Top 7 Airgun Misconceptions
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2016
- There are a lot of airgun misconceptions that seem to be floating around. In this extended Round Table the gang discusses the top 7 airgun misconceptions, why people believe them, and why these misconceptions are wrong.
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So I literally just bought my first break barrel Air gun. And I am trying to watch any and all videos I can to help me out. I want to get into small game hunting. This channel is helping me out immensely.
Same. I got a Crosman Valiant .22
Same here! Just started shooting my webley and scott VMX D Ram in .22 at 20 foot pound / 800 fps wich is ideal for small game hunting.
(Wich is basicly a Hatsan Striker)
I love it. :))
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I bought a cheap hammerli break barrel, and it was excellent fun, i shot rabbits with it, squirrels, rats
I have moved onto a pcp now, an air arms s510, but i haven't been out anywhere to shoot yet
Love these shows
Great video guys. I love the round table, it is Awesome, thank you for making these videos, I love them!
Just got my Predator Xtreme magazine and another great article on airguns plus finding A.G. On here, it’s a great day for me. Thanks for sharing this video. And I immediately subbed!
Hi .. add to all of that .. some ppl think they can shoot 300 yards with a springer .... even worse ... they think they can do it with the scope crosshairs on the target and the gun is zeroed at 25 YARDS😢😢😢
best section of the best airgun show on CZcams. I wonder why you guys don't get more views...
Cheers from Brazil!
The real "American Airgunner"! Keep up the excellent work!👍🇺🇸💪
The Air Arms TX200 is a beast of a gun I'm still using mine and it's over 17 years old.. had its first service last week.. now that is what you call a well built gun...
The recoil is sweet and easy to get use to.
I'm now using a hw100 st and as much as I love it, it is very easy to shoot and I find the spring guns make you a better shot once you know the gun....
No matter what you will never beat practice...
Round down range and time behind the gun is what makes you a better shot...
Valuable information 👌.
Oh, and Mr Jim Chapman. If you get contacted by a guy from Michigan named Mike Avery, host of a hunting radio show here in Michigan, it was me who contacted him to contact you to see if he/you will do show segments talking about the capabilities of airguns. Maybe you can talk the state into letting us use airbolts on big game in Michigan, where crossbows are legal.
will Mistress Gretchen allow you to have a pellet gun?
I have learned a lot from these guys, (being a yearling with break barrel airguns), and I figured out a couple of things on my own. 1 thing I figured out is a less expensive break barrel with a slightly sloppy pivot joint/wedge lock, (Like my .177 Benjamin Titan), can be very accurate with the right pellet, (JSB diabolo exact heavy 10.34gr. is the right .177 pellet), even to 75 yards and further. You can close the barrel more precisely than just shutting it, and hit bottle caps @ 75 yards from a door jam. Try this Rossi man: After you close the barrel, grab the stock and the muzzle in a way where you can force the barrel closed, while wiggling the barrel from side to side. You will feel it tighten up and stop moving. Bump the gun, and you have to do it again, but a cheap .177 break barrel can shoot 1.5" groups at 75 yards shot after shot. My tightest group so far at 75 yards, with 3 shots, is .600" center to center, (which may be a record for a break barrel, I don't know). Yea, I was amazed also to say the least. The gun is super hold sensitive at 75 yards, but it is capable if we are. I can now say, "20-30 yard accuracy tests? Pffft, Why?"
I like it. Good tips and valuable to the average airgun owner.
I think the importance of quality scope mounts are often overlooked as well.
I hold onto my springer firmly but let it recoil. If I truly go "artillery" hold my trigger pull tends to throw me off. I think my trigger is about as light as it can go too.
Oh and LOCTITE EVERYTHING!!!!
That's one of the reasons I did a trigger job on my Benjamin Titan NP. It breaks ~1.5 pounds. There really isn't much deflection if I just grip the stock well as I shoot.
Please i need information about which 1 a goodwill more the ataman or edgun ????
Very interesting topic and video. Thanks for thiis one!
I have an "inexpensive" Crosman Shadow .177 break barrel. Came with a cheap scope and mounts - just as the guys were talking about. :D Shoots lika crap with the scope - but shoots very nice with the open iron sights. The orig mounts are crap, or then just plain wrong, because the mounts do not even place the scope right on top of the barrel.. But.. that is what you get when you buy cheaper stuff... :D :D
Revisit after (apparently) 3 years..
Still got that Crosman Phantom.. Still has the cheap og scope and mounts - but it has done well. Not used iron sights for a long time now, since got the scope and my shooting stance to work well together. Has pushed out them 1g Gamo G-Hammer pellets way good (while the guys in the vid talked about using heavier ammo in well performing air rifles)..
Very helpful
I have a crosman vantage with a spring ( not the nitro piston ), and I love that thing. I call it a point and click. I point it, pull the trigger, and it hits whatever I am aiming at. For a 75 dollar gun, I really believe that I have a winner.
Fred Farrell Productions i have the crosman optimus (spring version) and it does the same
$75? You have a weiner.
I just love 22lr I have Henry lever action, Ruger American Rimfire bolt action and Ruger 10/22, 90 % of the time I shoot them however I bought it resently Umarex Octane Elite in 22 and I also enjoy shooting air guns too, but I found that only rws pellets work well, I bought gamo pellets and they are an absolute rubbish. With rws field I hit on same hole over and over at 25 meters, and at 50 meters still I got very small groups but with gamo ones is just horrible, all over the place. I love watching your channels although I m more 22lr guy
To install a gas ram, do you have to compress it to get it in? Looking to do a Theoben Gas Ram conversion on an old 90's BSA Supersport.....
at some point you'd have to compress it a bit to get all the parts back together...but it's easier thank it sounds.
I never use the Artillery hold as shown. I just don't grip the forestock tightly, nor do I pull the rifle into my shoulder. None of that. Held loosely, but gripped properly. My .22 Striker 1000x shoots hole-in-a-hole @ 25yds with CPHP's. Similar when I use my bench bags. I fill them to the max with those plastic pellets. They act like thousands of ball bearings inside the bags. I use the rear bag on top of the front one and hold the rifle as previously described. Or with my monopod Trigger Stick.
How abut you use gas blowback pistols and battery operated asult rifles
I'm new to air gunning, and just starting in hunter field target. I started out with a light artillery hold, but have found that a firm left hand hold and a light right hand trigger hold improved my accuracy. I'm using a Gamo Silent Cat, 4-12x hammers AO scope, 10.6 grain Kodiak match pellets and shooting sticks. So I'm wondering if there are exceptions to the "loose artillery hold" rule?
the statement that you must use the artillery hold is a golden rule and just like all golden rules there's exceptions to the rule, but generally your usually better off with the artillery hold...... but not always :-)
+lanky mk
And I wasn't a shooter before I picked up an air rifle, so I had no pre-conceived hold before. I actually read about the artillery hold and started there. I only tried a firmer left hand hold by accident and noticed a tighter group. I'll try both again to make sure there is not something else in the equation that I'm missing.
Yes
@@philiphepler like they said,i shoot a heavier pellet,gives more stability,an "air gun rated scope"any scope wont work,ive destroyed some nice scopes before finding this out,and i have a Gamo silent cat bull whisper with a UTG 3-9x32 air rifle scope with H&N hunters,my sweet spot is holding it just before the hinge,not squeezing it but rather laying it in the cup of my hand just to support it,i came from deer hunting rifles,shotguns hand guns though and kinda brought that with me to an air rifle and it just doesnt work,whole other learning curve with patience and a calm demeanor and just enjoy the simplicity ,also have an AIRFORCE CONDOR ss,pcp, 22cal and its another learning curve,simply put let your gun tell you how it wants to be shot
Got a original Benjamin 397 before crossman bought them out very accurate compared to the crossman version that I also own just bought a Benjamin Maximus PCP with Benjamin 3500 pump cleaned up the preservatives in the barrel by far the most accurate air gun zeroed at 30yds and one mill dot up it puts pellets hole for hole at 50yds shockingly accurate dropped jaws at the firearms range
Why can't I find a lever-action (Cowboy) style rifle with the higher FPS of most other guns? Same thing seems to be true of handguns. While I mostly punch holes in paper targets, if I invest in something I prefer to be able to hunt small game with it and prefer as much punch as possible. Any thoughts?
+trike rider The Walther Lever action ( www.umarexusa.com/Guntype-Brand/Air-Rifles-Walther/Walther-Lever-Action-Black.html ) will shoot 630 fps with a new CO2 cartridge and has great accuracy. It would be okay for small pests like mice and rats close range. Otherwise, look at under lever springers, because these are always at the ready and will provide the knock-down power you're looking for: Walther LGU or RWS 460 Magnum are both good options.
+American Airgunner Thank you for taking the time to provide some suggestions! i will be looking at the guns you mentioned.
+trike rider Also the Air Arms TX200
Air Arms TX200, the best springer on Earth. You can hunt rabbit, squirrel etc no problem.
Thanks for the suggestion; I'll check it out.
What would you say is the best buy in a .357 PCP?
What would be a good scope for gamo swarm magnum 100-150 dollars trouble free your preference ? Gamo scope done broke cross hairs ?
Walmart $39, bought several over the years and never any gone bad, yet.
Personally, I am a big fan of the Leapers SWAT scopes. Side parallax adjustment, mil dot reticles and very reliable in my experience. The 3-12x44 is a very popular model: www.pyramydair.com/s/a/UTG_3_12x44_AO_SWAT_Accushot_Rifle_Scope_EZ_TAP_Illuminated_Mil_Dot_Reticle_1_4_MOA_30mm_Tube_See_Thru_Weaver_Rings/3493
Keep in mind that you'll need new rings though. Get a 30mm one piece mount like this: www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leapers_Accushot_1_Pc_Mount_w_30mm_Rings_High_11mm_Dovetail/827
The accuracy Is base on your capacity to compensate on handling the rifle and clear eyesight. But if you add more accuracy you must a good barrel and Power. 2nd Is you learned the Wind direction and atmospheric pressure in the area. Scope is only helping to add efficient to see the target clearly than the human Eye. Its because scope can be change any time if you dont know much and handling of your scope thats why you must practice more about your scope not your rifle.
What is the rifle on the table? Hatsan?
Its a Walther LG something or other, made in Germany
Side Levers rule ! Problem is, they aren't very popular and I truly believe, not as abundant in retail or sporting goods stores as Break Barrels.
dunno, about the fall off thing.... that only happens when the psi in the tank is below the psi the valve lets into the chamber..
witch should be around 800psi if its a gun that can also take co2 .. like my tippmann a5 paintball gun..
This ain't paintball. My Hatsan Flash QE behaves exactly as they described. You can polish and tune your way to a better consistency, but nothing beats a regulator.
Sooooo....lol what happened to Umarex Hammer....... and we really won’t miss it now that Airforce has made a new Texan in .50 cal. What do you think;
Im still waiting for a manufacture to make a .22 Co2 semi-auto pistol that would be expectable for close range pest control. (starlings, mice, chipmunks.) even if you could only get 20 shots before switching the Co2 id be ok with that.
+Craig Banach Sig might...they do currently have the MCX in .177 with a clip fed semi-auto action and full weight and size...so we can hope for a .22 one day. There are a few pricey semi-auto PCP air rifles out there as well...but no semi auto pistols that I have heard of being worked on currently.
Craig Banach The Sig MCX has arrived!
yes, but I want a pistol a replica pistol so I can carry it in my holster when out hunting. so I have to for close range squirrels and chipmunks. I know there are some .22 pistols but not a semi-auto co2 .22 cal my have to get creative and make my own.
Craig Banach a while ago I saw a CZcams video of an after market multi shot breach for the crosman 2240. The only limitation was that it was made for .22 call lead roundball, but they are still fine for shooting pests.
you wont find any in a pistol.. the problem isnt the propellant... its the lil 2 inch barrel on most of those pistol's..
you need a barrel of 24" to get co2 to put a pellet up to that kinda velocity :-\ or get a potato gun with a real short barrel an at 10 fps the weight of the projectile is enough to kill lol...... (I managed to nail a squirrel with a softball :-)
The belief that under-levers aren't more accurate than break barrels is interesting. I'm sure that's possible for the first few thousand rounds, but it sure seems that after 7-8K most break barrels don't have much for accuracy unless sent back into the manufacturer for fixes. Just my experience.
GunTotinMinnesotan horse shit
What happens if you dont bleef the valve on a pcp pimp before disconnecting
odd are you won't be able to disconnect it, but it could snap back and hit you...HARD
One misconception is, springers are for plinking pcp's are for target practice, and live rifles are for hunting, no, no and no, all three types do all three jobs
In fact, even if i had a firearms licence, i wouldn't take a live rifle out hunting, a friend of mine had a 22 rimfire, i had a 22 springer, we went out doing pest control on jis land, he drove my 4x4, we parked up, engjne off for 5 minutes, i shot from standing in the sunroof, i dropped a few rabbits, we would move to the next field
We swapped over, and the first shot he took scared all the pests within a 3 mile radius away, and we called it a night, from then on, we only took springers out
The pests were used to the sound of a 4x4 after a while, so we wwre shooting on the move, really enjoyable
The only proper way to tilt a scope down is with more expensive adjustable mounts. Just to say it should point down will let people put in shims under the rear ring and that put stress on the scope tube and ultimately damage it. You should have given a proper explanation.
I disagree on the power/velocity ratings. If you buy a 600hp Porsche you expect 600hp at the crank. If you buy a 1100fps rifle it should be able to achieve the velocity with some weight of pellet otherwise it’s hoohaw.
Agree. Power rating on the FPS side of things are generally based on the lightest pellet on the market.
what gun is on the table
It's a Walther LGV. www.umarexusa.com/products/walther-master-ultra-177-cal
you should put links to any products featured in your video. "this gun" doesnt give me any info
Ha!! They don’t make that gun anymore…links provided when gun is available. Thanks though.
my rifle is s heavy 'I am thinking about mounting it on my riding mower like a tank lol
you're funny. Your comments make me laugh.
What a coincidence. I just happened to start a business for carrying heavy guns for people thru the hunting field.
Okay .but then I have bring a pillow /blanket /and picnic basket ..carrying that rifle is a lot of work and you might have to rest .and have a snack .
You have to build a tater cannon for that.
It needs to be able to move like an artillery piece
HW97k in 22 cal is more accurate than most pcp’s
no it isn't.
All my break barrel airguns are nail drivers. Hatsan 125/.25 , crosman summit ranger .177, gamo big cat 1400 (paid $63 new, couldn't pass it up) and soon an octane which will be fine as well ;)
Is that host drunk?
All the time.
HAHAHA....Classic!
Gaylord is KING
The old.guy is.clueless.on barrel.droop. you do not.turn the.turret down to try to match the barrel droop if you.are.shooting low.
IMO he is one of the sharpest guys in the industry on you-tube. But I would not understand him if he ended a sentence with a period every 2.7 words on the average, which can't be a sentence. Us old guys lived before the sabotage of common core education. You should sue your education system.
Can you guys touch on the subject or misconceptions about silencers and or moderators for air guns....how they work and why isn't Uncle Sam stopping the use of them on FAC air guns
true bright we dont have fac in the states except in certain states. the atf ruled that airguns could be supressed as long as they were fixed or not detachable without having to get the stamp.
The first time I shot an air rifle I took down crow at 10 yards with a multi pump pnamtic air rifle with only iron sights because the scope was terrible and cheap.
most you guy's on here do paid advertisment!! then do a review of a air gun sent to you you'll say a totally different thing!
Host appears intoxicated in each show. Or at least unstable.
Gary Gallant , shoot airguns all day, bullshit with three fingers at the table....good life.
Tom Gaylord 🤣
Well...A good springer will cost as much as a decent PCP such as a gauntlet. And has none of the springers quirks. Not say don't buy a Springer just saying..
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Jesus Christ he is the way the truth and life.
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@ekim andersom your talking about the Catholic so called Churches. Fella I'm talking about your creator and the one who will judge you based on your life. Heaven or Hell ? it's your choice!
Jesus is King!