NEW RockShox Flight Attendant | The Rise Of Smart Suspension?
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- RockShox have released their new electronic suspension adjustment system, the Flight Attendant. It’s wireless, electronic only, and uses an algorithm to adjust your suspension- is this the future of mountain bike tech?
Flight Attendant is designed to control the damping in your suspension fork and shock, automatically, tuning it to create the most efficient ride possible.
This isn’t the first system of its kind, though. If you cast your mind back, you’ll remember that RockShox actually worked alongside Lapierre to produce their Ei system which the brand featured on a number of models.
And Fox Suspension brought us Live Valve. It enables both the fork and shock to rapidly react to the terrain and allows you to tune sensitivity.
However, neither systems, many will argue, aren’t perfect.
So how does the RockShox Flight Attendant system work, how is it different to what’s already out there and what’s it like to ride? Watch the video to find out!
Is this really the future? What do you think of the system? Let us know in the comments down below.
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What do you think about RockShox Flight Attendant? Is this the future of mountain bike tech? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!
Can the crank spindle sensor be used to measure power?
I’m more worried about the future of my bank account at this point.
I even Think about this even before this Was Released because I wonder about how cars have active electronic suspension but bikes dont
And this Info Satisfied my Bike nerd Brain
This is getting beyond affordable if your a pro then fair play but it’s over engendering and personally I think it’s unnecessary for most people
Ok now i have to recharge the fork, the rear shock, the pedal sensor, the shifting, and the dropper post. Without having an ebike.
Don't forget the pedal sensor!
@@Drbulletproof thanks ill correct it
True i wonder if they will start to centralize batteries with cables going around the bike. Although you can't do that with pwr sensors
@@Drbulletproof So like Shimano Di2? Why not run cables to the handlebar controls for additional reliability? :)
It'd make sense on ebikes if there was a way to hook them up to the ebikes battery
Soon there will be... lane keep assistant, hill assist control, pedestrain sensor auto break, electronic breaks and a electronic water dispencer bottle cage.. also ah smart clip pedal bluetooth pairing to your clip bike shoe
🤣
@@ThaiLe-um3ch make sure you charge them all before biking ✌🤣✌ and update latest softwares...
Probably many will say that this kind of things is really not needed and is just pushing the bike prices way up. And very likely they are right.
But, in my opinion, it's extremely cool that such things exists!
Cool in a way, yes, but it doesn't fix anything.
And soon top spec bikes will hit the 20k barrier... 💸💸💸
Good
Get bitcoin
Yet many will put down $60k for a Tesla. I’ll take the $20k electronic super-e-bike🚴 and bank the rest. 🙏💵💵💵💵🏦
I own a Specialized Enduro with this and it really is a game changer as far as widening the scope of what an enduro bike can do and how far you feel like you can ride it. Squish when needed and none when you don’t
I’m just here for Rob Weaver, what a guy - brilliant presenter 🥰🙌🏻 Keep it coming dude 👍🏻
I've got Live Valve on my longish travel trail bike and absolutely love it. Everyone who has ridden it loves it too. This looks like it could be better.
Or another way to getting bikes more and more expensive..?
Flight attendant is what I need.
Re brose motors two specialised in our group. Bothe had new motors. One in its third, second of which lasted a week. That’s special all right
$20k bikes here come
Right until one of these lithium ion batteries burns down a forest and electric bike components get banned from all the places mountain bikes go. Liability nightmare. Also its called a lockout lever and its a simple solution. Amazing this system on the fork does nothing on the air side of the fork just the damping rod, essentially they made a super fancy climb switch.
@@ThunderousProduction stop inventing problem where there is none jesus
Personally I think it's all ott. Cycling 4 me is about self powered and self controlled, with skills learnt from when I learnt 2 ride when I was a kid . We all know it's a massive marketing game.
‘Self powered’ sounds like a hatred for e-bikes. What’s your reasoning?
@@darkwetntight910 ebikes are cheating 😐
Did BikeRadar get a kickback or something for every time they said “wireless” ?
Hahah no. Sorry, this one took a while to film so I managed to repeat myself quite a bit. Sorry!
Great review, will stick to cables as I crash a lot and that is already expensive.
So, it’s a costly and overly complex inertia valve system. It seems a novel way around a non problem. Will it make the ride $$$ more enjoyable?
Nice idea but not integrated enough to be a good product IMO
When I first saw the patents for wireless suspension controllers I was really just looking forward to wireless lockouts to clean up my cockpit for xc racing so while it’s very interesting and cool I am slightly disappointed.
Will never be as good as Fox suspesion.
I did XC racing with the EI of Rockshox back in 2018, it was really nice to simply forget to lock shocks until it broke, then nightmare began. Nowadays AXS is 100% reliable performance and energy wise , however, it is too expensive to go full gas and take a fall. The same came into my mind when I saw the fork dumper controller of flight attendant, way too exposed.
Yeah, good point! I do wonder if you will need to buy the entire fork. Which I'm sure will cost around 2k.
I'm sure RS sponsored Elite XCO athletes are all warm and fuzzy learning they have to drag an extra 1.5lbs around with them all race.
Bahahahha “warm and fuzzy”
Haha. But in the end you loose one lever, two cable housings, two cables and - most importantly - two cable caps. It probably isn't any heavier than what they are riding right now.
So I can't use my Scorpion bike stand? I'm out.
So, if i ride an ebike with axs derailleur, seatpost and this new flight assistant, im gonna carry 6 indipendent batteries with me... not so smart
Fox live valve is more simple & directly, The winning point of Flight Attendant is only the wireless.
ben in cars for decades.. bout time.
one more thing to charge for
mid ride its gonn not work and u r left with option of going home
not because something went wrong just battry died
Be nice if the shock energy recharged the battery
AWESOME TECH!!!! This is the future of suspension - the question is: How Much??? 😎
New tech is a sweet lustful thing but practically, how do you go if you smash the receiver on the side of the fork? Is it game over, and a bumpy ride home or do they lock out? For me, more electronics more headaches.
Very cool but... everything needs a battery this days 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yeah, I kinda like it!
Too complex for me. I'm fine with what I have already. Lower prices and weight of the bikes is what they could aim in my opinion. But yeah, they need new stuff to sell them and make money, eh,.
Is RockShox Flight Attendant also availabel on E-Mountainbikes?
I love the idea of these wireless and automatic systems, but from an old school perspective, it seems ludicrous to have so many batteries all over the bike. Seems like there's so much kinetic energy surging all around the bike. I look forward to the time when the shock controller takes its energy from the motion in the fork.
Hahah! Like regenning? No way, not enough kinetic energy on a bike; too slow and specially uphill. Regen here would be non-existent. Those batteries don't weigh much at all. I have a canyon with AXS and the batteries are super lite.
@@eddelgado2171 Not really worried about the weight of the batteries. The whole point of a shock is to absorb energy. It's a lot of energy taken up with the bouncing. The shifters, not so much. But brakes, yes, indeed! We would not get enough energy from regen to power the forward motion of the bike, but it would be plenty to operate the shifters and valves.
@@nroose I like your thinking sir! I wonder if that would eliminate batteries totally. Hmmm. Although, we would still have to integrate a module to operate and assign all that energy that needs to be spec'd into the right component. Will we eventually need Mac addresses on a bike????? Lol,lol.
the future for those with fat wallets atleast
Waiting for wireless brakes :0
Please clearify the systems response speed, how long does it take for it to lock the suspension and how often does it make those changes?
Every 5ms, he says in the video
@Nelson Golver That is only the time per calculation cycle, not the response time. The system might be making calculations every 5ms, but might only have the input data from 1 second ago. So the response time (from the terrain changing to the system actually physically reacting) will be longer than 5ms.
@@AllBikesShredits I concur! there will definitely be a communication lag. They would need to integrate some type of HS-CAN and it would have to be wired.
Will this system work on current latest setups ie SuperDeluxe Ultimate Shock &
Nice but no thank you, what about if I cash in the very first run and break it, plus it’s gonna be like $20k full built bike, I rather to buy me an MV Agusta Dragster 800RR for that much. Im happy with my MTB as it is right now, I’m not a pro rider anyways, cool technology though but I don’t think it is worth it if you are not going to enjoy those drops and rock gardens thinking about that you can break that thing.
How can this be new but charged with micro usb🤦🏽♂️
Will it be applied on e bikes too?
What they need to do is integrate a similar system like the Motion instruments solution into a product line in order to collect actionable insights on a per trail basis. This would allow us to create baselines per trail. This way, as I ride different trails over time, I can look at the data per trail, and set the appropriate settings per trail either manually, or with flight attended, automatically. That's the ideal solution imo!
If you got deep pockets, then this is for you....it's going to be seriously expensive.
Sounds like 5ms of computation + 500ms of servo actuation.
So you pedal up until you can't anymore then carry the bike on your back until there's no more to carry. The last sensor was pedal friendly meaning hard and stiff. Start your DH on a steep rock drop .... Uhmm seems like not the best idea ...
Great.. bikes just gets more expensive. Soon it will better doing dirt biking thn mtb ing.
I’m thinking about getting the new canyon spectral with this fork but what’s the difference between the lyric and zeb
Maybe don't get it if you don't even know the difference between the 2.
@@th_js great help thanks
@@yttoxinz-_-2580 Lyrik has 35mm stanchions and the Zeb has 38mm stanchions. Zeb is stiffer and makes you feel more immortal. Lyrik is better if you are lighter/don't ride aggressively and Zeb is better if you are heavier/like to go full speed into rough sections with not the best line choice and you like to huck the bike off things. Both will creak like shit though.
@@yttoxinz-_-2580 Don't put a Zeb on a Spectral, no point.
@@th_js why is that
6 batteries in one bike, GPS not included.
IS IT FOR XC???????
Not yet, but I reckon something for XC will come down the line.
@@robweaver5849 might be too heavy for xc too
Too complex?? On the contrary. I'm actually extremely disappointed in it's capabilities.
Imagine if the high speed compression could be quickly adjusted on the fly. Really quickly, so it could emulate the progression similar to more volume spacers, but just for the hits that need it. The accelerometer should easily be able to calculate that from vertical speed at deceleration from the impact.
Imagine a small solenoid valve on the rebound circuit, so it could be adjusted on the fly. Then you could run it as closed/slow/comfy as you would like, without the fear of it packing up on the rock garden. Today you have to adjust rebound to those 20 seconds of the worst case scenario and ride with that for hours.
Imagine taking the small pressure sensor from the ShockWiz and baking that in. Then you'd have pressure and damper recommendations handy all the time.
Instead we just got a glorified lockout... As said. Disappointed. Almost glad I got stung by the poor design of the RS-1. Works just like a vaccine agains going out and buying more high-end RockShox suspension...
But hopefully there is more in the pipeline/roadmap...
Ah, this is supposed to be simple man! It's called user friendly!!! and judging from your speech; you already know what I am talking about. Not everyone has an engineering degree. Those of us that know a little more, should just appreciate this cool tech on a bike. I think it pretty cool as it is. They did say in all the videos that I've watched; this was meant to feel not too robotic. They left some of the manual'ish features in, so that riders could still adjust it.....
Or you could put a coil suspension setup on the bike and it be reliable and better. 5 milliseconds is a long lag compared to the instant damping of a coil spring. Can't wait till people are like "sorry can't ride the rest of the trail my suspension battery died"
You get instant damping here too. It’s just running the calculations at the rate. And this will certainly perform better than a coil spring.
@@johnm91326 Prove to me that an electronic software driven lockout can outperform a spring working in an instant mechanical fashion. Simply not logical, if it was true how come wrc vehicles and motorcycles which are much more highly strained all primarily rely on physical springs for large travel applications. Air is lighter but it simply is not from a physics standpoint as good a design or nearly as dependable.
@@ThunderousProduction Its a normal fork with a computer that adjusts its settings occasionally during your ride. It will work just like any other air fork when the computer isn’t busy.
You can argue the pros and cons of air vs coil springs all you like but that’s an entirely different topic. Coil springs are used in motor vehicles because weight and ease of adjustment are less important.
@@Fr3sh_M1ntz Plenty of mechanical builds but I also have done lots of the electronic builds from the big 2 and I can say while it is very neat there is zero progression made in the features of the groupset being electronic. The one benefit is that the sram mech moves in on impacts however if it wasn't sticking out by a mile like how the shimano shadow tech sits underneath it would not need it anyways. From personal experience they are a rental fleet nightmare.
@@johnm91326 Damping is obviously instant as the lockout is damping. You claiming that this can outperform a high-end coil shock is absolutely bold, though and most likely incorrect.
Has Rockshox paid you for everytime you say 'algorithm'?
should be on handlebars
Smart tech but a naff name imo. How much though??!
Omg! Why would they put it on a junk trek!!!! Betcha it wasn't Paul Turner's idea!!!
Treks are great mtn bikes
Ei never worked
4 batteries a bike, multi battery charger pleeease SRAM
I just want to buy a 1k-2 MTB without months and months of waiting. Completely ludicrous tech with the shortage of part and aluminum frame.
Next up automatic pedaling.
We don't need this, we need suspension that actually has genuinely good damping!
Anything fox/rockshox and made in the last 5 years? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
C'mon, do we really need this to ride a MTB?? Lets go back to simple days of rigid, single speed MTBs.
I feel like this is sarcasm, but nowadays I can’t tell anymore lol.
shut up and take my money
People like this are why the bike industry isn't going in the right direction...
Far too complex a thing. I'm surprised at how much I hate it.
Wtf back to the future sorry
I have a brain. I can adjust my suspension from feel. No thank you.
Pay more to do less, i think ill pass