Problematic F1 Cars - 2015 Mclaren MP4-30
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2023
- The Mclaren-Honda F1 disaster of 2015 is an interesting one! When they originally announced they were going to be leaving Mercedes to get back in bed with legendary engine manufacturer Honda, poised to make their Formula 1 return in 2015 with Mclaren, it sparked a lot of interest. But it may not have went the way everybody thought.
Through pre-season testing accidents with Fernando Alonso, to 4 back to back DNF's, the teams worst scoring season in their history, Honda's terrible reliability and more, there's certainly a lot to talk about.
This was supposed to bring Mclaren back to the top, it was supposed to put Mclaren back onto the podium and back into winning form. What went wrong?
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Dude's rocking that Vettel cut 👌
Pace is stored in the curls
All he need now is a head band
Well if a movie about Sebastian Vettel ever comes into production I vote this guy to play his role 🤣
Seb’s long lost cousin
The work that Toro Rosso made with Honda, allowing them to experiment and have demands for the chassis team also helped Honda make great progress during the 2018 season, and that's what convinced Red Bull to go with Honda in 2019.
looking at where Honda engines are now, can say, the Toro Rosso/Red Bull partnership was blessing for Honda + for sure huge boost of confidence.
I remember back then people were clowning on TR's switch to honda.
I never once doubted it. A RB with it's own engine sounded dangerous back then (and we're seeing it live rn), TR being the testing ground for Honda was a genius move.
@@PaladinNL5 it makes perfect sense for Red Bull, and was a relatively low-risk decision. Honda are capable of producing something good, and Toro Rosso is a good team to test things with without compromising Red Bull's own results. Perks of owning two teams, I guess..
It affected Toro Rosso's results, but the benefits outweighed any short term losses in points. And TR is financially safe, anyways, so it's not like underperforming for one season would jeopardize its future.
@@tuffmanchannel unfortunately second cars was always unlucky too
@@mrjdmtunerboy.1463 what do you mean?
what’s crazy to me is that honda was PAYING mclaren to have their engines in their cars. Wild.
They paid Alonso 50 fucking million a year
@@TheNoisyBoy and yet he still frustrated as all hell
@@GameOver-nm2us the money becomes secondary, they're all still competitors at the end of the day and they want to score points and wins
Mclaren: “We’re never gonna beat Mercedes with a Mercedes engine.”
Aston Martin: *CHALLENGE ACCEPTED*
They’re still behind them in the constructors though
@@FormulaOneFan98that’s because of stroll though
@@Hal9023 Aston Martin fell off
@@lukealvarez3744 They really have, but I'm just trying to pretend they aren't.
Great video as always, goes to show how horrendous the car was if even Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button could only manage 27 points between them. It's good to see how McLaren seem to be back on the up again though, as they did super well in Austria and Silverstone, I think they've now managed to make the car competitive, and as we saw today definitely able to fight for wins in the right conditions. Plus, the Norris + Piastri driver pairing is clearly elite, Alpine lost out with Piastri.
McLaren are still recovering from this car, despite their race win in 2021, 2022 and the start of 2023 was pretty rough on them. That being said given the day's events (2023 British GP happened on the date this uploaded) hopefully they gain a more stable footing with these new regs
I think their car will come good now until the 2026 regs. They are afterall the only team running a RB concept so they have a great platform to build on
I mean, they went from Merc, to Honda, to Renault, then back to Merc in such a short time, each time making compromises. The merc engine basically didn't fit properly in thier initial designs for the 2021 car, surprised they managed to make it work as well as they did and do relatively well, but they were also making good momentum with the Renault power unit in 2020 finishing 3rd...
Personally I think it was the 2013 car that they have never recovered from. The 2012 car was a race winner and good but they needlessly went for a big redesign with the 2013 and it ended up being a lacklustre midfield car with zero podiums, let alone wins.
The infamous GP2 engine😂😂
Yep 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mclaren can only blame themselves. By refusing to readapt the sidepods, they severely limited the development margin of the Honda PU
The driver were so good they managed to get 20+ points in that shit. Today the last 3-4 teams of the grid can't do it either.
This channel is a gem, keep up the good work!
This channel is very underrated. So glad I ran into it. The Problematic cars series is great.
I knew this would be a good car to do a video on, but you blew me away with this one! You’re pretty good at this 😮
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Crazy how underrated this channel is🤨
Please make a video about Aston Martin! Love your content btw!
Great video.
Great vid
What's crazy is that McLaren didn't send any specs of the chassis to Honda so they had to wing it with the engine size and when both teams found out the engine housing was too small for the engine, McLaren told Honda to rebuild and undersize their engine rather than rework the chassis.
I remember watching a documentary on this - when time came to put the engine on the chassis, the mountpoints and screws wouldn't even fit
This car was hilarious at the time. They'd be fuel saving from lap 1 and hoping for the darn engine to hold up long enough to just complete.
The first two years of the Hybrid era were hilariously unpredictable outside the podium typically being filled with 2 Merc drivers.
I fully believe if a team showed up with an engine as bad as this today, they'd score zero points all year.
Nice video, maybe consider adapting the lighting of your facecam. It seems kind of too bright at times :)
Good video
I mean winning teams do stop winning. Just look at McLaren from 2012 to 2013. It can all go away just like that.
It's also worth noting that in 2014, when McLaren had the *best power unit on the grid,* they barely managed to finish 5th in the constructors' standings and third out of the four Mercedes-powered teams, only 26 points ahead of a Force India team that had something like a quarter of McLaren's development budget.
Alonso lost so many peak years with that horrible McLaren Honda
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Hey Jonny, how about next in this series the Williams FW20? First winless season for Williams in 10 years, despite actually retaining their World Champion (something they hadn't done since 1983) and basically the beginning of the ongoing downfall of one of the most successful teams ever.
👀I’ll keep that one in mind!
@@jonnyf1 Gonna be great if you do it. Love!
RedBull-Honda: Hold my beer.
What’s crazy about mclarens 2017 car is that it was possibly and definitely the best chassis on the grid. So mclaren managed to figure out what to do with it but got held back by the engine
The sheer irony of Mclaren currently beating Mercedes in races, using a Mercedes engine.
I have the same calendar
McLaren is fully to blame for this fiasco. The stagering results that Honda and Red Bull had together and the mediocrity that McLaren has been since 2018 are testament of that.
4:26 thanks dad
Would’ve been the ultimate shade if Alonso soured a GP2 car and set some better lap times.
I wouldn't put it past Alonso's skill
If mclaren didn't fuck up forcing the size zero chassis I think Honda would've been a lot better a lot quicker
4:00... well look at Mclaren this year.. okay they have a long way to go but that car on some tracks is faster than a Mercedes
They should have stayed patient.
We have the same calendar
I have it aswell, think he needs to turn it over though 😂
"Guys there's a reason why winning teams keep winning"
You do realise that this was mostly the same team that was fighting for the title just 3 years earlier?
It was so pretty tho
Cool gp2 car
the WORST F1 car in the last 20 years and the worst mclaren car ever, thats for sure. What a disgrace of a car
shame that such a beautiful car is under the skin is not what it is on the outside.
Even F2/F3 right now still faster than this McLaren GP2 Engine.
if Honda made their return with Red Bull instead of McLaren Vettel would have never left or Ricciardo would be a champion by now.
calendar says june in july
Fastest F2 car ever
Ummm confused. You said at the start of the vid that the car on the second day of testing managed over 100 laps after honda parts were replaced with ones mclaren made over a year before. That’s makes nooooo sense. Mclaren was using Mercedes the year before mclaren doesn’t make engine parts etc. the Mercedes engine was a different design than the Honda as well. So how did parts made over a year before for a Mercedes powered car work easy on a totally new totally different car with a totally new totally different engine and new different engine manufacturer????? Honda probably didn’t even know a thing about the final design or setup over a year before that moment which means mclaren sure as heck didn’t know!! ! And why would mclaren who doesn’t make engines at all be making or researching engine bits or anything related to the engine in the first place???? Remember Mercedes-Benz was the best engine on the grid and they made those parts for mclaren the year before so why would mclaren waste time and money making their own version especially knowing honda was coming next year with a totally different design and setup?? I mean even the gearbox would be different to the companies. Did they rig a old V8 or Mercedes V6 mclaren to take a Honda engine or something??? Is that what you meant??? That statement makes no sense related to the Honda engine!! The first day when they only did 7 laps did non Honda or non drivetrain related parts fail big time and that’s what they replaced?? If so that’s got nothing to do with Honda. I’m just confused and what it clear thanks
The Problem in F1 can only be that Hamilton guy as hes just been to fast all the time and makes the others look slow
Red Bull would complain the same as Mclaren if they joined with Honda the same time as Mcl did.
They publicly criticised Renault which helped them won multiple titles. Imagine what they would curse Honda if they used those early Honda engine (the "GP2 engine").
They just ran out of options after divorcing with Renault so decided to go with Honda, and they lucked out Honda finally got their act together.
Respect to Alonso for saying this at the Japanese GP. His remarks finally made a difference.
"During editing I learned that...." you clearly didn't do much research then. That is one of the most important factors of all and is extremely well known.
If you're gonna have an F1 related channel, should really learn about F1..!!
But he mentions it and the info is in the video. So if you could, please just stop fucking bitching about it.
Even alonso said GP2 engine
czcams.com/video/b6l6x0f3-x8/video.html yeah, ofc, unless you are Williams.....