Which scope is best for you?
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Hey everyone! Thanks for watching, I know this video is a little on the long side. But it’s difficult to get this amount of info out in a short video. Comment down below if you feel I was wrong with something, or if you have any specific questions.
“Did you diag today bro?”
Side note-sorry for the background noise, I had my printers running full steam ahead.
Where to buy:
• Pico scope- www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/picoscopefoam
• ATS- www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/ats-escope-elite
• Autel- www.autelscantools.com
Swag- www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/swag
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Im trying to decide what scope to get, and i fell upon your clip. I was leaning towards the ats. Looking forward to more.
Really enjoyed the video. Thanks for the info. Look forward to the follow ups
Thank you for making this video, I found your video in one of the Facebook groups and you answered some of the questions that I had, I wanna buy an Escope with 8 channels... your video helped me figure out the different between the other scopes,
By the way your video wasn’t boring at all, it’s very informational, keep them coming!!!!
I just subscribed, cheers 🥂
Glad I can help. Any further questions feel free to ask.
Not boring great stuff thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills I enjoy your videos I’m trying to soak up as much as I can keep them coming
Thank you sir!
I am barely getting into in-depth diagnostics, I went with the vantage because of the guided component testing, not only does it tell you were to plug in it also has a known good waveform on there. To me that was a big plus being in a dealership were no one else uses scopes. Also the fact that there was financing so that made it a no brainer. Thanks for the great video!
It’s a powerful 2 channel scope for sure.
I have both the new Pico and the Escope elite 4 channel. I use the escope all the time & i love it..I've don'e some diagnostics with Pico scope but then i always go with the Escope coz it's easier & i have all the accessories like In cylinder pressure transducer, intake transducer & exhaust pulse transducer. Plus it has misfire algorithm which is awesome and the ttl which u can send 5 volts pulses to find shorts or pulse igniters or other components.. Its great scope & i enjoy it every day.
Very informative video on different scopes
For what it's worth, I don't find it dry at all man. I've had an EScope Limited for years and I love it. Hoping to upgrade to one of Elites within the next year or less. Eventually I'll pick up a Pico and an Autel too because much like yourself, I'm a tool nerd.
thank you for the very informative video ,well done
Great share thanks, a professional perspective will never lead you wrong.
Thank you sir!
I bought a used PICO 4423 from AES wave. Pretty much seems to do the same as the newer picos except the max input voltage is 100V, so an attenuator is needed for primary ignition. I used velcro to attach it to my laptop with a 1' long lead. I also got the older uscope which was great to learn with.
I like the Velcro idea for sure!
for me this video was not boring at all i have snap on VERSE 4 CHANNEL and love to buy the Pico 4 channel when time come please more videos enjoyable to watch and appreciate ur time brother cheeeeeeers from Canada.
Thank you sir!
A scope is an essential tool for vehicles these days if you want to call yourself a diagnostician.
I have the Verus Edge and I like it for what it is. I feel she is lacking a little for the price. Next on the list is the Elite 8 kit from ATS with 5 gas and Escan. Those guys at ATS are doing some awesome stuff for the industry as far as hardcore diagnostics go. Can't wait to get it. Probably sometime next year.
Had a coworker who bought one. Scope was shorted out internally and they refused to refund him full price. Not a big fan of overpriced snap-off junk unless its hand tools or specialty. I do like their software but for the price you expect everything to work. Then again work at a dealer and we only use this stuff for used cars at most.
Cant wait for the how to use my scope videos. I have the autel scope and a snap on scope and I just got the aes wave u scope.
Awesome video thank you very much!
Nice video, keep it up -in a year you'll have 10X the views.
That was a great video, I was wondering why we don't see more videos from you there great. I personally can't wait to see your series of scope videos and with all the outstanding tools you make please keep them coming thanks.
Thank you! So more are in the works for sure! Working on getting better audio for you guys!
Excellent video. Great info!!!
Thank you sir! What are somethings you took from this, and what’s something you would like to see in the future?
@@JarheadDiagnostics I have a snap on verus 4 channel scope. I just need more practice on setting up the time and voltage scales because you can't change them to zoom in afterwards like you can with the pico or ats. Do you have any tips for that?
thanks so much, for the new users like me this is wonderful information. i have the snap on vantage legend. and also the uscope. have the snap on dvom guess i need to start using the vantage as a meter as well that way i will have it out and make easier to use and learn. i am leaning toward the e-scan and e-scope combo kit with tablet just having to save up more funds
Use what ever you have available. The Vantage is a very powerful scope in a small package. When you do decide to do the ATS combo, shoot me a message on fb or our website and let me know you watched this video.
Great video thanks Brandon!
Thank you sir!
Thanks for the reviews will be waiting for the snap on video with different testing.like you said its hard to see in depth videos of set up with the scope you have.alot videos out the but none showing how to set up and what to look for. Step by step.
good information!!
No way Jose, You did a great job.👍
Wow nice video I have both, pico and snap on Zeus but some times I feel like I need more trining like what to look for on a pattern, and my main question right now is how to do a battery test on a diesel with a pico
Great video
Great video, I only mis the best automotive scope in the world, the GMTO scope with the software ATIS. With loads of known goods in it! Especially voor European cars!
I’ll have to look in to that scope!
Great video thanks
awesome video, ATS 8 ch for me
How about Hantek scope? Aún thoughts? Great video!!
What i feel is most important is that the pico and ats have independent grounds so essentially 4 scopes in one package synced to the software.
Autel has independent grounds as well. Pico hands down is better though if you are willing to spend the price. I have an autel because it pairs up to my scantool well. Lugging around extra equipment can be annoying. But if you need the resolution of the pico and the autel wont do... that would be my second go to. Software for pico is much better imo too if you are looking to save good waveforms for comparison.
Awesome video. I started out with a uscope from aeswave then went Autel, and a snap on. I’m a dealer tech, we use pico. I currently use the shops pico for any warranty tickets, simply because emailing files is easier. I would like to get an ats 8 channel. But the new pico is pretty slick with the bnc plus.
The ATS and Pico 4425a are both awesome platforms. My dealer experience was a little different though. We had the Kia/Hyundai VMI which was lack luster at best. Glad your dealer has a Pico. Are you with GM or Toyota by chance?
@@JarheadDiagnostics I’m with Toyota. I’m still very green in scoping. CZcams has been the best teacher. From your channel, pat at VDD, Bernie at Ats, and of course SD. Unfortunately there’s really no one else at my dealer that does scoping. So when I run into something question I have no one immediate to turn to.
There are a lot of great Facebook groups, or feel free to shoot me a message on there. And one suggestion, scope everything. So you can become comfortable it.
One reason to get the ATS is you got Mr Bernie Thompson putting out those case studies on CZcams
Thanks for the nice and detailed video. My 4425A is on it's way, and I am looking forward to put it on use. I have also been looking at your website and maybe there are something on there that I might need in the near future.
Cheers and thank you.
You’ll be blown away with that scope! What made you decide on the 4425a and which kit did you get?
@@JarheadDiagnostics
Thanks for the reply.
I was in this trade school for a training last year and learned about the scope thing for the first time. Honestly speaking, before that teacher pull the school pico scope out on that day in class, scan tools are the top "Advanced" tools on my mindset.
And of course, everything especially the way that I look at this trade is changed dramatically after that day.
I bought the pico 4425A standard kit.
You’ll love that kit. My Pico the 4425 was a standard kit, then I added to it as I needed. Then when I switched to the 4425a I got the standard kit as well.
@@eason224 what class did you go to?
Thanks for the awesome video! I'm leaning towards a pico but I'm still considering the Autel Ultra as i do not have a bidirectional scantool. wonder what your thoughts are on that? thanks again! cheers!
I’ve heard good and bad things about the Ultra and the scope. But I personally don’t have any hands on with it to give you a solid yes or no.
PICO and ATS are the only scopes worth considering for automotive use. Maybe the new Autel VCMI that goes with the Ultra tablet as the economical add-on, but the jury is still out on that, and personally I'd rather have my scope as a separate tool so if it goes down I don't lose both my scanner and my scope. Please don't waste your money on anything else. AUTEL has been adopted by more OEMs than any other scope on the market (Mercedes, GM, Chrysler, Kia and so on have all adopted PICO!). That speaks volumes about the quality of a PICO because as you know, OEMs can build their own scope (like Ford did), so for them to adopt someone else's scope means a lot. Bernie Thompson, the Wizard behind ATS has built some of the best automotive diagnostic equipment on the planet, and he has patented it, so no one else has it. The difference between PICO and ATS is like the Ford VS Chevy debate: Each has their advantages and disadvantages, and it boils down to personal preference. Ask: Who provides the best support? PICO and ATS are both awesome! Who has a signature waveform library so you can look up known good patterns? PICO wins that one. PICO's newest scopes now eliminate the need for probe batteries and scale setup. ATS has software written for specific testing that the others don't have. So again, between PICO and ATS it's a matter of personal preference. Whatever you do, DON'T waste your money on a red brick!
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I'm a little late finding this, Thanks for the video. I just wanna note, with proper set up the "pico gap" between buffers can be eliminated. It involves using streaming mode and strategic placement of a trigger.
Very informative run down. The only thing I hate about all these automotive scopes is the price and how low-end of a scope they sell you for the price. The pico 4425 is a 20 Mhz scope, the EScope doesn't even list their bandwidth in the specs but would be a 500 Khz scope with a low resolution of two samples per cycle, 100 Khz is the more appropriate bandwidth if you want good resolution (they list a sample rate of 1 Mega samples/sec). Meanwhile, the "real" oscilloscope companies have had 100 Mhz scopes for decades now and one can get a new one for WAY cheaper than these "automotive" specific scopes.
So, if one doesn't need the automotive specific support, a "real" oscilloscope and standard meads will provide all the necessary diagnostic waveforms?
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Thanks for the video. Quick question. I am getting started with a Pico scope. I am going to buy a laptop. Would you recommend a touch screen? Is it going to be easier than a regular screen? Thanks for your time.
Great information Iam in the market
About the only one I can afford is the Autel scope. I work out of my shop at my home so I don’t see a lot of problems requiring a scope but one could come handy once in a while. Where would you get the better leads for the Autel at?
Thanks
Great video, I want to start using a scope. I'm a diy mechanic.
Man I it’s been a minute since I’ve seen a old school CZcams into with dubstep
drj Westfield Wisconsin what scop can do key change to add or disable or if you lost your keys. Also bidirectional controls
who makes the black tactical bag for your scope accessories?
Thanks for the reply I was wondering is there a way to mount the escope on the back of a tablet like the one you came up with for the Pico that was genius I have my own lab top and would like the convenience of having it mounted on the back
For the escan, I think it would be easy. Either do the same as I have for the Pico. Or make 2 L brackets and use the side screws from the escan to mount them.
4823 Pico scope, aeswave sells it, it is a 8channel automotive scope. There is a video there so you can see it in action
We offer the 4823 as well. But when it comes to automotive, the 4823 leaves a lot on the table.
If the snap on is out of date do you lose the guided component test?
Hi,
I just got a scope couple of days ago. I tried to use it then download software in my laptop and plugged in MP 408.
When i select Auto setup my laptop show Maxiscope and press ok.it’s come up like this “The current software version doesn’t match with the hardware version.please go to Help ->Check for updates to update the hardware version”. But no update available.
I tried to contact Autel but no answer yet. Do you have any ideas?
I have a question, does the escope do what pico does like getting a known good waveform from their library? It’s a neat feature for pico to have those known good waveforms such as cam crank and in cylinder pressure. Thank tou
Plenty of places to get good waveforms.
@@Carlitosway211 any recommend
Is it worth getting a scope with only 2 channels, or is it better to get one with 4+? Can you do the same tests with a 2 channel and overlay your results?
BTW that surface pro mount for the pico is genius.
If you can afford 4 channels I would do the 4 channels. You can do a lot with the 2 channel, but you typically have to jump through hoops when doing different tests.
Whats brand leads would you recommend with a autel maxiscope?
Great video, you mentioned that the leads that come with autel scope are not that good...what would you suggest as the best alternative out there? thanks
Warwick leads are excellent!
www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/warwick-test-supplies-bnc-to-banana-scope-leads
Thanks for the video. I am just learning about scopes. Will you please explain the purpose of channels and why a person would need 8 instead of 2?
Hello sir! Honestly for a lot of things you only need 2 channels. But when you start getting in to more in-depth stuff, more channels would make your life much easier. Say you want to check timing, depending on the vehicle you would want more than 2 channels.
@@JarheadDiagnostics Thank you for the speedy reply. I think seeing your upcoming diagnostic videos will definitely help with my understanding. Since I'm currently researching to buy one is there any situation where a 4 channel wouldn't have enough channels to diagnose the problem?
For the most part 4 channels will have you covered. Some instances more is needed, but that it just to make your life easier. Mainly doing cam timing checks on dohc v style engines.
Got a fortune in oscilloscopes. Them snap on tools are expensive. I’m wanting to use the autel scope with my ibm laptop
The Autel is an excellent scope for the price for sure!
I’ll buy one of the snap on ones from you when you need more room lol
What scope would I need to just verify my work?
Have you had a chance to play with the new maxsys Ultra from Autel yet I would like you're opinion on how you think it's works and comparison to some of the others units. I know that it might not be as good as a pico.
I haven’t had a chance to put my hands on one yet. But I wouldn’t mind trying it out for sure!
You said in your CZcams video about New leads where would you recommend getting good leads from
I like your channel
7:50 where does one find a set of those leads?
So I I'm kinda new but not totally to using scopes. I have a snap-on 2 channel. I got a 2 channel fluke 98 for the relative compression test that displays it in a bar graph and the first scope that I got was a micsig 2 channel. But as time goes on and I get better with it I find myself wanting a 4 channel. But don't want to spend a crap ton of money. So I seam to be interested in the new micsig 4 channel. That is apx 650$. Or the aultel and I also have a aultel scanner. That I can get for about 425$. Do you have a recommendation are you familiar with the micsig?
Go for the micsig SATO1004!!!
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I have the Autel scope, but haven't used it much yet. Can the Autel software put in the 720° and put in the dividers to see each cylinder TDC?
I don’t believe they do!
You like keeping your money local...? What camera and phone are you using?
You selling that 3d printed enclosure
One tool is missing from your collection , the itester carscope 🤓
Do you know if the Maximus ultra’s scope is compatible with your vdd parasitic draw tester
I haven’t messed with the new scope yet. But to use that you need to build a math channel. So if they new Autel let’s you do that, then yes you can.
Great to know
What would you recommend for a laptop to use for the ats or pico?
Thanks
The Surface pro 7 is an excellent one. I use it for both of mine.
@@JarheadDiagnostics thank you
Does the autel pico and ats all do 12 and 24 volt systems
I work on vehicles to big trucks ro construction equipment
Hmm. Maybe the Snap on with built in wiring info is OK. By the time you subscribe to an Alldata or something plus the fact you gotta swap out and troll through to find what you want then go back and continue what you were doing? Gotta save you hours a month surely?
I have an old OTC SOLARITY scope. It came with great leads but they use a separate ground cable. Can these cables be adapted for Pico use? Oh I retired 13 years ago.
For the Pico 4425(a) it has a floating ground. So it would need a bnc to banana lead set with grounds on each channel.
Thanks for the info.@@JarheadDiagnostics
It a battle between escope and picoscope , still can't decide which one to buy
It’s a tough choice for sure! I use them both daily.
Where can I find one of those bags you showed in your video
They’re a Direct Action Messenger Bag. You can order them from Amazon.
www.amazon.com/dp/B07DF2P8QL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_mpU.FbRVTNG5P
On the ATS can I use any pressure transducer and convert it to a pressure measurement easily? Or can I only do that with their transducers?
Hello sir, I don’t have a great response for that. I have some cheaper transducers I could see if they work or not. What brand transducer are you wanting to use?
@@JarheadDiagnostics I have a few by AEM from my track car I’ve been using. I actually really like the ATS ones. I’ve been using them on my snap on and just doing the math. Im torn between the ATS and Pico.
If you get a 500psi it will calibrate with your Snap-On scope. And between the two scopes, that’s a very difficult decision.
As a diy myself what do you think the best scope for me. Thanks for you honest answer.
For a diy I would look in to the Autel scope of the Micsig scope.
what kind leads you recomed me buy for vatege 2 channel cause there kits but all come for 4 channel leads Thanks
We offer a 2 channel lead kit for your scope. They’re 3m or 10’.
www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/warwick-test-supplies-snapn-on-scope-leads
What leads are you recommending what brand where to buy??
We offer the Warwick leads and really like them.
www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/warwick-test-supplies-snapn-on-scope-leads
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Thank you!
So Escope or Picoscope? If you had to choose one for the rest of your career which one would you choose
That’s a very hard decision to make for sure!
@@JarheadDiagnostics its one im trying to make lol
@@albertsautodiagnosticsllc2130 me to g don't know which one to buy there expensive
Pico Scope best ever
Can you please enable subtitles please? Thanks
I will shortly.
I have the Zeus I think for the price it should do more
I have the autel scope. I haven’t been able to use it for a relative compression test without a current amp clamp. When I try this test I get so much noise on my graph. Any known reason for this.
N.b- I never used the current amp clamp for the test
The factory leads on the Autel scope are known for a ton of noise. I would recommend starting with that. Also if a start is going out it can cause it to look noisy as well. But 100% get some new leads. We carry the Warwick leads and they work amazing.
www.jarheaddiag.com/shop/p/warwick-test-supplies-bnc-to-banana-scope-leads
do you make your own leads or buy them from AES wave
We make many in house, we also stock warwick test supplies, pico, and ats.
@@JarheadDiagnostics are the aes wave leads good for autel scope ; and how much is your leads
What would you need 8 channels for ?
From viewing 8 injectors/coils to cam/crank correlation on a quad cam engine.
One day I’ll have a n ATS 8 channel
Shoot me a message and we can try to work something out sir!
@@JarheadDiagnosticsI've seen you're web site when I look up e-scope , what's the hands on training package
@@JarheadDiagnostics I'm in canada if you can somehow hook me up with financing or point me where to (they won't finance outside the US) Ill get the 8 channel escope elite 8 full kit. I ain't doing this through credit card lol.
Modis still making me money.
Bro you're missing MT PRO 4.1
Pico has a 8 scope
That is correct sir. But the 8 channel Pico isn’t AS vehicle friendly as the 4425a.
Who needs a scope? I use my stethoscopes to hear what is wrong with the car
I was told your mom likes my stethoscope.
@@JarheadDiagnostics 🤣🤣🤣
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