Is a $1000+ mountain bike fork worth it?
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2022
- Is buying a suspension fork for over $1000 worth it? Will it be the solution to your problems? I bought the all new 2022 Ohlins RXF34 m.2 to find out.
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Strangely, the amount of clicks doesn't always tell the whole story. Each manufacturer usually has their own valving design which makes the amount of clicks subjective. Even if you set up both forks identically they will act differently. Great video!
Yes but more does mean more possible settings and thus more chsnce of getting it just right for yourself
Haha yup I definitely experienced that!
@@MisterCOM not at all
@@lucamartinelli7953 if your fork has more "clicks" it allows for a wider range of adjustment between its defined minimum and its maximum and thus allows for more on the fly adjustment.
@@MisterCOM Not necessarily. You are talking about "Range of adjustment". The number of clicks divides the increments of adjustability of that range.
You could have Very little range, but 40 "Clicks". In that case you would not feel any difference when adjusting the Fork/Shock.
On the opposite end you could have a Huge range, but 3 Clicks. In that case you would really feel the difference between each setting.
Cheers!
In all honesty a majority of hobby riders don't spend enough time on trail to notice a difference between a mid level and high end damper. An easy to set basic damper is far better for an average rider. Adding more clicks actually gives more chance to really whack out your suspension unless you understand what each one does.
I think moving through from low end to mid range to high end would help a lot of riders. Also if anyone has something like a fox grip or rockshox charger 2.1 rc2, then bracketing would really help to isolate each setting
I'm far from a pro but I can feel the difference in a better damper. Also the damper has nothing to do with the level of adjustment. Currently I'm running a Zeb charger R that only has rebound adjustment but it feels better than the recon with a MoCo damper I had on a previous bike that had rebound and low speed compression.
@@munkycox that’s simply because it’s a bladder style damper against a sealed cartridge damper. That’s two completely different worlds of damping
@@munkycox you just compared an entry level air fork to a high end. I hope that created a significant difference in feel as it definitely made your wallet lighter. And we aren't talking exceptions, hence the qualifier "majority"
@@sufyanm4661 for a lot of riders a $800-$1200 fork is not gonna benefit them over a $500 fork and the extra spent on coaching.
Great video. Nice to see you mention the volume spacers since many people tend to forget that part of the tuning.
I agree with the price point, since like you said, it comes down to what you want to spend and what you need the fork to do. I will say for most people a cheaper fork is the way to go since they want more of a preset and go fork.
Many people don't realize that you can adjust your fork by changing the damper oil weight, I have a 35mm revelation that has the motion control damper, which actually performed pretty well, except for dealing with fast braking bumps, and in general it was a bit harsh overall, so I changed the damper oil from 5w 16.1 cst to 2.5w 6.7cst and boy what a difference, it feels great now, at least as good as my old lyric with the charger damper, I did have to add an extra 5psi to compensate, plus turn the rebound to full slow otherwise the fork would rebound too fast, but you can play around with different weights, and its super cheap too.
Another awesome video thanks for putting in the hard work so that we can learn more everyday day
This guy is really smart to bring up the new rear shock at the last second!
Hey just wanted to let you know i really enjoy the content you make! It's amazing to see this channel grow and grow and the way you evolve as a creator. All the best!
30% sag seems like a lot for a fork to me. Most I've seen recommended is in 15-20% range. You get a lot harsher of a feeling setting at 30% and running that many tokens because it ramps up extremely fast. Would be cool for you to make a video comparing less tokens and less sag to more tokens and more sag. I've come to realize from my own experimentation less sag and less tokens usually gives an overall more supple feel at the top with a supportive feel in the mid stroke.
Sounds like a cool idea! I'm used to running sag at 20%, but Ohlins and yeti both recommend 30%. Going to be fun to experiment with it seeing how the bike build is one video away from completion
@@EvansMTBSaga Just curious where you read read that? Ohlins documentation I've read suggests 10-15% for an rxf 34. Totally understand the 30% sag on the rear shock as that's pretty standard. Just hoping you are getting the most out of that suspension! Your videos are awesome!
I think you should use only 1 token and go for 15% sag .
Vorsprung or someone else makes this exact argument: people falsely believe more sag will give a more compliant feel. Instead, you're reducing your travel 10% AND hitting the steep section of the air curve too quickly. So you get less compliance. Counter-intuitive for sure. But higher pressures will keep you in the more compliant area of the air spring curve.
Great video! Thanks.
I agree i use 1 token sag 15-20 then fine adjustment on compression and rebound you get to enjoy the travel and progressive air pressure
You're a hell of a mechanic, good job! Your videos are fun to watch!
The single rebound adjustment on high-end forks affects low speed and also quite affects the high speed rebound.
Thanks for the amazing explanation am learning from your videos
I had the option of ordering my new bike with Ohlins and I was very tempted. However everything I read was a bit 'meh' and the guy I know with Ohlins seems to be struggling to get it how he wants it. I'm sticking with my Fox Factory - an X2 and a 36. I know how to set them up to my liking and at the end of the day you can't beat Kashima 😂
Great video though, I've really enjoyed discovering your channel!
Ur first sentence was literally best thing I've heard on a MTB video. We have all stood at the top of a big hill or drop saying if I had 500mm suspension or a tractor I would ride that. But I believe it's lack of confidence unless ya bike is so cheap you bought it from Halfords and know it will snap.
The quality of you vids is 👌
Just got an ohlins rfx36 m2. Hopefully it’s worth it! Love the fact that it has a separate air chamber for ramp up. It eliminates the need for tokens and gives you much more adjustability
How is it so far?
Not good. I think he died
Keep in mind Fox has more than usable adjustment, Öhlins probably does not do that, thus less clicks.
you can lock out the fox fork with the compression adjustments, rebound adjustment is the same you can make it dive or be a pogo stick.
What matters is having an usable adjustment range.
I think the most adjustment in a fork or rear shock doesnt come from the damper, but the ability to affect the spring curve in general, for example by using Tokens, or 2 positive air chambers, an expandable negative air chamber or completely independant adjustible air chamber. only if these things are setup right, high adjustible damping brings you into paradise of suspension setup and feel
And for the most part, don't adjust to 30% sag. That actually makes your fork more harsh since you'll be further in your travel before it starts to compress. Most forks work best with 15-20% sag.
I have 2 Öhlins RXF36 M.2’s on my Rocky Mountain and on my Vitus Hardtail and absolutely love the adjustability!
Man that's a hardcore Vitus!
Fox 36 Grip 2 was amazing. It was so plush like knife in the butter. However I wouldn't change it back. I enjoy my Dorado much better. +70mm and its super stiff. It handles enduro trails with ease.
I don’t have much mtb xp but I can tell you that Ohlins has been making excellent dampers for auto and motorcycle racing for a long time
I did think that, but that is because I can feel my old RockShox recon tk silver with QR flex
I found the ohlins rear coil shock made a big difference the bike felt amazing .Could be something to try
I wish I could use that! Yeti designed the rear shock clearance so small that no coils will fit
The Fox Talas 32 I have on my bike was only $200 and it has tons of adjustments including adjustable travel from 100mm to 140mm and it’s definitely the nicest air fork I’ve ever used
U wanna trade for my manitou fork I’ve been looking for a talas fork
I literally bought it 3 months ago and it has a handful of rides
They aren’t the easiest to find but when you do they are usually pretty cheap
@@sciguyisanerd oh ok worth a shot lol
great video evan!
Great video brother
I reckon the ohlins match so well with the hubs and callipers
Great video as always. Cheers Evan. Why do you set up your fork to 30 percent sag? Is that recommended by ohlins? The rockshox manual nowadays says to ingore sag completely...
Ohlins and yeti recommend 30%
Hey, just wondering, where would you say the bite point of your Shiguras would be? With Shimano being early, Tektro/TRP being middle, and SRAM being late.
Also for just normal Maguras as well.
Causal rider. Try to get out each weekend but doesn’t always happen. I’m 38, I rode on recon silvers for a few years. I went fox 36’s and wow. It was worth it for me and my hands and elbows. 👍🏼 it’s subjective to a point sure. If you can afford it. Why not?
You should try coil conversion with hydraulic bottom out control - Vorsprung Smashpot! Highly recommended and thx for great vids!
Yes, it's amazing, but quite expensive and fragile..
@@th_js Fragile? Only fragile part is maybe adjuster knob but otherwise it is all secured inside of stanchion...it is expensive and a bit heavy but the performance is amazing!
@@kasparondrej2938 The footstud is prone to snap. Mine snapped even though I didn't overtighten it. New one cost 96€.
@@th_js Sorry to hear that. Expensive snap! But what is cheap and stock today? 😉
The reason the fork felt so harsh off the top with the stock volume spacers and 30% sag is because the lower the sag, the more sensitive the fork is off the top, so next time something like that happens I would recommend to try a lower sag such as 25%.
Wouldn't that require more pressure?
@@EvansMTBSaga more pressure doesn't necessarily mean less supple and harsh. CZcamsr semi sendy does a great explanation of this. Would recommend anyone wanting to improve their suspension to check it out! czcams.com/video/sG84WjHTc1A/video.html
Awesome vid as always! Love your content
@@EvansMTBSaga yes
Nice Slack-R kit! you should do a video on it
We used to have rigid forks and high seats and mountain biking was still fun.
I have a Ohlins RXF 36 Coil fork and it’s Amazing
I was already subscribed
.... And I got a nice fork this week.... Dang he was right
I waited too long for this!yay
I'm back!
I jave the Fox fork in my regular bike as well as in my e-bike. I am thinking of trying the Öhlins on my ebike Sworks Turbo SL since it rides fast and the shock is very harsh in rock terrain. In South Florida there are no mountains however the rides are very rocky or have too many roots. At the end of 1 hour rides, I feel pain in my entire arms as wells as numb hands. It rides like a 1945 Jeep. I have tried all possible settings.
Evan I know u just spent a poop ton on the ohlins but please test out formula suspension forks. They look really cool with the most adjustment
Now go the other way and try a less expensive fork... DVO.
In addition to air chamber volume there is also an external adjuster for the negative travel spring. This allows you to dial in how much (or little) plushness you want from your initial travel.
All other settings are similar to the Ohlins fork.
I am liking my DVO Fork better than my Fox TALAS. I have not yet compared it to a Float.
Re-valving Fox could make a huge difference in how it feels. Won't affect the chassis stiffness though, but still worth a shot
Sounds expensive! I didn't know you could do that with Fox forks
@@EvansMTBSaga If you take the damper out by yourself the re-valving won't cost more than 50$
#Evans MTB Saga
Gmbn had a video about fork refurbishment and same shop does individually tuned dampers to your own weight and ride style. I bet there are same shops at your side of the world.
Amazing content!
Yoooooo
What about marzocchi bomber z2 comparing with 34fox 😁🤔
It would be great if you can test the new rockshox pike ultimate :)
I love ohlins forks theyre the best of all ❤
I think the reason they dont let you adjust the top of your travel is to avoid hard bottom outs because you made it too soft and therefore increasing the forks life a bit. But ohlins knows their stuff, they have the best suspension for motorcycles and amazing coilovers for cars
Pretty smart I'd say haha. I just wish their forks had the look of their off-road stuff
@@EvansMTBSaga yea that gold looks amazing and i think it would go well with your blue frame and your gold accents
Whoa, 30% fork sag? That's way more than usual, I run 10-20%... That's what most manufacturers recommend as well.
It's weird, I like 20% usually like Fox recommends, but Yeti is pretty adamant about 30% sag front and rear
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you know what you're talking about
@@Mikesonbikes literally haha, nearly every manufacturer recommends 25%-30% sag
@@Mikesonbikes not really. A lot of aggressive riders run anywhere from 15-20%, but suspension should be based on what feels good to you, and it doesn’t have to conform to recommendations every time
Fox manual recommends 15-25%
You should have a look at bos suspension they are a French brand that do motorcycle, car and mountain bike suspension I run a set of forks on my hardtail which are from 2014/2015 and are still buttery smooth
Recently I bought RockShox Recon with remote lock before this one I was with Sr Suntour without air and I can't see any big differences in the ride quality between the RockShox and the SR Suntour my old fork. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance! :)
I changed my old marzocchi 03 mx comp wit a rockshox recon 26 tk gold on my dj
Mid range is good enough for all of us, let's leave the high end for the racers and save our wallets 😅
I didn't feel like the marzocchi was enough 😔
@@EvansMTBSaga toss a grip2 in the Z1. If it’s good enough for pro riders… surly it’s good enough for everyone else.
@@EvansMTBSaga Not enough for what though?
@@flotto7045 3 ft drops on XC trails
Another great video - I have a Mzi Z2 that came on my Giant trance looking for a step function improvement? I’ve already upgraded my wheels to carbon and xt hardware. I am a XC trail rider here in Tx.
Try changing the damper to an öhlins one, would make the bike a lot nicer in my opinion
I dunno I’ve had such good luck with fox and their budget brand. I’d have a hard time justifying that price of change. I’d sooner just replace the damper in the fox.
I’m with you on them being more about what works for you. I like the fox feel even if it’s the budget version with basic adjustment only. Can’t seem to tune my lyrik half as well.
Haha it's so funny how feel varies from one to the other. I wish I could articulate or even show "feel" on camera 🤣
Could you do a similar video but with the 2023 rockshox pikes?
I will on a 2023 Rockshox but not a Pike
What most don't realize is, most forks from all mtb fork brands are actually made in the same handful of factories. Like Giant bikes making frames for alot of different mid tear to high-end brands.
Suntour makes close to half if not 60% of all MTB forks on the market from various brands. The remaining 40% in other chinese mass bike component factories. Your just paying for the name, in house development of dampners. The stanchions and fork bodies are basically almost identical in material used other then design and stanchion coatings.
True
So which factory makes the best quality product? This is what I'm trying to do.
If I install some volume spacers on my air fork will it be softer? :)
Maybe have a look at the push eleven six rear shock, nothing but good reviews as far as I’m aware
In my opinion, you don't need super expensive forks. There are forks like RockShox Reba RL or RockShox Judy Gold RL which feel very nice and if you're not a world class rider it'll feel the same as a Fox 34.
Sorry.....not true at all..
Is that definition of low speed rebound at 3:13 right? I thought it deals with rebound on low speed movement, similar to low speed compression dampening, such as turning g forces and jumps.
Hopefully this link comes through bikerumor.com/suspension-tech-whats-the-difference-between-high-low-speed-rebound/
Here's to hoping Evan tests out a Suntour fork. They're pretty darn good forks for the money spent...
I personally use a durolux. It's pretty decent. Gonna test it with some oil in the lowers if the ride improves...
Oh yeah is that the one with grey lowers? I'd like to test those
@@EvansMTBSaga it depends on what suntour fork. The Durolux can come with either gray lowers, or standard gloss black lowers.
I love the grey lowers!
I prefer my Yari over my Fox 36 Grip 2 kashima. The Yari is much more plush, eats up the little bumps and feels much more refined than my 36. The 36 was rough and wasn't sensitive to small bumps and chatter.
Oh man I had the opposite experience on a Fox 36 grip2 on a rental bike. Literally so plush and sensitive on the small bumps
Adjustment issue
very similar setup woes that a fox 38 has/ it’s different person to person with weights but the majority have way different settings compared to Fox baselines and similar fox products / took a month of bracketing and shock whiz sessions to see that it liked more LSC and LSR with 10-15 higher psi settings than Fox recommendations . But as with all higher end forks they take more time to set up initially but you see where the extra cost and time make a difference
I've only really heard about the Shockwiz. Will that recommend settings for compression and rebound or only tell you air pressure suggestions?
@@EvansMTBSaga it connects to an app and will show frequencies of small chatter , big hits and then gives suggestions / it’s a learning curve how to use but repeating a small 200-300 foot section you REALLY know with a setting really far one way then the other and making notes yourself help you see where the shock can be sometimes stuck high in the travel , packed down , etc . I used it along with a Excel spreadsheet that Jordi from fox made for race days , and it’s kind of eye opening to see what a few clicks does , but also what you value the most out of your setup i.e. more comfort , more poppy , or a great jack of all trades tune .
Love it. Sounds like a cool video idea!
The real winner here is that 1980s tv show music used when customizing the forks!!!
D@mn, dude! That's some awesome editing. Must have been a pain in the butt, but the result is 👌.
Haha I did it when I had some free time off of work on paternity leave. Way overkill and it didn't really help the views 💀
@Evans MTB Saga lol. Sounds about right. I feel ya man.
Can you do rockshox Vs ohlins or fox
whats the name of his mini ratchet tool he uses for his hex keys?
it seems to be like that ohlins damper is made to fight with the fox fiit 4 damper
Well u got a new fan
7:32 That cactus was like: Dude.
*DUDE!!!*
If you arent sure about a fork , I'd suggest using a stack of spacers above the stem and not cutting the steerer just in case you don't like it and want to sell it on.
True haha I forgot about that. I'd say it's a big longer cuz the Slack-R Kit needs an extra 20mm
05:17 that's a brilliant idea for a stem cap, k-edge? Bike computer mount
It appears to be this - czcams.com/video/mMcJaMWDEoU/video.html 👍🏻
Yeah I've been liking it!
@@EvansMTBSaga my only concern would be if you bashed the thing when crashing would it break the plastic of the bike computer? Typically they are held on with rubbery straps 🤔
The fork looks super cool on the bike
I like it too!!
For enduro fork you should try EXT ERA V2, I have the first gen fork. it has two air chambers so it's easy to adjust on the trail.
If building a 26er, for a small person or a kid, you should get Rock Shox Dual Air, as it has two air chambers, shame Rock Shox no longer do this, huge mistake in my opinion.
Not sure what you're talking about, pretty much all air forks have 2 chambers.
@@th_js That's not what I mena, I mean two separate chambers you can adjust independently.
Are you the guy in the Reclaiming the Armrest plane video? LOL
Here I am using a Rockshox SID SL Ultimate 100mm fork!
XC is cool man!
About the features, you’re right, fox has a lot more adjustments than öhlins, but you didn’t mentioned the most important technology ölins has: the double air chamber with positive and negative air adjustments…this features permits you to come to a lot more adjustment and settings than a single air chamber…btw i have tried both the fox40 and ohlins dh38 and simply the feelings are different, two completely different forks, that can not be compared (it’s just about your preferences)
I mean, the two brands can’t be compared because uses two different technologies
yeah this is exciting
please test sr suntour zeron 35 coil forks
Does the 34 not have the triple air chamber?
My only thought was.....I don't remove my brake levers when I swap my forks. I do like all my $1000+ forks though....current bikes running Factory Fox 38/36 Grip2, 2 Trust Shouts, and a 23' RS Zeb Ultimate....
Oh nice, new RS! My favorite fork to date was a Fox 36 Grip 2 with black stanchions on a rental bike. I hope to have a bike line-up like yours sometime!
@@EvansMTBSaga Here's the lineup18' Orbea Rallon, Transition Spur-duro (36 140 G2/Float X), Trek Rail 7, Orbea Rise H-custom, and trying to decide on building a Deviate Claymore or New Rallon.
Me about to send that drop on my broken, non functional, Canadian Tire MTB from 6 years ago. (The bottom bracket is so fucked me and the bois had to press fit a new one, the rear pivot has a 1 inch wobble, and the rear shock doesn't actuate so ot's basically a hard tail)
if you use lsr it also affects hsr. slow return is about 1/3 of the deflection, not 2/3. btw i am a licensed ohlins brand service technician.
Well since you're a licensed Ohlins technician, maybe you should be a little nicer instead of ridiculing someone. You're giving the brand a bad name
What's your name so I can file a complaint with Ohlins?
you're doing bad ad to ohlins, not me. you make rewiev with something that you have no idea, and viewers believe what you say, the come to the shop and start a debate with the service technician that they know better because they saw it on CZcams. you are a youtuber and I can express my opinion even more if it is true
Bought this Öhlins fork 2 months ago and after 100km it was damaged. The Fork slumped from 14cm to only 1cm and i couldn't pull it back. The only way to release was to let the hole bike hanging around a while in the air. I sent it to back to the dealer, totally frustrated and bought the new 2023 Rock Shox Pike ultimate. And this fork is really great in performance and reliability ✌️
You should know that you have to break a fork in as well before it starts to feel good
What's the tool you used for filing the steerer tube after cutting. The round one that looks like a cube
Tubing and Pipe Reamer - amzn.to/3Px0f2h
@@EvansMTBSaga thanks a lot
nice video
Ext or Öhlins shock i think 🤔
And here I am with my Lyrik Select+ :')
the rxf m.2 was a game changer for me
What size stanchion did you go with? I'm using a bike with a 36 now, so I consider getting the rxf36
@@EvansMTBSaga do it man its great. 38 cus i am riding an ebike. one other great thing about the ohlins that i can attest to is that is is absolutely more rigid off the top but more put together deeper in the travel than my previous fox factory 38 with a grip 2. i love being able to push into corners with all of the bikes weight and knowing exactly how its gonna react where the fox i for some reason didnt have the same confidence
that trail is gorgeous tho
Hi pls review a cheapest coil fork in the world
Cane Creek Helm air vs Bomber Z1 air ?
Sounds dumb but the font and graphic on the Ohlins fork definitely looks a lot cheaper as well, looks way more generic and if I saw both without knowing anything about bikes or the product that would lead me to assume it is a less high end product. I think RockShox Super Ultimate Deluxe suspension products with the gloss paint lowers and crown with the chrome or black decals look the most high end from a branding perspective, also agree on the gold sanchions on the Moto and Auto suspension looked phenomenal even compared to Fox.
Also nice job avoiding the cactus, those Jumping Cactus are probably the worst I had two friends need to go to urgent care to get needles removed from those and they couldn't even get all of them out because they were so fine.
Haha so true! Thanks for the comment. I've been dying to get some high end Rockshox forks! Future build hopefully.
Great video! I was going through your links and wanted to ask. What are the different greases you use? Mainly the red one
I'm currently considering upgrading my forks I currently have xcr32 with lockout and rebound adjustment, I just changed my gearset including pedals to xr same with brakes, anyone recommend a decent fork for cross country riding ?
Anyone over 200 lbs should be riding a Manitou Mezzer Pro, incredible mid stroke support and infinitely tuneable. Often on sale for $500 on chainreactioncycles pretty good for a $1000+ fork
Good recommendation! I'm not quite 200lbs 🤣
@@EvansMTBSaga you should really give it a try, the triple air chamber is a nice touch! I know manitou went through a rough patch in the early 2000's but the newer stuff is rock solid
Mezzer and Durolux are both amazing
Would it be possible to put a fox 38 170mm-180mm on the polygon sisku t7
Yeah but it wouldn't be a good idea
Bro Can This fork use in MDS Unlimited CYCLES ROADY 26 inches 21 Shimano Gear Dual Suspension 18 Inches Steel Bike???
If you get a fit4 damper, they have the same adjustability.
Why did you take off both break leavers when changing the fork?
Because I like to with filming and having those things dangling for hours
Holy s#it Evan, those animations are on POINT..😳
Thanks dude! Took a long time to do haha
@@EvansMTBSaga quality content has a price! Heads up, Las Vegas is opening up a lift access bike park this September, let's shred!
Evan trying to find the most good forks while me already comfortable of my 80mm stock air fork😭