TWICE AS FAST! HTMR Vapor/Dry Blast Gun
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I just found your videos, watched 2 and subscribed. It all started out with me wanting to get (buy, build, whatever) a vapor blaster for motorcycle restoration. I watched a bunch of videos on the subject until I found your site and I like what you do. Common sense engineering stuff for the person that wants to build their own blaster. I will be ordering plans for a winter build of your smaller wood (brilliant!) wet/dry blast cabinet and that wonderful nozzle. Seriously, you make the other DIY blast cabinet makers look like beginners. I've been riding and wrenching for over 50 years and now that I'm retired, I want to get more sophisticated in my approach to building better machinery than what's for sale by the machine builders and save money at the same time. Thanks for explaining the engineering and physics aspects in detail. The best channel yet!
No problem! You won't be disappointed with the plans!
I just got mine yesterday. Compared to my old gun. It's not twice as fast. Probably 100x faster. I tried it for 5 seconds. Was "shocked". Turned off the blaster and sent Matthew a email and thanked for the product. Not only was it faster, but I could turn up the pressure without problems.
Sadly youtube don't allow video replies. Or else I would make a comparison.
I almost never buy "expensive" workshop products. But I was frustrated with my old setup. I almost used 1000$ on a new pump. I'm so glad I bought this gun. (I bought the 3#).
I can't recommend this product enough!
Thanks for the feedback!
If your electrical service is maxed out or you have one good 5HP compressor adding a second with suitable, preferably large bore hose between then (I use 3/4" red pneumatic hose with Chicago couplings and any valves are gate or ball valves for lowest restriction. I plumbed my shops with flex hoses (faster than pipe, effortless reconfiguration, plenty of hose to switch out for long reach outdoor blasting and needle scaling) with minimal hard lines at my compressors and receiver tank. (Receiver tanks often go cheap at auction because most people outside industry don't know what they do. A receiver tank (or even a leftover vertical tank with wheels off a broken consumer junk compressor, but inspect with a cheap borescope to ensure it's not dangerously rusted) near any blaster and plumbed with large bore hose is a performance boost, just remember to let it fill when you feel pressure drop.
I need this gun in my life, best one i have seen yet nice work buddy 👍
Dang, looking good Matt! I wonder how good that would make a decent part look. Keep up the good work.
Probably the best content out there explaining the process, you’ve clearly done your research. Ill be ordering a gun has nothing to do with made in the USA its clearly a superior blast gun no matter where its made . Good job
Nice information and also you met this on my birthday thanks
Yes sir you do have my attention !! Presentation as well your intellect is bullet proof. I will purchase the full meal deal you are offering. I just finished rebuilding my compressor(220 volt single phase) completely from top to bottom(Two stage man killer.) Piston diameter on low side is 4 and 7/16...High side diameter is 2 and 15/16....Stroke is a long one....Flywheel is larger then most(Heavy too!!)...Flywheel speed is 550 rpm....3 belts to run it....Electric motor is rated at 5 horse rotating at 1725 rpm.....Shut down pressure is 175 psi...Cut in at 145 psi....CFM not an issue operating with high flow 3/8 hoses in shop....Additional compressor coming on line soon running 3 phase 10 horse motor....Compressor(2 stage also)....close to same as above.....Thinking about running them them together just for giggles....I understand sir that you rate your gun set up by hp ratings.....Is it possible that flywheel weight and it's inertia on larger compressors like mine offer an advantage with larger mass?? And that being said...5hp motors with heavier rotor mass(Farm duty type) may bring one to think differently on choices of orifice diameters.....Todays compressor motors run fast and generate lots of heat....Todays compressor heads run faster and hotter with smaller pistons...Most 5hp motors turn 3,000 plus rpm...Flywheels smaller then the old ones......I like motors with torque and if possible lower rpm.....Would you still rate my gun set up at 5hp??? Or would we go bigger bad ass set up??........Thank you sir for you thoughts on this matter.......Charlie Springer from Oregon.
Sounds like you have a true 5hp like I did. Probably 17-19cfm pump spec. You can figure out your true CFM by watching this video: czcams.com/video/I-mbDwclIzY/video.htmlsi=qc1d3m79PcajMrmI
i Bought one and use it everyday, its awesome!
Thanks for the feedback!
Cool 😎! Just subscribed.
My cabinet is so close to being complete. I definitely signed up for the wait list.
Awesome! What kind are you building?
@@HTMR closed loop.
@@travisdavis2079 I meant HF or wood?
@@HTMR HF for now. Plus, we have the lost mail place here and was able to find nearly all the brass, castors, hoses, bulkhead, floor pedal and pinch valve for dirt cheap so I am running with it.
MatthewMCRepair would you consider doing a video about differences in Air Compressors? Scroll vs piston especially. And 1 vs 3 phase. Or 110 vs 220 volt. ? Thanks! Excellent vid!!!
$40 Chinese gun = 1X speed
$250 CNC Gun = 2X speed but over 6X the price 🤔
I bought various sized nozzles for my Chinese gun & greatly improved the efficiency of the stock Chinese gun.
What's your time worth? Apparently less than 250.
@@HTMR It is not about the time or the money, your pricing is absolutely inadequate. There are people who stand in line for few days to get a newest phone or people who pay $20K over the MSRP on a car - your customer base I guess.
I don’t know you Matt, but clearly this guy doesn’t value his time and doesn’t understand the concept of time is money. Looks like your part is well engineered and if it is truly twice as fast that is a no brainer expense.
@@HTMR $250.00 ?? I don’t think so.
So the 3rd time you use the CNC gun it pays for itself.
Stop being a woke twat & do the math.
Thanks for this, I was looking for a better gun after spending 8 hours today sandblasting. Purchased!
Any thoughts on the how long the ceramic nozzle will last if vapor only? have you noticed significant wear during testing?
Mine arrived during the week. Time to fit up and test.
First impression.. Weight oozes quality. Nice finish and feels good in hand.
Expensive by the time it landed here in Australia but there are not many other options.
It arrived via DHL and was around a week internationally.
Good work Matt... I may need to order 7hp nozzles from you for polishing process. I'll see how it goes..
I've now had mine a while and have used it for both wet and dry work... Works a treat.
Cheers Matt.
How much are they
@@michaelsteward3562 go to his website and find out
Are you still happy with the gun?
I’m in Melbourne and thinking of buying one. Thanks 🇦🇺
Two types of people! You get what you pay for. Just got mine looks great. Cant wait to get into the shop and start blasting! Thanks Matt!!!
Keep me posted on how you like it!
Very Good video with plenty of information included 👍
The thing that lets these Wet Blasters down the most is ?
The fact that you are using Water for Blasting ??
Which is OK, IF ?? you plan to Paint or finish the parts in someway shortly after blasting.
IF Not the parts will begin to either Rust or Corrode very quickly.
Just something to be aware of IF you plan to Buy, Build or Use one of these Wet Blasters.
As much as it might seem like the latest and greatest thing around ??
Wet Blasters have been around for more than 20 years, and still to find a mainstream end user of this process, as Dry Blasting is still the preferred Blasting process.
Great work on providing a better alternative to Blasting with a Locally made product.👍
Hope these items sell well for you.
As their are not a lot of things worse than standing in front of a Blast Cabinet for too long 🙄😂
Depends on the application and what you are trying to do. Also, you can put a rust inhibitor in the water to prevent flash rust.
@@HTMR
You could put rust inhibitor in the Blast Cabinet.
But it will break down very quickly.
As you start blasting, the particles of metals you are blasting will mix in the water.
I have the same problem if i try to reuse the water in my Tap Burner.
Regardless of the side effects of Wet Blasting.
The gun design is big improvement over the standard guns that come with the machines.
As you mentioned Spare Parts can become a big problem for the lower priced guns.
In some cases you have no choice, but to buy the more expensive gun you showed in this video because of the lack of spares .
Great video thanks for all the information. Anything made in Chicago is the best … where can I see this gun in action I live in Chicago
Well I just moved and my compressor is not wired up yet. You can pick up if you decide to buy one.
Foot pedal next??? I need 3/8 npt heavy high flow foot pedals! I did order a gun and can’t wait to test it. Thanks!
I went with a electric foot pedal for the wood cabinet build. That setup simplifies things and yet the plumbing can flow 40cfm.
HI Matthew, this looks like a great product. I'm curious how you feel your gun compares to the unit that Tacoma sells overall? Thanks sir!
Am also interested in where you are getting the flexzilla hose from? Are you just buying regular air and water hose and cutting it up or are you able to buy it in something less than 200 foot rolls like I have found on amazon?
Performance is very comparable.
@@CraftwerksMC Yes, amazon. I might start selling it by the foot on my site.
Good night Matt do you have any schematic on how to build the blast cabinet.
I have several plans available:
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/diyvaporblasterbuildplans/
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/woodvaporblaster/
If using a nozzle that is 80mm long and 6mm diameter hole what CFM value do I need to maintain 90PSI at the nozzle on full blast? I'm thinking around 63 CFM - What would your estimate be?
Building my cabinet now with the help of your plans... What grit glass beads are you working with?
There is a link to media in the plans/parts list. Otherwise shoot me an email.
Great Great Great informative video. Matt would you say this is comparable or better than the "Tacoma Gun"?
I say comparable. Some have told me it works better. Both are great guns.
I have had one now for 6 months, got biggest one, wow, thing is next level, love it.
do you think you could use it with petrol water blaster and Garnett for big jobs?
Thanks for the compliments. What is a petrol water blaster?
@@HTMR I think he means a petrol engine powered water blaster (as against an electric drive unit). However, for all I know, he wants to blast with a petrol / water mix 😂
I’m on the waiting list, but do you have an eta when more will be available?
I get parts first week of April.
How is the performance of your gun vs the tacoma gun? Have you had any issues with wear on the plastic nut durning dry blasting and will replacement parts become available if that ever becomes an issue?
Comparable performance to tacoma gun. No noticable wear on plastic nut. Yes replacement parts are available.
Nice gun man im looking at purchasing and am thinking the 5hp with the 5hp nossle and 7.5hp nossle. Would you recommend this for the Chicago Air 150l (hush150) compressor I have?
What is the CFM spec at 90psi?
Hi Matthew it’s 14.45cfm @100psi there are no specs on the net for 90psi
@@squadcustomsgarage3305 Buy the 5hp gun
I noticed this was 3 years ago. Wait list doesnt work. What went wrong? I have a 5hp comp and a chesp blast cabinet. I'm in Chgo area, and a Dirt bike builder.
You can buy here: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Where in Chicago?
Would it work with rock salt as a media?
I want one...and I don't even have a blast cabinet.
Can you make it work on a pressure washer so we can blast outside
Hi my gun arrived today very happy what is the best mix of AC glass and water ratio and pressure to polish alloy cheers for the fantastic customer service.From the ass end of the planet NZ
Thanks for the feedback. Shoot me an email and we can go over media and ratios.
Can you use just water when vapor blasting or do you have to add baking your glass beads?? Thanks 👍👍👍
No, you have to use some kind of media otherwise it would be pressure washing.
Have you given any thought to making these guns for a little smaller blasting setup? Let’s say 3.5HP/ 12CFM at 90 PSI?
Yes, I may consider that in the future.
Hi,would it be okay to use a air storage tank aswell as a compressor,cheers
That only will help for a few minutes of blasting. It is really up to the pump output to keep up with the demand of blasting.
Do you make a smaller nozzle. I have the VHT micro.
Smallest I have is the 3hp version.
Is the 3/4” hose youre using flexzilla water hose?
Here is the hose I'm using. I sell it by the foot: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product/flexzilla-hose/
Can this nozzle work with a 20 lb. Pressure pot blaster? I am looking for better performance to blast vintage lawn tractor pieces in a stainless enclosed cabinet that will hold larger frames and hoods while reclaiming the media such as iron oxide. This is a custom setup and I'm thinking this gun could be part of the answer to speed blast time.
Yes, you setup the pressure pot to simply feed the media port on this gun (low pressure just to feed media). Then add higher pressure air to other port. Several have done it this way with good results.
@@HTMR Great, I will probably be ordering in the future. Still need to upgrade the plumbing on the pot and get other parts together. Thx for the info. I think your product is the vanguard in my situation as a retired hobbyist and have just not been able to do much lately in this area.
Assuming the cover was a rare part, could it be repaired with aluminum welding, and metal fill-in on the deep pitted areas and then shaped and finished as necessary with a Dremel or the like for cosmetics? Cool process, I’ve never seen ice blasting and only water used as with soda. What dry media is best for aluminum when surface appearance is important?
That is a LT1 front plate and I bought a LS1 front plate. But sure it can probably be fixed.
A good heliarc:)
Where can I get that hose? Having a hard time finding it by the foot. Thanks
Flexilla ½”x50’ air hose
amzn.to/3qNkg9p
Flexilla ¾” x 100’ water hose
amzn.to/3dI4bxV
My machine asks for a 12 mm gun. Do you know the mm sizes of the different options you offer? Thanks a ton!
What is more important is the compressor output, and matching a gun to that. How much CFM is your compressor?
Hi I was wondering if you could advise of my vapor honing setup. I bought a closed lopped cabinet from vapor honing technologies. Compressor is a quincy qt-54 rated at 15.2 cfm at 175psi. Media is a fine mesh glass bead. I even bought your upgraded gun as I thought I didn't have enough cfm to supply the crappy Chinese one. My gun just barely shoots out and media/slurry and I've tried all sorts of psi. It almost seems like the pickup or something isn't right. The manufacturer only recommends 25lbs of media also. I may give the manufacturer a call today but for now I can't realistically Blasting anything.
Please email me and I can help troubleshoot.
@@HTMR Done! Thanks in advance.
Your cfm seems low. No?
Wish i had money for this gun and compressor to run it! However it is what it is . I got cheap chinese compressor(like most hobby people!)it has 390L of suction power which is probably around 200L/min of real air.Is there a blasting gun that works for such "weak" compressor? it can run some less demanding air tools and i would like to snadblast some small parts from time to time.
Just in case i go different route and build my own gun i have a few questions-is there some ratio between orafice size of air nozzle and ceramic cup hole size?Like a golden rule?
Also should air nozzle end stick beyond the sand intake port to achieve venturi effect? Is it like on propane gas burners?
Smallest gun I have is 10cfm. You can calculate you compressors cfm by timing time to fill: czcams.com/video/I-mbDwclIzY/video.html&ab_channel=How-ToMotorcycleRepair
How do these guns compare to a well manufactured unit like from eastwood?
Have a link?
@@HTMR Not sure why, but the link i posted 2 days ago has disappeared. Just Google search "Eastwood Blast Cabinet Foot Pedal and Gun". They sell it as a combo with their pedal for $110. The chinese ones you are reviewing are knockoffs from this one. Eastwoods has the washer as well as the sleeve on a nozzle that is actually in the center.
Where can I purchase one of the guns? DW in Tennessee
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
I am in the Chicagoland area. Are these available for pickup?
Sure but they are out of stock. Get on the waitlist. I'm in 60056.
@@HTMR I see that these are in stock and I would love to pick on up. I am only 45 min from that area and would love to try it out this weekend. How can I contact you?
Hello, would like to buy some hose and a ceramic gun. Any coupon codes available? Please 🙏 ty
Thanks for the order!
Can these guns be made smaller? More for the model builder/hobbyist?
Smaller in size? Or less HP requirement?
Great bit of engineering Matt. I will be adding my name to your wish list.
Thanks!
Hi Matt do you ship these to england .
Yes sir!
I would like to know how much difference nozzle length affects the power, like pistol vs rifle power with the same calabar
You need to learn something about pistol vs rifel ammunition powders.
@@N1gel oh wow what an informative reply, totally worth the effort.
Hello I have a compressor of 8 horsepower TX3-BIS which comes out 800 liters per minute at 6 bar (it goes up to 10 bar), and a water pump 1100W 20000 liters per hour. Which gun can you recommend me please
7.5hp
Are you shipping to the UK?
Yes sir. DHL rates are calculated during checkout and the service is fast.
On the wait list 👍
Are these CFM measures for FAD or air displacement? Looking at air compressors ;-)
FAD because that is actually the spec that matters.
@@HTMR Thanks for clarifying. Now I just need to decide how spendy I get on a compressor, lol.
How well does it work on steel and mild steel?
I vapor blast steel all the time. You need to dry it quickly or use anti flash rust additive.
What's the best setup for a 45hp rotary screw compressor.
15hp boron carbide or 10hp ceramic howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product/htmr-blast-gun-boron-carbide/
For those complaining about the price - a few things - 1) go and make one your self, or get one made - the only way you will come out ahead is if you place absolutely no value on your time.
2) most guys are charging out at around $100 an hour(in Australia and AUD). if you can double your output, it will pay itself back in less than a day. which is awesome ROI.
3) @matthewMCrepair - loving the rebuttal to some of these muppets in the comments - can you do a test to blast a known surface area and time it. Like 2 identical parts that need cleaning. test with both guns and time results. Do it a few times with different items. Love your work.
Thanks for understanding what it takes to make a product. Yes I should do a better comparison video. The new gun I bought leaked and screwed up the footage I was hoping would give a good comparison.
I dry blast with tbe Harbor Freight set up. Thats all i know.
What am I missing out on wet blasting that Im not getting with dry?
I can easily see the importance of a gun that feeds media at an acute angle, rather than the 90° cheap feed on my current gun.
Im rebuilding my cabinet and wonderi g why wet blasting? It looks extra messy looking at videos.
Wet blasting will give you a smoother shinier finish that can't be achieved with dry blast.
@@HTMR Thank you for helping me understand that.
Hi, how much CFM and HP you use for sandblast ? Thank you
You need at least 10cfm to make it worth your while.
@@HTMR i have 21 cfm, where I can buy this gun ? Thank you
@@erictremblay1750 I'd recommend 5hp gun with some 7.5hp nozzles. howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product/htmr-vapor-blast-gun/
Can this new gun be used with my pressure washer wet blasting kit?
No.
Annodising is primarily a surface hardening treatment .....
Aluminium corrosion is fairly insignificant
There are different types of anodizing. I use type 2 not hard anodize. Aluminum corrosion does occur in a vapor blast environment and should be considered in gun design. Other guns have issues on disassembly if aluminum is not protected and allowed to corrode.
What metrics are used to measure/compare the two guns?
Both 7.5hp guns consume same cfm or power, then just compare time to blast same area.
@@HTMR How is the time to blast evaluated?
K how or where do I buy one of those green ones?
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product/htmr-vapor-blast-gun/
Do you ship to Norway?
This looks like a really nice product, nice job!
What makes this so great? Mainly greater venturi effect?
Yes. More info here on the gun: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/htmr-blast-gun/
Thanks for sharing Matt. This is really helpful although om not sure where to buy this in England.
I want to build my own too, it would be good if you sell the parts as a combo pack to send over :)
I can ship to your country.
What size of glassbeans u recommend for this gun ?
You can run any media you want.
Interested? When will these be available?
Late March. Get on the waitlist if you want one.
please disclose the price of your new blast gun Thank You , Mike J.
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
I'm on the wait list for this, are they still going to be in stock June 3rd?
Anyday now, parts are out for anodizing.
@@HTMR thanks for the update I'm looking forward to this!
okay!!!
i want to know what do u mean a 7.5 HP setup?
It is set up for 25cfm air consumption which is what most 7.5hp compressors put out.
How would this work with a pressure washer like a wet blaster kit
It won't work with a pressure washer.
@@HTMR what size would I need to work with my pressure washer that puts out 4000 psi
Sorry miss read your reply thank
should probably add in the "contains promotion" thing that England and Europe use
What is the actual compressor (HP/CFM) you are using for these tests?
5hp 19cfm@90psi. The 7.5 & 10hp guns will drain the tank after a few minutes and pump can't keep up. Fun for testing and dreaming of more CFM one day.
I have 15hp 60cfm can i run the 10hp setup ?
Yes. Even better buy one for each hand LOL. You have plenty of air and I'm jealous.
@@HTMR I bought a microhone air operated unit from microhone tech but she is a bit small for my needs now.
Don't think 250 is a fair price,if I can buy the one you are bagging for 40bucks and your one is 2times faster,100 Buck's is a fair price
Not being rude,but just my input, on the other hand I am a fan of your work
Agreed. Why over priced
You have no idea what custom low volume CNC work costs. Just be happy with your chinese gun running at half speed :)
@@HTMR i actually own a cnc machine shop and have been a machinist for 23 years. So yeah i do know this is simple part with 200% -300% markup
@@vettepicking My markup is not that high. Mfg is expensive in Chicago.
@@HTMR you have the cad files email different shops and get lower quotes. Goodluck
What cfm needed for this gun?
Did you watch the video? czcams.com/video/b3TD29ShW6c/video.html
How much for shipping to Thailand
My website will generate a shipping cost. Add items to cart and enter address: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Como se chama essa peça e onde comprar
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
where do i buy this gun
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Can I buy this blast gun in Europe ?
Yes I ship worldwide. My website will generate a DHL rate during checkout: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
where can i purchase the gun?
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Dude I need one of these! Are they shipping yet?
In stock next week. Are you on the waitlist?
@@HTMR how much ?
@@UNLOCKEDANDOVERCLOCK howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Anyone with a VHT retail machine retrofit their machine with one of Matt’s guns? Did it help?
Yes many have with great results. Those machines come with 7.5hp size guns.
Reviews are all positive: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product/htmr-vapor-blast-gun/#reviews
What are the ingredients in water
Water and glass bead media
@@HTMR Thank you ser.
How to buy? I'm from Malaysia
Order here: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
Can i buy it in germany?
Yes I ship worldwide.
If it were me, I would substitute the word “Chinese” in the monologue with “major corporate manufacturer” or something. Just for the optics. Also-why not mix and match your jet and Nozzle to meet the same specs as the mass produced version, so we can get a fair comparison?
Order details please, price, for 16 cfm setup, TX Basie South Africa
You can place an order here: howtomotorcyclerepair.com/product-category/blast-gun/
would love to buy this but just dam 250 bucks it a little to much for that
How does one contact you?
howtomotorcyclerepair.com/contact/
No offense but ive never seen this channel before and the first 4 minutes gave me the feeling of a used car salesman 🤣
What if I have 20HP compressor?
Dude I would totally put a 10hp gun in each hand....that would be badass! LOL.
@@HTMR Would the 10 hp gun work with the 20 hp air compressor? Or do I have to special order a different jet?
@@joemaxwell7443 yes the 10 horsepower gun would work great for you and your compressor would be at 50% duty cycle which would be awesome.
Dance the street but do not forget pants👍👍or the cops will be unhappy.
Price
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I didnt see a single horse at all.
All i see just some nozzles with different diameter that should have been measured by inch or metric.
American Made: only 250 dollars, Chinese made 35.00 dollars.
Whats your time worth?
this whole video felt like it was an ad.
That was the point
And an informative one at that. Best kind!