@@TheNewton I wasent talking anything about the riots I was talking about how people lose friends over politically disagreeing, and like how an old black man was just shot and killed because he had different political views
Unions generally protect workers from exploitation. Problem with police unions is they’re not just regular employees and their unions fight for less oversight.
@@dagothhyde7297 Not anymore. Unions have become obsolete. My biggest problem with unions is that they take ownership of the worker's labor away from them. No one should be forced to pay into a union for employment.
But, doctors don't usually lose their license when they mess up, and they don't go to prison. They do get sued, but insurance companies got the laws re-written in the late 90's to make it very hard to get much money from suing a doctor.
Im an ER doc. If i were to make a serious mistake, you can bet your bottom dollar im not getting hired again in an ER, thats before i get sued and my license revoked.
Doctors errors kill 250 000 people a year In the US alone.... quarter of a million. That’s a lot!!! Cops are constantly disciplined for bad things... media doesn’t ever tell this.
@@The_Grumpy_Guy yeah if they legit murder somebody don't do anything just make sure other people aren't resting arrest. You must be trolling because that legitimately doesn't make sense in reply to OP
C Box your not any better 😂 “every cop is racist violent racist and more violent scum and every suspect couldn’t hurt a thing and was just oppressed” dumbass
@@dawilliam59 It's been proven that when a good cop turns in a bad corrupt cop, the entire force rallies behind the bad cop and the good cop is the pariah that the whole force turns their back on. This thin blue line bullshit is the problem. The community that the police police are not the enemy, it's the idea that cops are in a war against crime and everyone who isn't a cop is a enemy combatant. This is the problem with policing in America today. When cops are afraid to turn other cops in for their bad or criminal actions because they will be retaliated against and possibly lose their jobs or lives, who would do the right thing when those are the consequences?
@@blahblah8037 never said you shouldnt, in fact what i was saying was that people will do whatever they want to do despite the state prohibiting it so its stupid to go against it, ofcourse when it comes down to prostitution and drugs not anything else
@Jim Jones "I believe that when police commit crimes they should be punished, the same as everyone else" This. The whole foundation for the justice system in the west is that justice is blind - it doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, black, white, citizen, police etc, EVERYONE are equal in the eyes of the law. And the fact that cops frequently get away with this shit, despite there being very vlear evidence, suggest that there is just something wrong with the system. That being said though, you only need to read 2 pages of world history to realize that defunding the police is a very, VERY bad idea
@Jim Jones That part. I believe the police should be paid more but held to a higher standard. If it’s a clear as a day where a cop killed or committed a crime then the punishment should be raised to 150%. Instead 10 years in prison make it 15.
Fred Neck could I have done better then murdering unarmed people , I’m sure I could. We aren’t talking about the good cops here , we are talking about the bad ones. Pretty simple concept.
@Fred Neck So ? Ok it's hard to make good decisions, but if you fuck up to the point of shooting someone who shouldn't have been shot then it doesn't matter. You kill someone, you go to jail. Simple as that.
it's about people having accountability for their actions. Cops seem to get off extremely lightly when someone is murdered.. "i thought he was reaching for a gun so I shot him" routine is getting stale. The idea that after a board hearing at the precint they would be given a paid leave is laughable while the victims family will never get to see their family member again due to a cop's inept ability to properly read the situation, and a lack of psycho-awareness of constantly thinking the perp is going to shoot them.
Nobody wants to tackle the root of why the standards have gotten lower for decades. Combined with low pay and loss of all respect for cops I dont know why people are surprised at quality of law enforcement in this country.
Hardly a surprise when large parts of the population seem to see all cops as scum of the earth. It's not a very appealing career when you're putting your life on the line, receiving fairly poor pay, and get very little respect from your community.
I typically watch videos at 2x speed to save time on my lunch breaks, but listening to Ben Shapiro on 2x is like holding a microphone to a hummingbirds wings.
I have been around cops most of my life growing up in So. California. I never met a cop who worked the prominently poor black sections of Los Angeles, like Watts who didn't say the same things about going into places like Watts. The generally concensive among cops was, no matter why you went into Watts to help someone, because of the robbery, home invasion, drug dealing, rape or murder, the young black men and women treated them like they were dirt. The people who lived in this area wouldn't do anything to help the cops find who was guilty of the crime. It was like the residences would rather let a local, get away even with murder than help the cops who were there trying to help. I would imagine that some of these cops began to hate trying to help the black residences of places like Watts.
Don’t you just love it when people paint cops with these broad strokes of these savior complexes and don’t actually portray the full story of police unions or militarization. The 1994 crime bill propelled the war on drugs, disproportionately putting cops in black and brown neighborhoods, which also involved laws to be put in place like stop and frisk that criminalized black and brown communities 3x more for drugs even though whites and blacks use these same drugs at the same rate. The 1994 crime bill along with the 1033 crime bill is what radicalized police training to militarization where cops train in military tactics making them more violent and focusing on 110 hours of fire arms and defense vs only 8 hours of de-escalation and mediation. Police brutality settlements continue to rise with currently the top 10 police departments paying out 240 million dollars in police brutality settlements every year with tax payer dollars. Which prevents cops from facing legal consequences when the pay away brutality away and along with currupt laws like qualified immunity less than 5% of cops who ingage in currupt or abusive behavior ever face legal consequences. And even before militarization there were a cases like the Central Park 5 in the 70’s that went under raps for decades of cops abusing their power and pinning cases on minorities. Los angelos is the 2nd highest city who pays the most in police brutality settlements to cover up crime and New York is number 1. Maybe just maybe there’s so much distrust because plethora of cops have abused their power in minorities and they rarely face consequences because things like blue wall of shield and settlements. Maybe just maybe these cops have been in these unions for decades, not facing consequences but and abusing their civilians. Like joe and Ben said if you have 100 good cops and 30 bad cops but the 100 good cops don’t do anything about the 30 bad cops you have 130 bad cops.
You got it backwards. The resentment started with the black community towards cops. Cops for decades and decades abused and mistreated black people Pre -Civil rights. Even tho things are better now and cops aren’t inherently and blatantly racist, these cops are today are suffering from the transgressions of their predecessors. Do the some research on how ruthless the LAPD was in the 70’s and 80’s. This disdain from both sides didn’t start with black people, it started with the police. And that hate and distrust the police get is very well earned. It’s up to Police to gain the respect and trust back, not black people.
Also, within these poor communities are a code of honor or a code of silence. Many people don't want to come forward with information in fear of retaliation.
You can't end the war on drugs. I knew something was off with the government when George Bush Sr. pushed dope into the poor neighborhoods. There's no such thing as "left" or "right"...agenda stays the same.
If you don’t tell on your friend if you know he committed a felony then you’re an accomplice. If the police don’t tell on “bad apples “, well I mean...let’s just get off that topic.
more than 90% of all internal affairs excessive force complaints are filed by police officers against other police officers. Your narrative does not conform with reality or the data.
Alex Magnus thank you! So many people seem to ignore this fact. The reality is that the police unions protect those cops that are being investigated by IA. Also, the ones that report the bad cops often end up being retaliated against by the unions
I had a lady cop in my hometown give me a parking ticket when I was legally allowed to park there until midnight, it was 10pm when she wrote the ticket. I went down stairs right away once I seen her put it on my car and when I said I'm legally parked here for 2 more hours, she said "I dont give a damn, take it up in court" I took a picture of the sign, went to court and she didnt show up. And people wonder why cops aren't trusted
Last year while riding my bike to work at night I get pulled over by 2 cops who noticed that I didn't have lights on my bike. So, I'm given 2 tickets not 1, for no lights/reflectors & 1 for no audible signal. Mind you, my bike did have reflectors, that shit didn't matter to them. And no audible signal ?? Guess I needed a horn. Bullshit. Ok, lights on a bike at night, I get it, but to write me a ticket, really ? I was out of the house 3 minutes ! Traveled 5 blocks ! And in truth, MY MOUTH IS MY AUDIBLE SIGNAL ALL DAY LONG ! 3 Months later in Zoom court, a prosecutor tosses out both tickets, judge accepts. It ain't all bad, but that crap was not necessary to begin with. Guess there's not enough crime in this city until you don't have lights & a horn at night. The country we live in.
Or abolish qualified immunity and the police unions. If a nurse give a person the wrong medicine and killed them, that nurse will go the Medical Board get their license stripped from them. Same with a surgeon/ doctor who mess up a procedure kill somebody on the table. How about we hold law enforcement to the same level that we hold medical professionals.
Is that a fair comparison? Nurses and surgeons deal with sick people. Cops deal with suspects and criminals. Nurses don't risk their own lives, cops do. Now I'm not saying cops shouldn't be held responsible. Just comparing those two groups seems odd to me.
Qualified immunity only applies to civil lawsuits, it has absolutely nothing to do with criminal justice. also, the courts have consistently ruled that when police violate somebody's rights they surrender their qualified immunity. You seem like you don't really know what qualified immunity is.
You're not taking into account that all doctors are required to maintain liability insurance in order to practice. They pay a large amount of money out-of-pocket for multimillion dollar policies to protect their licenses. It's fairly hard for a doctor to lose their license to practice.
You really must not know about how "Accountable" Healthcare killers are held. There's a reason they rack up the most numbers out of all serial killer demographics. As you may have a lone wolf serial killer and it's crazy for him to rack up double digit victims... Like them getting 20 is horrifying. Whereas it's not even unusual for Healthcare Killers to be knocking on triple digits, or even higher. One doctor had 292. That they know of. Oddly, they're usually women, though. Basically, once there's actual evidence of their wrongdoing, they're fired, as bringing in the police solicits the probability of class action lawsuits... Did John's uncle Larry really die of cardiac arrest in his sleep, or was there foul play? So all of said killer's patient files went get blown open and if they'd been there for at least a year... That's a major problem. Then, they move to a different city and apply to another hospital/clinic/etc, where they can rinse and repeat again and again, as law prohibits someone checking up on a work history for a potential candidate, from asking why they were fired, they can only ask questions verifying that what was on the resume is in fact factual and accurate. If they bother calling in the first place. Which is kind of ironic, given that should a nurse or someone screw the pooch, that one time, then yes, they're put before a board and such. My point is that the "accountability" you claim to want is why Healthcare killers slip through at such a rate to produce triple digit victims. That's probably not the accountability you're looking for with police.
You know, Nazis had the same fear. And worse than just losing their job. If you are just following orders then you followed abhorrent orders non the less. The police are asked to do too much by our politicians. They are not rehab specialist. They are not therapists. They should not be allowed to disrespect the public.
@@callanc3925 biggest things over the last few years were decisions to ban accessories like bump stocks, a verbal statement on being interested in banning suppressors, as well as the big doozy of if he did ban guns, he would confiscate/arrest people first then have due process second instead of the other way around.
Long stoner rant forgive me: I’ve got a friend who is a cop and I know he is a good guy with a good heart, so I know there are cops out there that really want to help people and keep them safe, however he’s told me if you speak out against another officer or a superior for questionable behavior you run the risk of being punished or demoted to a lesser role. We need to protect the good cops and weed out the guys who are just on a power trip. Also, it should be illegal for an officer to turn off his body cam or tamper with it to obfuscate evidence. The black bagging in Portland should make us all very uncomfortable regardless of where you stand politically. As a lefty I wouldn’t stand for right wingers being kidnapped who were peacefully protesting and exercising their constitutional rights. And if you believe the people being grabbed are actual criminals I would point to the 700+ videos of police attacking non violent protesters all aggregated into a twitter thread that you won’t see on any main stream news network. Over 20% of Americans are unemployed and 32% can’t afford their house payments/rent and yet the corporations are suddenly big fans of socialism and get bailed out by the government with money seemingly pulled out of thin air. But when it comes time to help working folks the politicians want to talk about the deficit all of a sudden. Even though trump is trying to cut taxes for the rich yet again. The media will try to divide us to ensure we are politically impotent, we need solidarity across the working class in the country and we need to demand change from our politicians or kick their ass out of office. It’s time to end for-profit policing and prisons in this country.
I get all that but, the people being "kidnapped" as you put it, are not just "peaceful protesters. These are people who have committed arson, theft, violence, and vandalism. If the mayors of these cities are not willing to have the police remove these people from the protests, do you just keep letting them destroy peoples businesses, drive people away from downtown areas, and generally disrupt the lives of people just trying to work and go about their daily activities?
JED that may be true in some cases. And I don’t personally support violence or looting but not all of those being picked up are guilty of that. Unless you have a reputable source that says otherwise
This is the way a discussion should actually be. Two people, that don't agree on everything, but can speak civilly to each other and find common ground. How hard is that? Seriously.
The problem is that most people have an ego problem. And when you disagree with them, their ego takes a hit and they go into a rage. "They don't agree with ME?" And then it spirals. Joe and Ben are awesome, two people who have their beliefs but know that every person is different and they accept that. They are secure in their knowledge and their opinion enough not to be offended by someone disagreeing.
That's what it should be but it hasn't become that. It's basically given a free pass to police officers who are doing things within their job that don't fall in the parameters of the scope of what they're legitimately allowed to do in their job and not be sued for it.
Fellow Kentuckian here - I totally agree with you. I also worked in the school system for a while and it really is a mindset that perforates regardless of us being more western KY. I think we have a cultural problem. Yes there are exceptions who have their head on straight and a good mindset for their future, but the majority break my heart.
I trust a cop who studies martial arts more than someone who doesn’t because they are far more confident to take care of a situation without feeling the need to pull out the gun. These lazy cops don’t want to diffuse the situation at all and would rather take it to the extreme with a gun.
These cops are dangerous exactly someone said they should show up and de-escalate I remember my uncles got in a fight when I was young and I asked my mom why not call the cops she said to me because they don’t need to get involved with a family issue they make things worse and I saw for myself cops just go crazy for no reason instead of trying to figure something out lazy cops
Armando Rios are you saying the cops who are trained in martial arts are dangerous because that is inaccurate for the most part the cops who are skilled in martial arts are much calmer and less likely to go to there tool belt and more likely to deescalate and handle the situating without a gun or taser
@@Josh-ck9bv I think police need to be more dangerous not in fire arms but I think a officer should have a hand gun 12 gauge and rifle but they need to be trained in martial arts it just makes sense
The first change they need to make is in upper management. When you have higher ups telling their officers if you see a fellow officer do something “bad” don’t say anything no wonder so many of these “good” cops don’t say anything. Any time a stand up cop comes out against an officer in his department their fired immediately.
I’ve never personally seen or heard of this going on and happening though my twenty plus year’s of being in and around dozens of law enforcement agencies.
N Odak here’s a link to a story of a cop getting fired for stopping a choke hold www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/black-buffalo-cop-stopped-another-officers-chokehold-she-was-fired other officers have been fired who support BLM or have stopped other officers from committing violence
And there are bad pilots who shouldn't be pilots, and bad doctors who shouldn't be doctors and bad teachers who shouldn't be teaching... But you don't shut the whole industry down.
@@mikeandrews745 not true. Took 2 years to get a pedo teacher removed from my school because of the union. And another was hooked on drugs and overdosed and died. Unions are bad all the way around.
It is good but let's get real. BLM looks like a far left power play to me .They are not interested in reforming the police.Many of them are out to destroy everything.Racial justice is a tool here not an aim.It is depressing but we need to face it.There are some very difficult choices ahead.
@@theJaRRoOnE22 you would think so but look at the impact so far. People are running scared and it's endorsed by corporations and sports bodies as though it's some sort of harmless charity.It isn't.
5:08 When Breonna Taylor's murderers wrote their report, she was listed as having no injuries. They shot her MULTIPLE times. When he brings up numbers or stats I wish hed cite his sources because to dismiss something based of stats that can easily be twisted out of context is damaging.
The “data” does not need to be mountainous when the statistics represent violent incidents. Oppression does not need to be widespread. That’s what the phrase “making an example” infers. My father only had to spank me a handful of times for it to be effective.
@Harry Paul Im not sure this is exactly what hes saying but its my interpretation. If you see people who look like you routinely being profiled and (in some cases killed for no real reason) by the people who are in power over you, its going to make you change your behaviour. Whether that change is to avoid police or just not trust them at all. It doesnt need to be happening everyday, just enough for you to notice that it is happening. Just like his dad spanking him, it only needs to be occassional to seriously alter the way youre thinking
@John Katz it's unfortunate that as a lawyer Ben doesn't know this and didn't point it out, but federal courts have been consistently whittling away at when and where qualified immunity applies for the last 2 years. In my opinion it needs to be whittled away even further, but there has been significance progress. if you want to learn about it I strongly recommend a CZcams channel called "Uncivil law", he is a lawyer who reads Court decisions and analyzes them, he has a bunch of videos on qualified immunity and he is very critical of qualified immunity in general
@@thetavibes9021 no, I never said anything remotely close to that. Re-read my comment, then try again. I was making the point that as a lawyer Ben Shapiro should have pointed out that there has been significant progress on the issues around qualified immunity, but he did not do that. he also did not point out that qualified immunity only applies to civil cases, not criminal cases, nor did he point out that police surrender any claim to qualified immunity when they violate somebody's constitutional rights. I was advocating for a more informative and nuanced discussion.
@@micfail2 "It's unfortunate that as a lawyer Ben doesn't know this and didn't point it out." My simple question to what I thought was a separate statement would of sufficed with a simple "No."
drschplatt I don’t think that’s true cuz I’ve seen BLM focus on police brutality by trying to push for policies like banning chokehold + stop and frisk
Don't you just love discussions and debates without labeling your opponent as racist or other derogatory terms? I wish we would uphold these strategies more on social media.
I always find conversations between these two to be incredibly informative, they need to have more, I learn more with them than any other of his guests aside from Jordan Peterson and a handful of other people, I think it's because the conversation is just so healthy, even when they disagree they do it in an incredibly constructive way.
@@seanmcmeown1992 A few acted nice because of the cameras I'm sure. Lol. But, the ones who were dicks even with the cameras around? Man, they must've been really assholes without cameras around
To everyone who thinks left vs right is the main problem in this country, I recommend watching a Yuri Bezmenov video. An ex KGB agent from the 80’s basically summed up everything you see now
I agree but I think justice Democrats or what some people call Democratic socialist, will actually try to work for the people and not bend us working people over the table and fucking us in the ass, among other things like health care, the very problem the video is addressing.
@The Shitstorm Starter because he doesn't want to attract any extra attention to himself...... he knows that media are not interested in facts, but only in scandal, so they will do anything to shit all over his name just to sell more...... plus, we live in a culture where society doesn't care about due process anymore....... all those crazy SJWs and feminists would start screaming "believe women" even without any evidence, cause that's the shitshow we live in these days...... I'm sure chris is not interested in any of that shit
@The Shitstorm Starter Louis CK admitted what he did, so he's in a bit harder situation...... but with Chris Delia, there is no evidence of his crime, so he is waiting until the "SJW mob" turns on someone else...... after the smoke clears, I'm sure he WILL address the rumors somewhere publicly......
“The biggest factor in terms of lack of faith in police from citizens is the media” This is the exactly true and applies in far more than just faith in law enforcement.
The media has apparently made it their goal in life to have us lose faith in every American institution. Just to sell advertising, with no regard to the damage they are doing to the country.
The cops wouldn’t make it so easy to lose faith in them if they stopped escalating situations, killing minorities, and brutalizing protesters while decked out like COD cosplay
Nope. The biggest factor in terms of lack of faith in police is the advent of camera phones. For years, all we've had to go on with these interactions were the stories of the men involved; the police and the alleged criminal. And who wouldn't take the word of a respected officer over an accused criminal? But now we have video evidence of each of these incidents and trust in police is dropping because of what we are seeing recorded on tape. The police have no one but themselves to blame for the way the world sees them now.
I hope this is a reference to idiocracy! Honestly America is becoming more and more like that movie, i cant wait for them to start watering their crops with Gatorade cos the media said its full of electralights which is what plants need
Sam Robb Washington Posts data is based on police shootings. The movement/conversation is about bias and all forms of discrimination within police departments. Not just shootings. He used the data on shootings to show that police are not biased or racist in any way; which is flawed.
Ben Shapiro views the relationship between police and Black men based on data. As a Black man, a real 38 YO Upper Middle Class Educated Black man, I can tell you that police are a threat to most black people. I am law abiding and I still get pulled over for no reason(tags always in date, drive the speed limit etc) regularly. My brother, like me, is educated and law abiding and he has been thrown around by cops and searched and released on more than one occasion just for dwb when he was in his early 20s while driving in the suburbs where we lived. This is our reality and this is what we are fighting to change. When I talk to other Black men like myself in Corporate America, their stories are the same. Generally speaking, my white counterparts don’t have nearly this kind of experience. This is what we are changing. Does that make sense?
Robert Mason It does make sense and yet these radicals have taken over this movement by calling for action that will end up hurting everybody, police reform absolutely needs to happen like doing away with police unions is a huge one that must happen, but calling for the destruction of our country is nothing less then radical and traitorous that will lead to the deaths of millions. I'm not saying thats what you are asking only that these groups like Antifa and BLM are asking for exactly that
You can tell us that "as A black man," but not every one of them. All don't get pulled over by police, obviously. They would never get anything done. White whiners love to take stories like yours fueling the narrative, but they don't want to be associated with every white person.
I want to say, first, I'm sorry these things have happened to you. I am white, but I have always been very poor and because I have ethnic cousins and relatives I have spent most of my life living in poor and, naturally, ethnic neighborhoods. I have never received better treatment, I have been arrested unlawfully, when I was fourteen I was handcuffed and my head was hit against a wall by an officer and so on. I generally find however, as my family and I struggle our way to the middle class and our living has increased the police have not changed and did not change until I left my state of origin (New York, I now live in Phoenix Arizona) My general point is that I feel that many of the problems come from the condition of many police officers, I don't think they target black men in all places, but I can also say that cities like LA that have been the focus of my personal studies into the history of Organized crime and streets gangs, the police are KNOWN for being exceptionally racist and for mistreating African-American men. I think the racial problem is location to location, there stands far more precedent in certain states and cities over others but I think something that is universal is the treatment of people from police officers IN GENERAL. I find that most people I know, no matter gender, race or state of origin either have it one of two ways. They have a bad experience with the cops, or they have never HAD an experience with the cops. My ultimate point. I think that the police are just fucked, and need a complete overhaul of how they do things because they are pretty bad overall.
I am a white women and Ive had bad experiences with cops too. But I’ve also had cops that have gone out of their way to help me or others. I am completely against racism and would proudly stand against racism any time I’ve seen it. I also have friends that grew up in these inter cities and cops is not their biggest issue. It’s community violence, it’s poor school systems, it’s lack of a fathers in the home. If you want any kind of change destroying communities, hurting cops, hurting other people, crushing small or big business owners (which then cost people their jobs) will not help solve the issue. All it does is destroy these communities and keeps people from getting better opportunities. These organizations that are doing “peaceful protest” or “trying to make change” are out in the open saying “they want to destroy America at all costs”, they want to destroy family culture, and create a Marxist society. These organizations do not care for Blacks, they have another agendas and they are using “Racism” to push their agenda. Follow the money and you will see none of the money goes towards the black communities.
I grew up in the worst neighborhoods in the country and I agree that at some point you need take personal responsibility. I've also seen how your environment influences you but you can't use that as a crutch.
There are A LOT more poor white people than blacks in this country, add me to the list as I just got laid off. That said there are a lot more white people in the US. White privilege exists, but so does black privilege, Asian, etc it has nothing to do with race but mostly to do with where you were born and what kind of parents you had if you had parents at all.
Remember when everyone could have an opinion without being “canceled” or “racist”? People today think if someone disagrees with them, the other person is always wrong. Everyone should have their opinion valued but that’s not our state of society today.
crazy assumption there bud... willing to bet there have been times where you havent done anything wrong but your heart still starts racing when a cop gets behind you in traffic. They should be fighting real crime, not extorting and harassing citizens. war on drugs is a prime example
C-Train of course I’ve been nervous pulled over. I’ve also been in the wrong several times. More often than not, I wish there was more of a police presence when people are getting reckless. But that’s probably just me getting older. I believe it can be hypocritical telling police how to do their job when we’ve never done it, but get offended when they tell us how to behave. Bunch of adult children running around in the world, I am amazed at how it keeps spinning.
@@CTrain so you gonna pin the war on drugs on cops? Didn't realize they passed the legislative that made cops enforce drug laws... wish someone would've told me.
@@zacharyjenkins9204 you going to pretend legislators are in the field making decisions to give kids criminal records over a gram of weed? Cops choose what to enforce and they are the ones that have to sleep at night knowing they are ruining peoples lives over personal choices that rarely affect other people. A crime requires a victim other than yourself bud.
@@zacharyjenkins9204 Proof is when legislators pass unconstitutional laws and cops refuse to enforce them... are we pretending cops dont have a choice that they are mindless drones enforcing everything politicians dream up? gtfo
@Jim Jones I live in a motor home and am constantly on the move..my concern is they will try to violate my 4th amendment rights and enter my home on false pretenses to try to fleece me..I also exercise my 2nd amendment rights..it goes hand in hand when you seek out lonely places and people in or out of uniform want to try and take whats yours..
Ben Shapiro is a right wing apologist. He seems reasonable until you corner him on something that is unjustifiable, specifically relating to Trump, and then he will try to obfuscate the matter and then change the topic very very quickly. I suspect if you ask him specifically about Trump deploying police in camo and without identification dragging people into rental cars, he will try and find a weasel explanation for why that is justified, then point at the left, and then change the subject to something unrelated. He does it all the time
I do agree with most of the stuff Ben Shapiro says. I think the media is trying to portray him as stupid because they don’t want him to ruin the narrative they are pushing down our throats.
I agree with a lot of the stuff that he says, which one of the things he has said (and other people have) is that you don't have to hate someone if they disagree with you, which I wish more people were like that. It's okay if we don't agree on something, we can both still be polite to each other...even if you like pineapple on your pizza, I'll still be your friend.
@@JH-ki9xb I don't think it's as clear cut as just saying that it's always absolutely murder. I do think it's ending a life, but it's not always just a cut and dry 'we don't want a kid ruining our life' type of decision, and I wouldn't want to take away the ability for someone to do or make unnecessarily hard. I don't like it, but I don't think it should be illegal. I also am not going to hate someone because they think it's 100% okay or if they think it's 100% not okay. We can have different opinions and take different routes and still live good lives. I would rather be nice and respectful to someone for the thousands of reasons we agree on and get along, rather than be enemies over one thing we don't.
"How can someone talk about a topic with the most currently relevant data on an issue" Yeah gee man idk how someone could do that. Seems kinda dumb to use data to me teebeeaych
I feel like he doesn’t take into account how much abuse of power happens that we don’t know about. And that isn’t reported. A lot of people take plea deals because they don’t know or have money to fight for their innocence and it’s easier to go to prison.
Basic business principle: You want better cops then you need better candidates and to get that you have to treat cops better. More training, more time off the streets for recovery, better pay, etc. Who the hell wants to sign up to be a cop right now? And why would they?
The us also needs more training for cops. I think it‘s only like 6 month until you become a cop. It should be way more, like 2 years. Every other job in the world has longer learning periods, i think that would really weed out all the candidates that do it only to get power
This is why the cries for defunding the police are moronic. When you slash police budgets, the first thing thing to be slashed is going to be pay. If you reduce the pay, then the only people who will be willing to be a police officer are the psychopaths and sociopaths who would want to be police no matter what the pay is, because of the feeling of power it gives them. Speaking of basic business principles, the best thing to do to reform the police is to completely outlaw police unions. Having a union for a government job is completely nonsensical. Imagine if there were a Senator's Union or Representative's Union.
Geoffrey Wilson They need therapy. They are extremely traumatized by the nature of their job and that trauma comes out in their interactions with the public.
These people saying unions are the problem have clearly never dealt with municipal governments. They would pay cops $15 an hour and spend the rest on inflated contacts for their cronie buddies. Unions make sure cops don't get fired for being unpopular.
@@folland34 there should be a period after "a lot" and not a comma. There should also be a period after "grammar". Use proper punctuation when you're trying to correct someone's grammar.
There's bad people in every organisation but what really pisses me off is that it always seems that any member of law enforcement is almost immune to prosecution. If you hold any position of power you should be punished more harshly same as when a teacher abuse their power with their students.
I grew up in a cop family. My dad was awesome sometimes but he had a dark side that law enforcement allowed him to open. He was rewarded for kicking the shit out of bad people. He started in 77. By 86 he was in debt with an extremely difficult wife ended beatin his family. We were called punk, garbage, thrown into walls, down stairs, punched, choked, kicked us to the point where they were worried about us going to school with bruises. It went on until I turned 18 and moved out. My 16 year old brother killed himself shortly after. My parents went on national tv and blamed my brothers death on prozac. My father ended up chief of his department in Flagstaff years later, he made sure his boot was on my neck the whole time. He died on his morning jog at 57. Stress.
My Statistics Professor taught me this most obvious truth.... And, even though it was very obvious after I heard it, I didn't hear it from this guy/Professor until I went back to college in my 30's.
J R how can it be better when the data can say whatever you want it to say? Real life experience vs choosing whichever data supports your argument. Talk to anyone who studies analytics. You will here the same.
Bc usually you interact w/ cops bc you're in a negative situation..so, you'll always equate cops w/ negativity. (Even parking tickets, underage drinking, noise complaints, etc..all those things are little but still negative experiences)
To add to Shapiro’s point at 3:16, I would argue it’s even worse for ethnic cops who are in ethnic neighborhoods because they are usually seen as traitors to their race or social group. Its why some black cops have been called Uncle Toms or worse because they are seen as doing the bidding (and to race’s mindset the bidding is therefore racist) of the state. The ethnic and social groups who see a white cop (whether that cops is racist or not) in there neighborhoods at least automatically know he’s an outsider.
In 1986 I dropped out of high school to get on the punk rock scene. My first job was at a Burger King. I worked with a woman who was probably only in her early 40's - but looked about twenty years older (drugs) - and her fifteen-year-old daughter, who was pregnant. I grew up around poor whites. I spent most of my adult life living in low-income, often predominantly-black neighbourhoods. Those experiences solidified an idea in my mind that I believe is absolutely true: poor people, whether white or black, are their own worst enemy. I've seen it replayed, again and again. Cops can be bastards, but the poor dig their own graves.
“I have a lot of friends that are cops. Jamie pull up a picture of a cop.”
@The Shitstorm Starter lmao
“No, not that one”....
“Try the one on the bottom left”.
“There we go, now that’s a cop”.
Nice
💀💀😂😂
Funniest thing I’ve seen today
Crazy how 2 people can have peaceful disagreements in 2020
it's easy when one of them doesn't have tear gas
No shade towards anyone it’s just sad that this a top comment. People really have lost their right to their opinion in the real world.
easy to disagree with a moron
@@TheNewton I wasent talking anything about the riots I was talking about how people lose friends over politically disagreeing, and like how an old black man was just shot and killed because he had different political views
@@yazzyyazyaz peacefully? Yes but the "morons" are the people that hate the other person souly bases on their political views
Police Unions protect the wrong cops, that’s a huge problem.
Literally criminals (unions) with a false narrative. Whatever they can get away with. Con men.
Unions in general protect bad employees
Unions generally protect workers from exploitation. Problem with police unions is they’re not just regular employees and their unions fight for less oversight.
@@dagothhyde7297 Not anymore. Unions have become obsolete. My biggest problem with unions is that they take ownership of the worker's labor away from them. No one should be forced to pay into a union for employment.
Because unions are like a dictatorship
Accountability. If a doctor messes up, he gets sued and loses license. Same principles.
Not exactly, I know plenty of doctors that were crooked and still kept their jobs
Malpractice insurance
But, doctors don't usually lose their license when they mess up, and they don't go to prison. They do get sued, but insurance companies got the laws re-written in the late 90's to make it very hard to get much money from suing a doctor.
Im an ER doc. If i were to make a serious mistake, you can bet your bottom dollar im not getting hired again in an ER, thats before i get sued and my license revoked.
Doctors errors kill 250 000 people a year In the US alone.... quarter of a million. That’s a lot!!!
Cops are constantly disciplined for bad things... media doesn’t ever tell this.
When cops screw up actually punish them.
The GrumpyGuy careful bud ur underlying racism is coming out 😂😂😂
They fired Chauvin and charged him. Immediately. What else can be done dummy?
@@The_Grumpy_Guy yeah if they legit murder somebody don't do anything just make sure other people aren't resting arrest. You must be trolling because that legitimately doesn't make sense in reply to OP
C Box your not any better 😂 “every cop is racist violent racist and more violent scum and every suspect couldn’t hurt a thing and was just oppressed” dumbass
@@The_Grumpy_Guy funny you would assume that.
I said when cops screw up punish them. Read it again.
This is called a healthy discussion. Notice how they dont agree on many of the touching points here, however they agree to disagree and move on.
Very rare these days
It's easy to be objective when you aren't treated like a suspect in every police interaction.
@@jeezy1211 I wasn't commenting on their points of view. I was commenting on how they presented them.
@@McKannon so was I. They both have points I agree with it's just an easier convo for them to have then other people.
@@jeezy1211 100% 👌👌
When even good cops are afraid to turn in their dirty coworkers (for fear of retribution) the whole system is broken.
A good cop who is afraid to turn in a dirty cop is not a good cop
@@dawilliam59 It's been proven that when a good cop turns in a bad corrupt cop, the entire force rallies behind the bad cop and the good cop is the pariah that the whole force turns their back on. This thin blue line bullshit is the problem. The community that the police police are not the enemy, it's the idea that cops are in a war against crime and everyone who isn't a cop is a enemy combatant. This is the problem with policing in America today. When cops are afraid to turn other cops in for their bad or criminal actions because they will be retaliated against and possibly lose their jobs or lives, who would do the right thing when those are the consequences?
The system isn't broken, its working perfectly. You better do some research on reality and who runs things.
@@dawilliam59 yea let the good cop lose his job and everything he worked for so some retards off internet would consider him a good cop
@@Boost400 So is a cop who turns a blind eye to criminal and abusive behavior of other cops a good cop?
The drug war is definitely a major factor in police distrust.
Treat the users. Lay down the hammer on the dealers.
@@Jackholiday1025 Yeah man, you give those dealers 30 years for a gram!
@@Jackholiday1025 people will supply as long as there is demand, doesnt matter if its illegal
Simfunkel Garon land of the free. That demand isn’t victimizing anyone. You should be able to do drugs.
@@blahblah8037 never said you shouldnt, in fact what i was saying was that people will do whatever they want to do despite the state prohibiting it so its stupid to go against it, ofcourse when it comes down to prostitution and drugs not anything else
Power without accountability gets abused in all areas of life, not just the police.
This has to be the best Joe Rogan video clip
🔥 czcams.com/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/video.html
FACTS
police is just an extension of the entire country. irresponsible behaviour could be america's slogan.
Except it leads to deaths of innocent or non violent criminals...
That’s true but the idiots complaining now are just playing victim
Everyone needs to look at ALL of the facts, not just the ones that support their point of view.
Human nature tho, so that's never going to happen.
@@baronvonhoughton gotta at least try...
@@MrTopparwear Don't get me wrong, he's right. but it won't happen 😕
No one has to. Just know what will happen if we don't.
@@thetavibes9021 True
Here’s the deal. It’s not about criminals going to jail for their crimes , it’s about the police not going to jail for theirs......full stop
@Jim Jones "I believe that when police commit crimes they should be punished, the same as everyone else"
This. The whole foundation for the justice system in the west is that justice is blind - it doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, black, white, citizen, police etc, EVERYONE are equal in the eyes of the law. And the fact that cops frequently get away with this shit, despite there being very vlear evidence, suggest that there is just something wrong with the system.
That being said though, you only need to read 2 pages of world history to realize that defunding the police is a very, VERY bad idea
@Jim Jones That part. I believe the police should be paid more but held to a higher standard. If it’s a clear as a day where a cop killed or committed a crime then the punishment should be raised to 150%. Instead 10 years in prison make it 15.
Fred Neck could I have done better then murdering unarmed people , I’m sure I could. We aren’t talking about the good cops here , we are talking about the bad ones. Pretty simple concept.
@Fred Neck So ? Ok it's hard to make good decisions, but if you fuck up to the point of shooting someone who shouldn't have been shot then it doesn't matter. You kill someone, you go to jail. Simple as that.
it's about people having accountability for their actions. Cops seem to get off extremely lightly when someone is murdered.. "i thought he was reaching for a gun so I shot him" routine is getting stale. The idea that after a board hearing at the precint they would be given a paid leave is laughable while the victims family will never get to see their family member again due to a cop's inept ability to properly read the situation, and a lack of psycho-awareness of constantly thinking the perp is going to shoot them.
And this is why Joe Rogan is a great "interviewer". He listens, lets his guest finish and remains calm and objective.
Facts, except when it's about marijuana hahaha
@@trimotionmedia5487 Or about Chris Cuomo's fake 100lbs dumbbell curls lol.
Because he has hours to do it. Put him in a normal interview situation where you are pressed for time then see how good he still is.
Definitely except for Marijuana. He will never hear anybody out on anything bad about it.
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the bar to become a cop is way too low
It definitely varies from agency to agency, city’s and states have their own way of setting “the bar” too.
The bar to become a parent is even lower.
Nobody wants to tackle the root of why the standards have gotten lower for decades. Combined with low pay and loss of all respect for cops I dont know why people are surprised at quality of law enforcement in this country.
Hardly a surprise when large parts of the population seem to see all cops as scum of the earth. It's not a very appealing career when you're putting your life on the line, receiving fairly poor pay, and get very little respect from your community.
@@joshschaeffer3300 cops in my neighborhood start out at 70k. How much should they get paid?
Joe “I’m going to be an elk for halloween” Rogan
He always looks like he’s sweating 24/7🥩😂
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -- Tacitus
Yeah look at CA
@@goon94__61 ...or the District of Columbia.
@@goon94__61 You mean the entirety of the U.S., I like Cali because of the money and opportunties it has. Don't be ignorant
Can't be corrupt if there is no government!
Joe “I have a buddy that is a cop” Rogan.
Insert same Quote while replacing the word "Cop" and always use it to validate your point.
Sounds like trust me I have black friends I’m not racist
I was looking for this comment
@@marybar542 it's OK. My buddy gave me a verified black card. But it's only valid in my asian ass city lol
I typically watch videos at 2x speed to save time on my lunch breaks, but listening to Ben Shapiro on 2x is like holding a microphone to a hummingbirds wings.
Reform is the biggest thing, and I’m impressed that Shapiro said anything about it qualified immunity
Well he won't ever support anything like it so its just empty words
Angel Slovodan sure
@@angelslovodan647 true
Angel Slovodan he wasn’t defending himself tho he was asked a question and answered it.
@@jake3938 he talks fast to hide his stupidity.
I have been around cops most of my life growing up in So. California. I never met a cop who worked the prominently poor black sections of Los Angeles, like Watts who didn't say the same things about going into places like Watts. The generally concensive among cops was, no matter why you went into Watts to help someone, because of the robbery, home invasion, drug dealing, rape or murder, the young black men and women treated them like they were dirt. The people who lived in this area wouldn't do anything to help the cops find who was guilty of the crime. It was like the residences would rather let a local, get away even with murder than help the cops who were there trying to help. I would imagine that some of these cops began to hate trying to help the black residences of places like Watts.
Don’t you just love it when people paint cops with these broad strokes of these savior complexes and don’t actually portray the full story of police unions or militarization. The 1994 crime bill propelled the war on drugs, disproportionately putting cops in black and brown neighborhoods, which also involved laws to be put in place like stop and frisk that criminalized black and brown communities 3x more for drugs even though whites and blacks use these same drugs at the same rate. The 1994 crime bill along with the 1033 crime bill is what radicalized police training to militarization where cops train in military tactics making them more violent and focusing on 110 hours of fire arms and defense vs only 8 hours of de-escalation and mediation. Police brutality settlements continue to rise with currently the top 10 police departments paying out 240 million dollars in police brutality settlements every year with tax payer dollars. Which prevents cops from facing legal consequences when the pay away brutality away and along with currupt laws like qualified immunity less than 5% of cops who ingage in currupt or abusive behavior ever face legal consequences. And even before militarization there were a cases like the Central Park 5 in the 70’s that went under raps for decades of cops abusing their power and pinning cases on minorities. Los angelos is the 2nd highest city who pays the most in police brutality settlements to cover up crime and New York is number 1. Maybe just maybe there’s so much distrust because plethora of cops have abused their power in minorities and they rarely face consequences because things like blue wall of shield and settlements. Maybe just maybe these cops have been in these unions for decades, not facing consequences but and abusing their civilians. Like joe and Ben said if you have 100 good cops and 30 bad cops but the 100 good cops don’t do anything about the 30 bad cops you have 130 bad cops.
@@amisings3716 fry
Neville Speed fry ????
You got it backwards. The resentment started with the black community towards cops. Cops for decades and decades abused and mistreated black people Pre -Civil rights. Even tho things are better now and cops aren’t inherently and blatantly racist, these cops are today are suffering from the transgressions of their predecessors. Do the some research on how ruthless the LAPD was in the 70’s and 80’s. This disdain from both sides didn’t start with black people, it started with the police. And that hate and distrust the police get is very well earned. It’s up to Police to gain the respect and trust back, not black people.
Also, within these poor communities are a code of honor or a code of silence. Many people don't want to come forward with information in fear of retaliation.
over the years joes headset has been moving off centre inch by inch
My ocd is triggered
More towards the right
@@SJ23982398 what? dude literally said he would vote for bernie. the furthest left candidate in america
End the war on drugs
You can't end the war on drugs. I knew something was off with the government when George Bush Sr. pushed dope into the poor neighborhoods. There's no such thing as "left" or "right"...agenda stays the same.
@@caesaro.2286 Everyone's too blind to see it.
@@caesaro.2286 right, left, two wings allowing the same bird of corruption fly.
@Drewski J So there's no heroin, crack, or opioid problems in the US?
Because 70,000 a year and growing over dose deaths is not enough for you? Hell with ending it ... seal team six it and take out the sources..
"It really do be your own homies" - Ben Shapiro
Shapiro sounds like a robot going through puberty
Haha so true. His voice is grating
@JAYREN GORDON YEAH
He can’t help it. No need to be a bully
@JAYREN GORDON YEAH BRO LOL U KNO HE DOES DONT CAP
@@CJLOVE23 SHUT UP UR SOFT
His headset cushion is off-center and I cant stop looking
now im looking at it. Cant stop. Thanks.....
@@Ghettojaku hahaha the comment i was looking for
I came to make a comment on it and found yours. Its driving me nuts and im 20 seconds in. Lol
lul an analogy of his career
@fox mulder why not??
If you don’t tell on your friend if you know he committed a felony then you’re an accomplice. If the police don’t tell on “bad apples “, well I mean...let’s just get off that topic.
Yeah but who rats on a friend?
My job isn't to prevent crime theirs is.
more than 90% of all internal affairs excessive force complaints are filed by police officers against other police officers. Your narrative does not conform with reality or the data.
Alex Magnus thank you! So many people seem to ignore this fact. The reality is that the police unions protect those cops that are being investigated by IA. Also, the ones that report the bad cops often end up being retaliated against by the unions
@@trusta225 indeed, I think we need to take a good hard look at police unions and either completely restructure them or abolish them completely.
I had a lady cop in my hometown give me a parking ticket when I was legally allowed to park there until midnight, it was 10pm when she wrote the ticket. I went down stairs right away once I seen her put it on my car and when I said I'm legally parked here for 2 more hours, she said "I dont give a damn, take it up in court" I took a picture of the sign, went to court and she didnt show up. And people wonder why cops aren't trusted
Last year while riding my bike to work at night I get pulled over by 2 cops who noticed that I didn't have lights on my bike. So, I'm given 2 tickets not 1, for no lights/reflectors & 1 for no audible signal. Mind you, my bike did have reflectors, that shit didn't matter to them. And no audible signal ?? Guess I needed a horn. Bullshit. Ok, lights on a bike at night, I get it, but to write me a ticket, really ? I was out of the house 3 minutes ! Traveled 5 blocks ! And in truth, MY MOUTH IS MY AUDIBLE SIGNAL ALL DAY LONG !
3 Months later in Zoom court, a prosecutor tosses out both tickets, judge accepts. It ain't all bad, but that crap was not necessary to begin with. Guess there's not enough crime in this city until you don't have lights & a horn at night. The country we live in.
“So I read a meme the other day...” - Joe Rogan
Roegan
Or abolish qualified immunity and the police unions. If a nurse give a person the wrong medicine and killed them, that nurse will go the Medical Board get their license stripped from them. Same with a surgeon/ doctor who mess up a procedure kill somebody on the table. How about we hold law enforcement to the same level that we hold medical professionals.
Is that a fair comparison? Nurses and surgeons deal with sick people. Cops deal with suspects and criminals. Nurses don't risk their own lives, cops do. Now I'm not saying cops shouldn't be held responsible. Just comparing those two groups seems odd to me.
Qualified immunity only applies to civil lawsuits, it has absolutely nothing to do with criminal justice. also, the courts have consistently ruled that when police violate somebody's rights they surrender their qualified immunity. You seem like you don't really know what qualified immunity is.
You're not taking into account that all doctors are required to maintain liability insurance in order to practice. They pay a large amount of money out-of-pocket for multimillion dollar policies to protect their licenses. It's fairly hard for a doctor to lose their license to practice.
You really must not know about how "Accountable" Healthcare killers are held. There's a reason they rack up the most numbers out of all serial killer demographics. As you may have a lone wolf serial killer and it's crazy for him to rack up double digit victims... Like them getting 20 is horrifying. Whereas it's not even unusual for Healthcare Killers to be knocking on triple digits, or even higher. One doctor had 292. That they know of. Oddly, they're usually women, though.
Basically, once there's actual evidence of their wrongdoing, they're fired, as bringing in the police solicits the probability of class action lawsuits... Did John's uncle Larry really die of cardiac arrest in his sleep, or was there foul play? So all of said killer's patient files went get blown open and if they'd been there for at least a year... That's a major problem.
Then, they move to a different city and apply to another hospital/clinic/etc, where they can rinse and repeat again and again, as law prohibits someone checking up on a work history for a potential candidate, from asking why they were fired, they can only ask questions verifying that what was on the resume is in fact factual and accurate. If they bother calling in the first place.
Which is kind of ironic, given that should a nurse or someone screw the pooch, that one time, then yes, they're put before a board and such. My point is that the "accountability" you claim to want is why Healthcare killers slip through at such a rate to produce triple digit victims. That's probably not the accountability you're looking for with police.
3:25 💯 that’s the point right there. They can’t speak up bc there fear of loosing their job.
You know, Nazis had the same fear. And worse than just losing their job. If you are just following orders then you followed abhorrent orders non the less. The police are asked to do too much by our politicians. They are not rehab specialist. They are not therapists. They should not be allowed to disrespect the public.
I swear if I see someone else spell losing as "loosing" one more damn time...
Radioactive Trees even though that’s true I wouldn’t compare nazis to cops in America 😂😂😂
@@supplydahigh09 Loosen up man, looks like your loosing it.
@@ashtongeorge3984 not the point really. It's the totalitarian mindset that is similar. Not just found in the police force.
Listen at .75 speed to make Ben Shapiro sound “normal”.
Also makes Joe sound drunk.
That's nuts
I dont think I'm gonna change the speed for this interview
@@OR5UM Nah, Joe sounds like he's wired to shit on coke
End the war on drugs. Stop infringing on the 2A. End for profit prisons and put term limits on congress and the Supreme Court! Ed Pool 2020!
Let's also reform the 13th ammendment so you cant legally be a slave if convicted of a crime. That makes us morally reprehensible
Also the 2nd ammendment isnt being infringed upon i say this as a former Ranger and a combat trainer
Joe Cannabyte no it is by Donald trump himself yet his mindless supporters will fail to realize this
@@Lucas-mx2im how is it being infringed upon, as far as i can see people still have the right to bear arms
@@callanc3925 biggest things over the last few years were decisions to ban accessories like bump stocks, a verbal statement on being interested in banning suppressors, as well as the big doozy of if he did ban guns, he would confiscate/arrest people first then have due process second instead of the other way around.
Long stoner rant forgive me: I’ve got a friend who is a cop and I know he is a good guy with a good heart, so I know there are cops out there that really want to help people and keep them safe, however he’s told me if you speak out against another officer or a superior for questionable behavior you run the risk of being punished or demoted to a lesser role. We need to protect the good cops and weed out the guys who are just on a power trip. Also, it should be illegal for an officer to turn off his body cam or tamper with it to obfuscate evidence. The black bagging in Portland should make us all very uncomfortable regardless of where you stand politically. As a lefty I wouldn’t stand for right wingers being kidnapped who were peacefully protesting and exercising their constitutional rights. And if you believe the people being grabbed are actual criminals I would point to the 700+ videos of police attacking non violent protesters all aggregated into a twitter thread that you won’t see on any main stream news network. Over 20% of Americans are unemployed and 32% can’t afford their house payments/rent and yet the corporations are suddenly big fans of socialism and get bailed out by the government with money seemingly pulled out of thin air. But when it comes time to help working folks the politicians want to talk about the deficit all of a sudden. Even though trump is trying to cut taxes for the rich yet again. The media will try to divide us to ensure we are politically impotent, we need solidarity across the working class in the country and we need to demand change from our politicians or kick their ass out of office. It’s time to end for-profit policing and prisons in this country.
This behavior is the same for any business or organization. It's just normal human behavior to protect your own. Hard to fight that.
I get all that but, the people being "kidnapped" as you put it, are not just "peaceful protesters. These are people who have committed arson, theft, violence, and vandalism. If the mayors of these cities are not willing to have the police remove these people from the protests, do you just keep letting them destroy peoples businesses, drive people away from downtown areas, and generally disrupt the lives of people just trying to work and go about their daily activities?
JED that may be true in some cases. And I don’t personally support violence or looting but not all of those being picked up are guilty of that. Unless you have a reputable source that says otherwise
@@gourdlord2112 Do you have a reputable source that says the feds are just nabbing any random protester? If not I guess we are at an impasse.
@@jedediahpelland He just repeating Pelosi's exact words. He'ss a brainwashed moron.
This is the way a discussion should actually be.
Two people, that don't agree on everything, but can speak civilly to each other and find common ground.
How hard is that? Seriously.
On the other hand maybe discussions should involve people from these movements and communities so they can speak for themselves
The problem is that most people have an ego problem. And when you disagree with them, their ego takes a hit and they go into a rage. "They don't agree with ME?"
And then it spirals. Joe and Ben are awesome, two people who have their beliefs but know that every person is different and they accept that. They are secure in their knowledge and their opinion enough not to be offended by someone disagreeing.
atombrain111 were your feelings hurt ? :(
@@mathiuscramps5781 because defund/abolish the police is a non starter and not worth listening to.
@@mathiuscramps5781 agreed let's get the CEO of Antifa on the line ASAP
Qualified immunity, as explained to me as a former reporter, is meant to “allow law enforcement personnel to do their job without fear of litigation.”
That's what it should be but it hasn't become that. It's basically given a free pass to police officers who are doing things within their job that don't fall in the parameters of the scope of what they're legitimately allowed to do in their job and not be sued for it.
The last minute about Appalachia was spot on. Being raised in easy KY and also being a veteran and police officer, this hit the button!
Fellow Kentuckian here - I totally agree with you. I also worked in the school system for a while and it really is a mindset that perforates regardless of us being more western KY. I think we have a cultural problem. Yes there are exceptions who have their head on straight and a good mindset for their future, but the majority break my heart.
"Use the control group of crime, not the general population." Well stated, Ben!
Which means 13/50 is a useless stat too lmao
@@erboch7124 I missed that part. Care to explain?
@@erboch7124 Doesn't that mean that 13/50 is the control group of crime? Unless I am mistaken.
@@JohnJohnson-fm1gy If 13 is the group repsonsible for the 50 that would make every black person a criminal
Joe knows a lot of Jiu-Jitsu cops.
I trust a cop who studies martial arts more than someone who doesn’t because they are far more confident to take care of a situation without feeling the need to pull out the gun.
These lazy cops don’t want to diffuse the situation at all and would rather take it to the extreme with a gun.
These cops are dangerous exactly someone said they should show up and de-escalate I remember my uncles got in a fight when I was young and I asked my mom why not call the cops she said to me because they don’t need to get involved with a family issue they make things worse and I saw for myself cops just go crazy for no reason instead of trying to figure something out lazy cops
Armando Rios are you saying the cops who are trained in martial arts are dangerous because that is inaccurate for the most part the cops who are skilled in martial arts are much calmer and less likely to go to there tool belt and more likely to deescalate and handle the situating without a gun or taser
@@Josh-ck9bv I think police need to be more dangerous not in fire arms but I think a officer should have a hand gun 12 gauge and rifle but they need to be trained in martial arts it just makes sense
Ben Shapiro sounds like an audio book on 2x speed.
"shoot him in the back... that is sue-able" [1:40 - 1:55]. Did Ben just predict the future?
Well You know..... come on he litteraly went for the fucking Gun....
Cops are allowed to shoot people who are reaching for a weapon in the back. It’s one of the only times they’re allowed to do that
@@erenjeager2003 but he didn't have a gun.
I mean that was justifiable, like he's dumb enough to pull a stunt like that and the media portrayed it horribly....
The dude was a violent rapist anyway. I'm sure the apparent race issue was the furthest thing from the firing squads mind at that point
The first change they need to make is in upper management. When you have higher ups telling their officers if you see a fellow officer do something “bad” don’t say anything no wonder so many of these “good” cops don’t say anything. Any time a stand up cop comes out against an officer in his department their fired immediately.
And People say We need Cops...
SMH.
I’ve never personally seen or heard of this going on and happening though my twenty plus year’s of being in and around dozens of law enforcement agencies.
N Odak here’s a link to a story of a cop getting fired for stopping a choke hold www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/black-buffalo-cop-stopped-another-officers-chokehold-she-was-fired other officers have been fired who support BLM or have stopped other officers from committing violence
I see you are a human with big brain
Majority of police complaints come from other cops
And there are bad pilots who shouldn't be pilots, and bad doctors who shouldn't be doctors and bad teachers who shouldn't be teaching...
But you don't shut the whole industry down.
But police unions make police officers feel invaunurable. The police shouldnt be defunded, but police unions should.
HEY LITTLE MIKE
So like charging the cop who killed George Floyd for murder? yep, they did that
classic youtube misinformation. Police reform doesnt mean no police.
@@samhand8270 Yea man, that solves everything. Nice job!
@@mikeandrews745 not true. Took 2 years to get a pedo teacher removed from my school because of the union. And another was hooked on drugs and overdosed and died. Unions are bad all the way around.
4:36 "yOu MeAN pResiDent TrUmP haD tHe WorsT pOsSiBLE reAcTiOn t0 a ThiNG?!"
(i was laughing after this one, must admit)
A level headed talk, that's nice to see.
It is good but let's get real.
BLM looks like a far left power play to me .They are not interested in reforming the police.Many of them are out to destroy everything.Racial justice is a tool here not an aim.It is depressing but we need to face it.There are some very difficult choices ahead.
Nihilistcentral UK BLM can’t be taken seriously on so many levels
@@theJaRRoOnE22 you would think so but look at the impact so far. People are running scared and it's endorsed by corporations and sports bodies as though it's some sort of harmless charity.It isn't.
Of course two white men can have a level headed talk about something that largely isn’t a problem for them
5:08 When Breonna Taylor's murderers wrote their report, she was listed as having no injuries. They shot her MULTIPLE times. When he brings up numbers or stats I wish hed cite his sources because to dismiss something based of stats that can easily be twisted out of context is damaging.
Thank you for this comment. I hated hearing him talk stats. U have to live in these neighborhoods to understand what goes on.
Watch Tophers Video debunking fake news about the Breonna Taylor case
Also it's not just the killing of black people, its the unlawful arrests and mistreatment of black people.
in his videos he does provide sources
@@blackdynamite5016 so feelings over facts on everything. got it
Family has been in Appalachia for over 200 years. Now I’m a first generation college graduate and dental student
Props to you
Good work!
The “data” does not need to be mountainous when the statistics represent violent incidents. Oppression does not need to be widespread. That’s what the phrase “making an example” infers. My father only had to spank me a handful of times for it to be effective.
@Harry Paul Im not sure this is exactly what hes saying but its my interpretation. If you see people who look like you routinely being profiled and (in some cases killed for no real reason) by the people who are in power over you, its going to make you change your behaviour. Whether that change is to avoid police or just not trust them at all. It doesnt need to be happening everyday, just enough for you to notice that it is happening.
Just like his dad spanking him, it only needs to be occassional to seriously alter the way youre thinking
Wow. His easy three things are pretty good. I don't think I've ever agreed with him before.
Totally wrong
Facts don't care about your feelings
Segments ends with “no hope, no potential for escape” lmao
joe: how can we improve the perspective on cops?
ben: well, good cops are heroes.
joe: but think about how bad the bad cops are...
So I guess the point about qualified immunity for example went in one ear and out the other
@John Katz it's unfortunate that as a lawyer Ben doesn't know this and didn't point it out, but federal courts have been consistently whittling away at when and where qualified immunity applies for the last 2 years. In my opinion it needs to be whittled away even further, but there has been significance progress. if you want to learn about it I strongly recommend a CZcams channel called "Uncivil law", he is a lawyer who reads Court decisions and analyzes them, he has a bunch of videos on qualified immunity and he is very critical of qualified immunity in general
@@micfail2 Are you claiming that qualified immunity was never brought up during their video discussion?
@@thetavibes9021 no, I never said anything remotely close to that. Re-read my comment, then try again. I was making the point that as a lawyer Ben Shapiro should have pointed out that there has been significant progress on the issues around qualified immunity, but he did not do that. he also did not point out that qualified immunity only applies to civil cases, not criminal cases, nor did he point out that police surrender any claim to qualified immunity when they violate somebody's constitutional rights. I was advocating for a more informative and nuanced discussion.
@@micfail2 "It's unfortunate that as a lawyer Ben doesn't know this and didn't point it out." My simple question to what I thought was a separate statement would of sufficed with a simple "No."
The growing distrust of WAP
I feel like Ben Shapiro focuses more on the killings than actual police brutality
Rodger that, but that's the prevailing narrative.
lu impy lol you’re really justifying this shit
lu impy there is actually and I’ve seen it my self. Lucky you 🥴
The discussion was about Black Lives Matter which focuses on nothing more than police shootings.
drschplatt I don’t think that’s true cuz I’ve seen BLM focus on police brutality by trying to push for policies like banning chokehold + stop and frisk
Joe "I read a meme" Rogan
Joe “let me read you this meme” Rogan
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't you just love discussions and debates without labeling your opponent as racist or other derogatory terms? I wish we would uphold these strategies more on social media.
I always find conversations between these two to be incredibly informative, they need to have more, I learn more with them than any other of his guests aside from Jordan Peterson and a handful of other people, I think it's because the conversation is just so healthy, even when they disagree they do it in an incredibly constructive way.
Cops, huh? Survey-Question: Seen the multiple Cop-Videos of CZcamsr Some More News? Have you read the Top-Comments?
The biggest tragedy that came from this is the cancellation of Live PD. The best show EVER.
Some of those cops were pretty cool, although you could tell a few were dicks. Lol
@@andrewptob probably cool because they were on camera 😂😂😂
@@seanmcmeown1992 A few acted nice because of the cameras I'm sure. Lol. But, the ones who were dicks even with the cameras around? Man, they must've been really assholes without cameras around
@@andrewptob yeah thats true
To everyone who thinks left vs right is the main problem in this country, I recommend watching a Yuri Bezmenov video. An ex KGB agent from the 80’s basically summed up everything you see now
I agree but I think justice Democrats or what some people call Democratic socialist, will actually try to work for the people and not bend us working people over the table and fucking us in the ass, among other things like health care, the very problem the video is addressing.
I was just watching that video the other day. It’s happening, we’re 30 years into the brainwashing
Left.... right.... both trash....all THE ILLUSION OF CHOICE
I'm gonna check those vids out thanks
Its not left vs right… especially not now, now its Top vs the Bottom, elite vs the working class
Great to see this quality of debate reaching so many people.
You mean how belittling racism and minimizing it.
2:45. When I'm at an ATM and have $200 on me, I'm not looking out for the media. I'm looking out for cops.
Man Joe should bring in the whole crew: Alex Jones, Eddie Bravo, Joey Diaz, Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson
alex jones and eddie bravo in the same conversation :D:D:D:D:D:D
@The Shitstorm Starter there is no evidence against Chris D´elia yet.....
@The Shitstorm Starter because he doesn't want to attract any extra attention to himself...... he knows that media are not interested in facts, but only in scandal, so they will do anything to shit all over his name just to sell more...... plus, we live in a culture where society doesn't care about due process anymore....... all those crazy SJWs and feminists would start screaming "believe women" even without any evidence, cause that's the shitshow we live in these days...... I'm sure chris is not interested in any of that shit
@The Shitstorm Starter Louis CK admitted what he did, so he's in a bit harder situation...... but with Chris Delia, there is no evidence of his crime, so he is waiting until the "SJW mob" turns on someone else...... after the smoke clears, I'm sure he WILL address the rumors somewhere publicly......
Joe "I-know-cops-who-eat-elk" Rogan
“The biggest factor in terms of lack of faith in police from citizens is the media” This is the exactly true and applies in far more than just faith in law enforcement.
spot on
The media has apparently made it their goal in life to have us lose faith in every American institution. Just to sell advertising, with no regard to the damage they are doing to the country.
The cops wouldn’t make it so easy to lose faith in them if they stopped escalating situations, killing minorities, and brutalizing protesters while decked out like COD cosplay
@@ralphholiman7401 In last years it seems like the goal of media in USA is to incite civil war...
Nope. The biggest factor in terms of lack of faith in police is the advent of camera phones. For years, all we've had to go on with these interactions were the stories of the men involved; the police and the alleged criminal. And who wouldn't take the word of a respected officer over an accused criminal? But now we have video evidence of each of these incidents and trust in police is dropping because of what we are seeing recorded on tape. The police have no one but themselves to blame for the way the world sees them now.
The presumption that any cop is a good person is deeply disturbing
How old is Ben? Was he 4 when he started? He's been looking like 18 for 20 years
He still thinks like an 18 year old too 😂
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TheZackDelusion he was still an absolute genius then too
Gamer Epic An absolute genius is a stretch lol.
Ye, he thinks like a child.
Finally some simple changes that can work.
Ben is 100% right in regards to the situation at hand.
Thankd for having Ben on the show again Joe! Much respect to you. Always LOVE your show!
Don't bring him back
@@rlast4698 yeah but you had no problem with Bernie being on the show? Right
Terry Crews for President! He’s got a 3 point plan to fix everything!
Well he need to hurry up cause we're running out of burrito coverings 🌯😂
President Camacho!!!!
I hope this is a reference to idiocracy!
Honestly America is becoming more and more like that movie, i cant wait for them to start watering their crops with Gatorade cos the media said its full of electralights which is what plants need
I’m Uhmariken, Gatorade has electric lights? Awesome!
We've got this guy, Not Sure !!!
Corona: i have come to end human lives
Humans: not if we do it first buddy.
Ben Shapiros reference to the Washington Post data is extremely flawed.
Can you elaborate?
Sam Robb Washington Posts data is based on police shootings. The movement/conversation is about bias and all forms of discrimination within police departments. Not just shootings. He used the data on shootings to show that police are not biased or racist in any way; which is flawed.
@@tony_yh2421 when did he even suggest cops aren't biased?
Antonio Macias He wasn’t saying in “any” way though.
@@tony_yh2421 That's why he cites the Roland Fryer study as well., to provide more insight into what WP fails to cover.
I love how this peaceful dialog can exist instead of people screaming at each other letting their emotions getting the best of them.
Maybe because they white n upperclass so never experienced these issue or know anyone who has...
@@rlast4698 The dumbest thing I read today, You immediately assume their backgrounds and hardships based on race? Weak.
Ben Shapiro views the relationship between police and Black men based on data. As a Black man, a real 38 YO Upper Middle Class Educated Black man, I can tell you that police are a threat to most black people. I am law abiding and I still get pulled over for no reason(tags always in date, drive the speed limit etc) regularly. My brother, like me, is educated and law abiding and he has been thrown around by cops and searched and released on more than one occasion just for dwb when he was in his early 20s while driving in the suburbs where we lived. This is our reality and this is what we are fighting to change. When I talk to other Black men like myself in Corporate America, their stories are the same. Generally speaking, my white counterparts don’t have nearly this kind of experience. This is what we are changing. Does that make sense?
Robert Mason It does make sense and yet these radicals have taken over this movement by calling for action that will end up hurting everybody, police reform absolutely needs to happen like doing away with police unions is a huge one that must happen, but calling for the destruction of our country is nothing less then radical and traitorous that will lead to the deaths of millions.
I'm not saying thats what you are asking only that these groups like Antifa and BLM are asking for exactly that
You can tell us that "as A black man," but not every one of them. All don't get pulled over by police, obviously. They would never get anything done. White whiners love to take stories like yours fueling the narrative, but they don't want to be associated with every white person.
I want to say, first, I'm sorry these things have happened to you.
I am white, but I have always been very poor and because I have ethnic cousins and relatives I have spent most of my life living in poor and, naturally, ethnic neighborhoods. I have never received better treatment, I have been arrested unlawfully, when I was fourteen I was handcuffed and my head was hit against a wall by an officer and so on.
I generally find however, as my family and I struggle our way to the middle class and our living has increased the police have not changed and did not change until I left my state of origin (New York, I now live in Phoenix Arizona)
My general point is that I feel that many of the problems come from the condition of many police officers, I don't think they target black men in all places, but I can also say that cities like LA that have been the focus of my personal studies into the history of Organized crime and streets gangs, the police are KNOWN for being exceptionally racist and for mistreating African-American men.
I think the racial problem is location to location, there stands far more precedent in certain states and cities over others but I think something that is universal is the treatment of people from police officers IN GENERAL.
I find that most people I know, no matter gender, race or state of origin either have it one of two ways.
They have a bad experience with the cops, or they have never HAD an experience with the cops.
My ultimate point.
I think that the police are just fucked, and need a complete overhaul of how they do things because they are pretty bad overall.
Bee Zee willful ignorance 🥱
I am a white women and Ive had bad experiences with cops too. But I’ve also had cops that have gone out of their way to help me or others. I am completely against racism and would proudly stand against racism any time I’ve seen it. I also have friends that grew up in these inter cities and cops is not their biggest issue. It’s community violence, it’s poor school systems, it’s lack of a fathers in the home.
If you want any kind of change destroying communities, hurting cops, hurting other people, crushing small or big business owners (which then cost people their jobs) will not help solve the issue. All it does is destroy these communities and keeps people from getting better opportunities.
These organizations that are doing “peaceful protest” or “trying to make change” are out in the open saying “they want to destroy America at all costs”, they want to destroy family culture, and create a Marxist society. These organizations do not care for Blacks, they have another agendas and they are using “Racism” to push their agenda. Follow the money and you will see none of the money goes towards the black communities.
Sounds like where you come from is more important than race. Seems like most people think there are no poor white people.
"Poor kids can be just as smart as the white kids!"
I grew up in the worst neighborhoods in the country and I agree that at some point you need take personal responsibility. I've also seen how your environment influences you but you can't use that as a crutch.
There are A LOT more poor white people than blacks in this country, add me to the list as I just got laid off. That said there are a lot more white people in the US. White privilege exists, but so does black privilege, Asian, etc it has nothing to do with race but mostly to do with where you were born and what kind of parents you had if you had parents at all.
VCU PIANIST sorry to hear you got laid off
@@vcupiano Its not economic.
Remember when everyone could have an opinion without being “canceled” or “racist”? People today think if someone disagrees with them, the other person is always wrong. Everyone should have their opinion valued but that’s not our state of society today.
There's people that are cops and shouldn't be, there's also people that are people in our society that shouldn't be.
yet again joe finds a way to bring in martial arts to the discussion
People: Cops are extremely abusive and violent
Also people: WE WON"T SELL YOU FOOD
Those people: *not abused by that cop*
ok
First time I’ve ever heard public figures out side of Appalachia. talk about Appalachia and the things that go on there.
Those cops at 5 guys they talking about happened in my hometown
That’s so crazy because I ate lunch today!
Crazy how everyone is suddenly an expert in policing when they can’t even police their own lives.
crazy assumption there bud... willing to bet there have been times where you havent done anything wrong but your heart still starts racing when a cop gets behind you in traffic. They should be fighting real crime, not extorting and harassing citizens. war on drugs is a prime example
C-Train of course I’ve been nervous pulled over. I’ve also been in the wrong several times. More often than not, I wish there was more of a police presence when people are getting reckless. But that’s probably just me getting older. I believe it can be hypocritical telling police how to do their job when we’ve never done it, but get offended when they tell us how to behave. Bunch of adult children running around in the world, I am amazed at how it keeps spinning.
@@CTrain so you gonna pin the war on drugs on cops? Didn't realize they passed the legislative that made cops enforce drug laws... wish someone would've told me.
@@zacharyjenkins9204 you going to pretend legislators are in the field making decisions to give kids criminal records over a gram of weed? Cops choose what to enforce and they are the ones that have to sleep at night knowing they are ruining peoples lives over personal choices that rarely affect other people. A crime requires a victim other than yourself bud.
@@zacharyjenkins9204 Proof is when legislators pass unconstitutional laws and cops refuse to enforce them... are we pretending cops dont have a choice that they are mindless drones enforcing everything politicians dream up? gtfo
I'm white and I say arrest EVERYONE that's not me. Thanks a head of time.
civil forfeiture..otherwise known as policing for profit needs to stop..their logo should say "To serve and protect ourselves"
@Jim Jones I live in a motor home and am constantly on the move..my concern is they will try to violate my 4th amendment rights and enter my home on false pretenses to try to fleece me..I also exercise my 2nd amendment rights..it goes hand in hand when you seek out lonely places and people in or out of uniform want to try and take whats yours..
"I'm not a fan of public sector unions anyways" COLOR ME SHOCKED BEN.
A breath of fresh air to hear someone on the right with reasonable thoughts on police corruption while still supporting the good ones.
Yea i rarely agree with Ben but at least he agrees with this common sense approach to this problem.
Ben Shapiro is a right wing apologist. He seems reasonable until you corner him on something that is unjustifiable, specifically relating to Trump, and then he will try to obfuscate the matter and then change the topic very very quickly. I suspect if you ask him specifically about Trump deploying police in camo and without identification dragging people into rental cars, he will try and find a weasel explanation for why that is justified, then point at the left, and then change the subject to something unrelated. He does it all the time
We all think like this and if you take the time to talk to the right or left or whatever you‘ll see that we all have more in common than not.
@@MrSoggyjocks Agreed. I try to be non partisan when I examine his arguments and it's the same shit over and over again. Pandering!!!!
@@MrSoggyjocks orange man bad, amirite?
This might be one of the few times where I actually agree with Ben Shapiro on something
I do agree with most of the stuff Ben Shapiro says. I think the media is trying to portray him as stupid because they don’t want him to ruin the narrative they are pushing down our throats.
I agree with a lot of the stuff that he says, which one of the things he has said (and other people have) is that you don't have to hate someone if they disagree with you, which I wish more people were like that. It's okay if we don't agree on something, we can both still be polite to each other...even if you like pineapple on your pizza, I'll still be your friend.
You agree when he says abortion is murder???
@@JH-ki9xb I don't think it's as clear cut as just saying that it's always absolutely murder. I do think it's ending a life, but it's not always just a cut and dry 'we don't want a kid ruining our life' type of decision, and I wouldn't want to take away the ability for someone to do or make unnecessarily hard. I don't like it, but I don't think it should be illegal. I also am not going to hate someone because they think it's 100% okay or if they think it's 100% not okay. We can have different opinions and take different routes and still live good lives.
I would rather be nice and respectful to someone for the thousands of reasons we agree on and get along, rather than be enemies over one thing we don't.
@@jerkfrags7253 so you do believe it's taking a life... But you don't want to call it murder? I don't get that
These 2 always have such great conversations.
Wow great as in ignorant misinformed and biased sure
Dude there much more bens not taking into account there are so much cover ups, drugs, politics that effects the poor.
One of the most reasonable discussions ever seen on the topic
Remains me so much of "Escape from New York". When it comes to militizing the police. Watch that movie if you haven't seen it
Is it very good?
@@loganstolberg2743 trust me. It's really good.
Escape from LA, 1997 IMdb.com seems more accurate. 🎬
You can skip Escape from LA if you want though
Those movies are trash
5.34- how can he talk about threats on a data level when the reality of abuse and misconduct of authority hasn't been recorded until now.
"How can someone talk about a topic with the most currently relevant data on an issue"
Yeah gee man idk how someone could do that. Seems kinda dumb to use data to me teebeeaych
I feel like he doesn’t take into account how much abuse of power happens that we don’t know about. And that isn’t reported. A lot of people take plea deals because they don’t know or have money to fight for their innocence and it’s easier to go to prison.
Basic business principle: You want better cops then you need better candidates and to get that you have to treat cops better. More training, more time off the streets for recovery, better pay, etc. Who the hell wants to sign up to be a cop right now? And why would they?
The us also needs more training for cops. I think it‘s only like 6 month until you become a cop. It should be way more, like 2 years. Every other job in the world has longer learning periods, i think that would really weed out all the candidates that do it only to get power
More funding for the cops
This is why the cries for defunding the police are moronic. When you slash police budgets, the first thing thing to be slashed is going to be pay. If you reduce the pay, then the only people who will be willing to be a police officer are the psychopaths and sociopaths who would want to be police no matter what the pay is, because of the feeling of power it gives them.
Speaking of basic business principles, the best thing to do to reform the police is to completely outlaw police unions. Having a union for a government job is completely nonsensical. Imagine if there were a Senator's Union or Representative's Union.
Geoffrey Wilson They need therapy. They are extremely traumatized by the nature of their job and that trauma comes out in their interactions with the public.
These people saying unions are the problem have clearly never dealt with municipal governments. They would pay cops $15 an hour and spend the rest on inflated contacts for their cronie buddies. Unions make sure cops don't get fired for being unpopular.
I KNOW ALOT OF COPS FROM JU JUSTU
Lol, yea he is a debile
* a lot, learn basic grammar
@@folland34 there should be a period after "a lot" and not a comma. There should also be a period after "grammar". Use proper punctuation when you're trying to correct someone's grammar.
lean. 😂😂😂 roasted. I’m only concerned with his spelling of “Jiu-Jitsu.”
Brandon Larkin If I remember correctly, Jujutsu is the true-to-form version of jujitsu.
There's bad people in every organisation but what really pisses me off is that it always seems that any member of law enforcement is almost immune to prosecution. If you hold any position of power you should be punished more harshly same as when a teacher abuse their power with their students.
I grew up in a cop family. My dad was awesome sometimes but he had a dark side that law enforcement allowed him to open. He was rewarded for kicking the shit out of bad people. He started in 77. By 86 he was in debt with an extremely difficult wife ended beatin his family. We were called punk, garbage, thrown into walls, down stairs, punched, choked, kicked us to the point where they were worried about us going to school with bruises. It went on until I turned 18 and moved out. My 16 year old brother killed himself shortly after. My parents went on national tv and blamed my brothers death on prozac. My father ended up chief of his department in Flagstaff years later, he made sure his boot was on my neck the whole time. He died on his morning jog at 57. Stress.
Anyone that studies analytics will tell you that you can make any study/data show what you want.
My Statistics Professor taught me this most obvious truth....
And, even though it was very obvious after I heard it, I didn't hear it from this guy/Professor until I went back to college in my 30's.
Still.
Data > anecdotes
J R that would depend entirely on the source and slant of the data.
Michael Yates
Still better than anecdotes, which mean nothing when it comes to trying to label something an epidemic that needs reform
J R how can it be better when the data can say whatever you want it to say? Real life experience vs choosing whichever data supports your argument. Talk to anyone who studies analytics. You will here the same.
Bc usually you interact w/ cops bc you're in a negative situation..so, you'll always equate cops w/ negativity. (Even parking tickets, underage drinking, noise complaints, etc..all those things are little but still negative experiences)
Breonna Taylor was asleep
Negativity and fearing for your life are different
@Real Life I would, if they really existed
To add to Shapiro’s point at 3:16, I would argue it’s even worse for ethnic cops who are in ethnic neighborhoods because they are usually seen as traitors to their race or social group. Its why some black cops have been called Uncle Toms or worse because they are seen as doing the bidding (and to race’s mindset the bidding is therefore racist) of the state.
The ethnic and social groups who see a white cop (whether that cops is racist or not) in there neighborhoods at least automatically know he’s an outsider.
In 1986 I dropped out of high school to get on the punk rock scene. My first job was at a Burger King. I worked with a woman who was probably only in her early 40's - but looked about twenty years older (drugs) - and her fifteen-year-old daughter, who was pregnant. I grew up around poor whites. I spent most of my adult life living in low-income, often predominantly-black neighbourhoods. Those experiences solidified an idea in my mind that I believe is absolutely true: poor people, whether white or black, are their own worst enemy. I've seen it replayed, again and again. Cops can be bastards, but the poor dig their own graves.
Uh no man u wrong
Great commentary from 2 highly intelligent Men who don't necessarily agree on everything civilly discussing their points