.223 vs .243 for Deer Hunting???
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243 for the woods, 223 for the hood.
Well said.
300 for the Hood....308/30-06 for the Wood.
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I've used both, but prefer 243.
The .243 all day long. Maybe that's because it was my Dad's favorite deer cartridge (lol).
I grew up with a shared opinion that the .223 was a deer wounding bullet. With this being said, a lot has changed in bullet technology, which gives reason to reconsider the 223 for deer. What ultimately delivers a clean kill is the ability to disrupt the nervous system, circulatory system, or combination of the two. Clearly, what is needed is a bullet that can expand delivering a large temporary cavity and a deep permanent cavity, which has the potential to exit, creating a secondary wound to bleed out. Todays "solid copper" and "fused" .223 bullets in the 70gr range can expand to nearly .50cal in diameter and penetrate to depths, which can deliver full penetration on deer sized game. I agree shot placement and distance play a major factor when choosing to hunt with a .223, but if your shooting distances are typlically less than 100yrds, and you're willing to pass on poorly angled shots, the .223 with the correct bullet is a reasonable option.
I think you nailed it with this description. Bullet placement and the correct bullet construction are the most critical, and the new bullet types you mentioned give what were marginal calibers some extra effectiveness vs what was available in the past.
Thanks for mentioning poorly angled shots. I would not have thought of that.
Remember to check your state hunting guidelines. .223/5.56 is illegal in some states for use on medium and large game.
Maryland is one of them
Anything under .25 is illegal in West Virginia now.
No 22 cal in Colorado
Michigan's min deer caliber is .243/6mm for long guns except the shotgun zone (~lower third) and .35 for handguns, the Legends, Buckhammer, & Bushie statewide within the case length max that's taking hold.
Illegal in VA as well.
Depends on the state u live in. Some states minimum 6mm or larger projectile for Deer hunting
.243 with 100gr Nosler partition.
Took my biggest muley with a 223 at 100 yards. Took 3 more after that anywhere from 100 to 200 yards all lung shots took 5 steps laid over
I did permited whitetail depredation work for years....how many deer did you lungshoot with a 223 that only took 5 steps?
@@chadmcswain5389 2 muley 1 whitetail
@@chadmcswain5389 "whitetail depredation work"
So, you were a hunter? Also, he told us how many. 🙄
@@user-ek2eb5md8g farmers and tree nurseries have to occasionally get State permits to take out whitetails that are damaging crops, Christmas trees, etc. Once the permits are cleared and issued, then designated shooters are hired to come in and eliminate the deer causing the damages. Now that I've explained that to you, I'm waiting for his response about all of his .223 deer that ran such a short distance. I've taken hundreds of deer with intermediate cartridges (223, 7.62x39, 6.8spc, 6.5 Grendel, 300blk, etc.) and they rarely ever run that short of a distance when shot through the lungs. I thought maybe he made a mistake. Were you there with him he made the shots? Is that why you butted into the comment? If not, then your opinion is about as useful as tits on a boar hog👍
@@chadmcswain5389tits on a boar hog?!😂
I agree with your assumption that the greater number of deer ran further than 5 steps, especially when those deer are whitetail. With that being said, the OP did say his 5 step kills were muleys, not whitetails and maybe he found the perfect shot placement on said 5 steppers.
Ive shot the lungs out of whitetails at 50 yards, or the heart out of another with 300blk and was impressed by the ground they covered after that kind of damage. Yet I have a friend that whacked a stunner whitetail buck at 300yds with a 223(factory loaded ballistic tip i believe) and it was a bang/flop. Crazy.
I think the experience you have with "hundreds" is pretty invaluable. Did you notice any improved killing performance with the grendel or the spc? Honestly I feel the only advantage given by a 308 over the AR calibers you listed is just range. Anything inside of 150yds would be just as dead.
I’ve always been a 30 caliber myself, just recently got a 243 n might try it sometime, but my 308 works well for me in my hunting conditions !!
About 10 years ago, around 2012, West Virginia temporarily dropped it's, >.25 cal centerfire ammo restrictions on whitetail. We had folks hit the field with both, the reports back from the field while flavoring the .243 win, got the restrictions reinstated by 2016. .223 pencil most of the shots except for the cornering shot, those AR-15 got re-uppered afterwards for 6.5 Grendel or 350 legend, those who shot the .243win, it worked fine out too 250 yards, but we had a problem with the hunter not so much the caliber, the hunter was found to either be a youth who couldn't physically drag the deer out, or likewise a impaired or elderly shooter using the lower .243 recoil (in comparison to a full power .30 cal) getting hurt or having a heart attack on drag-out. So WV-DNR went back to the .25 caliber centerfire or larger requirements, sometimes it isn't the round that's at issue but the shooter!
i refer 30-30 or 308
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Many animals which would be considered too big for 22LR, have fallen to the 22LR because the shooter understands that close proximity and precise shot placement are critical. If the same care is taken with 223, then how much more adequate is 223 for deer over the 22LR.
Wish you would talk comparing 22-250 and 243.
Interesting video! In sweden we have all calibers in differrent categories. Every measured energy at 100meters. 22lr is a category 4 >60joule and for small game, crows, rabbits etc.
9x19 is a category 3>250joule, small game like fox, badgers, goose etc. 223/5,56 is a category 2>900joule, medium game like swedish deer(weight around 40kg), 12 guage shotgun is also category 2. And for category 1 we have 308win, 30-06, .243 and so on, >2000 joule. Takes on all classes of animals. Important rule is all hunting ammo must be of a expanding type, no fmj. I would never use 223 for hogs or other bigger animal, one, its a hunting crime and two, i dont thing its ethical even if its possible. The 223 is a awesome caliber, i have a ruger mpr in 223 and love it but it have its limits
243 is class 2. 6,5x55 and 6,5 creedmoor are the low end of class 1. And only class 1 and 2 need expanding bullets. You often hunt black grouse and capercaillie with 6,5 fmj.
@@robertpetersson5655 yeah you've right, the 243 fixes the energi at 100m but the bullet is too light to make the caliber qualify as class1. If a fmj bullet i used in a class 1 caliber it "becomes" a class 3 due to the lack of energydump. You are right in both cases, i just wanted to be short without deeper details
Hunt caribou with 243 Win. 100 grain partition or 85 grain TSX.
it boils down to shot placement and personal preference, but both can get the job done effectively.
Yup
Well said. Shot placement is key. Sucks tho if an animal turns on u. Or gets injured first and u can't get a proper kill shot.. It is so much easier to go backcountry with a light shooting rifle.
I started out with a 220 swift and bought a 243 about 20 years ago i always doe hunt with my 243 i buy a riffle for bucks last season i was a 6.5cm didnt really care for it my youth hunter daughter has used a 223 for 3 year now tagged out all shots within 90 yards this year im working on a 3040 craig i inherited should be fun 😁
The .243Win is an excellent whitetail\antelope cartridge. It's when guys start saying it's good for elk is when I draw the line.
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I would say 243 is for elk, what 223 is for deer. Wouldn't necessarily recommend but plenty of animals have been harvested successfully in both scenarios. Bullet construction, placement, and velocity on impact is everything.
@@ANW-cl7bw Can it be done? Yes. Very short range, perfect shot, easy terrain. Should it be done? No. I'm in Montana, very rugged terrain, grizzlies, most shots are across coullees 400 yds. If you're packing a .243, you're not very smart.
@@nt3523 Agreed. The discussion in this video was almost entirely focused on eastern deer hunting.
@@ANW-cl7bw limits your options for sure. If not a young, or lightweight person, then no reason to hunt big game with 243. I carry a compact 308. Apparently I cant kill Elk at 600yds like everyone else online, lol. My only point, shoot what u can shoot well within realistic circumstances:)
This one is easy brother I been doing it for decades .243 95 or 100 gr is king on deer sized game .
Hmmm, my first comment disappeared. I did take a nice whitetail buck at 50 yds. with a 64 grain, Winchester Power Point Plus which is rated on the box for Whitetail. I would not attempt to shoot a deer past 100 yds. with a .223. Some states do not allow .223 for deer.
I have got a lot of deer with a 100 gram 243 biggest one was 250 lb. One shot
Awesome
I have both. One only comes out for deer season the other stays in the ranch truck all year for everything from ground squirrels to coyotes to an occasional pig or javelina makin a mess of the irrigation lines.
I don't get as mad when I can't find a varmint. But I want my deer meat easy-to-find and drag to the truck.
243 good choice for young hunters Great video
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Here in farm land, central Mississippi, I would never take my 5.56 on a serous deer hunt. My nephew drops deer near and far with his 243. 😮👍
I’ve got a single shot 243 . 👍😊
.243 and above is the law here in VA.
243 is a great round even for white tail shot placement is key.👍
.223 with 75gr bonded gold dot.
I use 62
Both great cartridges
Since you like weatherby and if you like the 243, you should try the 257 weatherby magnum. The quater calibers are often overlooked. At one point, the 25-08 was a wildcat (sometimes referred to as the 25 Souper. But bullet choice was limited and it never caught on.
I have a 257. Have some videos on it and more on the way
Un saludo desde Uruguay
Thanks for the share!!
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This IS a really informative data driven video.
Thanks
Thanks for watching
🎯 great video, modern hold on the shoulder even thru bone deer rated bullets matter much for (.243 or .223/5.56) both are legal here, at normal deer hunting ranges the deer can't seem to tell the difference & pile up quick.
I think they both do a good job. I always get crap for saying 556 will work just fine.
Absolutely if the right projectile is chosen
243 all day, it's a sad shame the 260 rem Never took off, it even better for deer than the 243 and out performs the 6.5 creedmoor, you can harvest deer with a 223 however the farther out you go the less likelihood of an ethical humane kill, the 243 has what it takes a greater distances and can really pack a wollop at closer ranges too
Watch Erik Cortina interview with Larry Taite. Larry shot a 243 . Great interview. A 243 is a very accurate round. It's a great interview if you have never seen it. Larry is a good guy. Great vids!!!!
Good video! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Shot placement is key...
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Cool comparison! 😀
Barnes ttsx 80 grain 243
Tsx 55 grain 223.
Taken bucks with both.
Know the limitations of the round and yourself and success will follow.
Range, bullet design, velocity, shooter ability. I wonder how many deer have been killed with a 22 long rifle. Maybe as many as with a 30-06. One major factor I haven't mentioned is responsibility. Take enough gun, enough ability, and enough responsibility.
Millions of deer have been killed with the .22lr.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 and many more have been wounded and the blood trail couldn't be followed.
The 22 is the poachers choice 😮
22lr🦌is silent killer
@@jerrythompson9111 22 mag around where i live
I have used both here in my area. Most deer were a 100 yards or less due to the area being hunted .243 is was highly popular here for years . Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
Great video keep them coming. I would like a better comparison aka all ar15 length rounds like 6.5 Grendel ,6 ARC and 22ARC against the old standard 223. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the info, I've been considering 243, but I think I'll stick with the 6.5 Grendel.
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i took my first 3 deer and one antelope(at 500 yds btw) with .243 so ill definitely go with that. also my state doesnt let you hunt deer with 22 caliber rifles. it kind of made me not trust 223 for something like that. im sure its deadly but for some reason i just get the "more ethical" feeling from 243
Great info dude very impressive
Thanks for watching
222 all day.
Is 222 better than 223
@davidsettle8456 that was a spelling mistake bro. I've never shot a 222 in my life. 223
I have an uncle here in Florida that has only hunted deer with a 243 for 35 to 40 years that I know of (while still hunting). he has always neck shot them and I can't remember him ever losing one.
243 is almost forgotten and highly underrated! Its a great little cartridge.
I am still to meet the person that has forgotten about the .243; it is like the flu, you are bound to catch it eventually.
good comparison WTW, .243 for me. Many states don't even allow anything smaller than .243 Win for deer hunting.
I own both and will stick with the 243 win
100gr Hornady interlock btsp has a bc of .406. 🙂
Think you could compare 22 creed and 243
100% spot-on video. For me, I prefer bang flop and pass thru bullets due to the woods we hunt in PA and central NY. Not saying either won't work, but I prefer larger and more energy to either of these two.
Yo soy fan absoluto del 223/556 NATO y lo uso casi para todo tipo de casa y sirve muy bien para la defensa del hogar
243 🦌👌
I use 62 grain gold dots/fusion at 3050fps, drop like sack of taters
There you go
In Canada, depending on the provincial rules, you MUST use a shotgun with either rifled slug or BUCKSHOT at range to dispatch a deer.
You can use rifles, of course.
The use of the shotgun is usually designated for areas where one may come in contact with "civilization".
Closer to urbanized rural, shotgun.
Closer to the FOREST and the mountains, rifle.
My rule is .223- under 200 lbs.and under 200 yards..243- under 350 lbs.and under 350 yards.
Biggest whitetail I've ever shot in the South is 150 lbs
Interesting as we have calibre laws for deer in England and Wales, slightly different in Scotland. .243 is the minimum in England for Roe.
One thing that's important to note is that most manufacturers of 243 _ASSUME_ what you're using it for based upon the bullet weight. 80-grains-and-up is _ASSUMED_ to be for deer sized game, and anything less than 80 grains is _ASSUMED_ to be for predators or varmints. The reason that matters is because bullet construction often -- _not always, but often_ -- is different for 80+ than it is for less-than-80.
I'm sure that a 75-grain 243 would still wreck a deer, but it's often a varmint-bullet at that weight, and may not be optimal construction for that task.
This isn't 100%, but is more of a general trend.
Here in Yakutia .223 is good for a roe deer, but I've seen Barnaul HPs pierce through a roe alongside up to 300 yards
and seen wounded with FMJs at 60 yards. The problem is to deliver the energy, so some people expand HP's tip hole
with 1.5mm drill and I believe it helps, but SPs might be a better choice.
next up brotha adam . 220 swft and oddball rifle rounds out there possibly ? , you KEEP EM COMING , learning loets brotha , thanks n talk soon n i need/want one of those remington t-shirts in 4x PLEASE , let me know > tom !
talk soon brotha > tom !
There's deer that weigh 120 pounds and there's deer that weigh 300 lbs. Big difference.
Kinda
He did say "White Tail." I'm not a Deer hunter but, I don't think White Tail come in over 170lbs.
Whitetail can get over 300 lbs in some areas
@@WHOTEEWHO I had no idea they could get that big. I was born in Florida & now live in Tennessee. I've ridden dirt bikes all my life & run up onto deer all the time. Never seen one that looked to be over 170lbs. Maybe that's just in my neck of the woods though.
@@DickGozinya-zl2bd Google the record. over 400 if I recall correctly
They are in different classes for deer hunting
The key for me is obviously placement but also bullet design and bullet weight. I would prefer 243 over 223.
I doubted the 223 till I actually used it on deer. 60gr. nosler partitions..made a believer
Both rely on bullet selection.. not ballistic ju ju. chose wisely
One of the most used calibers years back was the 22 mag. Some would say 22 mag has killed more deer or as many as any other caliber.
people in AK hunt with near anything , I had a Dr. say he didnt like to see caribou suffer , I told him to use soft points . Now I would say copper slugs .
Adam you should start arranging and sharing your data on your website. It would be awesome to have as a quick reference.
Totally different beasts. Gotta remember that .243 is made from a .308 casing. Much more power behind it.
Hey buddy, off topic. I know your a temington fan, as i am of older guns. Have you shot or handled a new 870 field. Havent heard much about them but am looking for a new 20 gauge. Just wandered how quality was
I am a remington ammo fan. I have almost zero experience with Remington firearms
All about shot placement and grain.
243 all the way
How does the 5.56 conpare to the 243.
243 is the small round in md.
Forgot to add, for whitetails, I would go with the .243.
Has anyone used Barnes X boolites in 223 for deer? How did it perform?
Gotta watch velocity, below 2k they don’t expand very well. Also need good twist to stabilize. 22-250 would be significant improvement for the extra velocity, but twist is usually an issue unless it’s a custom job there.
I did. 55 grain TTXT. DRT.
Hey my dude. Could I ask for a browning x bolt speed LR in 6.5 cm review as well as an ammo grouping review?
I don't have any browning. Too expensive for me
I’m not sure the deer would know the difference
This video is a moot point if your state does not allow use of 22 cal projectiles medium/large game hunting.
Obviously
Speaking of hunting I watched your 10 mins video. I have a question, at what age did you start teaching your son to shoot? My son expressed interest in hunting with me and I am trying to figure out how to start him out. I printed out firearm safety rules and told him remember those first. Any suggestions?
I started all my kids and now grandkids at 8 years old.
Started mine at 12 and only after successfully passing Hunters Education.
depending on maturity of the kid, you could start teaching them with .22 rimfire anywhere from age 6 and up. You can teach them most of what is in the Hunter Education classes a year before they take the class and have them getting used to shooting the centerfire they will be using the first time out. They are growing a lot in that time frame so fitting the gun can be an issue.
Oh about 5.
Oh, yes, definitely started my kids early on with rimfire. Well before centerfire rifles and Hunter Ed. Before even dropping the hammer on a deer or taking the Hunter Ed course they had the basics down and shooting a gun was natural to them. They also respected what a gun was capable of. I have an early video or two of my son shooting his .22's. Transitioning from rimfire to centerfire was very smooth for him. NRA's Eddie Eagle program is also a great tool for the very young. A great resource.
God bless!
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-Jeff "458 Okie" from the Deerhearse Channel.
1) shot placement
2) bullet design.
3) caliber.
I like everything you did there except I hardly know anyone that does a 100-yard zero we all use 200 yard zero for hunting. Most people hunt under 300yd which at a 200 yard 0 would allow you to hold on the deer out to 300 yards.
95% of my deer are taken inside 50 yards
@@WHOTEEWHO I understand but even at a 200 yard zero doesn't even knock your inside 100 yd shots off an inch. Anywho keep up with the awesome content. I may complain a little bit but I still love all your stuff. Lol
@@robertchapman4488best to zero at 50. Gives you two zeros... @50 and @ 150-200 on way down. And, like you said about an inch high or so at 100
I zero my recurve bow at 10 yards.
I just put A ATN scope on my 223 now I can record my shots
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Milk jugs or it didn't happen!
Well now this is a interesting video and a very interesting comparison. I know for a fact that the 223 is very capable of taking whitetails as I have taken many with the 223 round. Also, one might consider armies around the world. Have used this 223 as a very formable military round and I couldn't tell you how many deaths have been contributed to the 223.
37yard zero with 223 will give you a 6" zero within 300 yards . Per navy seal shawn ryan!
All depends on scope height in relation to the bore.....as well as the speed of the round. There's a hell of a difference between sighting in an M4/M16/AR15 with a carry handle sight sitting 3inchs above bore vrs a low mounted optic 1 to 1 1/2 inches above bore. The lower you mount your sights/optics the less curvature path you'll have before your bullet reaches its target (bullets don't actually rise or rainbow, they actually start dropping as soon as they leave the end of the barrel). The curvature is actually a eye relation to the sight height and the target. The proper term is line of sight trajectory......
Which one is better? 338 lapua or 300 win mag?
338 lapua wins every category except cost and recoil
for what? .338 lapua sends a LOT more 'hurt' both down range, and into your shoulder and wallet LOL.
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The energy difference between both cartridges is very significant. There isn’t really much of a comparison there imo.
No comparison here
Are you going to take the “Backfire MOA challenge” ?
Too easy 😝
Not in Ca. For sure
Can you vs should you.😂
My son Preston Lampe use his AR 15 for caribou he shoot them at about 500-600 yards out with his ATV