He was never promoted because they got stuck in the Delta Quardrant for seven years I think everyone on board stayed at the same rank I am sure by the time of Star trek Picard he is a comander or Captain if he is still in Starfleet
@llertnac 😂😂😂😂 Lieutenant Commander Tuvok would like to disagree with you. Despite being given the wrong rank on occasion, he was a Lieutenant at the start. Also, Paris got demoted and promoted in the series.
7 years and every time she looks at him all she can think was “‘Yes, ma’am’- he ignored the very first thing I told him almost immediately. Ensign forever.”
I like how Tom Paris had a habit of calling Captain Janeway "ma'am" whenever a "crunch time" situation came up in the series, but "Captain" on all other occasions. I think it was his way of acknowledging that they were in a difficult situation.
Robert Duncan McNeill actually had not been consistent with which one to call Janeway. It depended entirely on which one sounded better when writing the scripts.
i love how kim and paris look over bridge with awe when they walk out with Janeway, it's as it's the first time they've been on it and are then introduced to the first officer. - despite the fact they'd have gotten off the bridge turbo lift and walking across the bridge in full view of the first officer to get to the ready room
@@Jess3200 yep a whole corridor that shouldn't exist the onky reason it exists in that episode, is because of poor writing the writers want chackotay to abducct janeway but had ni way if getting him across thr bridge and if he took a turbo lift security would be waiting for him. it's a mistake, they happen all the time is star trek. just like the enterprise A having at least 78 decks in star trek V or turbolift scene in discovery
Mulgrew was amazing playing Janeway in every aspect. Her acting is on point. Better than previous captains if you ask me. I know Im gonna ruffle some feathers but damn credit is due when its due.
Voyager's cast was fantastic, and it had a premise with enormous potential... too bad it got handed over to showrunners who didn't even know an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant!
Janeway is such a well written character she makes a big point in this brief exchange: it's not a matter of "sir" or "ma'am", but it's about acknowledging the commanding officer role and position, which is Captain, regardless of gender.
Did you actual watch VOG? Sometimes even the writers don’t seem to know what Janeway’s character is supposed to be Or do you just mean the Janeway here is a well written character?
@@datalor3698 'Janeway is such a well written character' please just don't try to excuse yourself for your own comments, everyone can still read what you said, douche
When I see all these modern day remakes with female leads, I always come back to shows like this. Janeway isn’t some arrogant know it all that belittles everyone who dares mess up and constantly complains. She is a good and likable character that treats everyone like they are the same.
I'd say there's a very select few 'female leads' that genuinely fit into this category, which makes me weary about the generalization of all the others. And even then, it's rarely a constant running pattern in their writing. Dr Weir in Stargate Atlantis has a particularly egrigious scene in the episode '38 Minutes', but I wouldn't for a moment declare that to be the constant of her character. And oh wait, Janeway has had plenty of bossy, demanding, belittling moments of her own! It's almost as if this poor attempt to criticize modern media for actually remembering that people other than white men exist is completely flawed and a strawman at that. :/
Ya know way back when they seemed to make Tom Paris his own character yet gave him his former character name on Next Gen’s backstory, not in this clip but in this episode referencing the cover-up in the academy
Poor Harry never got promoted before the series conclusion. When asked at a convention Kate Mulgrew said it was because for some reason there was a rule in the writers room of every Star Trek franchise, every bridge always had to have an ensign. Now that’s according to her and if I remember correctly. I didn’t notice on DS9 and can’t recall if that was always the case on the next generation or the OG Star Trek.
i don't believe the other shows had an ensign on the main cast. Wesley was acting ensign in TNG O'Brian was lower ranked than an ensign as he wasn't a commissioned officer on DS9 TOS: i think all the series regulars/main cast were ranked above ensign, but idk what nurse chapel's rank was.
TOS - Had an ensign, Chekov. He went on to better things. TNG - Had three recurring ensigns: Wes, Ro, Ogawa. All were promoted: Wes to full ensign, other two to lieutenant. DS9 - Had two recurring characters who were ensigns: Ezri and Nog. Both were promoted. VOY - Had a character reduced to ensign. He got promoted back to lieutenant. There was no reason not to promote Harry Kim. None.
Not nearly as spatious as the galaxy's bridge, nor as spartan as the defiant's. Nice little ship that can take a surprising amount and give back just as much.
Janeway: "It's not crunch time yet, Mr. Kim. I'll let you know when." _[Voyager gets stranded in Delta Quadrant]_ Janeway: "It's crunch time, Mr. Kim." _[Voyager welcomes Adm. Janeway 7 years later]_ Janeways: "Still crunch time, Harry."
I still find it weird that Kim looks around astonished at the bridge as if it's the first time he's seen it... yet don't you have to walk across the bridge to get to the captain's ready room?
I don't know why, but I never saw it as Harry looking as though he had never seen the bridge before. I always look at it as he was in awe of the opportunity of serving there.
I haven't seen it since it first aired but the plot of this episode threw this show off for me from the very start. Her first responsibility is to her crew. I remember thinking at the time she carried her interpretation of the Prime Directive way too far thus causing everyone to be stranded in deep space. For the rest of the series I kept wondering why the crew wasn't more angry with her for unnecessarily stranding them, ie choosing an alien race over those sworn to her and the ship.
And that is why she is my fifth favorite captain behind Kirk, Sisko, Picard and Archer. All those fake morality and adherence to regs and when crunch time came she routinely violated them but won't forget to lecture when someone else violates them.
crunch time. A period when pressure to succeed is great, often toward the end of an undertaking. For example, It's crunch time-we only have two more days to finish. This term employs crunch in the sense of “a critical situation or test.” [American Slang; 1970s]
That second mess up at the end is why Harry was never promoted.
He was never promoted because they got stuck in the Delta Quardrant for seven years I think everyone on board stayed at the same rank I am sure by the time of Star trek Picard he is a comander or Captain if he is still in Starfleet
@@llertnac Whooosh
@llertnac 😂😂😂😂 Lieutenant Commander Tuvok would like to disagree with you. Despite being given the wrong rank on occasion, he was a Lieutenant at the start.
Also, Paris got demoted and promoted in the series.
7 years and every time she looks at him all she can think was “‘Yes, ma’am’- he ignored the very first thing I told him almost immediately. Ensign forever.”
Yikes, so Harry was already done for even before ending up in the Delta Quadrant lol
I like how Tom Paris had a habit of calling Captain Janeway "ma'am" whenever a "crunch time" situation came up in the series, but "Captain" on all other occasions. I think it was his way of acknowledging that they were in a difficult situation.
Tom had an insouciant way of saying "yes, ma'am", though.
I never noticed that. He'd switch between Captain when doing his job, but ma'am when it called for more sarcasm
Robert Duncan McNeill actually had not been consistent with which one to call Janeway. It depended entirely on which one sounded better when writing the scripts.
Janeway is very formal and upfront yet there's an underlying quality that makes her feel genuine, that's why I like her.
The calm before the storm, this is before things get really messy😊
And this is one of the reasons why Janeway was my favorite captain as a kid. Now she's just my most nostalgic captain.
The actor who played the First Officer looked to have had gravitas. Kinda wish he had continued.
i love how kim and paris look over bridge with awe when they walk out with Janeway, it's as it's the first time they've been on it and are then introduced to the first officer. - despite the fact they'd have gotten off the bridge turbo lift and walking across the bridge in full view of the first officer to get to the ready room
I thought the same thing.
There's a second entrance to the ready room. They could have used that...
@@Jess3200 the second door in janeways ready room leads to a toilet, there only one entrance to the readyroom, the schematics confirm this
@@andurilmat Nah, if you watch 'Shattered' - Chakotay takes Janeway out of the second entrance and it leads to a corridor.
@@Jess3200 yep a whole corridor that shouldn't exist the onky reason it exists in that episode, is because of poor writing the writers want chackotay to abducct janeway but had ni way if getting him across thr bridge and if he took a turbo lift security would be waiting for him. it's a mistake, they happen all the time is star trek. just like the enterprise A having at least 78 decks in star trek V or turbolift scene in discovery
Mulgrew was amazing playing Janeway in every aspect. Her acting is on point. Better than previous captains if you ask me. I know Im gonna ruffle some feathers but damn credit is due when its due.
I think she was fabulous
Voyager's cast was fantastic, and it had a premise with enormous potential... too bad it got handed over to showrunners who didn't even know an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant!
@@oddish4352 there were no vacancies on Voyager
@@spaceexpireaudio666 After Durst, an Operations lieutenant, was murdered by the Vidiians, there was obviously a lieutenant's berth available.
@@oddish4352Kim just wasn't good enough lol
[ten minutes later] It's crunch time, Mr Kim!
Janeway is such a well written character she makes a big point in this brief exchange: it's not a matter of "sir" or "ma'am", but it's about acknowledging the commanding officer role and position, which is Captain, regardless of gender.
Did you actual watch VOG? Sometimes even the writers don’t seem to know what Janeway’s character is supposed to be
Or do you just mean the Janeway here is a well written character?
@@ChunLo21 I was commenting this scene
Yeah, she also got tuvix killed without a thought but yeah, well written character etc.. ...
@@datalor3698 'Janeway is such a well written character' please just don't try to excuse yourself for your own comments, everyone can still read what you said, douche
"Yes ma'am."
"What did I just tell you?!" (beats the crap out of Harry) 🤣
Our first introduction to Captain Crunch.
There’s coffee in that nebula😊
When I see all these modern day remakes with female leads, I always come back to shows like this. Janeway isn’t some arrogant know it all that belittles everyone who dares mess up and constantly complains. She is a good and likable character that treats everyone like they are the same.
I'd say there's a very select few 'female leads' that genuinely fit into this category, which makes me weary about the generalization of all the others. And even then, it's rarely a constant running pattern in their writing.
Dr Weir in Stargate Atlantis has a particularly egrigious scene in the episode '38 Minutes', but I wouldn't for a moment declare that to be the constant of her character. And oh wait, Janeway has had plenty of bossy, demanding, belittling moments of her own!
It's almost as if this poor attempt to criticize modern media for actually remembering that people other than white men exist is completely flawed and a strawman at that. :/
@@Jokie155 people like you are the reason the alt-right exists.
Ya know way back when they seemed to make Tom Paris his own character yet gave him his former character name on Next Gen’s backstory, not in this clip but in this episode referencing the cover-up in the academy
Poor Harry never got promoted before the series conclusion. When asked at a convention Kate Mulgrew said it was because for some reason there was a rule in the writers room of every Star Trek franchise, every bridge always had to have an ensign. Now that’s according to her and if I remember correctly. I didn’t notice on DS9 and can’t recall if that was always the case on the next generation or the OG Star Trek.
Shut up, Wesley.
i don't believe the other shows had an ensign on the main cast.
Wesley was acting ensign in TNG
O'Brian was lower ranked than an ensign as he wasn't a commissioned officer on DS9
TOS: i think all the series regulars/main cast were ranked above ensign, but idk what nurse chapel's rank was.
@@PyrokineticFire1 Wasn't Chekov an ensign?
They did he was supposed to represent the everyman journey on their first posting
TOS - Had an ensign, Chekov. He went on to better things.
TNG - Had three recurring ensigns: Wes, Ro, Ogawa. All were promoted: Wes to full ensign, other two to lieutenant.
DS9 - Had two recurring characters who were ensigns: Ezri and Nog. Both were promoted.
VOY - Had a character reduced to ensign. He got promoted back to lieutenant.
There was no reason not to promote Harry Kim. None.
Not nearly as spatious as the galaxy's bridge, nor as spartan as the defiant's. Nice little ship that can take a surprising amount and give back just as much.
"Little?!"
@@orvillekidder9901 Damn. Beat me to it.
Janeway: "It's not crunch time yet, Mr. Kim. I'll let you know when."
_[Voyager gets stranded in Delta Quadrant]_
Janeway: "It's crunch time, Mr. Kim."
_[Voyager welcomes Adm. Janeway 7 years later]_
Janeways: "Still crunch time, Harry."
1 slip up. And no promotion
Did you have any trouble getting here? Harry almost got scammed by a Ferengi until I stepped in...otherwise smooth sailing!
😂 This is so funny!
Why did she have to wear a wig in the pilot? Her own hair was quite long back then as far as I remember?
I still find it weird that Kim looks around astonished at the bridge as if it's the first time he's seen it... yet don't you have to walk across the bridge to get to the captain's ready room?
Capitans ready room i do believe has 2 entrances mate, directly off the bridge, and a "side" entrace.
I don't know why, but I never saw it as Harry looking as though he had never seen the bridge before. I always look at it as he was in awe of the opportunity of serving there.
I haven't seen it since it first aired but the plot of this episode threw this show off for me from the very start. Her first responsibility is to her crew. I remember thinking at the time she carried her interpretation of the Prime Directive way too far thus causing everyone to be stranded in deep space. For the rest of the series I kept wondering why the crew wasn't more angry with her for unnecessarily stranding them, ie choosing an alien race over those sworn to her and the ship.
No her first Duty is to the PD, if it cost ship and crew then so be it
@@thodan467 Agreed. But I thought as written, she interpreted it WAY too strictly.
And that is why she is my fifth favorite captain behind Kirk, Sisko, Picard and Archer. All those fake morality and adherence to regs and when crunch time came she routinely violated them but won't forget to lecture when someone else violates them.
"Crunch time"?
crunch time. A period when pressure to succeed is great, often toward the end of an undertaking. For example, It's crunch time-we only have two more days to finish. This term employs crunch in the sense of “a critical situation or test.” [American Slang; 1970s]
I still think this was just her way of reminding her little trained minions who owns them.
I lose my shit at Harry evert time
Voyager was a good story with some of the worst actors of the franchise. Except the doctor, he was awesome 😁
Janeway was awesome they just ruined things with Barbie Borg in a catsuit and heels although the writing was all over the place
Cap