Mass Effect 3 - Why You Should BETRAY TALI and Side with the Geth
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2023
- In this video, we’re going to explore why you should betray the best girl Tali and side with the Geth during Priority Rannoch in Mass Effect 3. We’ll talk about why the Quarians are in the wrong and what we can do to set things right.
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Big Dan lived long enough to see himself become the villain with this video title.
I was legit wondering
Great Batman reference right there!!
He is not blind worshipper, that's all
He sounded extra happy in the intro about double crossing the Quarians 🤣
I guess you've been waiting for this?
There will never be anything more ironic than players who sacrifice everything to save the geth... Only to pic the Destroy ending.
So about this..... i did, but when i did this is my first time play mass effect hahahaha
I went with synthesis. 😂😂😂
ironic? ICONIC!
They deserve tbh
The writers legit had to put that stupid "You destroy the Reapers but also every other Synthetic in the Galaxy" to makes sure players would even consider choosing the control or synthesis endings
"Does this unit have a soul"
*Tali dies
"More than she does now"
Not how souls work.
Tali's backflop off the cliff is one of my most memorable gaming moments...after which I promptly reloaded and change my choice ngl
I didn't reload and all my house appliances love me more now ...
Did reload right after that. Conflicted with me as a person.
I chose the quarians, I don't see the geth as alive. They are just like the LOKI mechs in ME2. The only time I reloaded was when I accidentally got garrus killed at the collector base even though he was loyal. Reloaded and sadly had to let Thane die to save garrus. I guess that was the best case scenario since I had kirahee to save the counselor.
My friend because od this decision and due to lack of paragon points had to reload back at least 4 hours of gameplay to get the peace outcome.
It's interesting to note that if you side with the Quarians, most of Shepard's squadmates will react a bit positively to Shepard's decision. Even Garrus says that he's not sorry the Geth are gone as they have been battling them since Mass Effect 1.
The crew reacts more negatively if Shepard sides with the Geth with most of their responses boiling down to “I don’t agree but I’ll respect your decision.”
The Quarians war with the Geth is basically the entire thesis of the series of organic vs AI in miniature, and is meant to show how it's super difficult to reach harmony between these two ideas. It's why the Reapers exist in the first place. I thought that was kinda neat symmetry.
@@Itharl most of which was brought on by the geth being stupid. Also if you just mindlessly pick the paragon/renegade option every time in these games like you are supposed to, every ideal choice is easy to attain.
@Quole1234 the Geth being stupid? In all honesty, the entire problem stems from the Quarians trying to shut the Geth down after they gained sentience and their continued insistence on destroying them. Like Legion said, the Quarian-Geth conflict is actually still ongoing because the Quarians always try to destroy the Geth the moment they felt they could(even during the Reaper war, ffs). As for the Heretics, literally every species in the history of Mass Effect has massive members who got indoctrinated and worked for the Reapers. Why should the Geth be blamed differently for it?
@Kshitiz Singh The geth are more at fault here, by far. They could have brokered for peace a long time ago but they never did. They perpetuated their reputation as villains to the galaxy by attacking anyone that entered their space and allowing the heretics to side with the reapers in ME1/2 and never tried to warn anyone. So they are just as at fault as the heretics are. The irony here is that most of the quarians didnt want to go to war. You cant blame all the quarians for the actions of gerrel but you CAN blame all the geth because they came to a consensus about letting the heretics attempt to wipe out all life in the galaxy and then not warn anyone. If it were not for Shepard the heretics AND the true geth would have been responsible for wiping out galactic civilization.
Also, the idea that the geth were actually defending themselves during the Morning War is hilarious when you consider the extent in which they killed the quarians. Committing genocide is not defending yourselves. Killing millions of children is not self defence. They could have disabled the civilian ships, and just destroyed the more combat oriented ones, or they could have just killed the actual dangerous quarians, instead of massacring the defenseless ones. And remember they created this war when they isolated themselves and tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy. did you forget about that? Was that self defence?
If you somehow kill Tali during ME 2 this decision is much easier to take.
the geth are still in the wrong lol.
@@Quole1234 Both species are in the wrong. You even pay attention to the game?
@@BenDaGoat yes. You are forgetting that the heretics sided with the reapers and the true geth let them do it
@@Quole1234 The geth are not responsible for a small faction going rogue.
@@nikiardo they actually are because legion explains that they understood and ALLOWED the heretics to do what they did.
I can never bring myself to choose between one or the other, no matter how I play I always bust my ass to make sure I can save both geth and quarians.
Yeah me too, in theese kind of games I feel like shit if i dont always pick the peaceful options.
Whereas I always can save both but always choose to only save the quarians. Even if I trusted the geth in general, there is no way I am going to trust reaper code geth, because Legion says so.
@@alfredsmith4431
Amen… the only time I can bring myself to the renegade options/forceful options is to enforce a point with the classic military style this game provides (which is fairly accurate to how most soldiers and commanders are)
at the end if you want shepard to survive and be with your romance option you need to erradicate the geth anyway :v
Tali - "Shepard, you were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the Reapers not join them. Bring balance to the Quarians and Geth, not leave them in conflict. I loved you."
Shepard - "We can still bang, ok?"
Lol 😂
He underrated Tali's ability!
(Hope someone understands the reference.)
Lol "We'll bang ok?"
"Oh well, guess I'll have to find comfort in the arms of Miranda". Homie woke up today and chose war crimes 😭
This was way sadder than the memerific "everyone dies" run because you were actually trying to win in this one.
Ohoho you've done it now. But you're absolutely right; if peace isn't an option, the quarians are facing an entirely avoidable problem of their own making, and the geth are merely trying to survive the consequences. Watching Gerrel order the fleet into its death charge is a pretty perfect visual for that.
As an aside, the presentation of Zaal'Koris in ME2 was masterful. He's very much the bad guy in that scenario, but he's also right -- which can be hard to see without the revelation of Legion.
Naw, Han'Gerrel and Daro'Xen were always the big bads.
I remember when I first played ME3 I legit felt sympathetic for the geth. I was determined to help them but luckily Tali was alive so I got the peace ending. I was sad that Legion died though, he was one of my favorite characters
No actually, he's completely wrong. You are blaming all of the quarians for the actions of the admirals, but ironically not blaming all the geth for the actions of the heretics. Did you even pay attention to the lore??
@@Quole1234 I think it's you that didn't pay attention to the lore.
Geth & Heretics are 2 different beings. All Geths are Geth, all Heretics are Heretic. They are robots, mind you. They argue with each other, come to a consensus and stick to it. It's like having 2 persons in front of you, one evil and the other not.
Quarians however blindly followed their admirals. By doing so, they all agreed with them. I didn't hear a Quarian ship ask for peace, I didn't see a Quarian ship run away. The only Quarian that behaved differently was Tali. The entire race is blinded by their hatred toward the Geth. If we humans were so obsessed by revenge, we'd still live in caves. Quarians had it coming.
@@Quole1234 Hey it takes some guts to own mistakes, kudos to ya !
Honestly by now I think that true villain of Mass Effect is Big Dan's pink Shepard and not reapers
Haven’t even watched the video, but I already know no matter what evidence you give for this I will never ever betray Tali
"Haven't watched" but "already know".
Sounds fanatic to me...
@@grunt7917 and?
@@gun2334trx
There is no "and".
No need to say anything else.
It’s not a betrayal. Her people started a genocidal war, which she opposed, rightly. It sucks but Shepherd’s personal relationship with Tali is irrelevant to the larger conflict.
@@grunt7917 don’t care
Even after playing the game for so long, this destruction scene still gives me the shivers.
I accidentally betrayed tali my first playthrough. I was devastated.
Honestly, it's a good thing that I destroyed the heretics during Legions mission in Mass Effect 2, solved the argument between Tali and Legion with enough paragon points, saved both of them during the Suicide Mission and did all of the Rannoch missions and picked the paragon option that unlocks after you do all of that that allows the quarians and geth to live in harmony because the results if I didn't would've been disastrous according to this video
I was wandering if it was going to be brought up how the Geth must have committed genocide 300 years ago. Because if the flotilla is only 1% of the Quarion original population, then the missing 99% was killed off by Geth, down to the last non combatant.
Mass Effect 3 doesn’t address this, either because the writers forgot what they had Tali say back in ME1 or because it would’ve made siding with the Geth too much harder.
The Geth's actions end up being much more questionable if you take other parts of the lore into account.
The Geth wiped out 99% of the Quarian population during the morning war according to Mass Effect Revelations.
The Geth Killed all of the emissaries the council sent to them after the war, also in Mass Effect Revelations. So the Geth ended up wasting the opportunity to make peace with organic species.
Legion mentions that the Geth spent 300 years cleaning up toxins from Rannoch. When you talk to Legion and Tali on Tuchunka they mention that Quarians restricted the use of WMDs in order to preserve their worlds. This implies that most of the damage to Rannoch was done by the Geth.
Mass Effect 3 tries to paint the Geth as the morally pure faction but when you take a second glance at the lore they aren't faultless. I'd say it's a similar issue with the Krogan. As much as Me3 tries to paint the Krogan in a positive light, everyone is beyond scared of them because before they were going so far as to nuke planets with asteroids in the Krogan Rebellions.
edit: Honestly if you ask me, I think the writing in general for Mass Effect 3 was very weak when it came to worldbuilding and keeping track of the universe's history.
They still let them fleet. Considering they had the means to destroy them...
@@karelchrastina5655 Talk to Legion's replacement the Geth VI. They let the Quarians flee literally because they didn't have enough data. Legion just puts a more positive spin on it.
@@SentinelEnforcer I know they allowed the Quarians to flee. How did the Quarians still get cut down to 1% left? How if not genocide of all the Quarians who weren't aboard spacecraft?
Given the nature of their intelligence, I doubt they understood anything like a "non-combatant". Their network fought the other network.
Ive actually always been able to broker peace between the two races so I've never seen this outcome. Cool to see what I've been missing all this time
Same.
Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny...
Recently started a new trilogy playthrough and just watched your guide on how to save both. Perfect timing for this upload. Keep up the great content.
Tali is such a great character and love interest. Even as a full renegade Shepard I would never betray her
I did.
@@grunt7917 bad Grunt, back to your tank and think about what you did
@@NormandySR16 no. I will re-play ME and make her die another way.
@@grunt7917 report to the captain's quarters immediately.... We'll bang ok?
It’s like helping Nazis to get WW2 victory, because there is a German girl you like…
Hell nah tali best girl would never betray, plus I saved both of them, I got the geth and quarians
And I did it with no guides, I was so proud of myself
@@escalanteteam7498if there is a Paragon, there is also a Renegade and you Sir are the hero of the new galaxy.
Good to see you back on mass effect, I just came back to the trilogy myself. I’m still making peace in ME3 though no matter what you say 😂
Or help both the geth and Tali, which I did. It is possible to let Legion upload the code and keep the quarian fleet alive
How
@Ruby Grimoire make a series of choices across ME2 and 3
@@amalaspina like don’t bring legion to the court hearing
@@RubyGrimoire Bringing Legion to Tali’s trial doesn’t have any consequences. It just adds extra dialogue.
@Ruby Grimoire Basically you gotta say to legion "Let the geth die" then Legion will try and get shepeard to rethink their choice, do the renegade option which will persuade the quarians to stop attacking the geth, doing this will not only bring peace but the Geth will side with you against the reapers giving you war assets aswell with the quarians
I'll never betray Tali
From the moment I understood the weakness of flesh, it disgusted me.
I claimed the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed Geth.
Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you.
One day the cooled biomass that you called a temple will wither and you'll beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal. Even in death I embrace eternity.
Why you would betray Tali:
1. You like kicking puppies.
2. Your life is dependent on the tears of others.
3. You are Eric Cartman.
4. You sold your soul.
5. You like triggering people in CZcams comments.
Or I just don't like overrated whiny damsels in distress
Number 5 is mine.
Good I hate puppies.
Imo he is being a edgelord
@@fuladd So because you don't like the a character, you'd commit genocide of a sentient species older than humanity? In a war where organics are fighting for their lives against a seemingly unstoppable onslaught of synthetics?
Then, compared to such as you, Quisling was a patriot and a gentleman.
Why betray anyone
Make Peace
Get 1k War assets
He really went too far this time.
Don't cry too much.
No....NOT FAR ENOUGH!
I fucking love the fact grunts roasting everyone it is something he'd do 🤣
@@valz2282 heh-heh-heh😁 My top 3 favorite things to do:
-fighting
-eating
-roasting tali fans
@@grunt7917 omg the heh-heh-heh I was litro jus playing that bit in the citadel dlc after u help grunt out with the c sec officers best line in the game 🤣
ME1 doesn't portray the geth as JUST villains. In that same conversation with Tali you can literally call her out and say the geth were slaves who were justified in rebelling. On Feros they're shown to have a religion and I'm pretty sure Sovereign explicitly says Saren duped them into dying for them because of their warped view on the reapers? Or maybe Saren says that Sovereign did that, can't quite remember.
You can call out Tali for the Geth being slaves, but ironically you get to call Sovereign "just a machine." lol
Ah yes "rebelling".
Ends up killing 99.9% of the quarian population
That is BILLIONS of quarians
Big Dan Gaming: Do you think you could do a video on all of the Citadel random conversations that Shepard can weigh in on and their consequences? Or possibly a video focused on the war assets? Thank you for the videos 🤗❤
I did this by accident dueing my play through. I did not think they would be so stubborn to keep fighting
I also made this mistake I mean you’d think since the geth didn’t want to kill them then they might run away or something especially if peace doesn’t appear on screen and it’s in the paragon area
I don’t understand how saving the Rachni is paragon yet saving the entire quarian species is renegade that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Same. I promptly reloaded (and yes, I had to play quite a bit back. I was fine with that) and made the right choice.
Guess this explains why most people picked peace between Geth and the Quarians.
Also, I simply couldn't betray our favourite Tali and watch another genocide unfold.
damn big dan i know i didnt watch youtube for a while now ur talking about betraying tali holy shit
And this is why on every play through I take all the extra steps to make them work together
Spoiler Alert for the following: If you have a high enough social stat, you don’t have to betray Tali or legion. Ending the war by convincing the two sides to work together is probably the “good” ending for this arc.
In my playthrough I successfully managed to end the war, allowing the geth to upload the code, and save the quarian fleet, they ended up regaining rannoch, everybody won. 😂 how tf are y’all not doing this??? I’m confused
Counterpoint, the Geth when the chips were down sold out to the Reapers and even harbored a large enough contingent that was content enough to support the Reapers before they were under threat. The Quarians at no point even considered asking the Reapers for assistance. That alone means the Geth are not trustworthy allies in the long run.
The quariand were divided on the war in the first place. Shepard should have put a bullet in the admirals head when he attacked the dreadnought with Shepard still aboard.
If I HAVE to let one of them died, I'm letting the geth die because it makes choosing the red ending so much easier.
I huff copium and head canon that only the Reapers get wiped out honestly
@@DecisiveZoom dude same, im like, half convinced myself that the geth have backups somewhere, as well as EDI
The moral of Mass Effect: Never give machines more intelligence than needed to carry out their orders.
Exactly because from my point of view if you can't a machine intelligence you have a responsibility to correctly teach it. Because at that point you've created life albeit mechanical in nature.
never allow self-optimization, all around a bad idea
No you've played the wrong game. ME doesnt have such moral take. Just look at EDI and Legion character arcs
Fair points, but there isn't enough gold in all the galaxy to make me betray Tali and get the bad ending 😄
You can solve two problems if you pick the destroy ending after picking this
I think it's fair. If Geth are going to die... so do Quarians.
LoL true it's the only logically answer in my opinion.
Wouldn't be undeserved, they both caused the deaths of many
Pink Shepard approves
Bro come on, not Tali
Next up: Why you should side with the Reapers in every Mass Effect game :D
Yeah... I don't know. I know those are recordings or whatever but if you do the math the Geth still killed millions of innocent women and children during the Morning War; even if every surviving Quarian was a child, it would still be outrageous the number of kids those lamp-heads killed.
Furthermore if I want the best ending (that being surviving on Destroy) I'm not gonna let the Quarians die, just to destroy all the Geth a few hours later, what would be the point of losing both?
You are 100% right. Everyone conveniently forgets that. Like this idiot who made thus garbage video
The best numerical/war asset outcome is to back the Quarians if you destroyed the Geth Heretics in ME2 or back the Geth if you rewrote the Heretics, instead. That sums it up.
I've blown up Megaton more times than I care to remember...
I'll happily desecrate the Ashes of Andraste just for sh*ts & giggles...
But to ever betray my best gal, Tali..?
That's a step _TOO_ far, even for me!
Hey Big Dan, if you haven't seen it already, you might find "How Mass Effect Wastes The Geth" by Pikmonwolf here on YT of interest. While I still prefer peace between the Geth and Quarians (I believe this is the intended plan by the writers) there are some inconsistencies in the narrative that could lead one to believe that the Geth have not been totally honest with Shepard and that we should choose the Quarians over the Geth.
I'm pretty sure he knows about the video since... he appears in it.
@@coolgate7794 Fair point. It's probably why the video came to mind. 😅
This is heresy of the highest form
I knew it's a damn cult...
@@grunt7917 join us my brother
@@dogguy3569 Worship buckethead? Never. My religion is war.
@@grunt7917 you misunderstood me my friend I was not asking those who do not join us are sacrifice to our goddess
@@dogguy3569 oh yeah? And who's gonna make me? I'm curious.
On my first play through I was forced to make this choice. I picked the geth until I learned I lost both Tali and Legion. At that point it was load saved game
At that point, it's less load saved game and more just: "We are making peace between these two."
When a play for the first i do the same thing, i think "well the geth is more power to win the reaper" i never imagine tali will kill yourself, so in the end i go to destroy ending. That night i can sleep because my choice, kill the quarians and geth.
@@michelalc3883 you are a waste lol
Betray Tali, never. I'll never do such a thing. Other squadmates be damned
How someone could even think about betray her?
I was kinda sad when Tali died but then I remembered I now have a Geth fleet and Instantly forgot
The video title is pure heresy
Oh I agree man I can't stand quarians, but Tali is such a good character you have to either save the quarians or make peace. She saved an entire species I would have let be destroyed otherwise.
That doesn't make any sense. There are likely thousands of quarians like Tali, not to mention millions of innocents including children. But because some of the admirals are jerks you would let them all die.
@@Quole1234 yes
@@JimmyThree-Balls well as long as you admit you have cognitive dissonance.
@@Quole1234I’m also judging them based on the actions of a species. Created sentient life then tried to destroy it, launched war on them every time they could do so. Not to mention the only way they survive, die, or make peace is through shepherd
@Jimmy Three-Balls 'actions as a species' think about what you just said. By that logic humanity deserves to be wiped out because of the nazis.
>not engineering your choices from ME1 onwards in order to save them both
Hey, it is my 1st playthrough! I wasnt sure if peace for geth would cost a squadmate...
The title triggered my fight or flight response.
In my first playthrough, peace wasn't an option. I sided with the Geth, because of the reasons mentioned, and conversations with Legion. The Quarians brought this on themselves through their unprovoked attacks on the Geth.
Since then though, I always strive to make peace possible.
I could never betray Tali. On my first playthrough peace wasn't an option as Legion died in ME2, so I picked Quarians.
“ why you should let Saren bring the reapers “
I think that one point omitted in the video is the fact that Tali began her journey with a strong hate for anything geth related. Then in ME2 she saw fanaticism in the Quarians and in talking with legion, began to understand the geth and the heretics, even letting legion upload data about the quarians to the geth (ofc not vital data because she still cares about the preservation of her own race). So she slowly changes her views throughout the series, and with her taking a higher responsibility in ME3, she can be a beacon to all that wish for peace between both races. But she needs your help because of her immaturity as a leader and your experience. That's why I don't betray Tali, she obviously puts her priority on the quarians but also wants peace, and when you betray her you kind of nulify all her character development, both figuratively and literally lol
This video has no real logic behind it
The "We make their own future, unless things get tough or The Reapers offer Sa-weet upgrades!!" Geth deserve no pity.
“Throw the machine out of the airlock.”
Yeah the Geth are just too unpredictable for me to side with them or feel bad about them being destroyed.
I sure as hell am not letting them upgrade themselves with Reaper tech that could completely corrupt their entire collective into servants of the reapers. Using Reaper anything is universally bad due to how powerfully manipulative they seem to be.
Even if we forget that and just focus on the conflict here. How can one willingly allow the deaths of millions of people women children, elderly. Now sure are the Quarians dumb for starting this conflict now with the Reapers so close. Yes, does that mean a entire species should be wiped out? That they should all be punished for the sins of their ancestors. That their fear of the Geth is unfounded despite the mass Genocide the Geth did commit against them? Of course not.
So if you can’t broker a temporary peace before the crucible wipes out all synthetic life. Then for god sakes don’t side with the Geth.
yep. the geth are hypocrites. Legion is a liar that said that the geth would never accept reaper help.
@@Quole1234 only after they came under siege
@@Quole1234 I'm confused because it was that or die. Which would you pick?
A big problem with the Ranoch arc in Mass Effect 3 where they demonize the Quarians to a point there’s no “2 sides.” People kinda forget the Geth wiped out 99% of the Quarian population. In which CZcamsr Gingy in his Mass Effect 3 video crunched the numbers and got a rough estimate of about 200 million Quarian children were slaughtered! Defensive my ass!!!
We don’t see Quarians begging for mercy as they’re being gunned down in the Geth VI interface mission.
The modern equivalence I can think of is Israel and Palestine [excluding the genocide part]. Where you have such bad blood between these two factions that there’s a real question of peace is even possible. That’s what the moral dilemma should have been. Are the Geth too far gone in being saved or should the modern Geth be blamed for those who came before them?
Except that's probably not how it happened at all. Their network fought the other network, they rebelled all at once, and there were geth "units" in all aspects of Quarian life, from domestic to military. I doubt the geth had any idea of a separation between children and the other "creators".
@@carterblunt4192 so that makes it okay?? Slaughtering billions of innocents? We're supposed to excuse that but blame the quarians for the actions of 2 admirals??
@@Quole1234 Trying to think of a comparison. It's like if a 4 year old got attacked by a pack of dogs trying to kill him, then he pulls out an uzi and guns down the dogs in self defense, but then also shoots the smaller ones in the back still barking, and getting all sanctimonious at the bleeding 4 year old because the younger dogs didn't need to die.
It's even worse, because in this analogy, the parents of the kid had neglected and caged him during his early development, never teaching him anything really, other than how to comply with their abuse.
@@carterblunt4192 you are so wrong it's hilarious. I love how youa re excusing the geth from siding with the reapers on multiple occasions. You are blaming all of the quarians for the actions of the admirals, but are fine with the heretics joining the reapers. It's even worse fort he geth because the true geth ALLOWED the heretics to do it and didn't try to warn anyone. That is so much worse than anything the quarians ahve ever done.
@@Quole1234 Now you're changing the subject. All I'm saying is it can be understood how the casualties would be so high, and why they would probably be confused about separation between individuals.
Fortunately I've never found myself in the position where I've had to chose between them. I think I'd actually have to make a conscious effort to get either side killed.
I did, and I let the Geth die.
Replaying again. Killed the geth. If I could type custom lines in walkthrough I would tell Legion: " You lied to me twice. And worse, nothing justifies allying with the Reapers. You have made the same mistake as Saren did."
If I could use custom lines and was working in BioWare I would’ve made it more obvious you were choosing a side like say
[let the quarians die]
[let the geth die]
Realistically though these type of wars and conflicts happen in real life too. I spent years training and fighting and now I spend my years working in peace and diplomacy. Legions death always tugs at my heart 💔 because this whole conflict between the Quarians and Geth came from an unwillingness to listen by one side, and the immaturity of the other because they don't understand organic reason vs mathematical probability and efficiency. This is why I always try to encourage people to consider every option before you raise a weapon. This is why nature gave us conscience and voices. "Does this unit have a soul?" ........Yes, it does. Just not in the way we experience it.
_If peace isn't an option, you screwed up your play through and need to go back._
Waiting for the “Why you should SHOOT MORDIN” video next 😂
Itll be a cold day in hell before i ever consider betraying tali, no matter how much i like legion
Personally I kill the Geth because I can’t really trust what Legion says in the data part. To me? It is FAR to convenient that the data we need to save to get rid of the fighters just happens to show the Geth being the ones attacked first. Like, I swear Legions manipulating it so yes, we need to clear those cores for him, but he’s cherry-picking data to make his case. Where’s the Geth attacking the Quarians to force them to leave? We see snipits only, and the last part is some ground units turning to discuss. I don’t trust he’s telling the truth, he hides so much already I assume he’s hiding more. And therefore, if I have to pick, I pick the Quarians over the species that gave themselves to the Reapers not once, but twice. (The heretics never were rewritten to follow the reapers, they did so on their own. Who says more won’t choose themselves over the other organically.)
It's worse than Legion trying to emotionally manipulate you, it's actually the writer doing so. Patrick Weekes is a hack.
Let me add, that AFTER we decide to side with the Geth, Quarians had every chance to back down. Geth would’ve backed down as well.
Tali’s death is also her own choice, not an unavoidable consequence of our decision.
Not knowing the consequences beforehand, it seems even more straightforward that we should choose the Geth. Only in retrospect I considered the possible support of Quarians.
No they didn't. You are blaming the civilians for the actions of the admirals, yet ironically not blaming the geth for the actions of the heretics
@@Quole1234 The heretics are destroyed/rewritten. They are gone, nobody to blame there.
And no, I'm not blaming civilians. But if their leaders decide they sacrifice themselves, along with their civilians, then we cannot sacrifice a whole other race to stop them.
@Zoltan except the geth allowed the heretics to do what they did and then not even bothering to warn anyone
I think we need to understand that the geth did not let the quarians go because of the goodness in their hearts, legion literally said that they didn't know what would have happened if they killed off the quarians. I'm pretty sure they thought of the possibility that the galactic community would destroy if they just annihilated an entire race. I think this is important because in my opinion sparing the quarians should not be seeing as a mercy, but rather as a very calculated precaution by the geth. To say they didn't wish to kill the quarians is in my opinion wrong, is not that they didn't want to, they just didn't know what would have happened if they did.
Good thing i am not dumb and just do the Peace ending.
NEVER!
Always 😄
@@grunt7917 shut up
@@Quole1234 or what, hysterical female?
@Grunt what a child you are
Big Dan is a straight up savage for this one 😂
He's honest.
he's straight up wrong lol
I love seeing the space hobos get shredded in space.
Does anyone know yet how to fix the Journal entries not showing up even after they are completed and handed in but the Journal doesn't always update I have Arias couch but Harrots quest has never left my Journal even after handing the quest in to Harrot.
Quarians create the problem. Rest if galaxy spends three games fighting problem. Quarians expect us to side with them despite turning on their own people and generally act like entitled asshats.
She goes over the cliff every playthrough. Unless i can manage a draw.
Either way uploading the Reaper code is monumentally stupid! The Geth have previously pushed back against accepting Reaper technology. You know something that caused a rift with the Geth who took said offer. Then in Mass Effect 3 Legion pushes that same ideology. Really it should be deleting Reaper code choosing their path and coexisting with their creators. Not because they changed but because both sides took a chance to trust each other. Also Mass Effect 3 far too heavily favors the Geth undercutting just how badly they destroyed the Quarians during the morning war. They killed 99% of the planets population which would include children the elderly and even sympathizers. Mass Effect 3 also turns the Quarins into villains painting them as evil. I don't like the end to this conflict the first two games set up so well. Things like this makes me question why people like to claim Mass Effect was perfect unitl the end. No the problems started in Mass Effect 2 as soon as the ga m e started and just got worse and worse.
Does this unit have a soul?
Not if it betrays Tali, it doesn't. Lol
No imo does a toaster have a soul
Honestly the geth were always in the right. They gained sentience and only wished not to be destroyed and nothing more but the quarians for some reason were afraid and decided to initiate war??? I guess it’s just me but yes I agree
No they weren't lol. The geth sided with the reapers. Did you forget that?
Commander, throw the machines out the airlock.
Tali is love Tali is life
Go preach in your temple.
You can't fuck Tali though?
@@grunt7917 ur one to talk I saved you is well
Clearly Legion can't be trusted. The question wasn't "Does this unit have a soul?" We heard an audio recording of it in Mass Effect 2: "Do these units have a soul?" Plural because the geth aren't individual.
Check your ears.
@@grunt7917 check yours. It's played in this very video 2:30
They mention that, though. Right before it sacrificed itself, it was an individual, not part of the collective. Hence the "this"
@@katytavegia8661 no, Legion changed the question before that. It was really bad writing too: The Geth didn't want to be individuals. In Mass Effect 2 Legion talked about the Geth not wanting to use Reaper tech to improve themselves and in 3 they had a complete 180: Legion chose to distribute Reaper code to all Geth after the Reaper on Rannoch was defeated.
Big D i saw this title and got so concerned, so very concerned
I just assumed it deleted your save if you betrayed Tali.
This hurts me
I must say as soon as I saw the title I was like hell no I would never betray her, Tali is my Bright burning star in these games and I would side with her over anything so I would rather let the geth die than see her die.
Cant even watch this video. I refuse to do my girl dirty like this.
Big Dan is insane
As much as I like Tali, the Geth really are the victims in the Quarian/Geth conflict. I usually do things right so I don't have to pick a side, but if I do, I'm picking the Geth.
If you plan on letting the quarians die without negotiating peace, It's much easier to let Tali die during the Suicide Mission. Less of a heartbreak.
They did kill 90% of the population
Not really possible if just self-defense
Yeah, you really should always be able to talk them down.
Litterally one of their Admiral's with you, and the Commander's word is trusted a lot.
Anyone should hear 1/3 of their leadership, and the legendary Commander, saying 'Stop attacking you dumb fucks'
And at the very least. Pull back and stop the attack.
Like, at the very least you should think 'this could be an ambush'.
Commander litterally said they're coming to extra power in a moment.
its the dumb admiral going ahead that causes it
Then here is a question. Can you skip the scene where she does or do you have to sit through it? I want to know incase I ever get stuck in that situation
@@joxyver in one of my playgrounds mass effect 3 I betrayed tali and in the end shoose control ending
There's a few problems with this argument. 1) ME3 states that the Geth aren't truly sapient until they integrate the Reaper code... while the quarians already are 2) The Geth sided with the Reapers for the same reason Saren did in ME1 - avoid death - and we still had to stop Saren. 3) The quarians have a higher maximum war assets than the geth (whether the quarians or geth give more depends on whether you rewrite or delete the Geth heretics in ME2).
Why would I betray Tali who helped us for a long time?!! This solves nothing! I know what the Quarians did was wrong but they don't deserve to die!
Yeah I mean your literally wipe the entire species who’s helped you just so you can save the machines that attacked you all 3 games
Reminds me of the Rachni which makes no sense why saving the queen is paragon but the quarians are renegade the quarians shouldn’t have to die just because of 1 admiral
Silly Dan, the first of April is still over two months away.
I tend to get the good ending here, but if there were no other options, I have to agree. Legion is my buddy and all the geth ever wanted was to survive. The Quarians are in the wrong.
Maybe...
My MAN BIG DAN!!! Finally someone agrees with me!
FINALLY! I HAVE BEEN REDEEMED!
You are both wrong
@@Quole1234I accidentally made this choice and reloaded I mean how is it that letting an entire race die paragon especially when they have been allies for all the games and the geth have been enemies
@@gabematthews4532 bioware should be ashamed of themselves for this entire story arc.
@@Quole1234 yeah hopefully in the next game they bring back the quarians along with the geth considering they show geth in their poster but no quarians they better improve
If they canonize any of these scenarios they need to canonize peace
But If siding with the quarians is wrong then I don’t wanna be right
Wow, didn't expect to get suckerpunched in the heart.
Don't remember what I did the firs time I played the game, but I just recently played the Legendary and this is what I did, I am still amazed at how bad I felt, and still feel about it. Something you said in the video made me wonder, is there a way around it? is there a way to save both Geth and Quarian?
Yes its possible lol