The REAL Reason Marvel Fired War Machine
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2021
- War Machine is now a mainstay in the Avengers franchise. The character of James Rhodes has come a long way since Iron Man 1, especially when it comes to the actor who plays him. War Machine has been played by both Terrence Howard and Don Cheadle, but why the switch?
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"NEXT TIME, BABY!" - Terrence Howard, Last online 11 years ago.
Lol funny definitely didn’t see the same joke on another video.
RIGHT IN THE FEELS I SEE
@@LJV2 welcome to internet buddy.
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@@LJV2 I've seen your type of comment everywhere pointing out stolen comments like it's a hate crime
The fact that Terrence said, "Next time baby!"
And never got that next time. 😔
But it wasn't Terrence it was Rodey who said it and he got that next time
And then in the 2nd movie, in his intro, Don Cheedle the legend says: "Look it's me. I'm here, deal with it. Let's move on"
and Don said "Boom lookin for this"
Idk I like both performances, I'm just disappointed that we couldn't keep the original actor
Well, to be fair the multiverse is here to maybe give actors like Terrence to actually get that "next time"
I really like Don Chaedle and find it a shame his role was diminished in Iron Man 2 due to the Terrance Howard dispute between Marvel and his Agency. I always wonder how the MCU would've played out if War Machine had retained his relevance in the whole of the Iron Man trilogy
Luckily for you War Machine will make a true comeback in the next couple years. In the upcoming “Armor Wars” show to be on Disney +. James Rhodes is set to be the main character
I doubt it would've been much differently. Instead of harping on what would seem like another Iron Suit variant, Marvel would naturally go the route of exploring the other Avenegers and not worrying too much about B tiered heros.
Hence why they can have so many Spider Man films across 2 phases of movies.
maybe thats why iron man 2 is not as good as the other 2,sudden change of script because of uncoorperative actor
@@sumarianprince why are you saying that to me? I’m not the one who brought up Don Cheadle. The first guy did. You should’ve brought your opinions to him, not me. No point in me seeing this
Don Cheadle is a fucking 😴 bore.
He ruined the character.
I thought Terrence Howard played a good part in the first movie but I had absolutely no idea that Rhodes and Stark were supposed to be good friends. I know now they are supposed to have a turbulent friendship but Terrence Howard played it so straight that I was completely unaware they were friends at all, it just seemed like Rhodes knew Stark through work but didn't have a lot of time for him. Once Don Cheadle came in you could suddenly see the warmth and camaraderie between the two of them. I imagine it's similar to Eric Stoltz as Marty McFly - a hell of a good actor who's just not quite right for that particular role.
I feel the opposite way about rhodes actor'd
I also feel the exact opposite. Don felt totally distant and cold where as howard felt like a bro to tony
@@acekkkkkk Reading through all the comments it seems that people are split about 50/50 on the subject. Not many seem to say "both actors were great as Rhodes" it's either that Terrence was great and Don wasn't or exactly the opposite. Not many seem to be critical of the acting either, just whether or not each actor did a good job playing Rhodes. It's funny to read such strongly split opinions and the fact that most people have good reasons for their preference.
@@acekkkkkk howard felt very special idk why and don was introduced in a not so good movie that might be one of the reasons altought in age of ultron don started feeling like a bro to tony but i always hate it when they switch actors for the same character in a franchise it's always weird just like how they changed the hulk's actor
Yeah i was kinda confused as a kid on why this random air force guy was following Tony around. I legit thought he was trying to get dirt on Tony then ended up becoming friends cause he got a medal at the end. I watched this movie a lot as a kid too, his performance just sucked that much.
It really was a shame because Terrance Howard's personality and appearance did resemble very comic book accurate War Machine, but Don Cheadle over the years proved his place. Crazy that he is nearing his late 50's.
*DAYUM* … 50 I’m so sorry lol
50?! Nah that man is 28, I swear
@@mrpineapples4752 Don’s reaction:😐
@@youngvicious1017 😭🤣🤣
I thought he was in his 20s
Fun Fact: Don Cheadle is very confused as to why he won that award.
Yeah so am I. He did jack shit in that show.
I didn't even know he starred in it or had a role in it till now. Granted I didn't watch it either but I never heard anyone speak about his character.
@@thecrazyslopoke
That's EXACTLY why he's confused about it. Lol
@@lastmanstanding7155
He was in the show for ONE scene, and he did nothing in that scene. Not much to talk about. XD
@@salkjdfhalsdgfkauhg
Wow and they gave him an award? That's really odd.
Robert did so well in iron man because he played a character that was much like himself in real life. A tragic soul who wanted to change and help people, becoming a hero.
Hiring Don Cheadle, who was really seen in the behind the scenes as someone who geniuinely enjoys the character and being a support character for Iron Man, was the best move they could ever make.
The man basically owned the role because he understood the nature of the media he is working in. Howard on the other hand, felt like he had this "I'm the big star and I don't care if this movie fails" attitude to him.
That's was makes Rhodey perfect as a friend of Tony Starks. They're two badasses. It's literally in the script too; Rhodey isn't supposed to bend over backwards for Stark. He has his own mind and emotions, he gets in a fight with Tony Stark. He's Stark's friend and helps keep him in line at times. They disagree but also take advice from each other. That's what makes Rhodey's character compliment Tony Stark.
He's not supposed to be a freakin kid Robin who just follows Batman around.
Love it or hate it, the fact is that Terrence Howard's attitude more fittingly portrays Rhodey. Don was more easily an ignorable sidekick.
I don't want Rhodey to be ignorable. I don't want him to be a goddamn pushover. I don't get why you would think the characters shouldn't be portrayed properly. Anybody can like the character they're playing. Few match.
Don Cheadle's smarter in hindsight to Howard. He played the long game and took the lower entry pay for the big pay off at the end.
IMO It's hard to compare them since Terrence didn't even had the chance to wear the suit or get into action
To be fair don barely wears the suit anyway since he barely ever shows up
He got a raw deal . He gets a decrease in pay while your coworker get a raise . Not cool MARVEL IS CHEAP TOWARDS ITS ACTORS. Though RDJ did stand up for his Avengers actors when Marvel wouldn't increase their pay on a new contract he made Marvel pay up and his co workers that raise . A studio thats making billions should share with its workers
@@speedracer1945 lol don cheadle was the THIRD MOVIE. wdym billions?
@@speedracer1945 Not really a raw deal 1million for being a side character that barely has to show up is a lot.
@@LucyWest370 Don Cheadle was in Iron Man 2.
Don Cheadle felt like he genuinely enjoyed playing the character
Terence's performance felt like he didn't care for the film or the characters
In short there was no chemistry between Robert and Terence and its clear to see in the airplane scene in the first movie. Cheadle and Robert in the other hand are believe friends who have each others backs if shit hits the fan. Terence in some scenes feels like he is in a totally different movie.
@@Wezqu Honestly completely believable. There was some INSTANT chemistry between Don and Tony the moment Don Rhodes appears on screen and it was great.
Also, imagine playing like a secondary character, and getting paid more than the main character in the first film, and still complaining about your pay. Was he downgraded to a million for the sequel? Yeah, and sure that kinda sucks, but it's still good pay. To me it just feels like Terrance let his ego get in the way. And I'm happy for it, wish Don was war machine in Iron Man 1 instead.
@@rev0568 Yeah if somebody told him back then the Marvel franchise would be a hit 20 more movies and plenty of cameo appearances for War Machine he would've known it was best to suck it up.
@@rev0568 he got paid more because he was an oscar nominated actor, while rdj was fresh of rehab and prision. It was a wonder he was hired at all
Maybe movie chemistry, I thought Robert and Terrance were buddies going into Iron Man --Terrance supposedly suggested Robert to begin with....
I personally liked Terrance's performance and wouldn't of minded seeing him go all the way; but business is business and I like Don too.
I know, me too. I was kind of disappointed he wasn’t in the 2nd film. However, his replacement wasn’t bad either.
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I like Don Cheadle as an actor in general way more than Terrence Howard. but I always liked Howard's performance as Rhody. I have watched Iron man 1 so many times and I never understand what the director hated about his performance so much.
Howard's character was never meant to be an equal to Tony Stark in the movie. Howard was paid for his star status, because RDJ had no star status before Ironman 1. So when Ironman 2 came about, things had changed. Howard wanted to get paid as an equal star in the movie. Disney/Marvel disagreed. Marvel turned out to be right. Good for Cheadle. Not so good for Howard.
He wouldn't have been equal, rdj would have still made more in IM2. The issue was they didn't offer him at least his going rate if 3.5 mil at the time. 1mil was an insult
@@camdonking1919 looking at the movie's he played after Ironman, who do you think paid his $3.5m "going rate" lol? Guy should have taken 1mil, do his best performance (he was horrible in Ironman imo), and have a legit reasoning to ask for more going forward. But what happened he got butt hurt, and dropped tantrum.
It's categorically false to say that RDJ had no star status prior to Iron Man. He had been a working actor for over 20 years at that point, had earned an Oscar nomination and won a Golden Globe earlier that same decade. He was a household name, and was widely regarded as one of the most talented actors of his generation at that point. The only issue was that his history of drug use and erratic behavior made him a risky person to lead a potentially high-profile blockbuster franchise. He'd burned a lot of bridges at that time, and even though he was incredibly famous and highly regarded for his talent, very few studios wanted anything to do with him.
They both did a good job but Don Cheadle really embodies Rhody for me. He's had much more time with the part so I guess that makes sense.
same
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He has way more range as an actor. Terrance Howard is always just the stoic, soft spoken, tough guy. He's not a bad actor, and he has done good work, but he doesn't fit the Rhody role to me.
@@CaptanF0rever and he don't look like he would work in an Iron man-ish suit
Same here. Terrence Howard played him a little too smooth, while Cheadle nails the no-nonsense military man persona.
“Look it’s me, I’m here, deal with it.” Real AF way to address the swap
Simplest and best way to address it in the movie. It worked and made sense to the characters relationship.
Agreed, very chad-like way to do it
Love Terrance Howard, and was disappointed when he wasn’t coming back for Iron Man 2, but Don killed it so I was quickly over it, which is usually rare cases.
Terrance Howard has had so many chances to “break out” and make tons of money but he sabotages himself repeatedly. Don Cheadle is a working actor and a professional so is it better to have a “artist” or someone who understands this is a team effort and plays well with others? I think Marvel made a great choice.
On one hand, I can understand Terrance's perspective... and to be frank, I really liked him in that role in I.M. 1. That said, he had to know he wasn't going to get THAT kind of pay as a sidekick. Sometimes you need to take the short-term cut for longer-term benefit. Iron Man didn't kill his career. HE killed his career.
So, you're telling me if you were promised $8 million, then got told they're renegotiating the contract, and you're getting $1 million instead, you would accept it?
@@Scion141 Look, I don't know if I would accept it either if I were him at that time. It's a lot easier to armchair quarterback with the benefit of hindsight... Then again, if someone like ME were told I was only getting 1 mil instead of 8, I would personally still feel blessed, but your point is very valid. That said, as I clearly said at the start, I can understand where he is coming from.
But I also understand Marvel's side. They initially paid a lot to get him due to his credentials, but they weren't interested in paying someone 10s of millions in the long run to phone in a second-tier role. Ultimately, he missed out, and now he knows that, and I think he regrets it.
He shouldn't be paid his worth? Lol.
@@Scion141 if you look at it he was over paid in the first movie but they did do him wrong dropping him that much
@@Elamado97 that depends on what the studio wants to pay them, technically they could of been paid near equal, but even then what you suggested might of been more likely.
Looking forward to Rhodes being front and center in Armor Wars
Assuming we get Marvel for that long - Sad time for the franchise ahead.
@@AgentOracle wait why, what happened?
@@AgentOracle You’re talking out your ass
@@AgentOracle as though marvel is suddenly gonna die on its ass, it’s here to stay for a while
@@AgentOracle ah yes one of the most successful IPs owned by the biggest entertainment company with a huge following will die before they could get a few episodes of an animated series out
There’s nobody other than Cheadle I could imagine doing the “Yeah he’s a king” “what are you doing” scene.
And "Boom. Looking for this?"
"Why couldn't we just find a baby Thanos and... *do rope-neck suicide gesture*..."
Important to note that the director cut down his scenes.
The relationship of characters is acted out in small gestures throughout the film. If you reduce the number of scenes they are in pre-shoot, they have to give a more concentrated performance, become more of an archetype of themselves - hence "supporting role".
If you do that post shoot... You simply water down the performance.
Honestly, it's crazy to suggest that Howard's performance was the problem, when our only metric of judging that is by taking the word of Favreau, who himself edited Howard out of the movie. Important to note - Favreau's taste in movies is a subject of debate (Jungle book, Lion king, Cowboys vs Aliens? Etc...).
It's very much possible that War Machine had was a co-lead in the original movie, and it was Favreau's personal bias that completely changed the tone of the movie. Studios don't pay 4 million for an actor they don't plan on using.
Don can pull off the lighthearted banter with other Marvel leads, I don't see Terrence doing that.
I think terrance would have been great. Terrance being the odd man out of an insane group of heroes and acknowledging how crazy everything is and getting dragged into mess would have been enjoyable. Someone actually being human. The closest member to a real human is steve but he's so self righteous that he is still far away from the average person. Terrance would have been like a 4th wall audience character. I remember watching Iron Man 1 when terrance found Tony in the desert and he said next time you ride with me. That was exactly what I was thinking.
We're talking about what if's, not confirmed fact
@@johnathanwill1945 I completely agree. The term you're thinking of is "audience surrogate"
How could you if he ain't in Marvel😶😶
@@johnathanwill1945 Agreed. Terrence was not given the chance to continue to play the character. He was the better actor.
I can't imagine the scene in Age of Ultron when Rhodes sees the Vision for the first time performed better than what Cheadle did. It's one of my favorite scenes 😂
Right
Ay mayne!..... Robot boy stole my kill Mayne! Who is this muthfukka! Yeah you right cheadle was better choice
I can
@@jimmyjam5453 👍
Rhodes saw vision (of course the character) for the first time: "Uuuuhh what??"
The Chead is the best. Love that guy. I'm honestly always excited when he pops up around the MCU (like his cameo in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier). Can't wait for him to take the leading man role in Disney+'s . He deserves it!
Yeah, I need a trailer for Armor Wars stat
I like Terrance Howard and I didn't mind him as Rhodey in the first Iron Man. And his situation absolutely sucks, if he was screwed out of the role as he claims. That said...I honestly think Don Cheadle suits the role far more than Howard did. The means by which Cheadle got the role is messy, but it worked out in the end.
Let's be honest. The movie was called Iron Man. This was Terrance Howard's ego getting the best of him. They were still going to offer him twice what RDJ took for the first movie and he was the leading role. Sometimes it's worth taking a short game loss for long-term gain. That's what Don Cheadle did. Howard's loss was Cheadle's gain.
Armored wars could have been Terrances...
Cheadlebeetle always wins
@@potatochipappi that's true. it still bugs me that he blamed RDJ for him not being in the sequel. feels a bit shameless
@@yutisima RDJ was NOT wanted by the studio for the lead role as he was unreliable, unprofessional and an uninsurable risk . Howard pushed for him as they were friends in real life and actually put his own money up to insure that RDJ would come to work and not flake out on production. It is a shame that when Howard needed RDJ to support him with contract negotiations that RDJ would only think of himself. There would be no RDJ Ironman without Terrence! I'm glad that RDJ could turn his life around and show his incredible acting skills, but it is such a shame that he is such a scumbag friend to Howard.
@@littlepeon i think, as the video said, that RDJ was on really thin ice with that one. Howard was the known and respected actor, not him. I imagine the fear to speak up knowing you're an ex drug addict turning your life around, but well, we'll never know what happened between the two
Honestly? It's about ego. Terrence Howard's ego works on Empire, because Lucius Lyon is a man of ego. James Rhodes is all about loyalty - and honestly, Don Cheadle exudes that more, and is a better fit.
This is likely why they canned Ed Norton after Hulk and gave the Bruce Banner role to Ruffalo. Actors with big egos + letting perfectionism get in the way of cooperativeness just don't make good choices for multiple future movies that share the same universe where collaboration makes or breaks this franchise.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 that and Louis Letterier wasn't even allowed to direct a lot of post production. Norton kept getting in the way and kept taking over a lot of the times. I don't know about you, but I'm a major control freak. If I wasn't allowed to fully direct something every single way I'm envisioning because someone demands it to be *their* way, I wouldn't even want to dream about that person the rest of my life.
Wait a fucking a second is this a J Cole reference simultaneously
Proof? Do you have proof it's ego?
@@LuffyBlack did you not read anything they said
Very good video. Well researched and clearly states when you jump into conjecture.
dude rdj is literally the perfect casting for tony stark, like both are someone that has struggled with addiction and with substance abuse, i wish we had gotten to see more of that in the movies
I find the theory that Terrence was let go because he was difficult to work with quite believable actually
you can clearly see from interviews he had a certain ego and stubbornness
not to mention the spectacle that is his saga in trying to prove 1X1=2
Wait is he actually trying to prove 1x1=2
@@ljspencer3 yeah I that was a weird saga of his
@@ljspencer3
yep, he is confidently and condescendingly ignorant
Everybody ive met named Terrence has a huge ego problem
I thought this was a joke, so I did some light searching to see if this was exaggerated or something.
If anything, it's worse. Not only does he think that 1x1=2, but he thinks the square root of 2 is 1.
I feel like Terrence was mad that he was Iron Man's sidekick and not Iron Man himself. Tbh, Don's performance is way better imo
I always felt like Terrance and robert had better chemistry. They’re in each other’s faces trying to get their points across. Terrance is also hitting different vocal notes as he speaks, something that my theater teacher always told us to do or look out for when watching films. Don on the other hand doesn’t even look like he’s enjoying himself. He’s a capable actor, he’s just monotone and going through the motions. I really think that Fav’s take on Terrance ‘s performance has to do with Terrance not obeying the tone that Fav wanted to set. Robert and Terrance seem almost inseparable, like one is trying to outdo the other , which i found really entertaining, but also a far cry from the tone Marvel has set for its “characters first,” or character central movies. Marvel likes very distinguished characters and the tone has to be perfect to hit that mark, and Nothing Meta that the audience might notice like two actors trying to one up each other or Terrance trying to outdo robert I should say. That’s the only thing I can think of when they say he did a bad acting job.
@@VonJay i do agree that Terrence Howard is an amazing actor, but I think he would've never worked out for the mcu. Not because of his acting skills, but because of his attitude and inability to work with others. He wasn't a great team player and in a franchise like the mcu being a team player is important. But then again, Hollywood does have a problem with screwing actors over written contacts
Its not an interesting character, played by two uninteresting actors tbh
@@aldrichjosiah6495 no doubt. I don't see him getting along with everyone else. I Don't mean that in a bts way because I've never been on set with him. And idk how they told him to act but in my opinion, Donnie shined more whenever Terrance wasn't on scene. Donnie is a better actor in my opinion but it feels like the character had a one up on Tony while Don Cheadle's Rhody is too neutral to shift the tone.
@@helenomstreken7577 imo, most of the mcu characters and side characters especially aren't interesting. Not that the comic characters aren't, because they are, but the mcu formula leaves out plenty of literary devices, formidable villains and necessary risks to make these characters interesting. It's because marvel is following a three act, family friendly formula. They're also risk averse and keep things very very simple. However, I've found that the newest phase is taking a considerable risk as it's the most cinematic that I've ever seen the MCU. Well, the shows at least.
5:24 that music
Don Cheadel to Terrence Howard: "Boom, you looking for this?"
showing the war machine role and the $40M
i can imagine Don Cheadel nodding and make the face lmao
underrated comment
😂
Don Cheadle nominated for an Emmy in a "and now, let me explain things" tertiary role is hilarious.
I don't even remember him being on that show
@@ZincAddict I didn't see the show, but wasn't in it yeah?
@@ZincAddict he was in episode one for two min
A show full of hammy as fuck acting will make one good (even if short) performance stand out.
The supporting cast was way better than the leads, and you could've picked a few of them for that award.
I was fortunate enough to be on the set of the first 2 movies, and after the first one it was weird seeing Cheadle play the role. TH was perhaps the coolest guy on set. Very nice to all of the servicemen and women, I included. Talked with the guy for a solid 10 minutes about the industry, and trying to figure out what to do when they were done for the day. He was in disbelief when he had no real place to go to off of base outside of driving all the way back to LA for a night-life scene.
GP was ...... as unpleasant as the stories about her. Truly!
RD Jr. was super in the role. Method acting I believe.
I just know that at the time of the first movie TH was coming off of being nominated for the Oscar and he got paid a great fee for Iron Man. If I"m not mistaken he was paid the most for the first flick because of that. If that is the case, the rest of what I believe to be true would make sense. IM2 was supposed to really bring in the War Machine and at the current pay rate of TH, he wanted even more for a sequel that actually was going to be focused on him far more. There is no way a supporting actor should make more than the lead in 2 movies with half of the screen time.
Especially when the man that is on screen as Iron Man also has an Oscar under his belt. TH priced himself out of the role. Cheadle was a great pick up for less bucks.
I actually really liked Terrence‘s performance, the slightly friendly but still professional persona was not seen again by war machine and for me made it a struggle to like wall machine in the future
Don Cheadle has more best friend chemistry with RDJ than Terrance.
I've honestly always felt the opposite. I never bought their friendship after the recast.
Quite the opposite, as another user has stated, RDJ and Terrance felt like they were at each other's faces trying to outdo the other which perfectly fit the dynamic of Tony and Rhodey being best friends and somewhat rivals, at least in the solo films, of course there was no point in building upon that dynamic any further when the future of the character was to be largely sidelined and his role in the overarching story minimized.
Yeah I've always felt it weird that people couldn't differentiate who was the better War machine/Rhodes, although it's subjective but definitively Terrence and Robert in only one movie had a more believable brotherly and equal friendship while Don cheadle is quite frankly childish little brother type in all the movies. And acting wise Terrence is better but I guess as a minor role it really doesn't justify the pay rate there i said it.
tbh I don't really like either of them
@@peypug5838 “some men just want to see the world burn” 😂
You know, technically, Terrence was never war machine. Don Cheadle became war machine. Terrence was simply Lt. Colonel Rhodes.
Yes , I was gonna point that out as well.
Thats a reach come on, you and everyone else knew who he was
You mean the same guy that war machine is just stop
@@crosswiz6 Even though everyone knew who he was supposed to be, Terrence was never given the chance to be War Machine on screen.
God Don Cheadle sucks
I was always curious to know why they didn’t use him in the rest of them. He fit the character perfectly.
When I originally heard that his pay was cut to a million if he wanted to appear in Iron Man 2 I took his side considering how much more of a role the character played after the first film. I didn't know that had he accepted he was actually going to have a much smaller role than in the original. So in the end I'm glad he was replaced.
Howard was still offered the role, just at a massive pay cut. That means someone (Favreau and other management level people) didn't want him to reprise his role. All he had to do was just take the pay cut and he'd still be War Machine, that was his choice. Don Cheadle likely will forever be grateful to Howard for turning it down. Besides, who doesn't like Donny Cheadle!!
gonna be honest Terrance was pretty bland in Ironman one, from all i've seen he really didnt deserve the pay he got for the first movie. Re-watching the first movie there were times i thought Terrance was just a random soldier with a couple speaking lines. Don Cheadle on the other hand put so much effort and personality into the character, actually felt like he knew tony stark in the movie and not just "hey best friend i haven't seen in 20 years" type shit
@@maiyapride8457 Couldn't agree more, just commenting about all the crying he did as a result of loosing the role. Love Cheadle, he's perfect as his best bud.
@@maiyapride8457 Its true, but that was also because of writing. Don Cheadle already become War Machine. Its big difference, thats why you think he put more in character because he played full character Rhodes and War Machine. While in Iron Man 1 it was just beginning of Rhodes, who is not yet War Machine best part of character. And Iron Man 1 main focus was his origin story that also had impact on weak perfoamcne of Rhodes, while in second it was more about Rhodes and other things not just Iron Man
Ummm...thanks? That's exactly what was said in the video.
I don't like don Cheadle
I’m disappointed that you didn’t mention ike pearlmutter marvels ceo at the time. The guy was pulling all the strings at that time and had a huge part on not paying Terrence
Was he the same guy that said audiences wouldn't know the difference?
@@SlashManEXE
That sounds perfectly in character for him. Perly is the reason Black Widow and Black Panther were not Phase 2 movies, and whiy Iron Man 3 was heavily rewritten to get rid of the originally female main villain.
@@Carabas72 he's also the one responsible for the X-Men and the fantastic four disappearing from media for a while
@@SlashManEXE yep. and the reason marvel TV was so shit for a while. and the reason that an inhumans movie was almost pushed out. and the reason that the x-men were basically killed and replaced with inhumans in the comics. and the reason the inhumans tv show was run on a shoe string budget. he REALLY wanted the inhumans to replace the x-men because he hated that fox was making money off a marvel property. oh yeah! and the reason why we never got a black widow movie until now! or why there weren't that many black widow toys! because boys won't buy girl action figures.
hes a trash person and i'm glad they pushed him out. hopefully hell lose all power within marvel altogether, and we can get some actually good marvel cartoons again.
@@Morlock19
He is, of course, also the guy that was responsible for pretty much permanently selling off all those movie rights to Spider-Man, X-Men etcetera in the first place.
And one of the very few people who have both the ability and the stomach to be friends with Donald Trump.
3:40 John Favreau was ultimately "UNhappy" with Terrence Howards performance🤣🤣
Robert Downey Jr was perfect casting. Addictions and all, kind of mirrored his real life a bit.
Could you do a video about how Chris Evans got a second chance to star in another Marvel film.
I feel like that ones not much of a mystery. Fantastic four was so bad there’s still marvel fans who don’t know he was even in it lol
@@procrastinator547 probably true. I have seen those movies and when I compare his acting, you can just see how much more comfortable he is as Steve Rogers when compared to Johnny Storm.
I don’t care what you guys say about Fantastic Four (2005) I love it, it’s so underrated.
@@kyliethelittlespider-mangirl94 I agree. Johnny Storm was actually a very funny character.
In fact the 2015 Fanstastic 4 was so bad that... It shouldn't have been made.
If anything, Michael B. Jordan was given a second chance in Black Panther.
I wouldn't really call it a second chance for Chris Evans or Michael B Jordan. I think Chris Evans was hilarious in the original. And I'd say Michael B Jordan wasn't a bad actor in the reboot it was just horrible writing
This makes me wonder, how much better of a deal was Cheadle? He had a fairly impressive resume at the time too, but maybe he was more down to earth about what the role was going to be/worth in salary.
And of course just a better fit for the character (as someone not at all familiar with War Machine outside of the MCU). So I definitely didn't mind it.
I sometimes wonder how Norton would have done in the team up movies. Probably not as lighthearted as Ruffalo has been. Less fun to have on set too, I imagine.
As a person to be around for 12 hours a day, ill take Ruffalo every fucking day of the week. Both good actors, but as personalities go -- Ruffalo hands down
Ruffalo in Eternal Sunshine is basically young MCU Banner
I think Norton is the better actor (although maybe not the best choice for hulk), but Ruffalo is definitely rumored to be less of an ass hole on set.
@@birdiec I agree Norton likes to control the script
From what I can tell, Cheadle is far more professional. He doesn't strike me as someone who would do what Howard has.
I think Terrance Howard gives off more of a commanding presence than Don Cheadle.
Even though it hurts to have your expected earnings cut to 1/8, it's mean to go after people for things they didn't do.
But yeah, acting is a lot trickier than we usually think it is.
I would of still did ky best cuz 1 million is better than 1 dollar we normal ppl working living paycheck to paycheck n that 1 million is what we as normal ppl dream to have
Did you cover what happened to Ed Norton yet? I remember being in theatres for Avengers and wondering where Norton was.
Remember Endgame?
Neb: **after removing the orb**
"I wasn't always like this..."
Rod: "Yeah, me neither..."
[**Flashback**]
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exactly. And then there was "excuse me new girl" and "scarlet, part of me doesn't even want to know" or something like that. He delivered some great lines.
best comment so far... XD
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Lmao I was confused with this comment, but I get it now. Just in case anyone else got confused:
Neb = Nebula
Orb = Power Stone container
Rod = Rhodey
This takes place when rhodey and nebula went to Morag then Nebula reaches her hand to get the orb, which causes her hand to melt
The line "It's me. I'm here. Deal with it." is most likely a meta way of telling the audience to not stress about it. At least that's what I think.
EDIT: Thanks for the likes!
I agree. It's the impression I got when I saw it for the first time.
Most likely, it sounded way too unnatural to be unintentional
Maybe it was also targeted at Howard himself as in "yeah now this guy is in your spot, that's life" which make it extra meta and kinda spicy lol.
@@sunbleachedangel True
@@piccoloatburgerking Huh, that makes sense too.
I think replacing Howard for Cheadle was the right call.
In the first movie, Howard played Rodey in a uppity and energetic tone, but it just seemed to clash with RDJ because the two played the characters in such a similar manner.
Cheadle, in contrast, plays the role in a lot more of a quiet, but also more serious manner, which I think counterbalanced RDJ’s energy very well.
Very true. Roadie is the straight man to Stark's sarcastic wisecracker. Though he definitely has a humor style of his own as well.
I agree plus for me i think Don works better aswell because I really distinctly remember him in that preteen film called Hotel for Dogs and his role is very responsible adult and a caring guy which i think is definitely where he took Rodey and how rodey treats Tony with tough love because he often has to be the responsible one, I feel like especially in iron man 2 and in future projects, Howard wouldn't have worked for this dynamic because he felt like he was endorsing Tonys iratic behaviour and mirrored it. War machine always felt like a mix of Iron Man and Captain america and Don Cheadle did this really well and I think we'll see more of this in Amour wars. Howards just felt like a less Tony stark Iron man duplicate which just doesnt work for the iconic iron man trio of Tony, Pepper and Rodey.
I really liked Terrance Howard in the first movie, and expected him to come back for sequels. He was perfect for that role. And his armor was literally like Iron Man himself.
If he'd just accepted that "smaller" paycheck for Iron Man 2, he would have made a fortune just sticking to his character. But now its too late for that.
Must have been frustrating to see how "his" role just kept getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger. He missed out on being a full part of this now legendary set of movies.
Its a tragedy really.
I think he kinda dodged a bullet given how underwhelming they ended up making Rodey/War Machine throughout the rest of the franchise.
I'd love to see Terrance and Norton cameo in LOKI.
I rather see Tobey Maguire
That will probably be in no way home
They would never want to come back lol
@@gomi_chow Multiple Spider-Mans trading quips with multiple Lokis would be fun to see.
Only if they are willing to pay 8 million dollars for a cameo
I like how Terrence claims he is the one that recommended RDJ to play as Iron Man but it was actually Stan Lee that requested him. Sounds to me like he's bitter over the success of the MCU so he says something like that to show some sort of involvement.
Honestly yes, if you blame Iron Man for ruining your career, that's a sure sign. If the movie went total bust then sure, but the first movie was a hit, and then his career fizzled out because of his own decisions.
Ikr dudes ego has blinded him
@@Sock-Puppet lol pure copium, simple as that.
It's basically a story of a man who's playing a supporting character who expects to be paid and treated like a main character.
@@fbi855 alright agent coulson, back to work
1:30 from what movie is this scene?
I never even noticed the recast until I rewatched iron man a few years later
This is pretty spot on imho. I thought that Terrence Howard's performance was pretty lackluster in Ironman. I was pretty pleased when he was replaced with Don Cheadle. It's hard to explain, but every time Howard tried to give his lines in a military setting, it felt so out of place; it almost felt like Howard was playing DJay (his Hustle & Flow character) as if he had gone into the military instead of pimping/rapping. Meanwhile, Cheadle nailed the part of a career military officer balancing a friendship with someone like Stark.
Side Note: I had no idea RDJ was only paid $500,000 for the first Iron Man. I know he was on the career rebound, but wow.
Essentially RDJ had to accept that the studio saw him as a liability. He was humble about this and wanted to work. Sounds like Terrence Howard wanted to be recognized as a draw but wasn't putting in the work.
3 different Hulks
2 different Rhodes
2 different Fantastic 4 families and Dr. Dooms
4 different Spider Man/Men
2 different Quick Silvers...
We've been watching the multiverse of madness all along!! 😳 😜😆😆
**shocked Pikachu face**
4 spider mans????🤨
@@anti9306 yes bro only 3 yet I was shocked
I think he might said miles morales
New fantastic 4 and a new blade are on the way.
When is the 2nd T'Chala..?
Don is a perfect fit for the role today, and i think he plays it really well
what? how? in my memory of watching whole ironman movies, first time war machine introduced to the series was played by Don Cheadle. i don't even remember when war machine played by another actor.
I'm biased towards Don because he speaks fluent Cantonese.
And that he also learned kungfu from master Freddie Ching
@@imm0rt544 They're brothers lol
@@shadowaitherios6172 I hope that he still have his restaurant.
@@imm0rt544 that is a fcking good reference.
@@shadowaitherios6172 😂 beat me too it
I was annoyed with my suspension of disbelief being tainted...until Don said "it's me I'm here deal with it." Now that's how you intro a recast.
I personally thought Terrence Howard was a better War Machine since he has more of a presence in the movie. He commands more attention. Don Cheadle, for me, is forgettable and doesn't add any character to the role. I like Don Cheadle, I just believe his War Machine performances weren't good.
With that said - There's a comment below that many people are overlooking and I wish this youtube video covered. I'll copy/paste it below - as this is the real reason why Terrence had to decline:
"the contract for the first film already covered the sequence, this is very common, to sign and agree with the salary for the next movies, if and when they were to be released, in the contract usually the studio is only obligated to hire with the defined salary if the sequel would be made, which protect the studio if the project fails. These contract are used to ensure the salary of the actors do not deviate and go thru the roof once the franchise is very successful, it is very common for those franchise to sign a contract for 3 movies at least, Chris Evans for example mention several times that he was very reluctant to sign and was convinced by Downey Jr. because he didnt' want to be contractually tied for 10 years.
Now back to Terrence contract: according to him, his contract already covered the shooting of the sequence for the same salary, and when disney get back offering less, it should be a violation of his contract. Only then Howard found out that the contract only obligated him to participate in the movie for that value if Disney wanted to pay it, but Disney was not obligated to honor that value if it choose not to do it. this was a low blow, he felt tricked by the legal nuances, which really puts him in a hard spot.
Accepting this change not only set precedence to receive less in future projects but also set a precedence to the studio to continue this kind of contractual exploit with him and other actors (something that lawers disney seem to be experts)"
What is the music of the background?
I was aware about the financial disagreement and that was why he walked away and really, I understand his perspective and why he did what he did. What I didn't know is that he has been publicly stating things about the franchise haha.
To be fair, everyone in the industry who's unlikely to get a phonecall from Kevin Feige eventually bashs Marvel Movies. As James Gunn has implied. It's a great way to essentially promote whatever project you're working on that's not getting the attention you think it deserves while telling everyone that you're a SERIOUS ARTIST.
@@BHRamsay Oh, what did James Gunn implied? I’m not really updated with what happened behind the scene so I’m curious.
@@BHRamsay lol u sound like a fan boy
marvel movies are great fun but they don’t go outside the boundary
And not all actors want to be in that part of the movie.
And honestly there are so many actors in Hollywood but really how many ppl bash marvel
@@dandansfu
What does don't go outside the boundary means? Pardon my ignorance
@@daemonace5910 they all have to follow Disney set of guidelines/rules
Don’t get me wrong. They are fun to watch and they do take their time and effort to keep setting things up and they select great cast with great chemistry that carry the movies but in terms of story , depth , they are very Disney
Nothing wrong with that but for some actors they may want to do something more “non mainstream “ for lack of better words
That’s why while they are popular , ppl even Mcu fans still choose dark knight as greater super hero movies
I like the fact it's never mentioned in the films that Rhody stealing the Warmachine armour was ALLOWED by Stark.
It would've been easy for Stark to switch off the Warmachine armour, but he obviously chooses to let Rhody take the armour. And he never makes it known that he let him take it because that's how cool Stark is.
The way that scene and a few others were presented, I am pretty sure that armor was literally made for him. Stark is a bro like that.
Nick Fury brings it up when he and Tony are talking in Iron Man 2.
Fury: "Lil brother walked in there, kicked yo ass, and took your suit! Is that possible?"
He has Natasha confirm that there are security bypasses that prevent unauthorized entry, which basically means Tony let him take the suit.
Terrance Howard is the real War Machine. Don Cheadle is a Skrull
Terrence howard would love to see tha armor wars and thinking bout how much he will got if playing in those series
Don Cheadle's interpretation of Rhodey is far more relatable than Terrence Howard's. In the end, that's what matters in any film. Success depends on audience perception.
I can understand Terrence's perspective. He was friends with Robert D Junior. He pushed for him and then they dropped his pay and cut his part. Terrence is a great actor and he is more charismatic as an actor. But Don... I think he fits the image of Rhode better. He seems like more of a stoic soldier.
Terrence was his friend and took 8M while RDJ took 500K, dude was on screen for a few minutes. That's not a friend, that was his business decision.
@@nobytes2 they didn't want Robert at all though. Terrence recomended him.
In the second film the money was the other way around.
@@kellharris2491 Because Downey was the real actor, the main gold bar. Terence was the silver bar. They already paid him 8 mil for his supportive role and for RDJ recommendation even tho they didnt want him, they just stuck with RDJ cause he was cheap. And then by Ironman 2 since RDJ is coming back and was the gold bar in the 1st movie they decided RDJ would get the bigger pay considering he lifted the 1st movie with 500k. Terence should have just taken the 1 mil. Its better than nothing
@@braincell4536 if you're pay went from 8 mil to 1 mil you would be pissed too.
@@braincell4536 another reason is, sometimes, not all sequel get positive things, lot of sequel getting flop too. Imagine you pay terrence for 8 millions, and rdj for 10 millions, then the movie ia going flop? Terrence should wait to see if second movies is going well, not just drop it
That counter offer literally came on the day Terrance was at his mother's funeral. THEY NEVER WANTED HIM BACK.
cause he sucked at being brody, best decision ever made... paid less money ... got a better actor
@@serumbae7879 He was considerably better imo. Not that Don Cheadle is bad, he was just directed to be the standard forgettable sidekick. Terence had presence in Iron Man 1.
@@serumbae7879 HE HAD A signed contract YOU FOOL. How would you like to have a signed contract and then get a counter offer that you never received because you were at your mother's funeral and your replacement hired in 24 hours.
@@jorgepereira2950 I disagree
@@jorgepereira2950 Not true
Howard seemed like a diva in some of the interviews I saw him give. I really liked him in Hustle and Flow, but he appears so few times in Iron Man that it felt like they could have cast some aspiring actor for the role, instead.
I didn't know the studio didn't want RDJ at first, which seems effing insane lol
Great text, thanks!
With all due respect to Terrance Howard, I'm somewhat with Jon Favreau- I know he was just a side character, but he didn't really do much with the role. He seemed very monotone and uncaring.
Don Cheadle was a great replacement, and even if he isn't spectacular all the time, his role generally is well done. Not nearly as bored/uncaring, at least in my opinion
I feel like the monotone acting was just the aesthetic of the time for movies. Marvel completely changed the pop culture of the movie industry with their movies and how they did them.
I like Don more cheerful and funny persona than Terrance, too. However, the comic version of War Machine is really the always serious, no fun military dude archetype. Which kinda fit terrance more. However, i also don't think that the movies need an comic accurate WM either. I like think to be more fun and less serious
@@dieptrieu6564 Don cheedle was more impactful with the character in his first appearance than howard was with his. Also, he is much more cheerful. there was already enough to not be cheerful about with the one guys death in the cave we certainly didn't need more of the sadness.
@@arthurpendragon8192 Uh? Did you read my comment? I was saying exactly this?
The script he was working with was a monotone and uncaring character, in Iron Man 1 he was there as a military attache to pull Tony Stark in line.
Don Cheedle was given a more comic relief.
Thats down to the writers not the actors
The fact that I couldn't care less about the answer to this question is probably indicative of why he wasn't brought back
who is the speaker in this video? do they have solo CZcams channel
1:18 wow it's two of my favorite joker together
its the studio fault. they should of never promised terrance more money than the main actor
To be fair, RDJ was relatively unknown at that time and they didn't want to pay him too much in case it flopped.
@Jordan Vance One might say major risk is an understatement
I forget what movie it was, but RDJ and Winona Ryder were cast in the same movie and the insurance company for the production said the studio couldn't use both of them because they were seen as uninsurable.
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To be real honest, in my opinion it was a noticeable difference when Howard was replaced. I like Cheadle just fine, but I really thought Howard nailed it. He had amazing chemistry with RDJ and he just had a better comedic feel. He would have made Rhody a better character. Imo.
The chemistry with RDJ makes sense since they are (or were) actually friends in real life, and in general the natural method acting of the first Iron Man - at least between those two - is probably what made it so good.
I disagree and since this is the internet and i disagree with you, you are now everything phobic
I did feel that Don came off as a tad too dry, cold and uncaring in Iron Man 2. But I eventually warmed up to him in future movies in the MCU.
I hated Terrance howard
@NI GGER you can't say that to him, thats sexist
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Get video, wonderfully thought out and expressed
We now have variants and the multiverse.
Terrence could easily come back as War Machine from another timeline.
Won't happen, but it's cool to think about.
Doesn't make sense. So Rhodey was swapped somehow got another Rhodey in another universe?
@@reagle9315 from another universe, it'll be two Rhodeys in one place and when it comes to multiverse, that's a possibility
@@24Ippo I agree with Jonathan. Did Iron Man 1 take place in an entirely different universe from the rest of the MCU?
@@DoctorPhileasFragg it's more complicated, if we consider the MCU as the main timeline (which we the viewers consider it as it is) then it would be like the same scene but different characters and not far from the main timeline.
The next movie of Spider-man will explain the concept of the multiverse but you can watch Loki (series) for more info.
PS: My guess is that they're going to explain this particular scene at some point.
@@24Ippo Oh so now it's timelines instead of universes?
Simple.
Terrence's Ego and his short-sighted agent killed his career and cost him tens of millions of dollars in the long run.
yeah, instead of taking criticisms and acting classes and trying to do better, He instead bitch up, Oh well his replacement is better in my opinion.
Thank you
Yep, he should have taken the million, try to improve, and then make the big bucks later on like everyone else did.
I never liked Terrance. He's such an ego trip
I actually think he made the correct business decision at the time. He could’ve have made more working on other movies (each movie can take several years of work). Your criticism is somewhat fair considering he wasn’t able to act very successfully in other roles since, but he had no way of knowing what the MCU would become. Odds were that it would end after 2 or 3 more movies like most other superhero movie series before. I mean the Hulk movie right before was ended after 1 movie and that was originally intended to be in the MCU. Hindsight is 20 20, so it is obvious now he should’ve stuck around and even he regrets it.
They let War Machine go because he was the next Iron Man hero in line. Sure, he couldn't have done it with style like Tony, but I believe Rhodes had a chance to show off how the big guns play and get shit done. Maybe next time.
Yes. I mean honestly they've done so many movies, I could easily imagine them making a movie called War Machine. But I can only imagine it with Terrence Howard, not Don Cheadle.
0:34 that must have been a slap in the face for Terrence Howard and the people who wanted to see him in iron man 2
Imagine the MCU if Terrence Howard and Edward Norton were still there
It would be perfect. Their replacements have done really well with the roles, but I wish they could have stayed.
@@Ethan-Entah the replacements are better in every way
I got bored of Edward Norton, but maybe it was the film, the hulk movie its not really great at all
Bro i see this guy every where
@@thesandkingdom Rayman for Smash!
What stands out to me is how few actors were changed in the MCU. Those movies are running for almost 15 years now, so I would expect more actors to be forced to leave the project in such a long time. I also think that we as viewers are somewhat spoiled by that not recasting characters if the actor left policy. Look at Superman or Batman - they were forced to recast the character and it was fine (except for the movies that weren't, but those were bad because the werebad, not because of the recasting) It is just us viewers who make such a big fuzz about recasting roles and stuff.
eh, the superman and batmans movies don't exist at the same universe. it's normal for the actors to change because the movies are reboots, not sequels.
Lol flash is getting replaced
@@huhjanus Except for _Superman Returns,_ which is meant to be a continuation of the first two Christopher Reeve films. Brandon Routh was specifically cast for his resemblance to Reeve.
@@Okusar so you found a single example that proves a statement about the general recasting of superhero movies
Nobody wants roles recast in a franchise, it breaks the immersion.
I see it for what it was: a business decision. Terrance Howard and the studio couldn't agree on a contract for him to reprise the role in Iron Man 2 so they parted ways, and Don Cheadle was cast as James Rhodes/Iron Patriot/War Machine.
Would love to see a war Machine series
On the next episode of “What If?”
What if Marvel kept Terrence Howard as Rhodey?
Rhodey would've been ten times as cool, that's what.
@@DunmoresMovieMania he has such a boring face like looking at a pug. His facial expressions are sub par.
All I hear is Jamie Foxx doing his Terrence Howard impression
I really liked Terrence Howard. He was cool and funny. But Don Also does a Spectacular Job but still it would have been amazing if Howard was still War Machine.
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Great video
Seriously need to marathon the mcu again... soon
I thought this was the one thing everyone did know why he got fired for.
I had no idea since i don't follow much news like this much less the actors lives do it was some nice info
about half way through the video, but I thought it was over pay increase demand that he got replaced.
I had no idea he was publicly bashing Marvel
He wasn't fired, he rejected the role
@@pats3212 technically true.
The reason you don't really notice how bad Terrence Howard was is that Favreau used the best parts he could get out of him for the way they wanted the role to be played.
We don’t know that tbh unless you have seen those deleted scenes
0:58 Song's name?
It does suck that he was replaced, but it’s also his fault for not wanting to take the reduced pay day.
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In the end Howard IS a great actor, maybe even better than Cheadle BUT he wasn't the best Rhodey. The tone of the MCU isn't his strengths. I think there's something in saying it did kind of kill his career, as a superstar, as a name to bring in an audience but I think he still has a pick of great projects.
I just wrote something similar. I actually like Terrance way better in that role but I understand that what he was going for wasn’t what Fav wanted. I absolutely love the chemistry between Terrance and Rob, abs I think that Don is really boring but that’s exactly what Robert needs for the tone to be right. I’m not a fan of Marvel at all, I enjoyed a few of their films, not a fan of the character central focus but I respect their ability to create the tone necessary for huge success. And Terrance would have ruined it. I can’t see him taking a back seat to any of the other actors in an avengers film for instance.
@@VonJay which is the POINT I think. Howard would *never* have let his character sit in the back. War Machine would have had more relevance, a bigger following, bc he'd ask for more lines, scenes etc
@@VonJay further, T's got an ego to match Robert's. And Marvel fans fawn over that.🤷🏾♀️
@@achieachie911 I absolutely love the exchange between them two. I think marvel fans would love it and he would be a more interesting war machine imo. The suit feels so empty with Cheadle in it.
when your a black man in a whiteMALE DOMINATED industry you got to be careful PERIOD.
white men dont like seeing confident black men it makes them very insecure, hence why they love
blacks who put up with they ish.
what whas that song in the background
Im bad at remembering names so I didn't realize they were ment to be the same character. I just thought "former arms Barron has more than one friend in the military" which actually made a lot more sense.