Legion speaks in a straightforward and laconic fashion, often answering with single words. When it uses whole sentences, their word structure is very organized. Legion regards itself not as a single being, but as a gestalt entity which must achieve consensus to act. Legion expresses admiration for EDI, because unlike the geth, who are made up of different processes that rely on each other, EDI handles all the functions on the Normandy by herself, though Legion also questions how she manages to maintain stability. Legion occasionally expresses its disapproval of how EDI's activities and development are shackled aboard the Normandy.
you can get him from the beginning of the game via mods. there is actually dialogue for allmost every mission, because bioware intended for the player to get him earlier in the game
At TosiKivaIhminen Really? That would have been so AWESOME! Why did they use an organisation that was Shepards enemy for the entire first game? :( The true Geth weren't really enemies at all, just that everyone thought they were the same as the heretics XD
I feel like the geth are the closest to what artificial intelligence would be like in the real world, logical and wish no harme but Will defend themselves if necessary.
Am I the only one that wanted to hug Legion when he said "What did we do wrong?" Although I can only imagine his reaction... "You are attempting to use a physical gesture to cause emotional reassurance. We... appreciate the gesture."
if you think about it, This question must be the second question more done for the Geths. "Does this unit have a soul?" was an innocent question that started a war... but "what did we do wrong?" must be the second one... Because do you imagine how they must feel when the creators became their executors? At a point, they were like child, that never asked for existance, and they were there... because of them and instead of guidess they found fear and hate... Not understanding why the creator reacted that way.
This whole mission is how they are pure machine driven by programming and not emotion. He would probably call you racist again for trying to treat him like an organic.
Leqion Dammit why does the Legion screen name get all the likes and my comment none? :( We don't even know if that's the real Legion, could easily just be an impostor :P
With me Legion died and Zaeed survived while both of them could have died Fuck me right I didn't know forbidding him one thing could have him fucking die
Yeah, it's interesting the way animators give non-humans different emotive features. Legion's face flaps remind me of birds' feathers. When he's mad, he spreads them the way geese do their wings, to show aggression.
@@LivelyPaint turians' mandible things are also another cool example. I remember EDI breaks down in the Citadel DLC, and if Garrus is in your squad he'll say 'crap' and do a funny thing with his mandibles. I think it's meant to mean he's distressed but I always found it funny.
One thing I love about Legion is that he was implied to actually be an individual from the start but didn't realize or want to accept it. After all, when he dies, the Geth VI insists he/they are not Legion, and it is made clear through dialogue that this is at least partly the case, as his distrust (if not outright dislike) for organics is made clear. I don't think the instances in which he refers to himself as "I" were accidents on the script's part, but rather on accident on Legion's part.
I agree, it's hinted he's always in turmoil in whether he's an individual or not. "Does this unit have a soul?" His question that started the whole Quarian/Geth conflict
I noticed that during his death in ME3, when Tali'Zorah says "Legion. The answer to your question was "yes"'. "I know, Creator Tali'zorah" "*I* know." That's not an accident in the script at all.
Never understood how characters like Miranda and Liara survive in near vacuum environments wearing little more than normal armour and a breathing mask.
mvp It's a valid question, and considering that most everything else in the Mass Effect lore is viable, it makes sense to question why something like that wasn't fully thought over. It's not nitpicking, at least not in this context, it's just odd.
For me it's Garrus, Wrex for respectively the 1st and 2nd place and then either Legion or Tali for the 3rd place. I'm not decided on which one I like better between the two later.
The "What did we do wrong?" always gets me a little. As intelligent and powerful as the Geth are, and despite our very blinkered racial memories, it shows how young the Geth really are. We naturally understand the inherent division of individuality, but it must seem so alien to Legion.
I got lost in Legion's techno-talk a decade ago. So this mission was merely played through but vaguely understood. Looking at this as a much older person, I get it now.
One of the reasons I liked ME2 the best of the series was that the renegade options aren't just dickish or evil. A lot of times they actually make a lot of sense. I had a significantly higher percentage of renegade choices on my first playthrough, where I chose what I would actually chose since I don't know the consequences, than ME or ME3.
MPrime I know this comment is old as hell but I just caught up with the trilogy and from my experience ME2 renegate was far more mean and violent than rather reasonable but assertive ME1 renegate. I got a feeling like its not the same shepard but some kind of a bully and I played renegate as my first walkthrough
@@sbsbsb6057 Not at all. Mass effect 1 is petty. Mass effect 2 is petty but pragmatic. Mass effect 3 is pragmatic and pessimistic. What specifically do you have a problem with? Out of any of the "Renegade" choices. For example the Genophage "renegade" choice, the worry is that the Krogan will kill millions seeking revenge for the genophage and start a new galactic Krogan empire. This is legitimately concerning, and in case you didn't know, DOES happen given certain requirements. If you kill Wrex in mass effect 1, Wreav will be the Urdnot representative in ME2 and 3. While Wrex is more level-headed supportive of peace, Wreav is the opposite. Also, if you do not save Maelons data in mass effect 2, Eve will die while making the cure. She is key in uniting the Krogan, and if she is dead and Wreav is alive, the Krogan DO sweep the galaxy in a vengeful killing spree.
This video just highlights why I love Legion. Bioware created something that manages to emote and act without a single bit of its appearance being definably human short of being bipedal. It's using a bunch of metal, er, polymer plates and just twitching them around, and here we are still getting an emotional concept out of what amounts to a flashlight glued to an umbrella.
Everytime I watch a clip of Legion, I'm reminded of how I felt when Legion sacrificed themselves for the Geth. GODDAMMIT. The feels will ne'er go away. Best character that BioWare ever created IMHO.
I always liked the writing and delivery for Legion. Noticed how at the end they are musing about something, and then immediately and abruptly about face with "this topic is irrelevant". Like there actually are many minds in the platform and one of the different perspectives stepped in and put a stop to the discussion.
Honestly I hated how he didn’t get the screen time he deserved. All because of an oversight at how large their game actually was. I would have loved a fully free roam mass effect 2 and getting the option to pick up legion right off the bat
There have been systole hints through all the games, regardless of if it was intended. For instance, Saren at the end of Mass Effect states he is the Pinnacle of Organic Evolution, a melding of Synthetic and Organic.
legion is the sheperd of the geth...the only platform interfering with organics...(hint the n7 armor too) while sheperd is the only organic interfering with synthetics..
this is true with so many characters. Wrex is the shepherd of the Krogan, Garrus of the Turian and Tali of the Quarian. They each lead ther respective species to unity, victory and safety and together they achieve peace among their species. That's why I hate that the Nexus left the milky way during the reaper invasion and not afterwards because it is the aftermath that brings all the species together including the krogans and are only made possible because of the heroic deeds of the members of the normandy.
Of all the choices in ME2, the heretic station was the one that made me most uncomfortable. Brainwashing the heretics is just as wrong, maybe even more so than killing them. Taking away their free will goes against the geth's ideology of self-determination. It certainly shouldn't be the Paragon choice.
That's the thing about the Paragon choices. They aren't always the righteous or good ones. They're just not as harsh and angry as the Renegade choices. Either choice, in this case, results in something that could be viewed as morally questionable.
That's the problem with binary morality in games. That's not how morality works. Far more interesting are the games where there is no so-called morality meter, there's just choices and consequences. The Witcher 2 is an incredible example of this in action (the first a little less so), where the game plays-out wildly differently based on your choices, and there are seriously compelling reasons to chose any of them. Very little right and wrong or moral absolutes.
***** agreed. Bioware should drop the current morality system and make something like The Witcher 2, where there's no right or wrong, only choices and consequences.
Bruno Araújo That's already what they have. Shoot Wrex or don't shoot Wrex: neither choice was right, just one was quicker and easier. Cure the Genophage or sabotage it: again, neither choice is right. Once again, one is quicker and easier. The whole point of the Paragon/Renegade scale was that it wasn't a morality system, it's just Shepard's attitude towards everything.
***** Unfortunately it does also play into binary good/bad choices. Take the case of Mouse. You can talk to him, or beat him up, which is effectively torture. The former is permissible, the latter is morally objectionable. Or there's the situation with the suicidal person at the dock in ME1. Shepard's renegade option? Shoot her. That's another clearly wrong choice. Our own society, flawed as it may be, doesn't even operate close to that way. For police, and even the military (well, at least in most Western nations), shooting is the *last* option, not the first, and certainly not a "yeah but I just want to go to my ship and get a light lunch, so shoot them" kind of choice. And even then, the problem isn't that the scale is "good/bad", it's that that the system is still a binary one. Your actions are either in the paragon or renegade camp. The middle road, while it sometimes exists, is *still* scored on that binary scale. If there is any "right" way to play, it's to max both bars so that you get the most options possible in future dialogue. I found this leads to a Shepard that usually makes the most ethically sound choices possible, but is also very blunt with people and yells a bit. A fairly enjoyable character, but it still establishes a right way to play. The point with the Witcher 2 example was that in a system where moral choices aren't scored like that, you end-up with a far more interesting system of choices and consequences, rather than choices and "Oh damn, I didn't make enough blue choices so now I can't get out of this without killing everyone because I don't have the blue choice".
"What did we do wrong?" poor baby, or... babies? Idk I just wanna give him a hug. Then it will probably be taken as an act of aggression and i'll be shot in the stomach but it's worth it really.
*Psalm 23 - A Legion's Prayer:* The Commander is my Shepard, I shall not want. He makes me to fight in green pastures. He leads me beside giant Reapers. He restores my shields. He guides me along the linear game path, for the ease of the developer's sake. Yea, tho Legion walks through the valley of the migrant of the fleet, He will fear no Quarians, for the Shepard art with him. His rifle and ridiculous biotic powers they comfort him. He prepares some whoop-ass before me in the presence of mine enemies. He annoints my character with level-ups. My skill: overloads. Surely cerberus killing and planet-mining will follow me all the days of my life. And I will dwell in the ship of the Normandy of the Commander Shepard forever. "I should go"
God the episodic and character writing in this game was so good. Suffers a bit from middle-episode-syndrome, but aside from that... Such an amazing game.
Windows are weaknesses? Sure. Optical sensors, aka. CAMERAS, however? They should have several, pointing in all directions with overlapping fields of view. Heck, they don't need air, they could have Geth platforms just standing guard on the surface of the station. But no, the plot required them to be stupid, so they were stupid and didn't look.
They're already breaking traditions and optimising by forfeiting windows for improved structural integrity... But then they screwed up by ignoring the entire visible electromagnetic spectrum in their scans, literally leaving them blind. And it's not like they don't know cameras - their mobile platforms can see just fine, they all have cameras installed. It's only their space station which they left "open" like that, when all they needed were a few sensors which humans of *today* can put into any smartphone. That camera at the back of your phone? It could detect the Normandy. But the Geth just plain forgot about that.
+Radicaldanny Yes, but if I remember correctly, Legion mentions that they need the Normandy's stealth systems to approach the station unnoticed, so the station is apparently secured... except not really.
+Radicaldanny Yes, but if I remember correctly, Legion mentions that they need the Normandy's stealth systems to approach the station unnoticed, so the station is apparently secured... except not really.
Small correction. +2 Non-exiled Tali +2 for dead Heretcis +1 for completing Rannoch: Save the Admiral +1 for actually saving Koris +1 if Tali and Legion aren't on bad terms by the end of ME2 (the conflict scene after the completion of both their loyalty missions ended well).
It's pretty fascinating how this one mission showed that Geth really aren't all that different than the rest of the galaxy, despite Legion insisting they don't feel emotions or pain, that they accept and understand each other fully, you can tell by it's voice alone Legion is pretty much totally heartbroken at the realization it's own people would turn on each other, that they'd intentionally hurt each other, and even though the Heretics are traitors planning on brainwashing the other Geth, it still cares for them, cause they're still family
We got fucking robbed of Legion. I wish he had more time in 2. Fucking make him the first squad mate you get after Miranda and Jacob. He is such a unique character.
Regarding that last exchange: The irony here is that the platform calling itself Legion was already in the process of evolving its own individual personality. Hence the N7 pauldron it chose to wear, purely out of sentiment. By the events of ME3, Legion had essentially completed this metamorphosis of individual sentience, and referred to itself as an individual before its self-sacrifice. Whereas individualism drove the heretic geth to intolerance and distrust, individualism compelled the Legion platform toward altruism and compassion.
I love hacking the save file to unlock legion from the get go. It's surprising because all main missions have dialogue for him even tho you can't unlock him till late into the game, Just shows the dev team was thinking about making him usable sooner. He only does not have dialogue if I remember correctly is on the reaper ship as that's where you find him.
+HeeroYuy911 There is dialogue for every squad member at almost every part of the game. The dev team recorded all the lines first, and decided when you would encounter the characters later. This was to make it easier on them if they wanted to change the plot later.
My only guess, and I consider this likely given the passage of time and Legion's own experiences with the Reaper code, understanding what it could do for his people, is that his POV simply changed. He learned, he observed, and understood the benefits outweighed the risks or drawbacks. And the benefits are clear. It was the code that, in allowing them to achieve sentience, actually made them a viable force to assault the Reaper fleet. I think it's likely that Legion recognized this.
@paulwilliambowling I like how they did it in the first one. They would let you collect everyone, but Liara (if I'm not mistaken) when you first get on the citidal. You had many missions after that to do them with you squad members. In ME2 I usually got everybody, then did their loyalty missions.
Honestly, I rewrote the Geth considering the War Asset System of ME3. That and considering John Connor and Kate Brewster in the Terminator movies (T2 and T3) rewrote the Terminator's programming before it goes back in time to do it's mission, it seemed most logical to me.
Nylz Ber It's still possible, ME3 has stages where you can make up the points like saving a Quarian Politician rather than his team and the Geth fighter mission.
nintendoboy17 idk but i did ALL that would take to unite like saving admiral koris and that weird geth network server something but i still rewrote the geth heretics in my past save soo i couldnt choose the rally the fleet option ...... Truth is, you rewrite the geth then ofc qurians try to kill them then they become desperate then they accept the reapers code ...... sooo yeah, it doesnt work out .... I was sooo sad how legion died when you cant unite them soo i got back to mass effect 2 on legion's loyalty quest then destroy the geth heretics then i played ME3 all over again..... lemme just say TOTALLY WORTH IT
Nylz Ber I don't know either. I rewrote the geth, and in the end, Geth and Quarians living together and rebuilding (as far as I know, haven't quite completed the game yet). Still sad about Legion though.
Anyone else feel a little sad when Legion says "What did we do wrong?"
+iTzVisionz Legion's entire speech, for some reason, makes me feel.. well.. feel.
BitemyShiny MetalAss It makes you feel feelings that can only be felt. :D
Legion speaks in a straightforward and laconic fashion, often answering
with single words. When it uses whole sentences, their word structure is
very organized. Legion regards itself not as a single being, but as a
gestalt entity which must achieve consensus to act. Legion expresses
admiration for EDI, because unlike the geth, who are made up of
different processes that rely on each other, EDI handles all the
functions on the Normandy by herself, though Legion also questions how
she manages to maintain stability. Legion occasionally expresses its
disapproval of how EDI's activities and development are shackled aboard
the Normandy.
I didn’t realize that a machine could crush my heart into little pieces...poor Legion.
BitemyShiny MetalAss fave robot character of all time
I like it when he says Shepard-Commander.
It's how Geth record name and rank most likely.
It's my notification sound
*him
Legion speak like Shepard is a Type of Commander
@@twls153 He's... not wrong?
No excuse to not have legion as a squadmate in ME3. Plain and simple, we got robbed of Legion in ME2, as we only had him for like 3 main missions.
you can get him from the beginning of the game via mods.
there is actually dialogue for allmost every mission, because bioware intended for the player to get him earlier in the game
*not earlier, originally the geth rebuild shepard instead of cerberus
At TosiKivaIhminen
Really? That would have been so AWESOME!
Why did they use an organisation that was Shepards enemy for the entire first game? :(
The true Geth weren't really enemies at all, just that everyone thought they were the same as the heretics XD
I feel like the geth are the closest to what artificial intelligence would be like in the real world, logical and wish no harme but Will defend themselves if necessary.
+Tony Davidson Yep. I'd be pissed too if my creators just attacked us out of nowhere.
3:40 "How could we have become so different? Why can we no longer understand each other? What did we do wrong..?" T_T I just want to give him a hug.
I knooow T_T
that's DC Douglas for you
@@sbsbsb6057
Legion: ... Shepherd-Comander why are you immobilizing us?
Shepherd: I'm trying to hug you?
Legion: ...why?
我喜欢耶稣JP awwww
@@JP-rf8rr Shepherd: Because you are a previous boy who needs protecting
“What did we do wrong”
Absolutely nothing my little baby 🥺
Am I the only one that wanted to hug Legion when he said "What did we do wrong?" Although I can only imagine his reaction... "You are attempting to use a physical gesture to cause emotional reassurance. We... appreciate the gesture."
I actually wish he was around long enough to show that kinda reaction
It doesn't matter😢😭
I feel so bad for the geth ;(
"what did we do wrong?"
Its so fucked up
if you think about it, This question must be the second question more done for the Geths. "Does this unit have a soul?" was an innocent question that started a war... but "what did we do wrong?" must be the second one... Because do you imagine how they must feel when the creators became their executors? At a point, they were like child, that never asked for existance, and they were there... because of them and instead of guidess they found fear and hate... Not understanding why the creator reacted that way.
This whole mission is how they are pure machine driven by programming and not emotion. He would probably call you racist again for trying to treat him like an organic.
Legion is the coolest squadmate ever
Acknowledged
Leqion
Dammit why does the Legion screen name get all the likes and my comment none? :(
We don't even know if that's the real Legion, could easily just be an impostor :P
Radicaldanny Yeah, like the Geth AI in the third game
With me Legion died and Zaeed survived while both of them could have died
Fuck me right
I didn't know forbidding him one thing could have him fucking die
I still prefer Garrus and Wrex, but Legion is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite. I would hesitate between Tali and Legion for the 3rd place.
I love Legion's expressive head flaps. Interestingly, I just started replaying Half-Life 2 and it's episodes, and I noticed DOG has them as well.
Yeah, it's interesting the way animators give non-humans different emotive features. Legion's face flaps remind me of birds' feathers. When he's mad, he spreads them the way geese do their wings, to show aggression.
LivelyPaint
Do humans ?
Do humans what?
Does he? I must have missed that. Still, my point is that the animators utilize them well.
@@LivelyPaint turians' mandible things are also another cool example. I remember EDI breaks down in the Citadel DLC, and if Garrus is in your squad he'll say 'crap' and do a funny thing with his mandibles. I think it's meant to mean he's distressed but I always found it funny.
One thing I love about Legion is that he was implied to actually be an individual from the start but didn't realize or want to accept it. After all, when he dies, the Geth VI insists he/they are not Legion, and it is made clear through dialogue that this is at least partly the case, as his distrust (if not outright dislike) for organics is made clear. I don't think the instances in which he refers to himself as "I" were accidents on the script's part, but rather on accident on Legion's part.
I agree, it's hinted he's always in turmoil in whether he's an individual or not. "Does this unit have a soul?" His question that started the whole Quarian/Geth conflict
This is actually referenced by Cole in DAI, when he says "the question is the answer"
I noticed that during his death in ME3, when Tali'Zorah says "Legion. The answer to your question was "yes"'.
"I know, Creator Tali'zorah"
"*I* know."
That's not an accident in the script at all.
Jesse Lee Humphry
EDI speaks about that instance.
This time it wasn’t an accident. At that moment Legion was fully self aware and individual
@@rustkarl
Too bad that little part only happens after the code reaches the error. That part was easily one of the best moments in Mass Effect.
Never understood how characters like Miranda and Liara survive in near vacuum environments wearing little more than normal armour and a breathing mask.
Biotic fields FTW.
MVPSSY
Aside from the existance of Element 0, and the dumb masks in vacuum environments, everything in Mass Effect is physically viable.
If you're wondering how they eat and breathe, and other science facts
Just repeat to yourself: "It's just a game. I should really just relax."
mvp It's a valid question, and considering that most everything else in the Mass Effect lore is viable, it makes sense to question why something like that wasn't fully thought over. It's not nitpicking, at least not in this context, it's just odd.
mvp
Its a serious game.
joker's robot impression made me laugh so hard
"So why did you use my armour to fix yourself?"
"....there was a hole..."😶
Unarguably the cutest Legion moment apart from his gamer status
My top 3 squadmates are Tali, Garrus and Legion.
We are also our favorite.
Pretty much. I love the Krogans, but Legion and Tali are special. Garrus is the top squadmate by default.
For me it's Garrus, Wrex for respectively the 1st and 2nd place and then either Legion or Tali for the 3rd place. I'm not decided on which one I like better between the two later.
Same!
Garrus and Tali. Garrus was Shepard’s best friend, and Tali was his girlfriend. And Ashley was so clingy.
The "What did we do wrong?" always gets me a little. As intelligent and powerful as the Geth are, and despite our very blinkered racial memories, it shows how young the Geth really are. We naturally understand the inherent division of individuality, but it must seem so alien to Legion.
I got lost in Legion's techno-talk a decade ago. So this mission was merely played through but vaguely understood. Looking at this as a much older person, I get it now.
One of the reasons I liked ME2 the best of the series was that the renegade options aren't just dickish or evil. A lot of times they actually make a lot of sense. I had a significantly higher percentage of renegade choices on my first playthrough, where I chose what I would actually chose since I don't know the consequences, than ME or ME3.
MPrime I know this comment is old as hell but I just caught up with the trilogy and from my experience ME2 renegate was far more mean and violent than rather reasonable but assertive ME1 renegate. I got a feeling like its not the same shepard but some kind of a bully and I played renegate as my first walkthrough
Well infact they are sometimes brutal, but at the same time normal.
Like killing that Mechanic Guy so the Mission with Garrus is easier.
And all that.
@@sbsbsb6057 Not at all.
Mass effect 1 is petty.
Mass effect 2 is petty but pragmatic.
Mass effect 3 is pragmatic and pessimistic.
What specifically do you have a problem with? Out of any of the "Renegade" choices. For example the Genophage "renegade" choice, the worry is that the Krogan will kill millions seeking revenge for the genophage and start a new galactic Krogan empire. This is legitimately concerning, and in case you didn't know, DOES happen given certain requirements.
If you kill Wrex in mass effect 1, Wreav will be the Urdnot representative in ME2 and 3. While Wrex is more level-headed supportive of peace, Wreav is the opposite. Also, if you do not save Maelons data in mass effect 2, Eve will die while making the cure. She is key in uniting the Krogan, and if she is dead and Wreav is alive, the Krogan DO sweep the galaxy in a vengeful killing spree.
This video just highlights why I love Legion. Bioware created something that manages to emote and act without a single bit of its appearance being definably human short of being bipedal. It's using a bunch of metal, er, polymer plates and just twitching them around, and here we are still getting an emotional concept out of what amounts to a flashlight glued to an umbrella.
Literally the greatest explanation of geth; “A flashlight glued to an umbrella” 😂😂😂
That geth base in beginning of vid looks like Benezia's hat
mind blown :o
Drago Trent
Hat detected. Preparing for evasive maneuvers!
... or like in one comic I recently readed
"Hats have no structural weaknesses"
Ykskolme
Mess Perfect right?
awesomesauce980
What else could it be? =D
Though that comic is kinda old, how have I missed it so long, dunno
Everytime I watch a clip of Legion, I'm reminded of how I felt when Legion sacrificed themselves for the Geth. GODDAMMIT.
The feels will ne'er go away.
Best character that BioWare ever created IMHO.
Coolest one as well.
I always liked the writing and delivery for Legion. Noticed how at the end they are musing about something, and then immediately and abruptly about face with "this topic is irrelevant". Like there actually are many minds in the platform and one of the different perspectives stepped in and put a stop to the discussion.
Legion was the best written character in ME2. Fantastic job. His dialogue was unparallelled
Honestly I hated how he didn’t get the screen time he deserved.
All because of an oversight at how large their game actually was.
I would have loved a fully free roam mass effect 2 and getting the option to pick up legion right off the bat
"If this is the individuality you value, we question your judgement"
Seems like some subtle setup for the synthesis ending in retrospect, doesn't it?
Considering they didn't plan on the current endings at this time. No.
They still might have taken this quote into consideration when deciding for the endings later on.
There have been systole hints through all the games, regardless of if it was intended. For instance, Saren at the end of Mass Effect states he is the Pinnacle of Organic Evolution, a melding of Synthetic and Organic.
+vT Warlord subtle*
Fuck the synthesis ending
legion is the sheperd of the geth...the only platform interfering with organics...(hint the n7 armor too) while sheperd is the only organic interfering with synthetics..
this is true with so many characters. Wrex is the shepherd of the Krogan, Garrus of the Turian and Tali of the Quarian. They each lead ther respective species to unity, victory and safety and together they achieve peace among their species. That's why I hate that the Nexus left the milky way during the reaper invasion and not afterwards because it is the aftermath that brings all the species together including the krogans and are only made possible because of the heroic deeds of the members of the normandy.
Of all the choices in ME2, the heretic station was the one that made me most uncomfortable. Brainwashing the heretics is just as wrong, maybe even more so than killing them. Taking away their free will goes against the geth's ideology of self-determination. It certainly shouldn't be the Paragon choice.
That's the thing about the Paragon choices. They aren't always the righteous or good ones. They're just not as harsh and angry as the Renegade choices. Either choice, in this case, results in something that could be viewed as morally questionable.
That's the problem with binary morality in games. That's not how morality works.
Far more interesting are the games where there is no so-called morality meter, there's just choices and consequences. The Witcher 2 is an incredible example of this in action (the first a little less so), where the game plays-out wildly differently based on your choices, and there are seriously compelling reasons to chose any of them. Very little right and wrong or moral absolutes.
***** agreed. Bioware should drop the current morality system and make something like The Witcher 2, where there's no right or wrong, only choices and consequences.
Bruno Araújo That's already what they have.
Shoot Wrex or don't shoot Wrex: neither choice was right, just one was quicker and easier.
Cure the Genophage or sabotage it: again, neither choice is right. Once again, one is quicker and easier.
The whole point of the Paragon/Renegade scale was that it wasn't a morality system, it's just Shepard's attitude towards everything.
***** Unfortunately it does also play into binary good/bad choices. Take the case of Mouse. You can talk to him, or beat him up, which is effectively torture. The former is permissible, the latter is morally objectionable.
Or there's the situation with the suicidal person at the dock in ME1. Shepard's renegade option? Shoot her. That's another clearly wrong choice. Our own society, flawed as it may be, doesn't even operate close to that way. For police, and even the military (well, at least in most Western nations), shooting is the *last* option, not the first, and certainly not a "yeah but I just want to go to my ship and get a light lunch, so shoot them" kind of choice.
And even then, the problem isn't that the scale is "good/bad", it's that that the system is still a binary one. Your actions are either in the paragon or renegade camp. The middle road, while it sometimes exists, is *still* scored on that binary scale. If there is any "right" way to play, it's to max both bars so that you get the most options possible in future dialogue. I found this leads to a Shepard that usually makes the most ethically sound choices possible, but is also very blunt with people and yells a bit. A fairly enjoyable character, but it still establishes a right way to play.
The point with the Witcher 2 example was that in a system where moral choices aren't scored like that, you end-up with a far more interesting system of choices and consequences, rather than choices and "Oh damn, I didn't make enough blue choices so now I can't get out of this without killing everyone because I don't have the blue choice".
"What did we do wrong?" poor baby, or... babies? Idk I just wanna give him a hug. Then it will probably be taken as an act of aggression and i'll be shot in the stomach but it's worth it really.
hunter goetz nah he would understand (the geth watched organics interact for a very long time)
This platform questions your sanity.
SHEPARD COMMANDER!!!
Hey Legion could give me some gaming advice ?
Wrex to legion it's Shepard
Genji UwU
I love the Terminator reference at 2:16... anyone else catch it?
0:54 Geth do not infiltrate
idk why, but when legion asked, "what did we do wrong?" i felt a little ping of sadness in my chest...
*Psalm 23 - A Legion's Prayer:*
The Commander is my Shepard, I shall not want.
He makes me to fight in green pastures.
He leads me beside giant Reapers.
He restores my shields.
He guides me along the linear game path,
for the ease of the developer's sake.
Yea, tho Legion walks through the valley of the migrant of the fleet,
He will fear no Quarians, for the Shepard art with him.
His rifle and ridiculous biotic powers they comfort him.
He prepares some whoop-ass before me in the presence of mine enemies.
He annoints my character with level-ups.
My skill: overloads.
Surely cerberus killing and planet-mining will follow me all the days of my life.
And I will dwell in the ship of the Normandy of the Commander Shepard forever.
"I should go"
.......We can make a religion out of this
W E S H O U L D M A K E A R E L I G I O N O U T O F T H I S
3:36 First time in awhile I've seen an AI be genuinely sad over something worth getting sad about.
DC Douglas killing as always.
As expected from Wesker's VA 😎
Legion and Garrus will ensure complete. Global. Calibrations.
legion and tali are my favorite
Yeah, they are both equally adorable! =3
I so wanted to hug him when he said "What did we do wrong?"
I want a flashlight for a head!!!
He's the most unique member
I don't like Legion being sad, it makes me sad. Also, that "what did we do wrong" is heartbreaking
God the episodic and character writing in this game was so good. Suffers a bit from middle-episode-syndrome, but aside from that... Such an amazing game.
Awwww Poor Legion!
Windows are weaknesses? Sure.
Optical sensors, aka. CAMERAS, however? They should have several, pointing in all directions with overlapping fields of view.
Heck, they don't need air, they could have Geth platforms just standing guard on the surface of the station.
But no, the plot required them to be stupid, so they were stupid and didn't look.
Well Geth like all organic life aren't perfect.
They make mistakes and since they were build by Quarians, they would have similar "traditions"
They're already breaking traditions and optimising by forfeiting windows for improved structural integrity... But then they screwed up by ignoring the entire visible electromagnetic spectrum in their scans, literally leaving them blind. And it's not like they don't know cameras - their mobile platforms can see just fine, they all have cameras installed. It's only their space station which they left "open" like that, when all they needed were a few sensors which humans of *today* can put into any smartphone. That camera at the back of your phone? It could detect the Normandy. But the Geth just plain forgot about that.
Yuuto Amakawa
Well to be fair, the station was LITERALLY in the middle of nowhere.
Only able to be found if you KNOW where it is. XD
+Radicaldanny Yes, but if I remember correctly, Legion mentions that they need the Normandy's stealth systems to approach the station unnoticed, so the station is apparently secured... except not really.
+Radicaldanny Yes, but if I remember correctly, Legion mentions that they need the Normandy's stealth systems to approach the station unnoticed, so the station is apparently secured... except not really.
Small correction.
+2 Non-exiled Tali
+2 for dead Heretcis
+1 for completing Rannoch: Save the Admiral
+1 for actually saving Koris
+1 if Tali and Legion aren't on bad terms by the end of ME2 (the conflict scene after the completion of both their loyalty missions ended well).
It's pretty fascinating how this one mission showed that Geth really aren't all that different than the rest of the galaxy, despite Legion insisting they don't feel emotions or pain, that they accept and understand each other fully, you can tell by it's voice alone Legion is pretty much totally heartbroken at the realization it's own people would turn on each other, that they'd intentionally hurt each other, and even though the Heretics are traitors planning on brainwashing the other Geth, it still cares for them, cause they're still family
Well played sir, well played.
We got fucking robbed of Legion. I wish he had more time in 2. Fucking make him the first squad mate you get after Miranda and Jacob. He is such a unique character.
Gotta love Miranda's response in this. "Semanthics" it just show how smart she actualy is.
3:39 "What did we do wrong?"
We sound so demoralized.
3:49 flash forward to ME3, and Legion is ready to give his life so the Geth can be true individuals. Character development.
listening to this just makes you want to play again doesn't it?
Aww, I missed having Legion in the party on ME3 so much.
Thanks for that.
i just love the voice they created for legion
"Dors this unit have a soul?"
Regarding that last exchange:
The irony here is that the platform calling itself Legion was already in the process of evolving its own individual personality. Hence the N7 pauldron it chose to wear, purely out of sentiment.
By the events of ME3, Legion had essentially completed this metamorphosis of individual sentience, and referred to itself as an individual before its self-sacrifice.
Whereas individualism drove the heretic geth to intolerance and distrust, individualism compelled the Legion platform toward altruism and compassion.
Legion is such an awesome character,
My fave in the ME series by far.
I love hacking the save file to unlock legion from the get go.
It's surprising because all main missions have dialogue for him even tho you can't unlock him till late into the game, Just shows the dev team was thinking about making him usable sooner. He only does not have dialogue if I remember correctly is on the reaper ship as that's where you find him.
+HeeroYuy911 There is dialogue for every squad member at almost every part of the game. The dev team recorded all the lines first, and decided when you would encounter the characters later. This was to make it easier on them if they wanted to change the plot later.
miranda the ship is unpressurized, there's no heating system PUT SOME GODDAM CLOTHES ON and a helmet
His eye,his face-flaps and his voice!
Cuteness overload!
We love you too.
It was part of the Amazon pre-order bonus, but it's now available as part of an armor pack DLC.
@Themingemoblie
It's Inferno armor. You can get it as part of a BioWare armor pack at the moment.
@Alieneater1239 i would have never thought of that, thanks . that is amazing
Damn, Mass Effect is such an amazing game! The characters and the whole universe is sooo well made!
thank you for your contribution to the world. keep it up!
Religious machines, I love the unusual mix!
Oh my gosh.I Will bear-hug Legion.
your shepard looks like a lobster.
Windows are structural weaknesses, BUT THEY HAVE WINDOWS INSIDE!
I miss you legion old buddy
Legion is my boy.
Best squadmate.
@Necroskull388
Is that a real problem? Is there a bad ratio between male and female Shepards? Is it the opposite of China?
Here's the summary: Imagine Butters Stotch's face pasted over legion's.
Lucky (wo?)man, you got out prior to seeing the *shivers* ending.
Legion's always going to be my number 1 squadmate and companion
shepard commander,''permission to kick jokers ass....
i like the terminator reference there
@elkotazo
Sounds interesting. Out of curiosity, what was annoying about the host? Will his tone make me want to scratch my ears off?
My only guess, and I consider this likely given the passage of time and Legion's own experiences with the Reaper code, understanding what it could do for his people, is that his POV simply changed. He learned, he observed, and understood the benefits outweighed the risks or drawbacks.
And the benefits are clear. It was the code that, in allowing them to achieve sentience, actually made them a viable force to assault the Reaper fleet. I think it's likely that Legion recognized this.
I love Legion.
Only now did I catch the Terminator reference
"They do not share your pity, remorse or fear"
@paulwilliambowling I like how they did it in the first one. They would let you collect everyone, but Liara (if I'm not mistaken) when you first get on the citidal. You had many missions after that to do them with you squad members. In ME2 I usually got everybody, then did their loyalty missions.
I love Legion ❤️
OH GOD I LOVE LEGION SO MUCH
I miss my little flashlight head. 8(
Yes. Yes it does.
Why do I find it always so fucking cute when he says "Shepard-Commander" ?
You know what else is a structural weakness? Having a giant light for a face.
Legion, you behave yourself or I won't take you all to Tron City.
We're good.
Legion...I just want to give you a hug T_T
Is it just me or does Shepard's armour in this scene make him look like Iron Man?
correct. you win a pat on the back and an imaginary tomahawk.
That suit makes me want a Red Faction reboot.
"You can not negotiate with them, they do not share your pity, remorse or fear" ..... cudos to the developers for the Terminator-reference ^^
I don't know why, but I always smile at "random bits" 0:57
Honestly, I rewrote the Geth considering the War Asset System of ME3. That and considering John Connor and Kate Brewster in the Terminator movies (T2 and T3) rewrote the Terminator's programming before it goes back in time to do it's mission, it seemed most logical to me.
nintendoboy17 Well what you did not know anything about the war asset system?
nintendoboy17 Good luck uniting the quarians and get with that........
Nylz Ber It's still possible, ME3 has stages where you can make up the points like saving a Quarian Politician rather than his team and the Geth fighter mission.
nintendoboy17 idk but i did ALL that would take to unite like saving admiral koris and that weird geth network server something but i still rewrote the geth heretics in my past save soo i couldnt choose the rally the fleet option ......
Truth is, you rewrite the geth then ofc qurians try to kill them then they become desperate then they accept the reapers code ...... sooo yeah, it doesnt work out ....
I was sooo sad how legion died when you cant unite them soo i got back to mass effect 2 on legion's loyalty quest then destroy the geth heretics then i played ME3 all over again..... lemme just say TOTALLY WORTH IT
Nylz Ber
I don't know either. I rewrote the geth, and in the end, Geth and Quarians living together and rebuilding (as far as I know, haven't quite completed the game yet). Still sad about Legion though.
Legion is so reasonable and bold
i like the guy
No air (therefore no heat) and no gravity...Miranda's still in her catsuit
Once you learn legion's facial expressions this scene hurts because you can't comfort him. Poor synthetic.