The KUSA KS-12(T) AK Shotgun: Low Brass Range Review & Comparison With Izhmash Saiga-12
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2020
- This weekend, lets take the Kalashnikov-USA KS-12T shotgun out to the range and try it out with several ammo types, including low brass value pack loads. Then talk about its features and compare it with the original Russian Saiga 12 from Izhmash (today Kalashnikov Concern).
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I was lucky enough to get my hands on a real Izmash Saiga 12.
I wish Kalashnikov USA had made a copy of the Molot Vepr shotgun. Way cooler and better built
Thank you for your review sir!
Misha you do a great job man. Really like your reviews sir. No BS just the facts. Thinking about picking up one these shotguns...
Excellent and informative presentation. I have both a 12 ga and a 410 ga Russian manufactured shotguns. They have never malfunctioned , ever. They are easy on the shoulder. Back when I bought them, they were very Inexpensive. Now I really want one the versions that you reviewed.
Get the autogas regulator plug and it will solve undergassed cycling problems and reduce the negative effects of overgassed shells. No more switching between high and low. Also, the hold open is the little notch on the safety lever. 😎
which ones do you recommend?
Hey mishaco, the safety lever on the KUSA has a bolt hold open notch on it to hold the charging handle. Once ran a little it should start cycling 2.75" 1200 fps @ 1 1/8 oz loads without issue (cheap Wal-Mart ammo). And check the owners manual also, if shooting slugs it will gum up the gas block fast
@drealmerz7 z Only way to know is just try it out with your shotgun and your ammo. Also, best to use Izhmash factory mags IMO.
@drealmerz7 z 1oz at a higher FPS shouldn't be an issue. Ex 1oz @ 1280 fps
@@misha5670 Agreed with misha. But if it is the full length barrel model and doesn't cycle 1280 fps @1 oz or 1200 fps @1 1/8 oz hit them up. They will take care of you. Also keep in mind keeping that weapon dug firm into your shoulder with a firm foundation. Limp shooting induces FTE.
I replaced the adjustable gas block with one with more settings and now it fires all ammo flawlessly cost $20.
I love how the kalishnikov USA looks. Aggressive . Both amazing
Just the man that I needed to hear from on this baby. I am leaning toward an original (you know why) but if this is close enough, it would save a lot of aggravation.
"...because a select fire 12ga shotgun is rather useless, especially with an eight round capacity..."
And yet if you had armed all the police and military with full auto only Saiga 12's, and they stormed the Moscow theatre with them; probably still far fewer casualties than factually resulted from the rescue...
Great vid, still have my Saiga 12 I converted myself as a teenager back when that and zombie apocalypse stuff were fads. Mine actually runs light, cheap low brass rather well. Not sure if that's due to more, or less, vodka the day it was made.
Haha , i rememeber the zombie craze, Zombie ammo zombie everything around 2011 2012 , i think i was in my 20s then but , Still a very strange and funny time! Haha i do miss those prices for sure! God bless! Im jelly of your saiga XD very cool! And converted yourself even better!
Was the Moscow theatre incident the one where Russian swat/hrt pumped a gas into the HVAC vents that was meant to put everyone inside to sleep but instead it just killed the perps and the hostages?
This thing packs a punch
I've had my Saiga 12 since 2007 did the pistol grip conversion on it . I've had 0 issues with it it eats everything on gas setting 1.
Pretty relevant to me, I've been thinking about mag-fed shotguns for awhile. Not that I'll actually fork out money for one anytime soon.
I own one, and for what it's worth. You'll have a great plinking fun gun that you just won't have enough Of.
It's highly addictive and fun.
The lynx 12 is a very close copy as well. Made in a type 56 factory from my understanding. Has a chrome lined barrel. Comes with threaded barrel and pistol grip. I thought good price as well.
Lynx 12 also has four gas positions.
Have you tried the auto gas plug that screws on the threaded portion in place of the adjustable gas plug? I have it on my S12 which was a converted imported sporterized Saiga 12.
Mishaco thanks for the vid on that Arsenal Sam5
Um thanks for the blue meth....I guess?
@@misha5670 you must be talking about my bluing meth-ods I use for AK's
While I have absolutely no use for such a thing, I am delighted that it exists.
.I watched a video on something that I hold zero interest in.
Great work!
Welcome to how most professional youtube gun reviewers feel. That's why Jay and I are happy to remain small, so we can still review things we actually want to do.
@@misha5670 I concur wholeheartedly.
Drill out your gas ports. Change your gas puck and a css gas port adjustment
Thankfully the only real “secret” to cycling low brass is knocking the gas block off and unshrouding the ports. My four port gun was a single and two half ports lol. Honestly though quick fix and not too terribly technical. Also assuming you’re using Russian factory mags. Also forgot the most import part-thank you guys for another awesome video!
Yep, factory mags really help with both the Saiga and VEPR 12 shotguns. I'd say the only 'meh' part of the KS12 was the US made mag it came with.
@@1888CHAD8881 sorry I just saw your question. I found one video a long time ago I can’t seem to locate now. Long story short there is a single small pin on the gas block you knock out, I then used a brass punch to tap the block off the barrel. Once off you’ll see a single large hole that the gas from the barrel ports blows through. I had to open mine up a little more towards the barrel end with a dremel and hand file. I hope this isn’t too confusing it’s really simple once you attempt it.
Wonder if you ever figured out what the notch on the safety lever on the KUSA is meant for? Locks the bolt open just as well as the crappy bolt hold open on the S-12. Also try the TAC-47 gas plug for true ammo capability for S-12 pattern shotguns.
BTW own a Krebs S-12 and a self converted S-12 and both proudly wear the TAC-47 plugs for the ability to fire most any 12 gauge ammo. Try it, you will like it.
Will the KS-12 mags work in my Saiga 12???
kinda a bummer you guys had so many failure's to ejects and stuff with your ks-12. i have put about 700 rounds through mine of cheap 20$ walmart federal and winchester bulk pack ammo and dont think i have had it jam on me once. all i did was spray some lube in the action and turn the gas setting to low. i was going to polish the internals to make it more reliable like i did with my saigas to get them to fire reliably 100% of the time but i found i did not need too. it worked great straight out of the box, unlike the saiga 12s i had to convert and remove the gas block and re do the gas ports and all kinds of stuff to make them a decent reliable gun. it will probably become more reliable over time as you break in the action and it smooths and polishes itself out naturally.
How many law enforcement saiga 12's were brought in do you know
Thanks for the videos Misha. I have the same gun minus the folding stock (KS-12T) and just got a UTG Combat D Grip in that flips down into a bipod for it. Thought I'd throw this out there for anyone considering it. With a ProMag 15 round drum and the bipod deployed with the gun resting on the bipod and stock, the drum clears the ground just enough to slide my fingers under it. So it fits and deploys well. Probably wouldn't work so well with a 20 round drum unless you get a dedicated bipod that was taller. But with a 15 round drum, it's a sick setup for cheap that gives you a foregrip and bipod in one and works with the drums. For those wondering on drums. The 10 and 12 round are the same physical size with ProMag, the 15 round seems to fit the gun the best, mine snapped right in securely straight out of the box, and the 20 round would make it cumbersome. I am happy with the 15's also because they aren't clear plastic. Also, the company I got mine from is now listing the D-grip as discontinued. That may mean get one while you still can. They are still around between $40 and $50 bucks as of now. Worth it for what you get.
I guess I got dud, I wanted to love this thing like a saiga 12. I can't get it to feed low brass for anything
Hey guys, what are your opinions on the new fake bakelite mags from RWB? They have a steel locking lug and front tab but no feed lips.
Sorry, haven't messed with any yet.
@@misha5670 I was just wondering if they were a good option for fun and looks while I do the impossible and try to grab an actual Bakelite for under 100 dollars
Don't really go for grips with any kind of finger grooves, but that grip looks like a godsend for big hands.
@drealmerz7 z What brand is it?
I dont think its the ammo , looking at the video , the rounds are catching on that little dust cover on the recoil spring
just got a ks12tsfs it would not fire 1200 fps 2 3/4 1 1/8 oz and eject the shells properly no issues with 1450 fps shells tho
More "jams" in this video , then a 90's mixtape lol..
I was thinking about picking up one of AK variant styled shotguns, an had checked out the Kalashnikov USA K12. But it just felt extremely cheap with all the plastic furniture, pretty sure even the outside of the barrel was plastic lined. An allot of guns and rifles have poly parts and furniture, so that wasn't necessarily the issue in itself. It's just certain plastic feels cheaper and/or more sturdy then others, an the new one I checked out at the shop had like some plastic part of it seemingly "falling off" already. The grip felt terrible, I know it's all shit that can easily be swapped. But for around 1,000$'s I just wasn't feeling it at all.
Happier with a classic pump action, Mossberg 590. Throw on the Hogue pistol grip, hands down.
My saiga will NOT use anything below 1330ish fps and even then its dribbling out. Maybe ive not broke it in enough, but anything high brass will run fine, even 1350 bird if i put it on setting 2.
any way to somehow add a bolt hold open on the KS-12?
Probbaly not a last round mag induced one but I see no reason you couldn't put a manualy actavated one like the Lynx 12 has. Just need to do a little cutting.
Sadly you can't use a ALG trigger and a Lynx style bolt hold open as their isn't enough room.
They would be great with either left hand charging/galil style extension, and a krebs ambi safety.
I need a Komrad in my Life...
AK style shotguns are just fun. Maybe not always the most practical, but enjoyable and great for what they are.
👍
Just to inform the free world! Bullet buttons on vepr 12 block the bolt hold open feature.
I'm sorry I quite didn't get this
@@shahrozekhurram9836 I forgot myself. So ya know the Bullet button does get in the way.
The alternative in California are
1 be a fellom..... By letting it stay stock
2 block off the gas system and make it a bolt action single shot rifle.
3rd option register it with CA DOJ as an assault weapon. ( must have a Bullet)
Haveing a gun charge on your record is not worth the street credit.
Lynx 12 isn’t bad either
cherrys tak-47 comrade and kral xp-12 are also very close saiga 12 copys / clones floating around out there.
Im very interested in KUSA , RWC , i know they are "not apart or or associated with" Kalashnikov concern but from what ive researched, Seems like they probly got all the data/know how and materials to make exact clones of the RU guns, I mean i could be wrong, but seems like that to me! k concern , was going to import through KUSA then the ban came and KUSA said NYET RIFLES will be made HERE! Haha , Much love and respect man love your channel and what you do! Invaluable info as well as always entertaining! This upcoming year, depending on election results i suppose i plan on grabbing a KUSA shotgun as well as the KR103, Looks and seems promising as well as , Gives time to see how theyr doing by the time i can afford some! Im going to be getting my FFL this year and im going to be a gun dealer! I also live in AR , But , you inspired and gave me the Idea , To finally go for it ! Of course im just gonna do small things here and there but im excited to get into the industry! Haha beautiful shotguns! Thanks for sharing! God bless!
I would love to have one for fun but the issues look too aggravating
Who cares for the looks...
Once you get it you'll be hooked.
my KS-12T has a "1" and "2" instead of "L" and "H" : |
Ja haysus that is some ten round mag..
I like your beard
It's funny, the saiga had more problems than the KUSA did.
The Saiga12 was built for defensive shells pretty much exclusively. KUSA says they tweeked the KS12 to run better with light & low brass shells, and after shooting both back to back for a weekend, I believe KUSA's claim.
@@misha5670 The vepr is king though to all AK shotguns.
@@BoogalooBoy oh yes 👍
@@BoogalooBoy And we've covered the VEPR12 many, many times. I will say the S12's lighter weight can be nice and i do find its folding stock more comfortable. But aside from those things, yes the V12 is roundly better.
@@misha5670 Yup.
Hi Misha here 🤣😂😅 dude 💀
But can it store fruit roll-ups?
Yep, sure can in the pistol grip!
You can cram fruit leather in alot of unlikely places if you try.
Bloop😉
Unfortunately not ready for prime time!!!!