Why Sony's Answer To The MCU Never Stood A Chance
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2023
- Spider-Man is without a doubt one of the most lucrative superheroes ever put to film. With three different franchises, and countless appearances in the MCU, Spider-Man proves to be successful time and time again. Yet, Sony in their attempt to get a Spier-Man Villain Universe off the ground has failed at every turn.
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Fun Fact: In Venom, the lobster that Tom Hardy bites into during the restraunt scene was a candy shell-coated marshmallow filling with chocolate syrup.
I've been dying to know what he ate because I was told he doesn't eat meat
Yum
Sounds delicious.
Dat shi sound good
Haha nice one
What sucks is that a solo Venom franchise could work just fine but it NEEDS to be after a Spider-Man movie with Venom IN IT.
Honestly what we have is fine. It'd be BETTER with Spider-Man so he could spin off from his villainous roots into the Lethal Protector Arc, but as is the duology so far gives us a nice Dark Comedy that makes light of Cosmic Horror while also illustrating the threat of it. It's kinda like MIB or Ghostbusters in that matter.
Sure, Venom had his own run of comics without Spider-Man, but that was after his origin story, which involved Spider-Man.
no it doesn't. you nerds are fucking embarassing
That’s like making a Catwoman movie without Batman…OH WAIT!
And maybe NOT PG-13 CARNAGE to death
FUCKING CARNAGE!!!
GOD I HATE THOSE MOVIES!!!!
7:03 “If you don’t know the source material, maybe don’t make it into a movie.” Words to live by.
"Greed is for amateurs"
SONY FAILURE.
We can only hope it flops at the movies and they rethink this thing
One could learn as much as they can about the source material? Maybe consult the creators?
Says the person whose profile picture is The Grinch from illumination
The funny thing about Morbius is that Sony thought that fans were laughing with them rather than laughing at them. By re-releasing the film they thought they were playing along with the joke, not realizing that they were the butt of it.
Sony failing with their current live-action Marvel movies, that do not have Spider-Man, but succeding with their current Marvel animated movies, that actually have Spider-Men, makes me appreciate the medium of animation, and choosing the right people to tell a superhero story, even more.
Another reason to get rid of Avi Arad and put Lord Miller in charge
Same like DC, they suck in DC universe movies but in animated they're superior 😁
But now the MCU is now failing because they have gone woke aside guardians 3 being a Masterpiece things took a turn for the worse again win secret invasion came out that has gotten now the worst reviews of any MCU project
You are fake Spider-Man fan and fake marvel fan.
@@kevingame3198 guardians 3 is literally a peta campaign advertisement. James gunn is literally one of the wokest directors in all of hollywood. wtf are you on about gizmo
I think probably the biggest issue is that Sony refused to make a movie about villians and instead they made them all into anti heroes when we wanted movies about villians being evil
And we've seen that be successful the Hannibal and Bates motel shows had both keads orgins into being evil and didn't hold back
Also both the og maniac and its remake was about a serial kilker being the lead and both stayed extremely evil and unlikable horrific people
So Sony has no excuse to keep doing these "redeemable" villians spiderman rogue characters
Wdym "made" them anti-heroes? Venom and Morbius have been anti-heroes on various occasions, with Venom sometimes fighting alongside Spider-Man and cooperating with him.
Kraven, on the other hand, has never been one, so they're keeping his role as a villain, just he's the protagonist.
Only 3 movies have been released, and you're telling me everybody has been turned into heroes? Who's everyone?
It’s weird how we get amazing animated films like spiderverse and Mitchell’s vs the machines from them but when it comes to their live action movies of late they just fall flat
same thing can be said to dc, ironically
Maybe it's because the comicmedium is much closer to a cartoon than real life?
@@kmalm4776that’s true given all of the crazy things that happens in comics
@@nilanavesa stop living in 2017 dawg
I think it's because they put less expectations on animation due to the lower budgets they give them. Smaller budget means less oversight and that means the directors can be more creative & less safe so we get better movies.
That dialogue from Vulture there..."Not sure how I got here, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Spider-Man. What do you say we find some other guys like us to start a team?" Poor Michael Keaton. Literally sounds like an eight-year old playing with his action figures.
I can tell that it was rushed, since the movie most likely finished production BEFORE No Way Home even got a trailer.
Like I didn't even think it was part of the original plan, but I guess Sony wanted to cash in on No Way Home's popularity.
NGL, Michael Keaton's reaction to Sony's idea here really made his head spin like "WTF is Sony trying to do with my character here?"
It's nice to see my exact grievances being aired. Venoms origin is completely tied to Spider-Man and it doesn't make sense for him to exist in a universe without Spidey
Weirdly, J. Jonah Jameson's son was clearly identified as one of the astronauts who accidentally brought the symbiotes to Earth. So we have that, yet no Peter Parker.
In the first X-MEN trilogy, Avi Arad worked as executive producer in the first two movies
But for The Last Stand, he decided to step in as the main producer
That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
Tom Rothman is to blame for last stand
@@WL1264 but Arad's presence alone is enough to jeopardize everything
@@RayMcElroy50 true did a similar thing with Spiderman 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Uncharted and Borderlands too
@@RayMcElroy50 There's a Borderlands movie?
I'm more excited for the next Spider-Verse movie than I am for any of Sony's Spider-Man ""Villain"" spinoff films.
100% it's not even close
They tried to make a Spider-man cinematic universe without Spiderman. And compensated by making all the villains into anti heroes. Should've just connected Venom to Amazing Spider-Man. Then they could've had that version of Flash Thompson become Agent.
Morbius should of been more of a horror style rated R film, similar to the 1986 “The Fly” movie. But instead of a teleporter, Morbius is trying to find a cure, and obviously instead of a Fly, it’s a Bat. And similar to The Fly movie, when Morbius gets his powers he tries to control them, but by the end of the movie he become the evil vampire killer, instead of the “anti-hero” we got. Plus the movie could have ended where the final girl blows up his lair (which would be the company’s building where he works) and when the police comes to find his body, it ends up being missing. This would hint that he escaped the explosion AND leave it open to where Morbius would become a Spider-Man villain in the future
I'd watch that.
The problem with this universe. Is that all of the characters ain't villains. They're just anti heros. Which is pretty boring since we already got two hero movie universes already.
I think we'd MOSTLY be happy if Sony's films actually mean something and aren't just cash grabs to capitalize on "Oh, it's a movie about someone who's related to Spider-Man" but rather do something unique like what the 2019 Joker movie did. If they give us something meaningful, I think we'd be okay with Sony still sharing the rights. Thankfully, ITSV and ATSV proves that wrong in the positive side.
Honestly as much as I enjoyed Venom this is why I argued before what we should have is a Movie Series where Spidey Villains thrive in a corrupt New York where there IS no Spider-Man leaving Venom as a brutal Anti-Hero to take care of them.
@@TECH097I feel like that's kind of what the cliffhanger ending of Across the Spider-Verse hinted at.
@@TECH097
That's what the first movie hinted at, but then the second movie went: "nope, Eddie and Venom do not get along, Eddie has become a complete idiot and doesn't want to kill anyone" and now only God knows what the hell they're making up for the third movie.
You want a Kraven movie? Just remake Predator but Kraven is the monster. Movie opens with some 80's looking action stars showing they are unstoppable. They get an offer. Tons of $$ to go on a hunt. Then it's a reverse "The Dangerous Game". Billionaire on a private jungle island says "I'll pay you to hunt me. I won't have anything. Naked and Afraid style. I'll provide you with a fully stocked armory". Cut to Kraven wrecking people for 90 mins. Credits. Post credits "Now there's a challenge." The first Daily Bugle to have Spider-Man on the front page.
I feel like this is how Sony manages to make Spiderman content enough to not lose their hold on the franchise entirely to one day have it go over to Disney. I see no other real point...
On the one hand, I'm kind of glad that Disney doesn't own the movie rights for Spider-Man, they already own so many things and we got two amazing animated movies, on the other hand, we got Morbius.
@@pablocasas5906 I can definitely agree with the sentiment. Having everything under one single production house just means there is no chance to maybe break out from the common style and try something new, but then again in that you get Morbius haha. So far Sony has only managed something unbelievable with the animated Spiderman, NOTHING has topped that in my opinion, not even Infinity War.
@@pablocasas5906spiderman forever belongs to marvel. And marvel made 2 billion movies out of spiderman. Your sony is suck. Disney is the company that helped marvel found back their glory, to build a successful Avengers team while your sony refused to buy marvel, said all of marvel's super heroes except spiderman are trash and treated Andrew Garfield like garbage
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The op is right, they ONLY reason they won't lose them is due to the spider verse animation films because they're actually good movies, successful and critically acclaimed
I’ve never heard him be truly frustrated like he is when talking about that Kraven adaptation 😂
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer Laura Ziskin
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
Avi Arad on the other hand, just wanted to use the movies to sell toys
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of this movie
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spider-Man was nothing without her
The amazing spider man two was NOT memorable lmao
@@MrBooonecheck your grammar again
I believe it's all about Spider-man rights on cinema. As long as Sony keep launching Spider-something movies, they'll keep the rights. Let's just hope they hit the target ocasionally so we can get titles like Into the Spider-vese once a while
Exactly which makes Sony look even worse
Eventually the MCU will get the rights like they did Fox when they kept making films to keep the X-Men and F4 rights
But I'll give Fox this at least they didn't take xmen and F4 villians and try to shoehorn them as heros
I would argue Kraven is more popular than Morbius, but his character is moot without his web-slinging prey
I heard someone say when Amazing Spiderman 2 came out that Sony basing an entire universe on one character (or in this case his rogue's gallery without even him in it) is like if The Simpsons announced that they were going to do a crossover episode with the Flanders.
It is frustrating that there are so many great CZcamsrs with real inside into the quality of movies and audience reactions, who put their thoughts online for the whole world to see/hear, and yet the Hollywood keep making the same mistakes thousands of people around the world routinely tell them to not make.
They should make Venom 3 a two-parter with The Amazing Spider-Man 3.
I would be all down for it.
Sony really messed up vulture for absolutely no reason. He went from having bone chilling dialogues to "I think a bunch of guys like us should team up."
I REALLY wish they would put all their chips down on a venom-verse where Eddie had a fall from Grace and embraced villainy. They instead have been skirting the line to try and keep venom as an anti-hero, and more of a good guy. They don’t want to take the risk, and I hate it.
More than anything, they have every chance to bring back Tobey or Garfield’s spidery; connecting them to this universe and creating an elaborate villain filled universe.
Andrew, yeah, Tobey, nope. We already got an Eddie and a Venom in Tobey's universe, so it would definitely have to be a different one. Andrew would be the most fitting one.
Remember Sony tried to launch a Spiderman villainverse on the back of TASM2? It was adorable, like a toddler thinking he could jump through hoops on motorcycle.
I still remember all those supposed movie proposals that leak during the Sony Hack from 2014. Sony Pictures were desperate to have a hit movie franchise
The DCU never understood the success of of the MCU, a slow burn. Start with ONE… one superhero, one villain, one storyline and add in supporting characters that grow. DC just kept cramming WAY too many of all these down our throats thinking that’s what we wanted, but it all ended up being too convoluted, too much to make sense. And they still don’t seem to get that point.
Exactly. Instead of focussing on Clark, Lois, Lex with supporting characters in Jimmy and Perry and one single physical villain, they're introducing The Terrifics/JSA (?) and potentially even The Authority (who should either be released around phase 5 or 6 or be relegated to Elseworlds status anyway) alongside them ... for reasons.
I’ve always thought Kraven should have been in the first trilogy. Best Spider-Man villain, hands down. Good story arch of being hunted.
This was much needed and long overdue. Thank you for the fantastic video
I wonder if the Kraven formula could work if he were out there hunting all of the other villains, with Venom as his primary target?
Now spiderman has been returned to Sony, they can use Spiderman in those movies. It's hilarious how they throw Venom into MCU in the after credits and Marvel just ignores it.
The sad thing is, they have a truly good series of movies going on with their current animated Spider-Man movies. If anything they should be massively spinning off their villains from that franchise. It'd save them money going purely animated too.
I'd watch a Spot movie.
@@radrno7 Heck I'd watch a Cool Spot movie.
1. A Venom franchise 100% could work and be really good, but by not having Spiderman you cut out a massive chunk of what made the character yo interesting
2. Even with them reworking the character to work without Peter, they rushed the *heart and soul* of the character:
*The redemption*
Venom started as a villain, hating Spiderman with a passion, then slowly phasing it out and becoming more of an anti-hero, the Lethal Protector. He was still pretty batshit, but he wasn't harming civilians anymore.
Then Eddie's whole life tumbles down, he realises how bad the symbiote is for him, it abandons him, he develops cancer and he's forced to confront that he really has nothing.
Then he gets a second chance through Anti-Venom and he gives up those powers to save countless people, earning him a small bit of fame and redeemed him in the eyes of a lot of superheroes, even Peter himself.
He then tracks down the Venom suit again, confronts the darkest aspects of himself and becomes a proper hero, partially to set an example for the son he didn't know he had up until that point, but also to prove that he is stronger than his inner demons and his upbringing.
Venom/Eddie is genuinely one of the most well developed characters in Marvel's entire history. But these movies barely scratch the surface and fast forward through a lot of the developement to the point that it barely feels earned.
The Venom-verse is straight out of the early 2000s
Sony unfortunately has to keep making Spiderman Properties every two years or they lose the whole IP. But imo, it’s still not an excuse to make ass movies especially when we KNOW you can put something golden together like SR Spiderman and Spiderverse
The other reason why Sony is making these movies to begin with, is that they don’t lose the Spider-Man film right. Since they are sharing the film rights with Marvel Studios, Marvel would get full custody.
Many people feel and want Marvel will get full custody over the Spider-Man film rights eventually.
Thank you for this
kraven not fighting spiderman is just weird. Good thing we have the spiderman 2 playstation game to look forward to instead
Great video.
On the point regarding Kraven - he used what he referred to as serums to give him powers - the trailer shows him taking a serum to get his powers and he's never been a "villain" (though this I guess would be my opinion on Kraven)
Nobody read anything about Kraven except for 'Kraven's Last Hunt', hence why they don't know anything about him and complain that he isn't what they think he is.
It's kinda funny, because if Kraven was like people imagine him to be, people would complain that they're "glamourizing" real life bad people. There's no winning.
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
I ❤️ this video and channel
Thanks you for your video and channel
It doesn't help when the 2 venom movies are just the character fighting a slightly different-colored version of himself.
They try so hard to mimic the MCU that they end up copying the exact "villain is just like the hero, but different" formula that the MCU was infamous for during early Phases.
I haven’t seen any of these Sony Anti-Hero Villains movies and don’t plan to see any of the newer ones. I do think Arron Tayler-Johnson is a solid pick to play Craven but not in a solo movie without a Spider-Man.
I feel like Ang Lees Hulk is one of the most underrated superhero movies. I wouldn’t put it in that batch of misfires
While I didn’t hate venom, when I heard it was being developed I instantly knew this cinematic universe would fail.
Full Fat Videos made a great pitch on how he would make Venom 3 and I actually want it to happen, knowing it won't. At least not in that way.
Edit: and Captain Midnight made a great pitch on how he'd make Kraven the Hunter and I actually want that to happen, knowing it won't. At least not in that way.
I feel like this video was more of just "Why morbius failed." because as we see with the box office sales for Venom, neither Venom movies really failed at all. They had pretty great soundtracks (IMO) and I enjoyed both of them, with my only issue being that in some scenes it's kind of hard tos ee what's going on. I don't think it's a surefire thing that the future movies in this verse are going to fail at all. They might, if Sony disrespects the characters like they did with Morbius, but I think it's fine.
The Venom movies are dumb, but they had the decency to still be fun to watch. Tom Hardy’s weirdo performance makes it worth it.
'Morbius' doesn't really ruin anything about the character. The problem is that it's a very boring one and there isn't much to do around it. He's a doctor and a vampire. How do you make that interesting? I legit don't see it, not even with Spider-Man in it.
Actually, I think creating stories around side and minor characters can be more interesting than characters that have been done over and over again for decades. Nothing against Spider-Man, he's one of my favorite superheroes (tied only with Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)), but with lesser, or virtually un-, known characters you can try something new and build their world for the ground up. Relatively recently I came up with an idea for a Frog-Man... story? I don't know what medium I was thinking it would be for. TV show, comicbook series? Regardless, I was able to unironically think up a whole word based around a joke character, and fill it with plenty of side characters and arch enemies that would explore themes of humility, self-confidence, and redemption. (Hopefully I can bring it to life someday.) My point is just that side characters can make for really good main characters, too, if handled well.
With TV doing Hour-Long Episodes (ex: Arrow) and the Rise of TV Miniseries it's hard for movies to be solo acts.
The Sony Cinematic Universe is like the ship of Theseus, except nobody put any new planks back on. It’s just a ship that’s now made of nothing, and is somehow still sailing thanks to the abstract concept of “a ship.”
What an apt and aesthetically pleasing analogy.
I'd say it's definitely not the ship it was before, but the new version of the ship just keeps slowly sinking because it wasn't properly rebuilt.
Tom Holland already pitched the perfect fix -- The "villain" movies are in the "Amazing" Universe with Andrew Garfield's Spider-man who "stopped pulling his punches" and is presumably a wanted murderer in hiding.
That way, Sony can do villain movies and bring Garfield' Spider-man back *LATER* as a recurring antagonist.
Didn't they cancel el muerto? Please tell me they didn't come back on that announcement
I'm fairly certain making all those solos R-rated and building up to a King in Black crossover could've worked swimmingly.
Just imagine Venom, Carnage, Shriek, Toxin, Morbius, Hunger, Kraven, Rhino, El Muerto, Black Cat (?) and the odd Spider person facing off against Knull.
Obviously, they should've given Carnage his due in Venom 2, not killing him off and keeping his threat level intact.
Not shying away from Morbius actually biting and draining (innocent) people without the "Milo" cop-out would've gone a long way in establishing his villainy before the inevitable antihero turn.
El Muerto might be a supernatural Bane stand-in.
Avi Arad is like the last if his kind after them fired Inhuman Fanboy Ike Perlmutter.
These cinematic univereses are only a symptom of the alck of creativity and of how much they avoid taking risks in new ideas and new stories
Cant wait for when they finally do an Aunt May solo movie
I knew how bad "Venom: Let There Be Carnage" was gonna be when I saw it had the writer from "50 Shades of Grey"
And if that's not bad enough, she's DIRECTING the 3rd Venom movie, as her directorial debut
Meanwhile, "Madame Web" had the writers from MORBIUS
Sony really knows how to get the best of the best./s
@@michaelstrong5383 or the cheapest and fastest ones
They really should have combined this universe with Garfield’s The Amazing Spider-Man. Making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man might be the dumbest idea Sony has ever done. After SpiderVerse 3 comes out (unless they make TASM 3 or Spider-Man 4), Sony should just give Spider-Man back to Marvel.
I'm surprised you didn't go into how Venom was going to be a horror film or why Sony is pumping out as many Spider-character films as possible.
Why, after introducing Donald Glover as Aaron Davis AKA The Prowler in Spidey Homecoming, would you make a movie with him as the lead character "Hypno-Hustler"???
VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY
MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT
And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT
This so called cinematic universe is doomed to fail, and all because of AVI ARAD
Meanwhile, ITSV and ATSV had the writers from The Lego Movie and it turned out to be great.
Repeat the same comment all over again. Get a life
@@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317 I knew I've seen this comment somewhere. Do you mind telling me where this comment was last seen?
> VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY
Somewhere out there, in the deepest and darkest corners of the internet, there is probably a fanfiction that managed to mix both of them.
Green Goblin, Electro, The Spot pales in comparison to the big bad of the Sony Spider-Man universe: Avi Arad.
I hadn't seen the Kraven trailer, and now I'm happy I haven't anyway. I don't see why they don't put Spidey into their villain movies - or rather, why they aren't just making Spiderman movies where the character is explored by Parker questioning their motives and actions, trying to help them until the very last.
Personally i'd reallybwant them to bring in Spiderman intk this universe as an adult (as he has been for most of his comic run)
It would seperate him from his Disney persona and he would fit better with the darker tone. I'd love a spiderman vs Morlun movie.
Even if for now, he were just in the shadows, a threat, or the prize the characters are seeking... just like you said, without him, these movies are just aimless.
According to Boxoffice Pro, the upcoming superhero team-up movie is currently tracking to earn between $25 million and $35 million in its opening weekend at the box office. If Madame Web does end up launching somewhere in that range, it would mark the lowest opening weekend yet for the SSU franchise. Morbius currently has the worst SSU opening weekend at $39 million, followed by Venom ($80.3 million) and Venom: Let There Be Carnage ($90.1 million). Even if Madame Web comes in on the higher end of its tracking, its opening would still be lower than The Marvels, another female-fronted superhero team-up movie, that opened in November 2023 with $46.1 million.
The points about craven felt personal
I think kraven will be different from the other ones because of the type of storytelling and the producers/directors on it
Let's get an Image Comics Universe. Spawn, Gen 13, etc. or at least a good Spawn movie.
Todd has been working on a Spawn film for a long time, I hope it sees the light of day
I actually think an El Muerto movie could have been lots of dumb fun. Just tweak it to make him a hero and beat up villains with insane wrestling moves and boom, you got a uniquely niche action movie that could work well, but it looks like Bad Bunny's busy scehdule is preventing that, so that's kind of a shame.
I remember when the only cinematic universe was from Kevin Smith.
Is there such a thing as "producer espionage"? Because sometimes I look at big studio decisions and thing someone way high up is getting paid off to make films worst by competitors.
"Why should I put Julie Andrews in as the voice of a sea monster in Aquaman? OH, So Disney can't have her cameo in Mary Poppins Returns. Right. Give me a yacht and I'll pull some strings".
"Why should I make a movie about Kraven the Hunter? Because it will lower the IP value for Disney to buy Spiderman back? Oh nice. Thanks for another "Birthday present" this year, by the way".
I have no history with Kraven and I think it looks like a fairly decent action movie. If, like me, you disconnect it from any pre-existing IPs and go in blind, you might enjoy it.
I do understand that actual Kraven fans would be severely pissed off though. 😅 I would be too if one of my beloved franchises was butchered. 😂
Wait, Kraven in the movie can take on animal powers and he hunts criminals? So...he's Vixen? Just make a Vixen movie! If they are going to keep making Spider-Man movies based on his villains...will they do a Silvermane movie? A Molten Man movie? A Beetle movie? Oh they should make a Beetle movie to cash in on the Blue Beetle movie. Trick grandparents into taking their kids to the wrong movie mockbuster style!
Oh yeah, trick grandparents into watching the wrong flop lol
I didn't watch the Kraven trailer so I had no idea what it was even about. And the only exposure I had to the character was Spectacular Spider-Man which was so long ago, I don't remember how he was portrayed. But oh my God, that sounds terrible! They're blatantly ripping off Vixen! And she already had her own movie! Sorta. There's this weird thing Warner Bros does where combine all episodes of their animated DC webseries into a movie. And Vixen is one of them. And it's in the Arrowverse! Even though as a Black guy, I don't like that the Arrowverse cast part-Black part-White actresses to play effing Africans (Mari and Amaya), it's still decent. I'd recommend it.
Dissclaimer: I haven't read the comics, only the civil war issue.
But it's weird to me making movies about villain without their hero.
Venom worked sort of for the first movie, and after that it got pretty bad, Tom Hardy pulls people to see a movie and it works financially but the story is not working as a stand alone or a part of a bigger story in my opinion.
I wonder what they will do in the third movie, and I hope it's just not to say that they did a trilogy for him..
I am glad we are getting the spider man video game with venom and other villains.
And it sucks because I'm still salty we didn't get the scorpion that was teased and rhino as well...
Carnage was so close to being good. Loved watching it with my son, but more for the time together / not really bored . It was so damn close
Can’t lie I love these Venom movies. They’re super fun to watch. Very rewatchable
I like the first Venom movie but I love the second one.
I'm really looking forward to the next Venom movie.
I think Tom Hardy was miscast for the role. Maybe that's why I couldn't get into it.
Some people are shitting on the writers for being on strike, blaming them for the poor quality of recent cinema, while decisions like the ones made by Sony come from pure corporate greed, writers would probably love to write something they know it's better but the guys on the top don't know what they're doing
Carnage was such a letdown of the promise from Venom 1. Morbius was hard to watch.
Voice changed, he sounds happy 🎉
I like the first Venom and Morbius.
The problem is what’s the point of the shared universe without Spider-man?
I wonder if the deal with Marvel keeps them from using a live action Miles or Spider-Gwen.
Aside from the Spider-man Peter Parker, those are the only 2 I can see carrying a solo film.
“The problem” lol, the two movies you listed have dozens of problems of their own
Imho, Miguel O'Hara/Spider-Man 2099 would be a great main character.
He kinda functions as a "darker" and more aggressive Spider-Man, so him fighting Venom, Morbius and Kraven in the Sony-verse would be great.
its always a joy remembering rank 10 yugioh made the morbin' time joke
Talk about the cancelled X-Men movies
As a big Venom fan, To me the movies should always be about what audiences would love and enjoy, plus staying true to the source material. But to Sony - Money is always their main priority and they have every intention to butcher the films to make them “Profitable Mainstream Blockbusters” and we all know how they turned out.
The 3rd movie should be cancelled completely and wait till a creative genius with a heart comes along to do something right with Venom. Venom does have a huge fanbase you know.
The Joker was a good example of making a villain movie. While Sony doesn't know how to make villain movies. They just keep turning them into superheroes.
If they really want a Kraven movie, I feel like they can make it a movie about how an ordinary hunter like Sergei Kravinoff slowly slipped into evil as their quest for vengeance and vigilantism end up hurting innocent people that he loses the ability to care for others and succumbs to becoming the very monster he wanted to hunt down.
Basically a villain origin story. And the post-credits can show him going after another vigilante as a "challenge" (perhaps teasing the actual Sony-verse Spider-Man that we've never seen instead of trying to introduce MCU Spidey)
Failed? Past tense? it's still going...still failing.
Can you please do a video explaining why Ghostbusters 2016/ power rangers movie 2017 failed?
It hasnt failed, it is still going.
Your channel on the other hand...
Holy shit at 6:28 that's a shot out of one of my @seanwardshow NYCC videos!!
simple , they need to call Kevin Fagie for the production of the film's along with Avi Arad
I genuinely don't understand Sony's plan of going all-in on this "Spiderman movie without Spiderman" universe. If they were piling in the money, I would at least begrudgingly understand it, but they're not. Morbius was a disaster, because no one cares. Kraven will probably be even more of a disaster, because no one cares. People are spending less money in the theaters as it is, where even Marvel and DC are starting to fail, and they think people are going to show up and pay money to see Madam freakin' Web??? I just DON'T understand what they're thinking.
i haven't seen any of these Spidey less verse movies and i don't plan on starting now
Aaron Taylor Johnson will always be Kick-Ass to me.
Sony can use Spider-Man. I wouldn’t say the universe has failed either. Only that it isn’t doing great. It might fail. It might succeed. I hope they have a grand plan that is really good. We shall see
I think Sony thinks that because Kraven is going to be in the Spiderman 2 game and that means everyone is going to see it
I didn't even know that about the new craven movie. Wtf.
Sonys building up their villain roster to introduce a new, Sony universe Spider-Man to go on alongside the MCU one. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up casting a SpiderWoman (Gwen) instead of a Peter or Miles since Connors is the only villain out of the menagerie we aren’t really hearing about. Possibly the Peter/Lizard event already happening, making Venoms “him” or whatever the end credit fuck some more context rather than a lil honeypot for all us.
Sony used to make the Sony Spider Universe with the release of TASM2 alongside with the lineup similar to MCU Phase 1, including the movie with The Sinister Six, Venom and Carnage, Aunt May and Peggy Carter, Spider-Man 2099, and Miles Morales, but they didn't plan the SSU in the effective way. It was even planned that Andrew Spider-Man will be giving the Spider-Man mantel to Miles while Spider-Man 2099 will be like Captain America from Earth-9200. At the end, there will be a team up with Spider-Man characters, such as Spider-Man, Venom, Spider-Man 2099, and Black Cat maybe, similar to Avengers 1, against Carnage as the main antagonist. It is only Spider-Man infected with Venom into wearing the Symbiotic Suit in such a way he will be enraged over his dead girlfriend's death before Venny drops to Eddie so that symbiote can begin his adventures with Eddie in another film at the meantime.
As far as I want to see the BETTER version of the SSU, the poor reception and low cash for TASM2 at box office demolished this version. What we got aside from that trainwreck are games by Activision with bonus content, such as Carnage and Rhino. That sucks certainly that The Amazing Spider-Man's Earth shows more potential than the Raimiverse movies rather than being a reboot series of movies after the fallout of events between Spider-Man 3 to 4, which was canned with a video gane tie-in for consoles like the Nintendo DS. There's another movie called Spider-Man vs. The Amazing Spider-Man in the works, but that was canned, thanks to the low ratings and expectations of money collected and deposited of TASM2, so Sony went to Marvel Studios to make a reboot series of movies for Spider-Man in the MCU. That sucks donkey balls. What's even worse is the arrival of Kraven in No Way Home buzzing the crap of Spidey was scrapped in favor of Kraven the Hunter because the writers of NWH wanted a solo movie for Kraven instead of adding too much characters like with what Sony did for Raimiverse Spider-Man 3. What's the problematic factor from the SSU to MCU is the deal between Sony and Marvel Studios in which hand a party cannot put a well-known character into the MCU left-out unattended because of copyright issues, which involves with Spider-Man horrendously. Sony still doesn't want to sell Spider-Man to Disney because that web-crawler will make money for them one movie by one movie at the time each year. What's is an quagmire is that the SSU is connected with the MCU on the factor of Spider-Man and other characters Sony attained so far from Marvel away from bankruptcy.
One day, one day, maybe we will see all Spider-Man characters into the MCU. That will be the beastial experience we want to see for a Spider-Man movie. In the post credit scene for NWH, a piece of Venom is crawling on a table at the bar Eddie was in. I believe I want to see MCU Spidey vs. MCU Venom as my suggestion for the next MCU Spidey movie. Spider-Man is yin while Venom yang. We want Spider-Man to grow up so he can get the bigger picture of the world surrounding him will be for the hero like him to be the best there is after all that is immortality through nalenced durality as seen as in one of your videos about the Venom movie series, Nerdstalgic.👍🤩👍
Thanks for this video. Everything about the SSU is from videos by the channel Bullets & Blockbusters.🙃