MotoGP V.S. WorldSBK: The Crucial Detail That Sets Them Apart
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- čas přidán 16. 12. 2023
- MotoGP V.S. WorldSBK: The Crucial Detail That Sets Them Apart
For us motorbike racing enthusiasts, there are two big names that dominate the scene: MotoGP and World Superbikes. While they might look similar if you're just flipping through channels, they're quite different once you get into the details. Let’s dive into these differences and really understand what sets these two apart.
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As someone who is new to both WSBK and MotoGp, videos like this are a God send. Thank you.
If you are American, MotoAmerica is also pretty good racing, in my opinion
dude this infos are wrong lol
Moto GP is protype race, SBK is for tuned roadbikes.
Got to remember that WSBK does have 3 races a weekend. So the amount of racing between the two series is actually pretty similar. Up until this season, it was WSBK which has significantly more racing every season than MotoGP.
WSBK is 1-2 sec a lap not 2-3, WSBK is better to watch on TV due to the sliding and drifting, the downforce is ruining MotoGP.
Dude you cant out that much down force on those little wings. Period.
@@claudemaggard7162 dude, carbon fibre might be stronger than you think. Most teams share aero development with F1 but there's no option for ground effect with bikes so it just creates dirty air which badly effects the following bikes. It's faster but now less of a racing and riding spectacle.
@@brutusoftroy2810 what is the benefit of the wings in terms of time?
@@Kurikost_ downforce keeps the tyres pushed against the ground to give you more grip.
But motogp is better at marketing. I somehow am more hooked with the riders even tho the racing might be worse. (Tho we got same awsome battles in both series this year)
Both Motogp & WSBK are super! & Both are very entertaining, & both are needed! & important in the motorcycle world 🌎. Also there total differences is what makes them unique, & so fabulous. & a want to watch sport! Things wouldn't be entertaining & appealing if things were not different!
MotoGP does not race at Imola. Both race at Motorland Aragon and Montmelo, though...
Catalunya Lap Lecord
motogp: 38.686
wsbk: :39.489
I actually re-watched when Nicky Hayden sealed the title in Valencia 2006 last night and I really miss the bikes of those days, where the rider meant a lot more back then, not who has the better aero and electronics package like today. WSBK is a better watch today in my opinion.
Rider still means a lot in motorcycle racing. Acosta show the world that he schooled all ktm riders, 2 multiple world champions at portimao. Marc is carrying gp23 legacy against current ducati machine and other factories while fellow gp23 riders struggling in mid pack. Rider will always make a difference in bike racing.
But racing has always been like that. Why do you think some bikes were quicker than others. Not just down to the rider. Marquez has shown that.
The frames are much stiffer in Motogp. One of the biggest differences. Both are great to watch.
And pneumatic valves, and aero on sides for holding down during cornering, and and
@@zulucrotchrocket4769 wow smart baby 😮
MotoGp mirrors F1. The new aero technology is a perfect example. Im not a big fan of the new motogp bike look. But it's amazing how much technology is crammed into those bikes. As they said in this video, worth up to 3 million dollars. Thats pretty crazy.
The cost reflects the manufacturers research and development effort and the design, build and test effort that they make. The MotoGP rules allow few evolutions of the bike so these must be thoroughly tested before these valuable limited evolutions are submitted for FIM evaluation before race use. So that is very different to racing a production bike.
@@lonpfrb What stunned me the most was the sophistication of the electrics. An ECU can control the speed of rotation of each wheel independently, the throttle position, suspension paths, incline angles, etc. A Motogp bike is equipped with dozens of different sensors. To a casual observer that sounds like rocket science. I'm a long time F1 fan, & I'm still very impressed with MotoGP. And just after a few months of watching tons of the videos on CZcams I'm hooked.
I was a big motogp fan and racing in general but in the last ten years or so I've been more interested in WSBK'S thats where the best racing is. GP has to many riders aid id love to see GP riders today go out on the 500 2strokes even for one session that would sort riders from the gamers.
You really think that MotoGP riders can't ride an old school 2 stroke?
Agreed. Rider aids have levelled the field to the point where it has almost become boring. The 1000cc four stroke is a much more smooth and forgiving beast compared to the animal that was the 500cc two stroke. Stick Marquez on a 500 in his prime and he’d be lucky to finish a race along with many of the younger riders today.
The excitement in WorldSBK is intense ! respect all riders!
A lot of people are comparing motogp to f1, but every time they fail to mention that wsbk has a car racing counterpart too, the grand touring races like gt3 where, like in wsbk, the machines are based on mass-produced vechiles and modified for race with a lot of flexibility in the powerplant unlike f1.
Do t forget that every WSBK race is always a TWO RACE weekend. Actually 3, when you include Superpole.
Great explanation 👍 thanks
Great stuff, now can you provide an explanation of WSBK sessions as they don't appear to be anything like MotoGP. Eg what are the practice sessions, qualifying, superpole et al. Thanks
Superpole race is on Saturday then 2 races on Sunday superpole is like a sprint race
WSBK bikes are not really close to production bikes. They change almost everything and end up costing several times more than a production bike. As you mentioned, a WSBK bike costs 250-300k dollars. A production bike will cost around 30k dollars...
However it is still production, not prototype racing. The race bike still has to appear like the production bike available for public sale, even limited edition homologation variants [V4R, R1M, CBR-1000RR-R SP, ZX-10RR] The research and development costs are sunk into the production variants with additional effort especially testing for the homologation race specials. However the race team doesn't get the factory engineers on site like MotoGP.
Crew Chiefs, Suspensions Specialist, Data Logging and expert Mech Eng all add up to a significant cost allocated to each production race bike, along with a significant parts inventory and transport/facilities people too.
Starting with a homologation production bike at $50k changing the exhaust, suspension and brakes for race parts then going testing pre-season is soon going to take $250k along with the crash damage.
Agree. People say wsbk are production bike as if all you need to do is put on some light and stand thats it. Read to write on road.
Lol. No
They literally take apart the whole motorcycle. Rewire the whole system, change the engine part, make specific parts that's aren't available to public.
They're not just tuned in bike. Remember WSBK also have direct factory support team too.
One thing in common is honda has the worst bike in both motogp and wsbk lolol
World superbike is much more entertaining.
Wsbk is much MORE interesting like Moto GP...love WSBK
This year WSBK is interesting so far, but previous years - not quite. It was always Bautista, Razgatlioglu, Rhea in front... Locatelli, A.Lowes aways behind. MotoGP a bit more unpredictable. And there is always something like Moto3.
yup, the last lap can have some drastic changes in the stack
2:06 the true cost difference is in the catagory, one is Production, one is Experimental
I want 500cc two strokes back. And dump all the electronic learner wheels.
If you look back at how spread out the racing was then, with riders being lapped. It was spectacular, but racing is closer now.
There’s more camaraderie in MotoGP since many went through the same race academies. However, both are fantastic spectacles.
Great job.
'As a fan' I hope Carmelo reads this as a bit of a rant; I've bought a MotoGP video pass every year since timing passes were included in the price. I follow ASBK, BSB, and MotoAmerica on youtube whenever notices pops up. This year I bought a WSBK subscription and dropped the MotoGP. Top tier racing isn't about racing anymore. It's about who is linked to an F1 aero development team and who has the most innovative electrical engineers. This racing is as boring as a late era Bernie Ecclestone car race. Marquez has already told you you are losing the fan base because development dollars have superseded skill and cojones.We know you can afford to lose a few fans who don't agree with your business plan. Just look in the stands.
WSBK is an absolute joke bro
Andddddddd... You did lost some of the best races in years in MotoGP already
@@ins0mniac756 Lol … no, I caved and bought the subscription after I saw the WSBK calendar
MotoGP doesn't do Imola.
Really nice video
Thanks!
SBL has half amount of rounds but there are 2 races per round plus a 3rd points scoring mini race called superpole. So it evens out. Ever after the introduction of GP sprints.
Can anyone suggest me one race of wsbk where a twin cylinder is racing against inline 4
What do you mean?
Just watch any wsbk race pre 2018 when ducati ran their twin.
ban aero from motoGP please, it ruined F1 and is now ruining motoGP as well
we as audience don't care about a 2 seconds difference per lap, we wanna see the riders battling each other on corners, sliding and and drifting around trying their hardest to get an edge on their competitor
Always prefurred WSB, tuned up real bikes that you can buy. MotoGP was always 500 2-stroke and personally I dont think they should have been able to switch to 4-stroke.
Im new to WSBK and would like to learn every aspect of it. Would be cool if you could do a series on it
If you new to world superbikes, you need to look at imola with Edwards and Baylis. For the championship, last round. Probably some of the best racing you will see.
I can't remember what year, about 20 years ago,
@@StoffelDilligas Awesome thank you
@@StoffelDilligas 2002
@@myrlenenaidoo9961 yep that's the year. Superb racing with great sportsmanship.
Well worth a look at the top national SBK series too. Great racing and often the feeder series for WSBK. ISBK, JSBK and BSBK stand out as can be seen from the nationalities in WSBK.
TY 👍
MotoGP limited to 81mm bore to get their 1000cc. This is a significant restriction and means the rev limit and thus power levels are comparable
I love MOTOGP,WSBK,Rally,F1,WRC
Sadly hardly any fans at wsb= no atmosphere, great for tv though
Pneumatic valves are a big thing that sets them apart
Seem-less shift gearbox also only in MotoGP.
@@lonpfrb true. Point of note, some wsbk/bsb/MotoA teams are running a “neutral lock out” on certain gearboxes to eliminate false neutrals. A bit of trickle-down tech that I was suprised to be allowed in sbk rules but really cool to see it none the less
No ones commented on it yet so i'll be that guy...
Its pronounced
" ah crop o vich "
not "akra po vick"
(we all say or have said it wrong, myself included for years, unless you're Slovenian or just know)
isle of man TT on the corner😂😂😂
MotoGP and WSBK are governed by FIM not FIA
Motogp in imola?
So in short: MotoGP is the 2 wheel equivalent to Formula1, while WSBK is the equivalent to GT-series racing?
There should be a World Super Trike championship
I'm a seasoned viewer since 2001...and a Rossi fan, but now, it would be his Team...VR46 💥🔥🤘🏼❤️🇮🇳
0:47 MotoGP doesn't race on IMOLA.
Portimão too
Another big difference that might be coming is the same company that bought F1 is bidding for MotoGP. It'll be a damn shame if the sale goes through
And then you have the Northwest 200, Cookstown 100, Macau GP and of course the peerless Isle of Man TT.... None of which will have a MotoGP rider racing🤔🤔🤔 ( nor a WSBK rider either tho i may be mistaken?
WSBK is based on street legal bikes you can buy. MOTOGP is like F1; the BEST technology and the BEST power/weight ratio. The technology trickles down from GP, eventually down to production road bikes ie. ABS,T/C, carbon fibre, Fuel injection etc. pretty simple really.
As someone who enjoy WRC, WSBK is like WRC. WRC stated that the manufacturer must sell this numbers of cars model (I forgot how many) to join WRC. Then you can modify and tune it based on regulations. That's why you can buy any WRC car.
300 hp is insane for a bike 😮😮😮
both motogp and sbk were most interesting prior to winglets...just watch any race without having it, overtaking galore!
Somone please explain... Factory, satellite, etc.
Factory has more resources. More, and usually the best engineers behind the scenes. Larger budgets. They get new updates, usually sooner, primarily in aerodynamics. In GP, the satellite teams have the same equipment, except some teams get last year models. Ex. Pramac gets this years bikes, and challenged for the championship last year (2nd in rider championship). Vr46 has last years models, but came in third last year in rider championship. In my opinion, this makes it really great to watch. It hasn’t always been like this in the past satellite teams rarely won, and had inferior equipment (especially when they had multiple tire manufacturers). This trend has bled over to worldsbk for most teams. The budgets have bigger gaps in super bike teams primarily behind the scenes. (Engineers, and talent) Best pilots in worldsbk end up on factory teams. In Motogp 10-12 different riders could end up on the podium. Of course there are outliers, especially in worldsbk. (Especially if they are on a Ducati). Ex. Iannone, and Petrucci, both of which are ex MotoGP.) (Ducati is dominating in both categories the last couple of years)
@@zulucrotchrocket4769 legend. I've just started following both and it's brilliant. I'm watching older seasons too.
So whats the laptimes of moto2 v wsbk ?
Slower.
@61js what is slower ? By how much? You have no idea do you 🤣
MotoGP doesn't go to Imola.
MotoGP everthing is x10
Imola? Uhh, no
The biggest difference is VR46
IF Rossi was in SBK instead of motogp the popularity could be in WSBK favor
That's why Biaggi run to WSBK to win somthing again after being battered by VR46 in MotoGP for years
WSBK is more exciting to watch.
BSB is more entertaining then both
Motogp don't race at imola
MotoGP teams don't have equal electronics Yamaha is lagging behind
I have found that some heavier bikes, handle really well . Some light bikes, can feel “skittish” in corners. And can give very “vague” “feedback” So the slightly heavier WSB machines, can make up time, by being easier to ride. In my view? Machines can be too lightweight, and have too much power, for the frame to handle?
Just pointing the obvious 😂
The fact you don’t know that WSBK runs 3 races a weekend (36 races) tells me you shouldn’t be talking on this subject.
I prefer BSK , but WSBK is ait
Two more staggering differences:
1. MotoGP bikes became as ugly as
2. WorldSBK is more fun to watch
Bonus: *sprint races .... pf, they could spare us
A very small detail; one is based on a road bike and the other an always evolving prototype .. i know, a very small detail
Ah - crop- a - vitch . Not ak - rah - poe - vic.
it's easier, motogp has Marc Márquez so Motogp is better
WorldSBK >>>>>>>>>>>>
Moto gp has just turned into an engineering showcase. Wsbk is better.
MotoGP is broken by aero. WSBK is broken by RPM limits and Dorna cheating for Ducati.
Ok clueless clown 🤡
Wsbk top1😂😂
Motogp is f1 on 2 wheels
Why?
If they keep pushing moto GP into this F1esque absurd competition they will have races as boring as F1's. Keep bikes simple but safe.
it's pronounced uh-crop-o-vich
I’m a motogp guy
expensive bike vs
toy bikes 😂😂😂
why giving too much wrong information?
content bruuu 😂
Motogp is becoming a bit yawn.. Too many rider aids..
Specially from Spain.I thing from one country they should allow maximum 2 or 3 riders
It should be 15 riders in a grand pix and country number should be limited then it would be fun
@@jokervsbatman5746 So a rider should be punished for being born in a specific country despite being better? LOL
If they are the best they deserve to be there !!!
@@mrbroculhaThey're the best atm for sure, but what is not ok is the reason why: Dorna invested much more in their home country's youth competitons and structures than anywhere else
@@ins0mniac756 That's normal, totally normal. Dorna being Italian will have more influence and ease of access in there than anywhere else that is further away.