The Clayton Echard paternity scandal is a disaster
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- We need to talk about the Clayton Echard paternity scandal
Editing help from Connor McDowell (@connormcdowell2)
Regina's Medium post: archive.is/12Pfh
Clayton's Justice Twitter: / claytonsjustice
Insta: / itsaustingreen
Twitter: / itsaustingreen
TikTok: / itsaustingreen
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:06 - Legal Disclaimer
02:07 - Who is Laura Owens?
02:34 - The Michael Marraccini situation
12:55 - The Greg Gillespie situation
15:33 - The Clayton Echard situation - Komedie
one of the most minor details but saying you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth and then immediately saying you started a horse business at 16 is unhinged💀
nah fr 😭😭 i was like "..okay, and how did you afford to open this business + were you the only employee for a while..?"
News: person born ultra wealthy thinks they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps - more at 11 and also every day all the time because tons of them are that kind of deluded
She's exceptional in all sorts of ways but unfortunately this isn't one of them 😔
@@alisonstevens7376 it's not unusual, but absolutely deserves to be called out for the sheer idiocy it is.
Rich people always trying to downplay their wealth. That ish is so annoying.
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 the absolutely skewed perception of the "avg person's" proximity to recreational horses is doing me in...equestrianism is expensive as hell💀
Competing in a horse jumping competition while pretending to be pregnant is actually the funniest thing ever!
Not the most impossible thing, I've know women who have done competitions while pretty pregnant. Horse people can be pretty intense. However it's wild to do so while under so much scrutiny
Not while pregnant with 'twins and a high risk pregnancy" which is what Laura claimed.@@naomiw41
What's even funnier is those who actually believe being pregnant is some kind of disability, she's pregnant, not sick lol.
@truthhurts2879 riding horses is associated with causing miscarriages, not sure how true it is but not a good look
you can ride pregnant with no issue if your not having trouble with it. she only does the hunters so its not any high level, fast sort of riding. i know alot of people who rode practically til they gave birth lol
A TED-talker, a podcaster, a horse girl. The three red flags of the apocalypse
this made me snort lmfao it’s so true
Colleen typecast
😂😂😂😂
What's the forth? What could be equal to them?
@@KaylayaKasintaya Daddy's Money?
when a video starts with a legal disclaimer you know its gonna be good
🙌 @DaveNealComedian has the whole Clayton history in videos - check his playlist , he’s done an amazing job at keeping this story in the public eye and supporting finding the truth
That’s because the podcaster has a tendency to try to sue channels….
She tries to sue channels. She’s currently suing 2 CZcamsr for covering this. She’s psychotic and he parents are too.
Idk im pretty sure alf did 911 so
Frr
the legal disclaimer went soooo hard
yooooo love your videos! Yeah, the disclaimer was very thorough, lol
Did not expect to see you here omg - love ur vids :)
Because she’s currently suing two CZcamsr for defamation for covering the story. Liz Neptune & Dave Neal.
She’s threatened Reality Steve and Nick vial as well.
lesbians unite
u r in my dream blunt rotation .❤
It's so frustrating how well abusers can use the legal system to continue and aid in their abuse.
She’s enabled by her parent’s finances and professional connections
The law downright encourages it with paternity fraud not being a crime up until recently in only a few states.
Victims are mostly male therefore no one cares
@@rustyhowe3907 Some women let anyone burst and therefore genuinely don’t know who’s the father.
@@jakestroll6518 It doesn't mean they can grab any random dude and say pay up though.
Paternity tests need to be mandatory so that it avoids this kind of legal chaos AND it means women can happily go about their current trend of larping a subway station with how many passengers run through.
It would be the ultimate win win!🏆
Using the MeToo movement to abuse people is absolutely disgusting 🤢.
Exactly what Amber Heard did
Bioessentialism is a form of misogyny and it’s as evil as the rest of it.
She’s using the way women are perceived under white supremacy to control her victims in public and victimize herself based on things about her as a person she has no control over.
Johnny Silvestri shit.
what do u think metoo was about?
@@thelmadickinson6811 the media frenzy around Depp v. Heard was fueled by a backlash against MeToo and Depp’s PR firm
It's almost like a movement that encourages people to blindly believe accusers without giving any regard to facts and evidence will attract shady people who want to accuse people without scrutiny?🙄
Wow, thank you so much for mentioning me!! You did a fantastic job summarizing all of this up. I do want to add, we found out with a recent FOIA request that she was also “desperately trying” (her words) to get a restraining order against me as well. She’s been trying to get me arrested.. mind you, I’ve never met this woman, and the only interaction we’ve had is when she has emailed me. This case needs to be out there, thank you for covering it without censoring!!
Love ya Liz for your theatrical CD reading which was rather bold but out of WTF confusion. We were all so confused in Sep 2023. You took JD’s blows like a pro!
Good luck stay safe!
Loved Megan Fox’s livestream on Laura Owens weaponizing her white tears to harass you!
She’s insane, and I hope you stay safe
That's wild.
We support you Liz! Keep doing you!
as soon as that legal disclaimer came up, I moved forward in my seat like gamers do when they get real serious
I paused to go get snacks and a beer, and proceeded to sit forward
“He won’t talk to me when i randomly ask him if I’m safe, therefore this is clearly intimidation and threatening”
HUH?!?! 💀
6 months pregnant competing in a hunter/jumper (equestrian) show? I get it, us horse people push the limits (I've ridden with a broken arm when i wasnt supposed to) but 6 months pregnant with twins AND allegedly trying to then compete under a false name . . . Far too many holes in her story.
Who WOULDN’T compete in a horse jumping competition when six months pregnant with a high risk multiples pregnancy
this woman also has epilepsy,this makes her "pregnancy" even risky
Yall just weak,I would ride a horse while giving birth to triplets...Easyy
I am a twin, at 6 months my mother looked like she was 8 months pregnant. Imagine that.
@@applespace150as an epileptic, she would have most likely had to clear becoming pregnant with her doctor before trying.
so she wants us to believe at one point she was caught reading a note like in a movie
like one of those "he's right behind me, isn't he" gags
now that i think about it.. did she write the note herself or did she have someone else write it?
@@mr.bingusthecat there are a LOT of similarities in the handwriting. I would say she wrote it herself. Like copy my homework but don't make it obvious.
The whole story is an obvious lie. Micheal seems like a kind caring man. He put up with all her and her parents’ crap while trying to break things off because he was worried she’d hurt herself. All the text messages prove the opposite of what Laura says.
@@mr.bingusthecat i believe people have studied and showed proof of handwriting similarities.not sure what's still on reddit since it's being policed closely
Her TedEx talk was beyond sensational, it was borderline cornegraphic
Laura hurt enough people and her parents seem to enable it. I hope she can find the mental health care she needs to keep herself and others safe
I was thinking the same thing about the parents.
Do we even know if that’s truly coming from her parents or maybe just her pretending? Maybe I missed something but everything seemed to be coming from email or text messages. But it is common in situations like this for parents to enable so could see that too
@@nicky740 by her parents telling Clayton he had to pacify her or she’d end herself, that’s enabling that type of behavior
@@mikki_s1100right- but I’m saying that it wasn’t even clear that THEY truly were the ones communicating that. It seemed like it was through email, which she 100% could have faked. I agree that if we know for sure they are saying things (like if Clayton said he received a phone call from them directly and heard their voices) we know they are enabling. If it’s just texts and emails it very well could be her doing whatever to try to get communication open between her and Clayton
I don’t believe it was her parents. I believe she was writing it pretending to be them to manipulate these men
I can’t help thinking Laura is mentally unwell but that’s no excuse for trying to destroy the lives and use the legal system as a well to try and force these men to continue dating her…
Honestly I’m not convinced she’s pregnant and if she is based on what he says it’s not possible for him to be the father… :/
But did he cheat, tho? If he did then he still needs punishment too. I hate cheaters who blame the women
@@Nickman1233 maybe I missed it or misunderstood but it didn't seem as if they were actually dating. I also disline cheaters who blame their partner and I'm sure the men aren't perfect angels (none of us are) but I don't think they were together. She appears to have a pattern of this behaviour and weaponises the legal system
She’s acknowledged she’s not pregnant but not explained the loss of twins at around 28th a, when it would have been a serious medical issue and provided death certificates . They were both single when they hooked up( 2x bjs in one night) once and not been involved since
She’s not well! She’s done this up to 4 times previously! Check @daveneal
@@Nickman1233 they were never dating. How is that cheating?
I kept forgetting they only engaged orally and was baffled by her claims again and again every time I remembered
Shout out to the Tonsil Twins, the BJ Babies 😂
@@yermom6760😂
It's difficult to keep track of the immensity of her deception. Lies upon lies upon lies.
The way she can make unhinged claims, such as getting pregnant from oral sex, and yet still effectively manipulate the police and legal system is astounding. So out of left field and yet so calculating. SMH
The BJ Babies! The Tonsil Twins! She’s absolutely unhinged
i didn’t research it but i can see how hypothetically it could be effective in impregnating her. i haven’t watched all of the video yet but why isn’t anyone accusing her of s*xual assault? clayton did not consent to inseminating her and i’m pretty sure in at least 1 state that’s considered SA.
she didn’t claim she got pregnant from oral sex, she claimed they had sex. clayton said it was only oral
I just heard of one crazy medical mystery where a girl without a vagina got pregnant after oral sex. But it was because she was stabbed right after so the semen in her stomach made its way to her uterus!
The scary thing is that she could get pregnant via oral -- via deliberating quickly taking stuff from her mouth to insert it. Iirc I've heard of people doing this, it's a way to trap people in a relationship they don't want :/
"I am disgusted, stunned and hurt by the cruelty of people on Reddit."
😂😂😂😂😂 Like have you ever seen reddit?
She’s called the cops on anonymous Reddit users and forums multiple times 😂
Are you for real,I am shocked by how crazy this women is,first IF YOU ARE sleeping around use protection,second do our court,police attorneys really have time for this nonsense? Get you shit together lady,find a hobby other then dragging men into your wacky world
For what, calling out a liar and conniver? Seriously?
This chick is bat💩crazy dude, the only reasons she’s not being prosecuted is A-Her family is apparently rich as hell and B-She’s a female and the courts won’t even consider it
honestly what annoys me the most about this story is how this case might gain so much traction and popularity that it'll comfort people into the belief that "so many women lie about being abused by men" especially by male celebrities. This case is wild but it's still a minority, and even though Laura probably suffers from mental health issues, this makes my blood boil for all abuse victims. It's already so hard to be heard as a victim and she made it unnecessarily harder..
(great video btw austin, thank you so much for ur hard work, and that disclaimer at the beginning of the video was clean af
Whether or not it’s a minority is debatable. People like her probably get away with it because even in this case it took dozens of internet sleuths to discover her grift. But that said, the solution is easy. We need to stop cancelling people on just allegations. Take evidence to police or file a lawsuit. Their must be incontrovertible evidence of something very serious in order to cancel someone that hasn’t had their day in court.
@@jakestroll6518Absolutely! Correct.
The court system is also historically known for being awful aswell, and its very hard to get evidence for something like rape. Its awful that women like this could do something so horrible that makes every other case questionable @jakestroll6518
@zainubsheikh8198 right? The backlog on getting a rape kit processed is INSANE and there's a large number that just turn up "missing"
That was exactly my thought. Most rape or assault allegations are true, but those few that aren't get so much attention that it can look like that is the norm. I hope she is getting help, but cases like this hurt so many more people than just the falsely accused victims.
She’s literally insane wtf how do you even THINK you could fake a pregnancy with no belly or babies 😂 got caught so many times and didn’t care
and thats what you missed on GLEE
And the fact that this is at least her THIRD time trying to do the same exact thing!! Faking a pregnancy and faking abuse THREE damn times as if no one will notice a pattern??? Does she think everyone’s dumb as a rock?! It sucks too bc people like her make it harder for ACTUAL victims to come forward and be believed. She’s a selfish POS.
Her family is very wealthy. No doubt they’ve used their finances and professional connections to keep her out of trouble
Reminds me of the case where someone faked her pregnancy and then murdered another pregnant friend and cut out her baby and told everyone it was hers (obviously didn't realise the doctors checking her would see that she didn't just give birth...in fact she didn't even have a uterus!).
@@namayra299 I was thinking that too , hoping that wasn’t her motive
When she posted a sonogram video that clearly was from a different source then claimed her ex hacked her account to post it I was CACKLING. That’s also when I knew for sure she was full of it.
She may have also included it in her .zip attachment to the Scottsdale police department when she filled out a form asserting Clayton violated her OOP. Hopefully CE’s attorney gets a hold of the .zip.
I just think there’s too many holes in her story for her to not be lying. Why wouldn’t she just show a paternity test, or if she couldn’t get one because Clayton didn’t show up, why didn’t she just get a court ordered one? Why was she out horse riding when she was allegedly pregnant? Why are there no medical records shown of either the pregnancy itself or the loss of it??
And the fact this is a pattern. She’s “pregnant with twins” AGAIN. And she does that because up until recently, you couldn’t do a prenatal paternity test on twins. Ravgen claims they can. That’s why Clayton chose to do the test with them.
She thought claiming it’s twins would give her more time to harass the guy and try to force him to date her. IMO the “relationship contract” she wrote is the most wild part of this story.
Yep, a sonogram should be suuuuper easy to produce if you're actually pregnant. She actually did steal one from youtube and photoshop it but when she was found out, she claimed one of her "exes" hacked into her computer and made it. She has no medical records, they couldn't even do the paternity test because there was no fetal DNA. She isn't stopped by reality.
In one of her various police reports, she claimed she would sign any HIPAA release forms for her medical records of her pregnancy and has so far only provided a screen shot of an appointment with an OBGYN back in summer.
She’s lying through her teeth and totally delusy
They did multiple DNA tests with a lab that can do these tests on twin pregnancies. She canceled the first one without telling him. Another was “lost in the mail.” And 2 completed tests found “little to no fetal DNA.” Because these are paternity tests and not pregnancy tests, a finding of little to no fetal DNA is the equivalent of saying there is no pregnancy
Having a miscarriage when she allegedly did requires a death certificate but that wasn't available either
its so scary and frustrating when ppl use the legal system to be abusers. it makes it so much harder for real victims to get help and be belived
Her family is wealthy and well connected. She gets away with abusing the system
Yeah and dont forgot the victims of the false allegations….
I agree! Its so evil. Those liars should be charged.
But then again there are terrible cases of victims being charged with making false allegations and it turns out later they were telling the truth. How traumatic that would be! One girl committed suicide afterwards. The guy she accused was from a rich family and told police it was consensual.
@@xcidgafno1 excluded the male victims. Deep breath.
Welcome to the party
Love that this story is getting more eyes on it and voices added. Been watching your content from the start, thank you so much for steadfastly shinning a light on this horrific situation
YES DAVE!!!
I’m so sorry you’ve had to experience this. Nobody deserves to be stalked, abused, and assaulted.
Laura might think she gets to grift MeToo because of who or what she is, and she’s wrong. Abuse doesn’t have a gender. Stay safe and good luck.
Been following your coverage from video 1! Go Dave!
I love how this channel gets straight into things, just presents facts, does it in a timeline, and with minimal opinions.
@@Frutebrute69 I think it's a play on Jerry Springer/Maury
I work in a psych hospital and this is one of the most wild stories I’ve ever heard. This woman sounds like she needs a court commitment until she can stabilize
I can't believe her parents are continuing to support her in this to the point of contacting these men she's abusing. This woman needs serious help.
It’s sounding like Borderline Personality Disorder. They’ll do anything to avoid being abandoned. And when they fail and you leave them, they decide you’re worse than the devil and should be destroyed. They even start to believe their lies about you.
I'm only halfway through the vid but, this is so awful, it makes my blood boil. This woman should absolutely be put in jail. she is clearly not well mentally and this abuse of the legal system should not go unpunished. How on earth has she been allowed to keep making these reports or filing lawsuits without it getting flagged. This whole situation is vile, my heart goes out to these poor men who have suffered at the hands of this unhinged sociopath. It's crazy how far she's gotten without being stopped, the fact that she has done this multiple times without facing any consequences is actually mind
blowing.
I always get a bit confused when people notice someone is mentally unwell but then bring up prison time as the solution. No hate to you at all, I kinda get why it’s people’s gut reaction, but prison def wouldn’t fix the emotional issues that got her there so it’d only work if she got literal life in prison. Extorting someone because they dumped you is objectively vile and should have consequences, but it sounds like an underlying issue that could be fixed if anyone in her life had ever held her accountable
While I don’t think prison would help her, mandatory psychiatric treatment might. However, her parents and her should pay all legal costs and she needs to leave these guys alone.
@@Natalia-ex8xi jail sounds like a decent way to hold her accountable. since no one else can/will. why would she need to spend life in prison for her to learn her lesson? that makes no sense
@@noodlesofoodlesit only sounds decent because the US does not have good psychiatric support centers, let alone support for criminal rehabilitation - for both people with no psychiatric issues and also for people with mental illnesses. USA is very much lacking in… in almost every psychological based treatment, especially recovery. it is a very unfortunate situation when jail is much more accessible than psychiatric treatment. and prior to the deinstitutionalization of mental hospitals, jail was sometimes safer than psychiatric facilities
@@mr.bingusthecati know all that, but those facts can’t prevent us from punishing the people who bring harm to others. as much as i wish we had a better legal/prison system and better mental health care for the population in general, in the end i see it as who should and can be among civilians without harming them. but yeah, we’re lacking in viable options
Did we miss Chase J Jones and her allegedly pretending to be a Black journalism Howard student trying to cancel Clayton?
As someone who has depression and anxiety this woman definitely has another mental illness besides just that. Depression and anxiety doesnt make you a pathological liar that stalks their exes.
Yeah, I didn't particularly like that being listed as a reason she can't be trusted. The suicide threats are more like a cluster B personality disorder, anyway.
She's definitely a yandere with the whole stalking thing, making up pregnancies to get them to stay with her when they want to leave her (also the whole suicide thing). Must be some weird attachment problem since she does this with many of her uh, boyfriends.
Personality disorders
Totally. Depression would make what she's doing rather more difficult, imo. It doesn't make you file court case after court case and send 500 texts. I'm glad to get out of bed and read the messages on my phone when depression hits. I wouldn't be running around suing people.
I'd wager histrionic personality disorder
She should never be allowed to legally change her name, future men need to be able to Google her name and avoid her. No one should go through this abuse.
Plus, police should have a note on her file about her continual compulsive lying.
i came in here not expecting to be engrossed in this story but its so wild and youre also such a good presenter
same here! enthralled
Look into Dave Neal, Reality Steve and Megan Fox! The rabbit whole goes so so deep
@@yermom6760 Dave Neal’s coverage is outstanding. Highly recommend.
i love how she sues the men, makes all kinds of accusations, just to end making comments "if only he talked to me "
“How do you lose your own game show” is so funny
Thank you for covering this - the more eyes on this case the higher chance justice will prevail. She's most definitely going to write a nicely worded legally sounding email threatening you...please don't back down. This has been a case of multiple people being terrorized by this maniac, and onlookers walking on by because they're too afraid to intervene. It's pretty demented.
Well said! 👏👏👏
I originally thought you said she claimed to be pregnant with "Clayton's twin" as in human cloning so wow am I relieved to be wrong about that.
Not for long 😂
Give her time.
the horseback riding and consuming energy drinks is crazy its like she isnt even trying to make it believable
Who is her dad? She mentioned not having been born with a silver spoon and having to start a business at 16 because his gambling debts? Wonder what dear old dad thinks about that email.
especially since her dad allegedly texted her ex about her wanting to unalive herself and asking him to stay with her... makes ya wonder 👀
Her dad is a famous former radio host, Ronn Owens
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were gambling debts. Maybe he went to a casino one time and she made up this whole story in her head.
btw, the "she's not pregnant anymore" part is weird as in it can get very criminal.
If you were almost to give birth means the window for an ab0rt10n has already closed, so she either committed a crime or she had a miscarriage, which also leads to more medical documents that they can subpoena. the only last option I can see is if she had a csection to hurry the birth and put the kids for adoption, which again, would lead to production of legal records or she would also be doing such illegally.
Idk, I only think the saying "third times the charm" and karma are such a good pairing
Her excuse is that she lost them while white water rafting in the Colorado river and because it’s shared Domain as a area no state can look into it. (Allegedly) but she’s wrong
Not I’m not making this up.
@@CrumsTheCreator Man, that whole part about "shared domain" is reminiscent of SovCit garbage arguments. It's like when people say you can't be tried for a murder committed at the four corners because the jurisdiction can't be determined, the truth is you could be prosecuted by all four states independently.
Clayton filed a motion that stipulates if she is pregnant and tries to give them up for adoption then he needs to be consulted first. He was never consulted so it didn’t happen!
Actually, it would not be medically considered a miscarriage. Past 20-21 weeks (sometimes 24 depending on where it is), it’s legally considered a still birth. Any pregnancy loss after 24 weeks WILL result in a death certificate.
Abortion. Say it. Abortion. Let's not behave like children.
Referring to ketamine as "horse tranquilizer" has "my gf goes to a different school you wouldn't know her" energy
So it sounds like if he wants to use the judicial system to get her to stop that's extortion but if she sees him and reports him multiple times for not responding, that's not?
I’m confused. She says Clayton never denied the hook up. Girl, yes he did. On legal documentation. He said that you did not have intercourse and therefore could not be pregnant. And I do find it odd that she has been pregnant by all three men. I don’t know if she’s lucky or unlucky to be so fertile. One of the men she was pregnant by after 11 days after they slept together ONCE and another again, the same 11 days but after no intercourse? And then she said she thought all men should’ve stayed with her and worked it out? They don’t even know you at that point! What is her definition of abortion coercion cause her saying you can choose what happens to the pregnancy, only if you stay with me sounds like abortion coercion, extortion and intimidation to me. All things she’s claimed the men have done to her.
The thing is, drugstore pregnancy tests are incredibly unreliable that early in the "pregnancy". The likelihood of an accurate positive test at that point is... Not Great. Which is what immediately makes me doubt it all.
Also, if I understood correctly, she claimed to be pregnant with twins at least twice and that this time she could only be pregnant with Clayton's child because she couldn't be with anyone else before the last case was closed or something. Which makes her sound like she is even more fertile.
If we assume that her claims are true, she got pregnant WITH TWINS TWICE IN A ROW after having had intercourse with a man just once, and in between those cases she had been abstinent. So .... I guess having twins is her destiny. She can't help it. Her body is just waiting for a man to come close enough for it to happen.
Thinking about it, that also explains why she could have gotten pregnant from oral sex ... 🤔
anyone else reminded of that criminal minds episode where the girl murders all her dates by stabbing them with her stiletto shoes??? the one where as soon as the man doesn’t meet her standards for a “prince charming,” she rages out and kills them.
the out of pocket, absolutely unhinged revenge against people who did something that simply hurt their feelings is what jumped out at me…. scary
Finally someone talks about this other than reddit, this lady is UNHINGED
Dave Neal, Legal Vices, The Umbrella Guy, Megan Fox, Reality Steve all are covering extensively- do check them out for more detail
You mean Reddit and Dave Neal. Dave has been covering this for a long time and got all the eyes on this.
Exactly he has covered this from the very beginning since it all started. So has Reality Steve. Court cases have been on Law Talk with Mike. Many have covered. Many of us have watched it all including court from the beginning.
Her whole family is. Her mother is in cahoots
Dave Neal, Reality Steve, Liz Neptune, and Megan Fox have also covered it. Dave has been covering it for months but it's been very under the radar until recently.
This is the type of behavior women show before they cut the baby out of another pregnant woman. I really hope she gets some help before she hurts someone (including herself).
That email she allegedly sent her mother is SO UNHINGED. It's clearly intended to read by Clayton.
Currently locked out of my car, waiting for my rescue, and this has been a great distraction. No clue who any of these people are but what a wild story.
Did u manage to get back into your car yet?
@@fishbuddy547yes, 😂 I made it home, thanks for checking in on me
2 bjs don't count as a one night stand
That’s a good casual Tuesday
Her parents should be held responsible for enabling her also
She needs to go to jail given the amount of false evidence & perjury she has committed. Fabricated evidence even in civil cases.
Austin you're a huge champ for making content warnings & "don't harass them" so up-front, unequivocal, comprehensive, & explicit. Ethical champ.
Let’s not forget, Clayton admitted to being highly intoxicated when Laura started “flirtisously” texting him and when they were “intimate” aka BJ Babies. If this situation were switched, Clayton would be called a grapist
yes! she even said herself that he was very high
Yeah that’s assault.
Things can be muddy if BOTH people are fucked up, but if one is heavily inebriated and the other isnt, the inebriated person *_cannot consent._*
It reminds me of that grapist who did interpretive dance to supposedly explain why she SA’d her former friend.
It also kind of reminds me of when homophobes and transphobes immediately jump to how THEY would never have sex with an x y z and get incredibly upset when those they’re violent against state, “we never wanted you, you aren’t appealing to us, you’re not an automatic sex bomb because of anything about your innate characteristics, go away.”
BJ babies 😂😂😂 I think that should be the name of the lifetime movie
update on this, clayton's lawyer's press release from march 7th stated that the acts were consensual and non-penetrative
ok but lets be real, why does the pregnant lady want the abusise "doesn't want to be a dad' guy to be forced to act like a father for her children? cause if a man doesn't want to be a dad, they won't be able to show love to the child and if they are already abusive to their gf's they could easily to it to their child. so why did she try to black mail him into this relationship in the first place?
That was the wildest part! She tried to blackmail him into a relationship with her by letting him choose if she would have an abortion or not? And then claiming that he’s such a horrible person that she would NEVER consider an abortion?? De faq does that mean
@@yermom6760 frfr she isn't a good person either.it's not just the guy
It’s like those squatter tenants in court who claim they aren’t paying rent because the home is uninhabitable, yet they refuse to leave and continue to inhabit the uninhabitable domicile. Make it make sense!
JESUS. It just gets worse and worse with each situation!
From experience, the legal system is very broken. My mom abused the court system several times and almost succeeded at getting a restraining order against me to prevent me from getting custody of my siblings. Even up to the moment that the state finally took them away from her, she was trying to use the legal system against me by lying. It can be very scary.
My siblings and I are good now and I do hope that we start seeing these stories as what they are. Important examples of how broken the system is for victims, minorities, and people in vulnerable positions.
My mom also suffers from mental health disabilities that were exasperated by opioids, alcohol, and other drugs. We absolutely need better healthcare.
Edit: to those wondering about how people can fake pregnancies. It’s not that difficult. My aunt did it to get money from the family and my mom tried to to get my siblings and I to listen. She literally had her tubes tied but tried for several months to convince us it was true.
It is also very very possible that she does think she is pregnant. Our bodies and minds do weird things to cope. It’s not okay, but it could be very real for her. She needs help.
She is malicious. She has done this fake pregnancy to many victims.She definitely knows what she is doing EXACTLY
I feel like he's right in wanting to make sure she doesn't get away with this. I feel like if she wasn't a public figure, she would've been one of those people who kills a pregnant women for her unborn children. She's THAT unwilling to be transparent. I don't know why her parents won't get her help if they were begging him to come back to her or risk her suicide. Anyone who threatens suicide over not being able to have whatever man she wants is not mentally capable.
Also I don't know why she pretended to care about "her twins" when she was like "I'll abort them but you HAVE to stay with me" absolute insanity.
Also, if she had sent that email to her mom and then disappeared, the police absolutely wouldn't have told her mom to wait longer. If there's a reasonable chance that the missing person - who might be pregnant also - is going to harm themselves, they are required to act immediately... absolutely twisted.
She's going to be emailing you with threats very soon. Just ignore her!
When I saw the conversation about Clayton online I didn't even look at any videos or articles because I thought it was just the typical Bachelor "15 minutes of fame" extension. This is a whole Oxygen network/Lifetime miniseries.
Wow. Surely she'll be charged w fraud soon. This is nuts. What's really wild is her mom also seems to be off her rocker. They're living in their own world.
I think L.O. used another number and said she was her mom and sent it to him. If you look at what she "was saying to her mom" it is not the right context. She wanted him to think she sent that to her mom. Scared if she un alive herself those lies would go public and he would call her to check on her. Remember she was constantly trying to talk to him but he wouldn't. Right? First time I've heard of this but thought that whole letter to mom, and mom sending it to him was very off. The stuff she was writing was for him to see definitely. Trying to plead her case for him to want to be with her or at least call her. 😂 dang, when I was a hormonal teen I've wanted a guy to call me but I couldn't even dream that one up! 😂
@@jameydupuy9280 I think so too. The letter looks so fake. Why would she explain her life to her mother in such detail? The beginning I kind of understand, but then she goes on that whole info-dump tangent about her exes, her father, and how she wasn't born rich, ending with several paragraphs of her thoughts on good fathers or something.
I'm not even sure it was her father asking her ex to go on that trip with her.
omfg this woman is a straight up Lifetime Movie stalker
I've only heard about this in a short video, but hearing all the details is astonishing. I do not understand how someone can be this unhinged, manipulative, and evil. The lies and the gaslighting. I hope she gets help. Her family is not helping her.
@davenealcomedian has an entire CZcams playlist from the beginning on this. He was the only one covering this for months
When the legal disclaimer came up, I said "now why is he saying this?" Well... now I know why. Damn.
Thanks for mentioning Dave Neal! He's been an initrical part in this case & has suffered greatly because of it.
As of 2/10/24, Laura & Dave signed papers to drop harassment. Within hours she posted a rant about Dave "inciting" crap against her. 🙄🙄 This insufferable woman needs a good a$$ woopin' by the Judge!!
I hope your legal disclaimer works.
Laura Owens has a pattern of taking EVERYONE to court that tells this story.
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as random fyi "Regina Phalange" (pronounced Fa-lan-gee) is Phoebe's go to fake name on the tv show Friends. I had a hard time listening to that name being read like it was real and not a Friends hommage :)
Haha I was just listening while I cleaned & had to rewind to see if I hallucinated hearing Regina Phalange
Didn't Phoebe, also, get her name legally chaged to 'Princess Consula Banana Hammock', when she found out you could legally change your name for $100 [at the time]. 😂😂
As someone raised by a single mom that whole email made me do a double take. That just felt WILDLY offensive to single mothers who do raise their kids with no interaction with the father.
I've been following this insane story since September. You did a great summary, but you left out one of the most insane parts: The Dating Contract
The part where she was trying to convince Clayton to have an intimate relationship with her and how “good it would feel” 🤮
@@yermom6760oh yes! The elasticity of her V! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@@yermom6760 wtf did I just read 💀lmaooo
@@perlyshellIn one of her Jun 2023 proposed dating contracts, she stated she had not had sex since a Mar 2022 “rape” so she was real “tight.” Ironically, she admitted they did not have intercourse.
@@marythecoolcat🤮 not to your comment but to this person ugghh
I genuinely didn't think this story would be this crazy, but holy shit. This woman is absolutely mad. She knows exactly what to do to manipulate men and the legal system while acting as if she 100% believes everything she is saying. Honestly, I really appreciate the redditors and others who screen grab and download videos, I can see how it can get rabbit hole-ish if you're just obsessively documenting things others do, but with the rise in harassment via DMCA takedowns and unethical lawyers issuing bs C&Ds (and the fact that sites are utterly spineless and goes along with it), it's really helpful that these receipts are kept
not sure if you know but “regina phalange” is in reference to phoebe on friends. it’s an alter ego of hers.
fr i clocked that so fast and got concerned
Of course it's a terrible thing to accuse a victim of abuse to be lying. Of course it's a terrible thing to say to a woman who claims to be pregnant "prove it" but when you look at the whole picture; the pattern of behavior; the fact that when disputed instead of showing proof that would not be hard to obtain she throws more and more fuel to the theories that it's all a farce....she could have fixed this many times. She would have had everyone on her side. Clayton did not have a "bachelor army" blindly supporting him from the beginning he was already on thin ice with bachelor nation and the fans. She created a wildfire that she could put out as easily as she started it. I hope she gets the help she clearly needs and I wish everyone peace.
I agree with you but I don't understand why saying "prove it" to a woman who claims to be pregnant is terrible. It's pretty easily provable.
@@Aaron-kj8dv I guess what I meant was to automatically accuse her of not being pregnant in a ordinary situation its messed up thing to be put through for a woman who is indeed pregnant.
I find it p wild that she thinks it's a good story that she has aborted before with longer term boyfriends, but decided to keep TWINS with a one night stand and expected him to have a presence- or become long term if she aborted.
Believe all women. Unless she is like this. Her lies hurts women and men. I know so many people who were actually abuse, that never got reported or the justice they deserve.
I think one of the reasons she got away with it so long is her and her family are rich. Who has time to sue and make all these false reports, unless you got time and aren't worried about money. She competes in horse shows, trust me that isn't cheap. It gives very much "my father gave a small loan of a million dollars" vibes.
Maybe give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but require credible evidence before socially crucifying people and legally abusing them
Absolutely, support victims but don’t do so blindly, also look at the facts! Abusers will do their best to depict themselves as victims and make all victims look bad 💔
Believe all women was always a flawed slogan. Words like “all” can’t be used when caveats must be applied. Women like Laura Owens, Amber Heard, Jodi Arias, Casey Anthony and many others exist. They are still the vast minority. But they exist and they have victims. Therefore “believe all women” was never a credible slogan. It should be and should always have been “believe all victims.”
@@WoodlandT That's because it was never the slogan. The slogan was "believe women." Rightwing media changed it to strawman the movement.
Never "all" for anything. Anyone can lie for any reason. Believe but fact check, always.
Lol that legal disclaimer. Go Austin!
😞 pronounced. EK-KERD THANK YOU for promoting this story history for the books. Thanks to Dave Neal
The incorrect pronunciation is driving me mad
Yeah I was totally confused by that part 😂
this is a lifetime move plot omfg
I’d watch it.
Oh my gosh this is unhinged behavior. I hope Clayton's camp gets the subpoena they want for her medical records. Lying to this degree and ruining someone's reputation SHOULD have consequences.
Also, at this point, her family should have some responsibility with this situation. I know she's an adult, but her family just seems to go along with her actions.
Thank you for covering this! It's so hard getting anyone to cover it
just subscribed after watching a few videos . You're pretty level headed, that's rare
Totally agree, i feel like a lot of youtubers in this genre can be excessively loud, I much prefer Austin’s calmer tone of voice and the overall way he presents his videos.
@@heartsforbrendame too
I’m so glad more people are finally covering this awful story. It appears Clayton is her 5th target, the fifth man she’s tried to coerce into a relationship through all manner of threats, fake pregnancy claims and ficticous claims of abuse. It’s the perfect formula to destroy men in this day & age. It has been so far anyway. But Clayton and Dave Neal are bravely standing up to her, at great financial cost to themselves.
As we know sunlight is the best disinfectant. Videos like this and others, finally telling the truth, are helping to hold her lies out in the light for the world to see. She must be stopped and I believe she will be
Austin I really appreciate your videos recapping scandals like this! I feel like you do a good job presenting information in a pretty neutral way that shows plenty of documentation and proof. And you do a great job of breaking down really complicated internet scandals in a straightforward way that covers all the information! But most importantly yuou present the facts first and foremost without any spin or sensationalism and always cite your sources. Really great work! I love your channel!
Imagine having such a high level of BS that Regina Phalange masters travel of the multiiverse just to write an article about you before returning to her Friends at the cafe.
😂only fans of the friends show get this
Experiencing suicidal ideation is very serious and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, however the way she and her parents have been handling her supposed suicidal thoughts by trying to pressure her ex to talk to her makes zero sense, and no credible therapist would recommend involving some third party if she really was in a crisis and genuinely needing help. I think she does need help because her behavior is not okay, and again her “ex” who she never really dated is not in anyway even qualified to be the solution. Also sadly not to be harsh, even if she was pregnant by some guy who ditched her girl, get in fucking line that’s a reality for women everyday around the world including America. You can not force someone to take responsibility and even when men are ordered to pay child support they can simply not pay it and there’s nothing you can do.
REGINA PHALANGE phoebe df are u doing here 😭
i was looking for this!! i clocked that so fast omg
My favorite part of your videos is the “hi I’m Austin” part it’s adorable
To go through all of this, so many times. I know this woman has to be exhausted. I hope she gets the mental health help she needs
This woman is every parents nightmare
Be careful!!! This woman's picture shows up in the dictionary under litigious. She sues everyone who talks about this. --Dave Neal has been posting about this for a while and he is on a flight to court in CA right now.
This was an absolutely wild ride. I can’t believe I missed all this while I lived in Scottsdale!
To me, this comes across as a cluster B personality disorder. (Fully educational, not diagnosing)
As someone diagnosed with BPD, this hits a little too close as something I could easily fall down the path of if I were to slip on my mental health. Especially with the lying so deeply that even she believes, that’s often found in cluster B personality disorders, the suicidal threats, the victim mentality, all of it lines up pretty well and I wouldn’t be surprised is she was diagnosed with BPD or HPD in particular.
Hope she gets the help she needs and leaves these poor men alone. Hope the men find peace and solace knowing that she is most likely very mentally unwell.
It sounds a lot like a cluster B personality disorder to me as well. I feel she leans more closely to NPD, but it can be hard to tell without professional diagnosis because of how much overlap there can be in behavior between cluster B personality disorders.
Definitely feels like she believed some of what she was saying. I don't know how anyone who was 100% aware and maliciously lying would take so many DNA tests knowing what the results would be.
It took me less then 2 minutes to realize that she was an adult bully
your videos are always insanely well-researched and beautifully worded!! can't wait for the next one :)
Thank you for covering this!!
'allegedly' was said so many times I was temped to make it a drinking game, but didn't want to go to the ER, LMAO. totally understand why, though. great video laying out the whole timeline, your voice is always calming to listen to while i do other things around the house. absolutely wild case, i wonder how it will develop further.
7:50 The idea that she has been hospitalized for depression and is on medication for such should have no bearing on anything. I am on medication for anxiety and depression, and have been suicidal in the past, but that doesn't and shouldn't mean I should be taken less seriously as a result if I claim someone is being abusive towards me.
It's incredibly relevant. She attempts to paint herself as mentally stable, and her victims as unstable. Also it's relevant to court documents and text messages indicating that she was leveraging self harm in order to get her way. It shouldn't come as that much of a shock that psychiatric medication is prescribed, in many if not most cases, for mental instability. That's not a dis, it's a fact. The video is not suggesting "because she's on medication she's probably lying". You're suggesting that. The author is painting a complete picture, that's all.
There should be a disclaimer related to that in general because abuse often causes depression and anxiety. So it should not be used as a tool to negate victims.
@@just1desi It's not being used as a tool to negate victims. It's relevant information for the reasons I pointed out.
I never heard of these people until today. This is an hour of my life I can never get back 😢
found your channel yesterday and couldnt be happier, it distracts me so much from my real life issues, thanks ❤ new subscriber & fan here
thank you for changing the thumbnail!
How long before this video gets taken down because Laura will definitely try to get you embroiled in legal proceedings.
Please keep posting long form videos, I love binging your channel ❤
Amazing recap. It's be great if you could add an update with all the events since.
Thanks for posting this!😢
Regina Phelange being treated as if it's a real name is hilarious