The Worst Premier League Team to Survive
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For a long time, 40 points was assumed to be enough for a team to avoid Premier League relegation.
In reality, it’s nearly always possible to survive with fewer. But which team has won the least points and still managed to survive? Who is the worst team not to have been relegated?
Seb Stafford-Bloor explains, Craig Silcock illustrates.
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Stayed up with Barrow on 25 points on football manager last week. Smashed the record
25 points 😂😂😂
How????
@@JohnBaillie18 Preston finished on 21.
Sunderland finished on 18.
Norwich finished on 17.
that was one unbalanced league for sure
@@lufetm spurs won the league so it was a very strange season
I can remember when Hull City had a fantastic start during the first half of the 2008/9 season then they went into drastic freefall and hardly won a game after Christmas yet still managed to stay up that was pretty crazy
Sounds like Southampton last season
I think they only won 2 of their last 19 games
When Hull beat Arsenal that season the hype was real
They briefly went joint top of the premier league at some point as well. The whole half time team talk on the pitch when they were 4-0 down to city plus teams figuring them out is what saw that spiral down
Sounds like leeds
Can you do an episode on what you might consider to be the 'toughest' run to a Champions League title? I would argue that Inter defeating the defending champions and champions of Spain (Barcelona), the champions of England (Chelsea) and the champions of Germany (Bayern Munich), denying Bayern their treble and completing their own in 2009/10 would sure be up there - at the very least one of the most underrated European titles ever.
Barcelona in 2015 - Man city, PSG, Bayern, Juventus was also tough
If Only Atlético Madrid won the finals... in 2015-2016. They faced Barça - Bayern - Real (lost on penalty's)
I would add united in 99 to the debate: Bayern Munich & Barcelona in the group stages, Inter, Juventus and Bayern again in the knockout stages
Chelsea 2012
I would put Utd in 1999 up there
There were in a group with both Bayern and Barca, faced Inter in the quarters and Juventus in the semis before facing Bayern again in the final
Even their FA Cup run was insane as they faced Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal before beating Newcastle in the final.
That 6-0 thumping away at Fulham still haunts me to this day. Still find it hard to believe just how bad we collapsed
The bizarre thing was that even though you lost 6-0 you would have stayed up if the other teams had lost
Norwich losing away that season wasn't unexpected. They hadn't won away all season but to lose by that much was pretty embarrassing
I believe that was the day I saw riots outside Craven Cottage, just to the right of the away stand. Riot police lined the street and went towards Norwich fans - and this was before the final whistle - who retaliated quite violently albeit briefly. It always surprised me that I never even saw it mentioned on any media channel, though.
>we
And Dean Ashton should have scored 2 before we scored!
You forgot to mention that WBA played Pompey in that game and us Pompey fans were actually supporting WBA that day because we had nothing to play for and if they won it would send the scummers down. Then at the final whistle both sets of fans went on the pitch to celebrate. My mate swapped his Pompey shirt for a WBA one and he still has it to this day.
One of my all time favourite away days 😅
2004/05 definitely one of my all time favourite seasons. Jose's first at Chelsea, Rafa bringing CL success to Liverpool, Rooney's first at United, Everton with their best season under Moyes, Bolton absolutely smashing it under Big Sam, a great collection of players across the whole league and one of the best ever relegation battles.
Bolton being in league one yet Brentford, Bournemouth and Luton in the prem is a travesty
@@Csnich96 Luton will never be normal, lololol. Good for them tho.
@@Csnich96it’s not a travesty those other clubs just aren’t good enough
Bolton did have an interesting team back then! Former Real Madrid players like Hierro and Campo, Jussi was a great keeper, Okocha was quite flamboyant, Speed and Nolan in the middle, then the physical Davies up front.... Thought Djorkaeff was in there that season, but seems he left the year before; he was great. Big Sam definitely did squeeze every bit of talent out of them...
In the last match day of 2004-05, West Brom did what some of us are trying so hard to do in FM: to save, simulate and then reload the save 50 times in order for 4 results to align. 😂
Only cheats do that
Lmao
Funny that Kanu looked a bit past it at West Brom but then had a resurgence at Pompey and helped us win the FA cup in 2008.
‘Future Fulham legend’ is a bit odd… Gera is a legend for the baggies too…. He’s a huge fan favourite at the Albion!
And in his own country! I have had the chance to meet him, and let's just say apart from the whole team who were there(Ferencváros) no one had that much of a line before them as him, he is truly a nationwise legend of the past years!
Tito finally feature us and it's "the worst team to survive" 😂
football heritage 😂
At least we feature.
Lai's gunna be copyright striking this unless he gets the ad money
At least it’s not the best team to go down like some other clubs
Bit of a harsh title. Should be moreso the most exceptional final day survival
I remember that 04/05. That last match against Portsmouth was hilarious. We were all celebrating as Southampton were relegated and we stayed up.
Yeah and apparently you lots were shaking hands at some point during the game, pompey were letting you guys score. Must've been a fun day for you lads
Portsmouth fans were even chanting to their players to let you guys score. They had nothing left to play for having already secured survival, and they just wanted Southampton down, especially given the circumstances with their former boss Harry Redknapp (though ironically he returned to Portsmouth for a second spell just seven months later)
@@kcxy06 That result really looked suspicious to me. As if Pompey went into the lockers at half and saw that if results held So'ton would stay up so they decided to throw the game. Comeuppance for this was Pompey getting damned near relegated out of existence a few years later.
I'm a WBA fan who lives in Portsmouth now. Whenever I am seen in my shirt, people often mention that game to me! It's still fondly remembered on the south coast too!
@@quickaston3167 While it's hard to argue that Pompey probably weren't playing at 100%, 'pompey were letting you guys score' is ludicrous. Both goals came somewhat late in the game and... if you were to quickly watch the highlights... you'd see that neither goals looked suspicious or 'a given'.
Bryan Robson was an Albion legend too. That's what got him the job basically.
West brom are a team who dont usually see a lot of spotlight we're always middle of the pack, average, never any stand-out players, but the club means a lot to the people in the west midlands. Its especially upsetting that with our new owner the club is basically bankrupt and with the last of our parashoot payments finished i fear this year we wont be able to improve our squad and it wouldnt surprise me if we suffer a relegation into league 1.
We’ve never claimed to be a big club, however we have a rich history and have a lot to be proud of for how much we’ve overachieved.
At Back of the pack think you mean
As a Villa fan I'd love it if you came back to the Premier League for the derbies.
Looking forward to the end of Sandwell Town
@@marknewbold2583 why? Because you know you’d always lose to us? 🤣
1:39 you can hear him laughing a bit at that 😂😂😂
How do you even catch that? I didn't even notice till I saw this. 🤣
@@wattsonbutt6121 his voice wobbles a bit at 1:44
Yeah he couldn’t believe he just said that 😂
Kevin Campbell played an immense role in '05. Was made captain deep into the season, one of the most influential players to have ever played in the Prem. Outstanding character
Bit of a stretch that is 😂😂😂
@@user-dq6se6er8j He came in mid-season and pretty much single handedly kept Everton up, scoring 9 goals in 8 games. In terms of influence when arriving at a club, Campbell was fantastic for two clubs, both at the tail end of his career.
Great shout this. Super kev is a legend.
@user-dq6se6er8j not really if you know the game. It's all not about having god-tier talent. I'd rather have lads like Kev, Dennis Irwin, Michael Tonge and Park, than the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane or Messi. You're getting 8s out of 10 at least in every game, with flawless attitude, leadership and application
As a Portsmouth supporter there was a theory that Portsmouth made sure west brom won the last game, as in doing so it meant Southampton ( our bitter rivals) went down
James Keene and a crocked Ricardo Fuller started that day - Perrin DEFINITELY wanted to help send the scummers down! 😂
Lee Hughes signing for prison FC will be remembered for generations
I feel like this somewhat glosses over our own history with respect to some of the players mentioned. "Future Fulham legend" Zoltán Gera played twice as many games for West Brom than he did for Fulham, across two spells, and "Former Manchester United midfielder" Bryan Robson started his career with us and made over 200 appearances before he joined United. Both are Albion legends in their own right, and I think that context would have added to the video.
Totally agree. Zoltán Gera is as much a WBA legend as a Fulham legend.
Both moved to bigger clubs to play good football
@@Zhainn It might be because football fans had commonly acknowledged him as Fulham legend. However though, if I were to choose, he was more fitting to be a WBA legend than Fulham.
@@marknewbold2583 Back when Robson left Albion were actually A Top Side with the likes of Cunningham, Regis, Batson, Cantello, Big Ron in Charge he left with Big Ron to go to United
Played In the same Albion team as Cunningham, Regis, Batson, Cantello and Bomber Brown defiantly a Legend as was most of that team
So this year will almost certainly be a record for lowest surviving team maximum forest can get is 35 points that’s winning all 3 games Luton 34 points again winning all 3 games not a chance I can’t see either Finnish with more that 30 points
They went down the next season though, ironically it was my team, Portsmouth, who leapfrogged Albion and Birmingham with our own 'great escape'. What is not mentioned is Albion's opponents on the last day, yes Portsmouth. we were safe and the thousands of Pompey fans there on the day, were willing Albion to win, in order to send Southampton down. The dual pitch invasion at the end, was not to start a scrap but to have a joint celebration.
I was there. I don't remember Portsmouth fans invading.
I was there and remember Portsmouth singing “let them score” and judging the quality of defending, Portsmouth DEFINITELY let us score. I’ve always had a soft spot for Pompey since then, we also survived relegation to division 2 in 1994 at Portsmouth.
By great escape you mean spending vastly beyond your means in January?
@@connc We weren't the first and we won't be the last, we have taken our punishment.
@@engurland I was there, lower East towards the Pompey fans, and I went on the pitch with my old man after full time. I vividly remember Portsmouth supporters on the pitch in the penalty area at the Smethwick End
If you do the opposite :
*The best Premier League team to Relegated*
West Ham 2002/2003.
Shocked it wasn’t my Everton this season. I do remember this final day. Mental.
If we'd all lost on the final day (Leeds, Leicester and us/Everton) we would have taken the record with 33 points! 😅
@Son of Wessex we finished on 40 points lad... my point is if we'd all lost last week we could have survived with 33 (which would be the lowest points total survival in the Prem)
Crystal Palace game > Bournemouth game. I really shouldn’t compare my fav teams relegation battles 😂
Why? No way that's true. We've actually looked good under Dyche, especially in games like against, Brighton, Arsenal and Brentford. Some very good teams. The points total is because of the damage Lampard did.
patient little grasshopper. Everton will get relegated this upcoming season🙏🏿
Was there that day it was unbelievable..,Richardson was on fire in that second part of the season and was a huge reason we stayed up. He played for England in that summer and scored against USA. I thought he was going to become a star but he went back to United and it never took off for him. He reminds me a lot of how lingards career went. A great shame as for that six months with Albion he was pure gold.
Richardson actually scored both the goals in that 2-1 vs the USA as I went to the game. I had a season ticket for 12 years until that season as I went on a foreign exchange for a year in Iowa. This game was pretty close and with Albion staying up and Richardson making the squad it was a no brainer to go.
As an Albion fan when I saw the title I was thinking yeah that’s gotta be us, and I wasn’t disappointed hahahahahaha
"Bryan Robsons Baggies are staying in the Barclays Premiership! Bottom of the table at the start of today, bottom of the table at Christmas! The curse is over!"
Could you please do an explainer on how postecoglu would fit in at spurs and his tactics
Yes pleaseeeee
tactics idk much but son will have a lot of fellow korean friends
His main tactic (buying Asian players) won’t work in the Prem
He won’t 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@yungtrashlord Japan isn’t Korean ???
Fun fact: Former long time West Brom defender Neil Clement wandered into the hotel I worked at drunk and refused to give me details I needed to check him in before threatening to stab me and telling me "I'd see him again" before leaving. The Baggies segment reminded me of this lol.
That’s so bizarre and specific that it can only be true 😅
You should do a video looking into the history of diving/feigning injury & when it first became part of the game.
There’s a strong chance this will be beaten this year
Good video but zoltan Gera was 100% more known for his time at the Albion over two great spells. Baggies fans love him. Also Bryan robson played for West Brom before united and was a baggies fan growing up
He was a Newcastle fan
West brom was the best relegation escape. Rob Earnshaw turned in to prime Andy Cole for the last 8 games.
Everton fans - see title
*heaving breathing*
Could we get an episode on Swindon's rise (and FFP relegation) and rise again to the top division? It's a really interesting story from when I did some reading a while ago and I don't think it's really been told well on CZcams yet.
Absolutely this! (It wasn't FFP though it was some dodgy backhand payment type stuff) (I'm a Swindon fan so I'm biased)
@@urso_live no it was corruption by betting on matches
You should look at Rotherham United this year. Just ended the most consecutive relegation/promotion yo-yos in English league history. Next year will be their first season starting in the same league they ended in since the 2016/17 season.
That's a crazy stat and I love it. The lower league equivalent of Norwich.
Yup. And they ended the yo-yo at the right yo! As opposed to the wrong yo!
As a baggies fan this brings me so much joy. For however much it’s not a record anyone wants, anyone bottom of the league on the last day of the season would happily accept it.
I was in the away end at The Hawthorns that day, and it was so weird every Portsmouth fan cheering goals going in the our net - as us losing would help send Southampton down 😅 We all invaded the pitch with the WBA fans at full time! 😂
The mathematical minimum to survive is 6 points (4 sides draw against each other and lose to everyone else. Survivor determined by a tie-breaker). The mathematical maximum to be relegated is 63 (2 sides lose to everyone else, no matches among the other 18 are drawn, each of the 18 gets 21 wins for 63 points, and relegation determined by a tie-breaker.)
As a West Brom fan. I knew we would finally get a dedicated West Brom video. Just from the title lol
1:36 Absolutely love this adorable cat 🐱
The best part of this season was on the final day was the Pompey fans in the club shop buying Albion shirts and giving us thier full surport😂😂
"Kanu who was 28 at the time"
As if he was 😅
Nigerians are well known for dodgy passports. Yakubu was 24 for 6 years 😂
It also made him just turned 17 when he was banging in goals for Ajax in their 94/95 champions league winning campaign.
I still forget Huddersfield were in the PL
Looks like this video is going to need a bit of updating. With one game to go the maximum number of points Nottingham Forest (17th) can achieve is 32. If they lose the final game they will have survived with 29.
I thought this was going to be about West Ham in 09/10. You mentioned Wigan but we actually got 1 point fewer than Wigan and finished below them. An indication of how bad the league was that year is that West Ham finished 17th but ended up 5 points clear of Hull in 18th. 31 points would have kept us up; as it was, we got 35 which is only 1 point off what West Brom got in 04/05.
We were awful that season and I maintain we were the worst team to survive. Incidentally, I also think we were the best team to go down in 02/03 so there you go!
I haven't watched the video but I immediately thought of Everton
I'm glad they did, but Everton got really lucky to survive.
I knew Tifo would do a video on West Brom judging from the title. The greatest relegation dogfight in Premier League history with the greatest of escapes. Rock bottom on the final needing three other clubs to LOSE and the football Gods blessed them.
I didn't realise Frank Burrows was involved. I remember him being the first manager I ever saw as a child starting to go and watch Cardiff when we got promoted from division 3!
West Ham 09/10 must be up there, we finished 17th on 35 points. Felt like relegation standard, and we only stayed up because there were three really bad teams that year. We finished bottom the next year; it felt like we might as well have just been relegated originally.
That West Ham team had some names. Such as Benhrami, Diamanti and Franco
If Burnley didn't appoint Brian laws as manager and someone actually decent you'd probably gone down
What more ironic is, West Ham got 42 points in 02/03 season, but still relegated.
Could be labelled "Best Premier League team to relegated".
@@ikigarasi9377 I would say so, squad was extremely strong and that's a record number of points.
West Bromwich Albion are one of my favourites ever and I was just twelve years old when they managed to survive with less points and I did enjoy that season's relegation based matches,good friends!!!:-D
Awaiting the follow up "Best Championship team to miss promotion"
Really enjoyed the graphics and animations for this video.
Really thought it would’ve been 19/20 villa, super impressive either way. It’s always against the odds when it’s that many points
That final day was wild, switching between channels to keep track of what’s going on 😂
My girlfriend at the time was a Charlton season ticket holder. I remember her coming home singing:
"La la lah la lah la la lah,
La la lah la lah la la lah,
La la lah la lah la la lah,
We sent the Palace Down!"
The worst Premier League Team to Survive, you’ll never sing that!
You might be thinking woahhhh a draw against city but then they were a mid table side
One more thing to add to the weirdest year in history, arsenal went undefeated, porto won champions now this. I just can't remember what else was weird that year.. 🤔
greece won the euro
Oh yeah, I remember seeing a video on that final day. Poor Norwich 😭
22-23 Chelsea must’ve just missed out on being the worst
The Lee Hughes case is very interesting 🤔. Footballers do end up doing jail time like everyone else and so weird to me how Mason Greenwood didn't get a trial
Maybe because Hughes caused the death of a man and fled the scene, leaving two other people seriously injured without medical attention. Whilst there's insufficient evidence against Mason Greenwood and no-one outside the people involved - including you - has the slightest idea of what really happened.
Hope that clears it up for you.
@@markchambers3833 I mean.....there is some evidence. Enough to make people think he isn't the greatest guy ever, not enough to formally charge him.
@@ben________3156 not enough to warrrant jail time
didn't expect to see everton featured in a tifo vid
Should have went down couple of times. But football Gods are kind to them
This season though, they really should have been relegated
@@janezra how "should" we didn't 3 teams have less points never understood this thought proses
That relegation battle was immense.
Norwich winning all of their last 4 home games including Man United and Newcastle yet failing away even when it was at Fulham who had nothing to play for.
Palace beating Liverpool then drawing every game.
Southampton snatching last minute winners and equalisers against Norwich and Palace respectively but finally going down.
And West Brom. Never underestimate Paul Robinsons last minute equaliser at villa a few weeks earlier.
Also, there was a point on the penultimate game where West Brom were losing at Man United and Palace were beating Southampton. At that point they were relegated. But Earnshaw equalised from the spot and that late Southampton goal whilst benefitting Southampton also massively helped West Brom in the end.
Don’t forget bryan robson was a legendary player at albion too. Made it an even better story
looking at the table now with 1 game to go. Nottingham Forest are 17th with just 29 points. The record is going to be broken
Crystal Palace drew 3-3 with Norwich(H) 2-2 with Southampton(H) & 2-2 with local rivals Charlton(A)...just 3 points...that might have easily been 9...as they lead in all 3 games. Palace are also the only club relegated from EPL when finishing 4th from bottom...& on goals scored! Lucky Oldham...& lucky WBA!
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That's a surprisingly high total for the worst team to stay up. Both 17th Everton and 18th Leicester had under that going into the final matchday this season.
That record might go this season. Burnley might survive with 30 points and a goal difference of -33.
I remember watching that Fulman game as a Norwich fan and just feeling so mad at my team for losing 6-0
I wouldn't mind some sensible transfers for Liverpool because they need to rebuild this window. It would be interesting to see what players other clubs could use as well.
1 point per game in a well balanced league (in terms of the ratio of teams to relegation spots) is usually always enough to avoid relegation.
Often, anything less than 1 point per game is enough to see you relegated.
I think people say 40 points in the PL because it's close to the 38 and it's nice and round.
In the 38 team PL era, only 8 times has a team with 38 or more points gotten relegated (occurring in 6 different seasons). In 5 of these 6 seasons, the league winner got 83 points or less, a feat that has only happened 8 times in PL history, showing that when there are no outstanding teams, the lower end teams can gather more points.
In 11 of the 28 PL seasons with 20 teams, the bottom 3 was exactly the 3 teams with less than 38 points and all teams that survived scored 38 or more points. Given some seasons are one way and some are the other, it's quite a good general description for the requirements to stay up.
As a Palace fan, my heart was sunk after conceded the late second goal..
We should have stayed up that season. Southampton game is what sent us down really. We had that game won.
Ahhhhhh. It was a brilliant day at the Hawthorns.
I was there all season. A lot of time, it was awful lol
"He was headed to prison" caught me so off guard XD
same tbh😅😅😅
At 1:42, you can hear Joe holding in laughter after saying “the boing-boing baggies”
How about a video on the original Division One. That would mean you getting out of your PL bubble.
Love that cat in the video. It’s a Scottish fold :)
That "ex Manchester United midfielder" Bryan Robson had started his career at West Brom, surprising that you never mentioned that.
Also "Boing Boing" has nothing to do with being a yoyo team. A group of fans had followed the club to Holland for a pre season in 1993 and it references a song by Dutch band(?) Rotterdam Termination Source called Poing
And West Ham were relegated with the most points (in a 38-game season) in 2003, with 42. Also, Sunderland (1997) and Bolton (1998) both went down with 40 points.
Newcastle United under Mike Ashley every season apart,of course, from the one we did actually go down.
early morning tifo gift 🔥
Nottingham Forest are currently in 17th place with 26 points and 4 matches remaining. They (or Luton, who are just 1 point behind) could potentially set the new record.
Nottingham Forest are gonna beat this record, they could theoretically stay up with just 29 points 😂
There’s nothing worse than being promoted then get relegated the next season or get the least points for the whole season or only stay up by luck and other teams results helping you to stay in the league when you clearly didn’t deserve it
It’s amazing what a good team spirit can do
Love how Joe nearly breaks his flow after saying ‘boing boing baggies’
Think it's fair to say this points record is getting broken by Forest this season - possibly even if you ignore the points deductions!
The best ever final day was 2010-11. fite me
Crazily enough, this record could have been tied this past 2022-2023 season by Leicester if Everton didn’t win their last game. Even if Everton drew, Leicester would have finished above Everton on goal difference and survive relegation on 34 points. I’m pretty sure Tifo was paying attention to this also, hence the posting of this video after the season concluded.
They would have also been the first team to survive a 38 game Premier League season having lost 22 matches over the course had this have happened
This guy is a legend 🙌 👏
That time Everton needed to win against the Crazy Gang (Wimbledon) to stay up, and were so poor, they needed help from 2 or 3 Wimbledon players
Surprised you didn't mention that that wba side were the first team in the pl era to survive after being bottom at Christmas
Pompey allowed West Brom to win to let Southampton go down.
I analysed all this data either last year or the year before because I was interested in the question: Is the number of points needed to survive going up down or staying the same?
If I remember right, that was a particularly poor season with loads of teams at the bottom such as Palace playing negative 4-5-1 formations.
I haven't looked at the stats but my vague memories of this season are that there were a lot of draws and the teams at the bottom were particularly low scoring as they focused on not conceding goals. It was pretty grim as I recall.
Since the PL became 20 teams in 95-96, there's been a gradual decrease in the number of points needed to survive from an average of 39.5 from 96-99 down to an average of 33.75 from 20-23. The figures are based on a team finishing 1 point above the relegation places.
@@davidspear9790 That's what I thought, but I couldn't find my spreadsheet.
Everton could have survived with 34 pts, had they tied and both Leicester and Leeds lost..
I was going to say Sunderland 2014, they did it the hardway though so doubt they can be called the worst, and finished well considering.
Please do a sensible transfers on Barcelona!!!
No mention of the fact Pompey fans joined West Brom fans on the pitch to celebrate Southampton’s relegation? Cracking day that was for us too!
"impressive in an unimpressive way"
i should use that line more often
Make a vid about Blackburn and Venkys
Luton might claim this title on odds overcome if they stay up