When Cheating Was Legal in MotoGP
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
- In MotoGP or any racing series. If you get caught not following the pages and pages of rules and regulations, you get penalized. There's no exceptions. It's as simple as that.
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Riding on the track myself I think riders should be able to set tyre pressures to their liking, it's a very individual thing. The same tyre might need different pressures depending on the machinery, riding style, weight distribution, etc. therefore ditching this rule would ensure that each rider is able to extract the maximum grip and performance from the tyres, based on their setup.
Exactly, the manufacturer limits tyre pressure based on what they feel is a safe operating window. Go outside of that and if the tyre explodes, it's on the rider? Team? Manufacturer?
Rules are there for a reason, not just for the sake of a rule.
All in all, pointless video to be fair.
Tire pressure regulations arestupid. A team should be able to run whatever they think is safe and fast. If they have a blowout at 150mph because they tried to run 14psi, that’s on the engineer. The tire manufacture should state the “blowout” limit and the trans should decide how close they want to push the envelope.
You forgot to mention that pressures fluctuate throughout the race. Think of Quartararo in the Jerez Sprint this year, he was starting for LAST ROW and obviously was expecting to be riding in the pack. Following other bikes, your tires inflate much more and that determines the strategy chosen by the team; but Quartararo had a great start and was at around 12th place when everyone in front started crashing, leaving a big gap in front of him. At that point his tires' pressure went down and he received a BRUTAL penalty for a Sprint race.
These penalties are a way to artificially affect the result of races, but the finger shouldn't be pointed at the "big bad teams that want to cheat" but to Michelin's inability to build a tire that won't be affected so much by dirty air.
I know next to nothing about Moto GP. Why do the tires inflate more in a pack? Dirty air? More braking? Hotter track?
@@T4gProd Dirty air. With the development of more and more aerodinamic wings both on the front and rear of the bikes, the air flows have become crucial on track and it's harder to follow each other, causing harder handling and braking. The more bikes spewing hot air in your face, the more the front tire will inflate and become unstable. In fact it's not rare to see someone who might have started on the front lose all their speed because one or two bike got in front of them, disrupting their rythm.
@@giuseppeprofiti6823 Ah OK, thanks! I figured aero has to have something to do with it, but I didn't know how important it is in Moto GP compared to say F1.
Did Quartararo crash? No. There you go.
Exactly my point.. I wouldn't even consider a few crashes to force a change.. of only a few riders (not one) died due to tyre pressure or tyre failures then it's worth considering
But they would blame michelin if that crash happen 💀
They should implement a cost cap and then go "do what you want"
So the only rule is "you can only spend this much". Nothing more
No tyre pressure regulation, No top revs (redline) regulation, No engine setup regulation, e.g.V5, ban huge aero, Ducatis starts from the rear... :)
Lmao this would be horrendous, besides the ducatis starting from the rear which is simply stupid
Now you have me wondering what pressures I should run on my street bike when navigating the twistys with my friends.
What the manufacturers recommend. They've spent a fortune developing the bike. They'd know best.
Track use is a different story, heat generated is greater, and track surfaces generally offer greater grip (in the UK anyway, can't speak regarding tracks anywhere else)
Nothing close to track spec. At most I drop to 30/30. Anything less is asking for serious problems
its a personal thing i run 30 front and 28 on my zx6r but thats just me my twin brother same weight runs higher 31 front 30 rear its what you are comfortable with
"When cheaters are caught, they get punished, no exceptions" yeah, they just let Marc get away with whatever and put an 8 second penalty over tire pressure on someone else.
I like how this channel and content is doing, much like in f1 there are guys like tommo and aldas who gives their thoughts sort of like a community to discuss things for motogp there is very little people who does that maybe you should take on the baton and create content regards to the race and tech and polls this is the perfect opportunity and marc on ducati and pedro acosta coming through this will be a huge opportunity for this channel hope to see more quality motogp content ❤
Aye.. this is the video i requested, thank you so much for making it 😂 but yeah completely agree even before the tyre pressure issue heating up this French based brand is hated by the rider because its simply being "not suitable for racing" thats why when there is two tyre manufactures in MotoGP most of the factory team use Bridgestone.
I agree with you about their shitty tyres, but saying "Michelin is not suitable for racing" is an insult to their racing history
@@renatocellini9782 i dont mean to put it that way, what i say is when there are two tyre manufactures in MotoGP and that almost 20 years ago. Now they are improving alot im pretty sure of that, thats why we see so many great races like in COTA and Jerez in this season alone is one of them.
They updated the rule this year to give a bigger window and I think it's worked well this far, but be curious how it goes on some tracks later this season
No one was cheating . The tires are over heating and the teams where lowering pressure so the high heat did not blow tires . FYI manufacturers did not lower pressurers enough to gain an advantage of higher grip
Just discovered your channel. I like the content. Keep it up!
Why was Fabio DSQ in Motegi 18 because of tire pressure infringement (which led to Pecco winning btw) but not Pecco in Jerez 22? If its about Pecco, Rossi always got his fingers involved.
Bro, just a tip: "mee-shl-en" and Pecco "ba-gna-ya"
The best way to break the rules, is to follow the rules. Everything else is just the scrutiny marshalls imagination😂😂
They should switch back to Bridgestone. It’s a better tire anyway.
actually there were many years from the application of the rule up to the application of the penalties because all the teams were struggling to keep the pressure in the right range. This happens because you can choose the pressure before placing the tire in the in bike, but not during the race.
So, if all the teams are "struggling" to comply with a tyre pressure requirement, is the requirement reasonable? Teams now are forced to guess whether the bike will be running out front or caught in the pack, and set the pressure accordingly due to variations in air temperature
I think they should have less restrictions about bikes so we get new and innovative or even technological breakthroughs with all the crazy bikes we get and instead add more restrictions funding wise so everyone is in an even ground
great video, thx!
The Bridgestones were less sensitive to tyre pressure
How big of a factor are the external factors, like could a team be pushed into cheating due to track/air temp or wind or riding style or something else if they were right on the edge of the pressure limits, then the external factors push them past the limits?
I'm genuinely curious. I do think the pressure limits are neded for safety, or, Michelin need to make a decent tire for the top class, work with the manufacturers to come up with a solution that works for all parties
This kind of penalty sucks, because you can never be sure that the result you see in a race is going to stay the same after the end of the race. They should just impose a lower limit to the mass of air inside the tyre so that the pressure can never reach dangerously low pressures. That way, you keep the riders safe and you remove post-race penalties changing the outcome.
No tyre pressure regulations. . no Michelin tyres. Get a new tyre brand that isn't as sensitive albeit the times drop a bit.
Michlein acts like they they know something when all the did is engineer and build every aspect of the tire...how the hell does that make them the expert obviously riders and team techs know better....who cares if they no nothing about the chemistry and engineering
hi, you need to upgrde your audio quality
if money is sole factor on who made the best bike honda would be ...way.. ahead as they have a budget thats double of euro manufactures ... honda has the worst bike with the weakest engineering
this video about a 30 second fun fact turned into a 10 minute explanation of what “rule” means and what a tire is and allat you just wasted my time
MotoGP should just dump Michelin as the tyre supplier and get Pirelli for tyres. If they can't make a tyre that lasts, they shouldn't sell them to the premier class. Simple as that.
i dont think they should get Bridgestone instead
Nah, Michelin is better. My experience with Pirelli both in Asphalt and dirt are quite the pain in my arse
@@literallyhuman5990racing tyres are nothing like street tyres
@@ShidNoh it's racing tires. Though I raced at the grassroots level, but my experience with Pirelli was horrendous.
The dirt tires lost knobs after 3 hours of Enduro and the diablorosso gave up after abusing it for 2 days.
Even in wets and deep muds, Michelin has the edge. It's not just me though, it's a lot of people experiencing that. Some even replace their Pirelli with Dunlop and Bridgestone with some dirtbike and sumo prefer MAXXIS and Kenda
Go back to multiple tyre manufacturers.
Development, research and competition will produce better final product.
Go back to Bridgestone tyres
When?? The Italian brands cheat like hell and the fim helps them. The fim can't stand how dominant the Japanese brands have always been so they helped Aprilia and Ducati get to the front. Why do you think that as soon as they enforced the "controlled ECUs", all of a sudden Ducati and Aprilia had the most horsepower by some margin. Its a joke, look at the fims bias in formula one with Ferrari, Ferrari gets away with murder
This is a "not very informative" video. U missed half of the key elements. 1) Tire pressure has always been measured with cold tires, Michelin is forcing everyone to measure it with hot tires. 2) tire pressure depends by the race conditions. Are u leading or following? With such sensitive tires, if u plan to leading and find yourself following, the pressure skyrockets. And u cannot know which situation you'll be. Plus, riders can do nothing about tire pressure during the race. This whole problem is crafted by Michelin and theirs paper tires
Fix your lip sinc