On Ice test with CCM Hockey Skates 100K Pro vs FT4 Pro vs AS3 Pro
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I skate AS3 Pros and 100ks...they are almost identical in profile. You can play any style in any of these...It's 100% fit and feel. Everything else is just marketing. I don't find AS3 Pros to be remotely "clunky."" They are stiffer with less padding (still comfortable)...that's it, and as far as the tongue being too big or stiff...swappable. Not trying to sell anyone, but it would be a shame if someone saw this and wrote off trying them because of those comments. I also skate in 2xPros...also great, but nothing fits my feet like CCM "regular". Why so many skates? Well...been playing for six decades now and have 2 artificial hips. I'm playing or coaching 5-7 days a week,and rotating skates and flex profiles helps me do that. If it matters...my game is agility and power about equally split. I'm 5'9" 165 lbs. That's my take...FWIW.
To clarify...by "profile" I'm referring to size and shape...not flex.
Same. I'm skating the AS3 PROs and find them extremely comfortable and weight wise, there's really not much difference between the other models in the comparison. It's a stiff skate, I'll defintely second that, but it also depends on your weight (I'm 95 - 100 kg ~ 210 - 220 pounds) and find that most players in the AS3 PROs are of similar weight. I'm going to try out the new models tho'.
@@andersborum9267 Just found your comment and was looking at the 100k pro's or the new AS-V Pro's. I've been turned off by so many people who say the AS3 Pro / AS-V' Pro's are too stiff, but I keep forgetting that they may only be too stiff for light weight people. I'm a decent skater and come in at 6'4 230 lbs. Do you think people of our size and weight are more at home in these stiffer AS3/AS-V models? I'm also more of a straight line, power skater who plays D and uses that straight line speed or a couple of quick hard strides to get separation, help with defensive zone break outs and to join or lead a rush.
@@noupf69 I think your size would def make you the right candidate for a very stiff skate as long as you have been on skates for 10 plus yrs...I'm 6ft 190 and leaning towards twds the 190 stiff model which are 850$ instead of 1400 after tax so it seems like the way to go for me.
What would you choose between Ribcore 100ks, AS5 Pros, Bauer Mach Supreme or Bauer Hyperlight.
Thank you so much for this video, as a person who was looking at all these three skates as a possible purchase, i was patiently waiting for your video comparing these three for so long now lol
SAME!!
Glad we could help. Follow up video is coming after more time in each skate.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial when’s that video coming? I’ve got a pair of 100k’s and ft4 pros coming in this week. Gonna try them both on but can’t take both for test runs. I’m struggling so hard to choose!!!
@@brandonboyer5355 You ever try both pairs? I have FT1 ones now that are just a mess and I need a new pair of skates. I don't know if I want to get FT4s or the 100Ks... I was a long time Rebook pump user so the 100Ks seem tempting after watching this video.
@@kingdbag yeah I’ve been in Ribcors for a couple years. They’re my favorite. I’ve worn the 100k’s and FT4’s. Can’t beat the heel lock in the 100k but it’s not comfy like the previous iterations at all. FT4’s heel lock is still fantastic though. I think the FT4’s are more comfortable but if you like being really over your toes 100k is better. But go a 1/2 size up. The whole line is a 1/2 size short.
Thank you so much for making this. I used to use Bauer Supremes but I switched to CCM because of the fit. I have a pair of CCM Tacks 9080 and I thought I liked them but after watching this, I never realized how clunky and stiff they are, I thought all skates were like that. My style of play really emphasizes on speed and agility and I'm a small guy so I'm going to try a pair of Jetspeeds or Ribcors.
Yay!! Waited so long and finally here.
I picked up the ft4 PRO’S but I really like the look of the 100k’s
Always hard to compare skates because physically we are all different. Which one fits your game, my game? A tendon guard is a tendon guard. Not a critical point of performance. What is necessary is a cross section of players. A forward saying it’s a defenceman’s skate. Ask a defenceman... maybe. I play defence and chose the Jestpeed. The whole concept of, “Personal preference” nullifies any review. I still support the channel and feel it’s often more informative than most but I must point out the limitations of any reviews.
spot on with this comment! a lot times we want the best or optimal or best looking for what its worth but you really just gotta be honest with yourself and choose for fit and feel
hell yea been waiting for this video
Without the baking they must feel weird. I have Ribcor 100, before baking strange feelings, after baking fantastic. Indeed so much easier skating in CCM than in Bauer. I do not know why.
Hey Chris, thanks a lot for doing this videos! Do you think you can do the same with Bauer skates? And the maximum would be if you could compare the characteristics between Bauer and CCM... Cheers
god bless this man for being able to fit into all 3 fits
ummmmm, CCM has a new fit system and they even said he used all the same fit.....
@@yeetuspeetus6598 Even more the insane to me
It’s all subjective isn’t it? All three pairs are top high end skates. My 11 year old son used FT2 during last year and up until December this year. The Jets then became tight due to growth, and there was 65% discount on AS3 PRO so why not try? He totally loves them. Better stance, firmer strides.
Hourses for courses as they say.
Thanks for your videos.
Could you do a Bauer version
100% coming!
I love how the CCMs look but Vapors in the fit 3 fit me way better than the wide CCMs they were surprisingly narrow considering that's the widest you can get
even the tacks wide?
I want to see speed test with one player, same distance, same skating style :)
Thanks for the review, it’s been a long time coming.
Interestingly enough based on the previous videos 100ks are the heaviest of all, but were ranked second in terms of lightness. Just another testament to the well known fact that it’s not grams that matter, but how the skate feels on the foot!
I was hoping for more in-depth dive into agility vs speed comment since it repeats CCM’s marketing pitch without explaining how it really translates on ice?
Was the difference in stiffness between 100k and FT4 noticeable? How did it affect the edges and overall responsiveness?
Agree.
We wanted to keep this one fairly light and to the point. Detailed video is coming after both Tommy and myself have at least a few games and scrimmages in all skates. It would be total BS if we tried to do that after just a couple of hours in each skate. Trust me, long lengthy videos are my favourite haha... its coming!
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Sweet! Exactly the type of vid I need right now. Subbed.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Thanks for putting in the effort to test the skates throughout, looking forward to the on-ice insights vs repeating marketing blurb. Hopefully it's coming along and we'll get to see it soon!
Thanks for the review. I’m a fan. I was expecting a little more out of the review and more details from the skater. No criticism but perhaps doing the video again with another skater might yield a more expressive review. The AS3 Pro are certainly not “clunky”. Actually quite the opposite. More fitted and contoured to your foot all throughout the boot. Certainly the stiffest compared to the other two models. I find them to offer Explosive take offs and top end speed.
Yes, the skater seems very.. “peaceful” lol.
didn't know Tommy was so gangsta with the tats and everything
I have been a Bauer fan for many years skate well with the supreme line, however the new jet speeds are pretty sharp
I'm still rocking my Nike Air zoom from 24 years ago....I want a new pair but still undecided....appreciate the videos you do....I'm getting closer
Thank you for the video Chris! Do you guys still have plans for the follow up video to this one or is it in the works?
Hi I am looking to buy a pair of either supreme 3S or jetspeed FT485. I was wondering if you have a suggestion on what is the better skate. I’m 6’4” 180pound
What did you end up getting? I was interested in those two as well but went with Vapor 3X in fit 3 the CCM in wide weren't wide enough which surprised me cause that's the widest they come now.
@@owenrivard8832 I went with the FT485, it is a great skate for the price, love them so far, I went with them because I am able to switch out the tongue
@@jasons4954 good choice!! I’ve worn 2S and 3S and they didn’t fit my foot even after the bake, it’s an unbalanced boot there’s absolutely no support! I’ve been using FT475’s and I love them
Been skating the ribcore 70ks in size 4 EE. Love the skate but been blowing out the holders. I end up with spiral cracks in the holder and just cracked my third set of holders. .... went to the store and was thrown for a loop because ccm / Bauer changed their fit systems and the store doesn’t even carry the ribcore line. .... not sure if a stiffer boot would help me stop blowing out the holders. .... any recommendations for a narrow heel and wide forefoot ?
Awesome info! I play inline hockey in Maui and using 9370R skates, not sure if AS1 is worth to upgrade
Hey man, is this the league bedard joined in 2017?
If I am used to Jetspeed f6 pro in size 9 regular, do you think I should go with the size 9 in the Ccm 100k or should I go smaller or bigger?
Are these two models (ft6 PRO and 100k) the same length wise ?
When will we get a bauer verison of this video
he's knackered
I don't think he is a morning person.
I said he was Lit as well.
Hi Chris, could you make an updated base layer video ?
Some years ago I bought the Zenkai Sports ones after seeing your video, but I think they had issues with the fabric or sewing because they broke really fast. I'm now looking for good base layers again.
Thanks !
No reviews seem to point that CCM took a huge step backwards in the offering of the footbeds in the 100K vs the 80K. In the 80K you got the carbon yellow footbeds which are comparable to those after market ones valued at $50-60. In the 100K you get a garbage $1 footbed...
Bought the 100k to replace 2x pro and loved it immediately for the amazing mobility. I wore them for a few weeks and decided I wanted a little more support. Bought the FT4 Pros and I’m in love. Best skates I’ve ever owned, so comfortable. I even tried putting the 2x pro back on weeks later and it just felt uncomfortable and unnatural. As a Bauer guy all my life I was shocked, the 100k and FT4 pro just feel Natural.
This is the comment I’ve needed to see. I’ve been Bauer my whole playing career too and I’ve been scared to even put on another pair of skates. I guess I’ll have to try some CCMs.
@@nickbruce5658 yeah, I was shocked. Odd thing on sizing for me is I can wear a 10.5 fit 2 in Bauer but the width of the toe cap on the CCMs caused me to size up to an 11.5 wide in the FT4 pro. At least with the upper end CCMs you’ve got 90 days to try them and return them🤷🏻♂️ good luck!
@@DP-hn6rl nice! We’re same fit in Bauer. Maybe this winter I’ll go check out something different. I love Bauer but i feel like my last couple pair of vapors just haven’t given me the response I’d like out of a skate. I appreciate the information!
@@nickbruce5658 further feedback. I’m actually in the same size as Bauer with the CCM now. The top end CCM from any family adapt incredibly when baked and fit like a glove. It’s just so much better. Ended up back in the Ribcor 100k size 11D
@@DP-hn6rl this is confusing: 3 weeks ago you mentioned 100k didn't provide enough support so you jumped into FT4 pros and were loving them, but now you're back into 100Ks? nice to be independently wealthy and own all top of the line skate ;)
But these boots all have a different cut so even in the same size/fit they do fit very differently so I'm wondering how is it that you're seamlessly switching between all these models? And what the story on stiffness/support?
You guys are going off the marketing of the skates (i.e. speed, agility, power) when they are essentially just 3 types of volume. Any type of game can work for any of these skates. It depends on your foot shape, and pronation angle. Ribcors are a little bit different though and I am not surprised that he liked them the most because they are designed more for comfort than they are performance, and without breaking in any of the skates, the ribcors will feel the best for sure because they are a lot softer. Trust me I'm a skate expert ;) literally.
Very valid point! As the saying goes "it's not the car, it's the rider", if it was just as easy as strapping a different pair of skates on to completely changing the skating style then everyone would do it. Matt Barzal without an argument is a very agile player and also the winner of the fastest skater event last year so he's def quick! But he's not in Ribcore or Jetspeed - he's in AS3 Pro.
Also as I commented above each skate line does fit quite differently due to a difference in how each boot is designed to flex. And the fit system didn't change it, it's naïve to think otherwise since just trying different lines on shows it!
Exactly. the 100ks are incredibly narrow compared to the jet speed it’s a wider fit. My foot couldn’t fit in the 80ks. But I feel really good in the jetspeeds
The ribcores are a wide fit, and the jetspeeds are a narrow fit. But im not surprised that you might think that, the overall shape of your foot can make wide skates fit narrow, and visa versa. Ribcores tend do fit a half size to almost a full size shorter and feel a little stubby in the toe box. Whereas jetspeeds have a more narrow boot, but the toe cap is a lot wider.
@@bostonbolles9365 I hate a wide toes and That’s probably why I think it’s narrow
Yeah that would make a lot of sense, I wear ccm tacks, but my foot is narrow and my forefoot is wider.
I do not know if there’s any correlation but from what I’ve seen slower powerful players use jetspeed skates , agile flexible players use supertacks stiff skates. I guess opposites attract
The guy at 0:50 is stoned AF😂
Now im really unsure about my size.. if he has a size 7 as an adult how do I have a size 8 as a 14 year old girl, plus im size 38 in europe. Are my skates too big?
Lol AS3 Pro a defencemans skate??? Tell that to Bergeron, TJ Oshie, Tavares to name a couple. It’s about what’s right for you, grouping them into what you think is not an accurate reflection and unrealistic. At the non NHL level the difference is very minimal as to what you can and can’t achieve in any of the ones you mentioned
Are ribcor generally tighter fitting than Ft4? I'm looking for the best heel lock. Skinny ankles ans fairly wide forefoot
Jetspeeds (ft4) are generally the tightest heel lock.
Soz but he looks and sounds high
High on hockey gear
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial haha love the vids still
I seriously envy people who can fit into regular width skates. It has been an absolute nightmare finding skates that fit.
CCM has a new fit system where you can wear any one of their boots
@@MrMitchywoo I know. I have yet to try the wide fit. Once I'm able it'll be a matter of having a shop order them since nobody in this area carries anything but regular.
I have a very wide foot an AS3 EE fit me very well. I did need the thin tongue option.
@@austinholthaus1525 I have some 9380's in EE. Half size too big. But need it for the forefoot. Barely just too big I'd probably be 8 1/4. However the boots are not deep enough. Main issue.
Every skates was 7D or 7 Regular. Chris What size bauer vapor hyperlite has your friend?
I'm still rocking my 2014 Super Tacks, and I love them. But I can't help but feel like they aren't the right skate for my position. I usually play on the wing, and the Super Tacks are so stiff that I feel like they have almost no give for me. I'd be interested in seeing how the 100K's feel for me.
I think those are more for defense idk tho because the racks stick is meant for defense
Ft475 ccm are good great fit and not stiff I love mine
Nice Bauer outfit while testing the CCM skates😂
Chris,
Can you help? I know you get asked this all the time, but I’m 6”2, 93kg and have just started skating with my kids again. I skated all my young life consistently and I’m still pretty agile, fast and powerful and can do most of the daft stuff I used to do. I cannot afford £500 for skates at the moment, I’m looking at Super racks 9370 (155 stiffness) or Tacks AS570 (150 stiffness + 1 piece boot). What should I go for? Because of my weight, do I need that extra 5 points in stiffness? Or am I better with the one piece boot? Kinda like the look of the padding in the older ones. Just want the most support and longevity I can get as well as better performance. Coming from CCM 600’s which I must have gotten in 2004. They just aren’t up to my level and are holding me back.
So did any of the ccm range take the hyper lights off the top spot, thank so much was looking at the ft4 pros now considering the 100k both suit my style and position on the ice
Looked like the blade wasn’t locked in on the AS3 Pros.
I went with the AS3 Pro because in an earlier video you picked them as best new product, also because of the great deal , $650 new off ebay.
I've never played hockey before, but I'm going to start this year. I'm 6'0 280lbs, I'm just guessing but I think stiff/power skates are prob the way to go just off my weight alone. I am surprisingly agile for my size, in my younger years I was airborne infantry 200lbs and very agile. I wonder how much of an agile skate I could get away with pushing 300lbs?
A softer boot can gain you agility in the sense that it might allow for easier ankle mobility. You definitely will sap some power and sacrifice lateral support though.
As a heavier beginner, I'd go with the stiffest boot that fits your foot. You can gain ankle mobility by tweaking your laces (flex ankle forward when lacing the top). And lowering your blade profile radius (say from 10' to 7') reduces the amount of blade contact with the ice which allows easier turning/increased agility.
As a beginner, I started on AS1s at 200 lbs. I weigh less now but still love them and haven't had any issues. I never found them to be clunky but maybe those claims hold more true for those who prioritize edgework, constantly manipulating their ankles, over acceleration/power.
You need a stiff boot. A soft boot wil not feel nice
I want to know which one Chris likes best because I feel he is at the same level as me.
I'll do a little video about this :)
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial You could do a one hour video if you want and I swear I would watch it.
Are Ls1+ steel blades any good?
For recreational skating?
Watched this while eating some ribs, great vid.
Anyone need a super high volume skate, wait for the as-v pro. Was able to try them on this weekend. I require a very high volume boot, the as-v pro might have gone too far in the high volume. I felt as they went further than nexus for volume. I’m typically a ee and fit a regular in as-v pro. Bought the ribcor 100k pro, feel like slippers when baked.
You didn't like 100k Pro?
I've only used AS1s which I really like other than not minding a bit more padding. Curious about what I'd gain or lose by going with a softer boot though.
Or maybe I should try to pick up a clearance AS3 Pro to rotate with the AS1?
@@davetechme depends on your skating style and how they feel. I was a tack guy for a long time. The 100k pro felt best with the new fit system.
Well this is weird, seeing you at my local rink without even realising haha
what skate would feel just like the vapor fit wise
Trolling CCM with Bauer pants! Love it! Lol
always try the boot on and walk around a bit when getting new skates, just because they look nice doesn’t mean they always feel nice ;)
Thanks!
Very interesting, thanx!
I finally made the upgrade from old Bauer x500s to CCM FT485 after seeing this video, just like night and day so glad I made the jump
@matt REPA are the ft485 fully mouldable like ft4’s?
@@danielabramov887 yes they mould really well when they are heated they seemed a lot more flexible than my
Old Bauer skates. The only upgrade I would suggest is the CCM Orthomove Insoles. The standard ones are not that great
What skates do you recommend for me. I need a size 3.5. I really wanna start ice hockey but I’m not getting much better cus the skates I have now. Please reply with a link with skates you recommend. Big fan of your channel. Also not too expensive (under 250) 🙂
So I recommend as someone who’s skates 10+ years and have fitted tons of skates the jetspeeds are a wide fit and not stiff overall good fit and fit the foot really well. The Tacks are also a good skate but you want to make sure you’re foot is as comfort ale as possible. If you’re foot isn’t comfortable than don’t get it. The ribcors are a very narrow fit, so if you have a wider foot it might no work. I’ll tell you right now do NOT buy the supremes or hyper light skates. The boot is unfinished and it doesn’t properly mold the foot. I’ve noticed when I watch people skate. The boot is so stiff and it can’t properly fit the foot. The most important thing is make sure you like the skate and it fits :)
A thought .. if Tommy ranks the 100K as the top of the three models, why is he skating using the FT4 Pro model in later videos?
Sponsorship? Here in Canada, some competitive leagues and teams have deals with manufacturers.
That looks like Cambridge ice rink UK
Modern skates seem so much higher...? 🤨
Those step blades are +4mm from standard 17mm height.
tommy with a jetspeed stick?
Why wouldn’t you have them all baked as well… dumb not to do so
the ft4 has very bad arch support, super tacks idk much, and ribcore (its ribcore not ribcor) 100k pros are really comfortable
You guys screwed up by playing that goofy music at the beginning, rather than letting the skates speak for themselves on the ice. Now THAT’s music!
Radko Gudas in 100K Pros would like a word 😉
100ks are by far the best looking IMO
i have the As3 pro , and I know EXACTLY what you mean by they are very heavy clunky and stiff. It’s just, not good 😂
Could you ever test entry level performance skates no one without a contract can afford 800 dollar skates
If you were the height and weight of a proper adult, would your assessment change?
homie is zooted 0.58
get this guy some adult sized hockey socks, wtf is he wearing them half up his leg for
Ye early
I played hockey over 30 years. Bauer over CCM all day long. Talk to another player and he'd say the exact opposite. Most guys I know skate Bauer! Anybody buying another brand like let's say Nike was just flexing there parents wallet.
Anyone an idea how much the profiling of the blade changes those Shoes. Because they all seem to fit certain playstyles but what if sb. Liked a shoe Best that doesnt really fit his style but changed the Profile to his needs. Any idea what has more significance and why? @HockeyTutorialOfficial
It's not the skates it's the skater for the most part
Could you review true skates?
I’ll tell you right now the true skates are really good! I’ve seen people skate in them it fits your foot perfectly. It’s not stiff, and it is the perfect skate