to shop around first, I had to clean every one of them individually so far because the lack of quality control by that company. Every pellet has lose/semi lose shavings in the skirt whereas JSB may have a couple but overall very good quality, with Vortex Strike finding a good one is a rarity.
no air guns like PBA rounds... theyre worthless. theyre too light... way too expensive... and too loud. and as you said... tin is very hard on the bore of your rifle. if you want to use non lead ammo... use those ones that are steel encased in a plastic jacket... those seem to be decent. ive been told that Predator also makes pretty decent non lead rounds too.
just make them out of validium.. its a non leaded metal harder then lead.. uses to make mechwarrior figurines :-\
Well the crsman 760 likes pba. Amo
Can you shoot a bullet shaped pellet out of the Ruger .22 cal Air Rifle ????
Hey guys, I have quite the question and I'm hoping someone can help me! I will be purchasing a 22 caliber discovery soon and am hunting around for the optimum pellet grain to use (I intend to hunt rabbit, and like-sized small game). I realize that there is a point after which a heavier pellet does no additional good on a given power plant, so I suppose that's my first q: What is the heaviest pellet I can use on a disco while maintaining enough velocity for a clean kill (bc I was itching to try the 30 grain H&N Piledrivers or the H&N Rabbit Magnum II @ 24.90 some grain)? My 2nd question is, alternatively what is a good standard average grain pellet for the powerplant in the disco as my lighter grain or everyday pellet (as I would like to have this "standard" or lighter pellet for velocity and a much heavier albeit effective pellet)?
the best weight will be the pellet which comes out of the mussel at 900fps. this is the maximum stable velocity.
any sugestion for sharp innova air rifle, made from indonesia ?
Get the Sharp Innova made in Japan.
Do those pellet tube dispensing things come in .25? I've only ever seen them in .22 and .177.
+TheZombieburner Only .177 and .22 that we've been able to find.
@@americanairgunner a good idea to create. Lots of us .25 cal hunters would love it.
Round ball for hunting? Any tips? Is it recommended or not?
Great question. Too bad no one answered it. They didn't even discuss balls.
I shoot a large male squirrel at 20 yds. on a wire, hit him on the spine drop him instantly using an RWS .22 wadcutter pellet that opened a large open cavity that severed it's spine !! wadcutters are effective at shorter ranges & has equally or more devastating impact on critters at this range!!
Accuracy is the most important parameter. The rest is all secondary.
I had a funny thought after reading of hunting small game with a .22 or .25. why not use a Abrams main battle tank? Excellent sights. Good long range gun. If cleaning isn't n issue, this is the gun 4 this guy!
NEED TO SHOW CLOSE UP FILMING WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PELLETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been told that anything above 10grains is bad for a springer .177 caliber. is that true????????
Negative. More powerful springers like heavier pellets. Check out the huge selection at Pyramyd Air: www.pyramydair.com/a/Ammo/Airgun_pellets/384/calibers_0_177
Pellet not leaving chamber after I've fired..what's the problem??
Sounds like you may have a messed up seal, either at the barrel or in the piston. Same thing happened with one of mine, and it was a piston seal.
Where can I buy JSB or H&N instore? what store sell these pellet?
+Tri Nguyen Great question, but our go-to is www.PyramydAir.com
+Tri Nguyen PyramydAir.com like AA said or Amazon. Sometimes, Amazon will have them when PA won't.
Can you shoot slugs from a hatsan hercules bully 30 caliber??
Don’t know...never shot it. You should test it and let us know.
@@americanairgunner ok I will put some thru it and let you know
Do they make a .223 for an air rifle?
It is the same as a .22
Piledriver pellets sweet spot.
RWS works good in my break barrel
Always good to test pellets.
@@americanairgunner totally agree
I enjoyed the discussion and concur, round nose are by far the best, although there are some that say straight sided pellets are coming on, keeping velocity for a tad longer than the normal shuttle cock designs, though to look at they are still a waisted pellet just not as pinched as a normal diablo.
Never hear you pop gun guys mention twist rate what twist do they run
What about hallow points? I thought they were good for hunting?
Oops. SHOOTER3258
Only on Halloween
Mackbros24 I like the RWS Super H Point from my .22 Diana 350 Mag. Hit hard at shorter / normal airgun ranges to about 50m, on rabbits.
this loading penn is not useful on a fixed barrel like HW 77 ++++++
By the way; I think Gaylord is a very fine name.
Tom Gaylord shore does know the DOME shape!!!
I have 5 guns. 4 ,177's n 1 .22. Mine, 2 gamo hunters 1250 n extreme, I use 4 targets. My r-11 the same, my rx 2 .20, forgot that, will shoot 50 n 100 yrd target. Point is, Even my big gamo's (2 heavy 2 hunt,same with rx 2 n r 54( n were meant as target guns. Never meant 2 hunt with. No complaints. #justsayin
21.31 best part for me.
New to air pellets guns , juat got a ruger elite .177 cal. as a gift it came with a box of .177 pellets and a box of .22 cal. pellets so my question is can i use both of them with the ruger elite .177 ?
you can only use .177 in a .177 gun. Save the .22 pellets for when you get a .22 caliber air gun.
Thank you SnowroxKT
Yip i got a few mix pellets 😆
And you didn't talk about round balls.
I love them and they travel farther than pellets.
Not as much drag, but are they as accurate at distance?
@@americanairgunner they are more accurate, because they don't fall short like pellets do
Ok basics.....
anyone else really frustrated by how wobbly the "round table" is? just stuff something underneath one side PLEASE
I like wadcutters and domed. The cheaper the better for me and they always shoot true which is straight up luck in my case. All my guns like them cheapos
funny how things change. 20 caliber is history bigger is better .30 and .35 gaining popularity
Gotta disagree on the issue of hollow points not really working in air rifles. My .357 Benjamin bulldog pancakes hollow points or completely rips them into pieces.
Lol Ive always choose pointed pellets to this day.I thought they will fly the best.
They shoot the worst but fast n good penetration that's it. Never r they good. I thought the same till I shot them all
Why did you have to add emphasis on Tom's name like that🤣🤣
Weight for me as in women
huh?
8:40, thats not true at all. Its accurate, but its going to destroy the gun. From Texan, the LSS cant shoot pellets. They are underweight and act like the gun is dry firing. You can lower the tuning on it and shoot that pellet at 1000fps. So I call BS on that answer.
I disagree with you if you got a raccoon at close range and you need a pellet to take that raccoon now and you're using 177 a lower velocity gun then you need a hard pellet that can penetrate the skull
Get a .22 airgun or beat the raccoon over the head with a low power .177 just kid.n a heavy pellet at least 700 f.p.s. At no more than 20feet. Find out foot pounds it takes to kill a raccoon.match pellet weight & f.p.s. =foot pounds . Or find out if gun will punch hole at roof tin. Hope this helps u & rocky racoon.or doc it's only a scratch.L.O.L. (The Beatles)
@@joeibrahimi6009 12fpe it will take
Gaylord :D. imagine growing up with that name!
I bet he can fight
Alrguns
Yes, airguns!
I shot pigeon with 177 With hallow point at 55 yards in head,it dropped him down but he wasn't dead it fly after 20 min any idea why....??
It is possible that you hit a glancing blow to the skull without penetrating to the brain. If this was the case, you "knocked him out". There is quite a bit of the head that won't kill an animal. You want to try to sink the pellet in the brain for a fast clean kill. This is my guess, I've had it happen with pigeons, Guinea fowl, hogs, and coyotes over the years.
+americanairgunhunter same thing happened when I shot squirrels with hallow point,they just won't die! But when i use pellets that have point they drop immediately!
I thought hallow point is better when hunting and more powerful....
I use a round nose pellet for almost all applications, they are heavier, penetrate well, and are generally the most accurate. But if your guns shoots well with field points, they would be a better choice than hollow points.
+americanairgunhunter thnx 4 ur help I truly appreciate it!
I'm a beginner so anything helps.
As sales of Spring piston guns fall n bottle guns increase, this medium is becoming a sport 4 the rich.
GAYLORD!!
can fingerprints be identified on BB s and pellets? just curious.
What you up to???🔍☎️🚔👮👁⛓🔮❓🛂
Yes but not the whole print. I thought about this myself. Lol but on pellets
ship fedex we care
You should always be worried about what your skirt looks like
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i have a cheap gun that likes to shoot expensive pellets 😕 and an expensive gun that will shoot almost anything well 😂
Great video but cleaning the barrel out very well with a bore snake before testing pellets in the gun should be discussed at the beginning of the video.