The Difference Between GOOD & BAD Supports in SEASON 13
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"GOOD" support : helps team while staying safe. "Bad" support: dies trying to over help team.
That's not quite right though. The issue here is more, don't die with your team because your team makes a mistake. You're not there to make them feel better for dying with them just because they think you dying with them means you're doing your job.
yeah, but all this video is gonna do is make supports who enter and leave a fight with 100% health and mana think they "played it right"
if your team gets aced and you have 100% health and mana.
and every game you bitch about how bad your team is. at some point you have to realize.
maybe its me.
@@beatles42ohgg94 *if* they really paid attention and understood what was being communicated by for example actually watching the complete video and not reading overly exaggerated comments in the chat section, they'd understand that it's about valuing your own safety so you can actually have impact in the game rather than dying for dumb causes. It's literally the same thing for adc's or any other damage dealer btw, because a dead x is useless no matter what role you play.
Bad supports that hug turret all game are going to watch this and say "I don't die, I'm a good support!"
The majority of bad supports have no idea over what they should be doing with their team whether they should be pushing, freezing, ward, roam, etc. They just hug turret and soak xp all lane they don't step up with their adc to poke or trade or get vision. But they have made several videos for several years now on that subject and bad supports still do these things.
This video will help bad supports validate their playstyle I think.
@@NicholasBalanta Again, that assumes they don't even understand what the video is about, and if they're so bad they can't even understand the point of the video, your comment about them watching this or not has absolutely no bearing on their gameplay.
You need to stop the hyperbole and assume everyone is stupid. It's not helpful whatsoever and especially not towards the community.
6:35 is the bane of my games in plat. Adc, who dont look at the map, greed for plates, dont even listen to pings because enemy mid or jg are seen from miles away. And yet, they get so angry that they die XD
I've been a main support/healer in games for around 17years at this point, in any game (i've been on league for 5), supporting have some general rules.
-A support death is very impactful, everything can go south very fast since often we are multiplying or denying damage, when the team looses us their assesment of their effectiveness often goes wrong.
They expect too much damage or too much defense...Why?
-Because a Support alive often goes unoticed most of the time people just "Expect" you do stuff, if you don't it's easy to see that you don't but it's harder to see how above and beyond you go for your team (try to don't worry about this, we are an invisible hand).
-In most games the mental energy we don't use on microcombos, we use it on chaining macroplays.
In my groups I'm often the shotcaller/monitor, here or in an mmo. Which means, make *As much communication you can*. No your teammates are NOT dumb, don't be obnoxious, they are focused in another task, they are the damage specialists, we are the enhancers, the quality of life, we are who keep the frontline alive longer for it to feel invencible or who multiplied the dps to an impressive number. We focus on improvement, communication is as essencial as knowing when to use those skills. *You're in a possition to often see what the damage dealers won't*
A tip I give in this game is, ping a lot but never to flame anyone, be a support, if you hate the guy just swallow your pride for 40minutes and be strong, but remember you're here to improve your team.
!!!Ping over your ally you intention, back off, bait, defend.
My allies know that if I ping more than 2 times, it is an emergency of some sort, even with the bait ping, that basically tells my laner "Bait them, something good is going to happen" often because we are getting ganked.
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Honestly, I'm so used to pings I wish I could take them to other games. That bait/defend and target/retreat ping are amazing
WRONG my allies ARE dumb
What elo
what rank
@@lemd7904 what does it matter, this is one of those random posts that actually tells how it works. Or at least worked pre-EOMM.
well this aged poorly.. with the new ping changes you are basically forced to type, which in turn will make your teammates think that you're flaming them leading to dcs and general toxicity
That rekkles moment from the intro, was my most intense league moment ever. Can still feel the heartbeat.
TLDR: You can't heal if you're dead.
Hey I learned that from Naruto!
Arshan
healing doesnt matter if your not using your health as a resource for your team.
nothing in league bot lane is more important than your ADC getting fed.
watching y our ADC die and lose gold/xp will almost always be worse than the support taking that death. unless of course your ADC is just a brainless gonna go 0-10 anyways.
but you watching them die 3 times in a row instead of helping them is commonly why they get there.
@@beatles42ohgg94 You didn't watch the video did you?
@@felixaubert7322 no, its just that these videos are made for the top 10% of league players not the 90% of average plebs
who will use this video as a defense for pretty much going AFK every game and complaining that their team is the reason they lose.
the type of supports with zero understanding of lane positioning.
and think that standing behind the carry is always the best option.
and dont understand spacing. or probing range of enemy skills.
you should normally be in the line with your bot lane carry. not max range behind them the entire laning phase
"well my skills can hit the carry to support him"
okay, your shit positioning will leave the adc out of range. and if you dont move up with him is why he keeps getting picked off and you have zero means to help him get farm or stay in XP range.
As a support constantly running into adcs trying to backseat my ults (like the sona example) / items, I feel like riot should auto timeout people for pinging that agressively. As I generally do not wish to mute them and miss geniune calls for aid / drake / baron later on, but I suppose that's their own loss then if I end up having to mute them.
I have been on a Taric binge recently and ally Katarina was upset I didn't ult her at a bot lane fight where her laner, Fizz showed up about 5 seconds later. She was low on health after getting a kill and so he jumped her specifically.
My w was on her, so I could have ulted, but my split second decision was to not because I thought she would die within the 2.5 seconds of it "channeling" before it procs. She ended up shmooving and evading enough that it looked like a misplay on my part in the end because my ult would have saved her...
As a support, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. That Kat went on to solo carry the game, but at the end I saw she didn't buy ANY control wards. Rest of the team bought at least several.
Point is, she won us the game that time, but in a different game, she's most likely a coin flip. She was making crazy plays that didn't make sense. It somehow worked out in the end. I'm glad for the carry but I'm still holding to my decision
You don’t start the game with /mute all?
Fk that
@@96Logan and that is a perfect reason not to play taric or bard
I have a bad habbit of overhelping my team even when I'm not playing support. I could play any role and I'll still try to help/save them.
It's not bad in itself, Faker roams top/bot a lot after shoving his lane and finds good recall timers to be full on hp and mana for a potential fight. As long as you do something or help in one way or another, helping is fine. Just don't make yourself useless if you will waste too many waves of xp/gold
i really needed this video. i started league not too long ago and i quickly found that support was my favourite role, particularly enchanters. this video definitely helped clarify what i should actually be doing as an enchanter rather than being a guaranteed double kill for the enemy because i tried to help my adc / someone else instead of staying in the backline supporting them
Great video! My English is limited, so I had to rewatch it a few times to understand details, but your didactic explanation is very clear! Thanks!
Good stuff on vision and intentionality
It does get annoying when a 0/7 toplaner insists that I would be 0/70 and demote from diamond to silver if I played a REAL MAN's role like toplane instead of picking Lulu. While I won lane before lvl 3 and I'm actively trying to carry his ass.
As a top main I can tell you that even though that is not a valid excuse, ADC's and junglers flame a lot more than than toplaners.
@@zsomborszigeti6797 As a top lane main you don't have to deal with a top laner on your team most games.
@Zsombor Szigeti This is literally just excuses lol. "I don't wanna make an excuse, but here's this anecdotal nonsense"
@@SurriSama I guess I should have just talked about how my feeding botlane is flaming everyone because that's the only thing this community understands. MB on that one
trust me, its a valid excuse. my friend mains lulu.
9/10 "team fights" they have 100% health and mana at the end.
no matter what they say, they take this type of advice and have zero impact on the games outcome because they play to safe and do nothing but blame the team and say "but im support"
i can afk top, not farm, not get kills, not apply pressure, not help with objectives. and just ward and blame my team for losing every game also.
dude has such a padded KDA he cant win games because he is the "high tier" player in his games.
but you arent gonna carry from support that way.
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You bet wrong. I was a support main for years and support is what carries games. I just like watching videos to see what people are feeling.
What should be noted is that players rage you in low elo for not diving. They will stop trusting you and refuse fights or outright make you die by calling plays and leaving. Because they think you should be doing something you shouldn't and will tilt and troll. It's amazing to watch how insane people sound. It's like they can't see anything happening and straight-up invent some fantasy story about the game. Not one of them will ever go back and watch the replay.
what that stock video at 0:50 is actually supposed to be used for I have no idea, but this was a way better use of that footage that cracked me up
first and i love your videos they help me play so much
Thanks, improvements on my games was insta
man that lucian was PISSED
If Sona was gonna go back in and die at 3:20 she should have dropped the exhaust on Ahri so Lucian could pick up the triple.
its gold bro
the example used for the 2 ranks here were completely different as well. one was bot lane being overextended and unaware of a gank and the other was literally just a nami throwing a random q fishing for potential.
in the gold elo one, the sona lucian could have easily just burst ahri down and it was done. its just a bad example for what they are trying to show here.
As a support my mains is Zyra, Lux and Morgana
I main jungle or top and definitely in most of my games I rather have a better support,cause it can support an actual carry of the team at the time of the game.lately it’s making a huge difference on my game for a month now,and I just want to ff when the support is being more knuckle head than the ADC cause the enemy team support is being a nuisance to my win conditions
Literally me yesterday. Was Milio with Ezreal vs Draven and Lux. My Ezreal was pretty bad (he died several times 1v1 vs Draven when I started to roam) but when I was in the lane we crushed the lane so hard I don't think Ezreal understood how much I did for him and the lane. Then hovered bot side while clearing vision and he died again vs Draven and started to flame me and asked why I played Milio as if the problem was the champion that won the lane for him into arguably an otherwise pretty difficult matchup, when the problem was that he initiated a fight when I wasn't even close to support him.
Or the Lucian that got so mad because I was hitting creep to push for level 2 that he intentionally gave two kills. I played Seraphine vs Jinx and Xerath and to me it was insanity because Lucian and Seraphine are almost as good as Lucian and Nami early and can absolutely stomp their lane. Instead he let us get pushed in which is bad vs Jinx and Xerath since they got better long range harass. It created a terrible mood in the team even though we were actually winning elsewhere, I sold my supp item because Lucian actually left the game and I thought he wasn't coming back and it was just terrible from there. His actions singlehandedly ruined the game.
I am not going to do wrong or bad wave control just because my adc doesn't know better and most don't complain when you help but when you get that one bad egg this is why bot is one of the most frustrating lanes to play because they *think* the passive enchanter is the correct playstyle even when it's not.
Just one thing, Draven gets countered by Ezreal, not the other way around.
@@ezrealislife8694 Maybe if Draven plays badly and gets poked out of lane, but in an all in situation, Ezreal is definitely weaker than Draven early. Stats also supports that since Draven has a better winrate vs Ezreal.
@@Kamishi845 That is not the main reason. Draven needs to get a lead early, his passive is nearly worthless if he doesn’t get kills. Ezreal can potentially poke Draven out when he goes to catch axes, but surviving lane is more than enough to make Draven useless. Obviously Draven is stronger in a lane all in, but no one in the right mind would fight a Draven head on as Ezreal in lane. Stats don’t mean anything for Ezreal. His win rate is significantly lowered by players who don’t know how to play him. If you look at win rates, you’ll probably see Ezreal having a negative win rate vs every bot laner in the game. But in reality, Ezreal doesn’t have a single losing matchup when it comes to ADCs, the most difficult ones are at worst skilled matchups.
What you state is true for almost every adc vs Draven, so I don't really see that as much of a valid reason since the point is that neither player plays it perfectly, then the scale tips in Draven's favor because it's easier for him to punish mistakes and create leads than it is for Ezreal early. There's also the support differences and jungle influence as well. Yes, if Ezreal is able to poke Draven out he can win the lane that way, and if Ezreal is able to freeze the lane he can also win that way, but that assumes the Draven is bad and dumb and Ezreal isn't and I don't think that's a fair comparison whatsoever.
@@Kamishi845 Since when did I assume the Draven is bad? All I’m saying is that Ezreal’s kit makes it difficult for Draven to get kills in lane, mainly due to Arcane Shift. If Draven ever tries to engage, Ezreal can just E back and Q for free poke. Or just E and Q farm from afar. No other ADC can do both at once. Draven either needs to take free poke by constantly blocking Ezreal Q, or let Ezreal farm.
Hector how much is it to get ya to coach me
I'm literally banning milio for like a week. I'm tired of ppl picking him on ranked and don't even know how to use him wtf
That's sad because he's extremely easy to pickup tbh. He plays a bit like a combination of Ahri (his Q is similar range but a bit slower) and Karma but he actually has an ult.
@kamishi4145 yea sadly people tell me "oh this my 6th game with them" then proceeds to feed or they dont know their kit. So I'm not taking the risk. I'll take a complain as to why I banned him over losing LP
How can I make champions' names display in game instead of players' nicknames?
In interface settings
I disagree with 6:04. It's not teamfight so if the choice is between you die or your adc dies, choice is obvious, you can't assist dead adc. Here lucian was realy out of position, so hard to trade sona life for his, but sona did nothing to help him. At least ult shaco or exhaust him when he was nearby, lucian would get extra seconds of life.
We don't know how fed is shaco, but with flash, exhaust and ult up sona could try to aggro shaco, no way for her to die without blitz Q, it would be waste of time for shaco to attack her. She got 0/1/4, so it's possible that lucian had 4 kills, with any sona help lucian could live or it could be 1 for 1 or viego could come and kill low hp enemy. Meanwhile sona is half screen away with full resources and everything up, recalling after that because she can't do anything without lucian.
I know that i put too much faith in randoms, but when i'm playing support (renata main) i'm trying to actively support my team, if that means that I meatshield for my fed adc, then so be it :)
That'd be a waste, stun blitz he's the cc
It was just a waste, there is no scenario where lucian lives. Maybe you get a kill under tower, maybe but Luci is dead no matter what and Viego had no intention of heading bot.
Saving the ult and exhaust for a better play is the right call.
All 3 of the enemy players were still capable of killing luci even after ult and exhaust.
I learned this the hard way, I still lose lol
good suppor or bad suport bouth lose game if enemy 3 player get fed and get 2 iteams in in 6-7 min.. just fed on them and start invading only side what is left ...u can be beast at rolle but itss still useles
@ all Soraka players
Luminum's Soraka build is the perfect example of this video.
Shurelya, Swiftness boots, nimbus cloak, celerity, and heal summoner spell all enhance her movespeed from her passive and her survivability. Assassins have so many dashes and mobility that Soraka's needs to be able to kite around a teamfight because she is the priority target.
Stop building moonstone! (unless the enemy team has no engage or way to jump on you)
the community memes on enchanters because women play enchanters
I don't hate enchanters because they have a low skill floor, I hate them because they are no fun to play. We are not the same
DJ Sona is a paid to lose skin, the music covers a lot of sound effects... Like tower aggro, to name one.
Ok, so in theory i should be challenger... Got it :D
i play Udyr and Kledd support now,i shield and attack and we pow pow all
i want to try also Fiora with Zeke and redempchum for the ult and go wishywosh but people says i am troll
Well at least in my elo i hate enchanters so much. They suck either way but when the team just needs frontline and heavy cc, dudes pick yuumi or some dumb shit
Why is the challenger just called Japanese import?
Ah yes the pings are my biggest worry for surviving while my teamate dies.... oh nope, it's the pings followed by the verbal bs out of other roles, followed by the ff spam on cooldown and the running it down because "supp didn't peel for me" bro you were dead.
Also maybe teach adcs and such how to survive under their own towers.
Like I can kite and get enemies to at least 10%hp before I die and tower picks them up or they get out with that if it's fizz or Elise etc. But adc just seem to stand there and die, so sad to watch
I love playing against enchanters, because I deal so much damage from safety with Xerath support. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Xerath, Brand, Morg, Zyra support until death do us part rest are garbo in solo que
Vision part is ok, but I strongly disaggree with "stay safe".
If in 2v2 you are safe as support and hiding behind your adc - then he is the target and he will not be able to give all his damage. So it doesn't matter if you are alive - you are loosing the team fight by throwing your adc into danger. Tanking few hits, being in the team fight and pressuring opponent by showing that you are here and ready to help - thats the good support qualities, not hiding behind adc playing for your kda.
The examples they gave were situations where it wasn't a clean 2v2 and they were trying to make space for their adc regardless. If your adc is mispositioning you shouldn't sacrifice your own positioning to save them.
Sure, if adc could not be saved - then just save yourself. I'm not suggesting to feed with hopeless adc,but if there is a chance to win the fight (saving mispositioned adc is also a win) then help him with everything you have including valuable resource called health. My point is that half-help when support is always behind is worse then afk, its like pretending that you are actually doing something. This is making adc life much more difficult and could give false impression that you are actually there ready to help. Help or don't.
@@therine8214 I love supports like that as a support who likes long range champs. Just one combo and they are effectively out of the fight because they stepped up. Could not be better. Especially enchanters because once you CC them they are done. Easiest pick in the game pre team fight.
I mean at 06:07, if Sona ulted here, there was a high chance that Lucian could escape
Low probability for a cooldown, I get what he is saying that prioritizing your own safety is more important.
true, but in this *type* of scenario most of the time this person would turn and die instead of saving themselves, so while its true that specifically here it may have been good to do so, if they make a habit of running first then trying to help it will cover most scenarios better than their previous habit would
Probably, probably not. Imo if that Lucian didn't see the obvious threat from ahri, he wouldn't be on bad position in the first place. The risk of not having ult far outweighs the gamble I would take on random adc
Please don't be that Lucian. "I mean" is a giga cliche league term as well. Do your best to avoid it.
I don't think so, no way a sona ult can hit those 3, most damage came from Ahri and there was a shaco trap on the left (very sure that blitz was on cooldown there). That glacial augment was nasty and when the stun ended...it's likely that shaco would've thrown a knife, it's better to try to keep the ult for a return kill
Good support: Auto filled top main
Bad support: Actual support main
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0:44 what a great play. Worst adc ever lol
Good god please remove the stock footage, it does nothing for the video
Sona's been nerfed to the ground and she's especially hard to play in lower ELO (silver, gold). People just don't understand how to properly play around her or expect too much out of her. In higher ELO she might be a bit better balanced (talking about high skill caps). I'm an ex Sona main (Janna, Nami too) and reached D4 several times and seasons, even D3 promos, but that's as far as I could go. But since the meta shifted to shit a couple seasons ago, I can't even get out of gold now, just doing the same stuff, playing in the same way. Too many garbage items have been introduced to the game, also all these new champs with coinflip mechanics, I can't stand LoL anymore. The game used to be extremely fun to play, now I despise it.
Could you give an example of a "coinflip mechanic" champion that was introduced? I'm asking because I genuinely can't think of any.
genuine question what about the opposite, when you know you can win but ur adc is a wuss
Adapt to their playstyle and then abandon them and support the true carry that appears during mid - late game.
Easy. Bad supports exist. Good supports don't. U mad?
In all seriousness, the biggest gap I notice in every game is the support gap. There are supports who ward, position correctly and provide utility. And then there are the bozos that go to waves that haven't even crashed yet and clear them even when it puts them on the other side of the map from the next objective they should be warding. That's the stuff you guys should be talking about.
Well, playing safe doesnt work in gold, if you do that you are getting flamed and your adc will int. Everytime he dies its obviously supports bad. If you play enchanter, they think you are supposed to play frontline.
İ dont care if 'm a good or bad support, I'm an EKKO SUPPORT. And it works well tbh.
No movement abilities? Bard has E + 99% of enchanters have some form of movement increase ability they can use for themselves or the team
Difference is quite simple, good supports are always on enemy team
all of these videos are useless like if you do everything you will still lose always the enemys have smufs and pros and you get brainless teams its just depends on ur luck how you can win while they adc and top is fed and you are mid you cant do anything
i can spot autofilled bad supp from a mile, autos my minions, throws lux E or morgana W into CS, gets hooked by hook champs every time, plays zyra, brand, lux, velkoz or other dmg champs bc he doesn´t know how to play actuall supports , ends up with 10+ deaths.
@@saltycremepuff the problem is when they fuck up the wave or my CS tempo, they should touch it only when pushing fast or pushing to reset or autoing once under tower for me.
I play Brand a good bit but usually only with ADC I know because of this. If I know some one is aggressive and wants to farm champions/towers early Brand is a good choice. With others if I damage one or 2 minions and it throws off their tempo they get really mad because they are not that aggressive style. There is nothing wrong really with either style it is just personal preference. This is why I ask in champ select if my ADC wants heals or damage or CC in their support. If some one asks for damage and locks in Trist I have a pretty good idea what is coming and I lock in Brand. Games can be won either way just depends on the person.
I think too many people just assume if a Brand W's so one minion gets hit along with a champ then E's the minion to harass more they are automatically wrong. If the other duo can't play the game because of no health that is also a win. You just have to make sure your ADC is on board with how that tempo will look.
I honestly think sona doesn’t do anything. Everytime someone picks that champ on my team I lose. Why play sons when seraphine or lulu are just better and have actual abilities that interact with the enemy champions.
Sona has 0 lane but can help not lose lane and then offers a lot in the mid and late. Gives allies more dmg for objectives, heals and shields to save their feeding @, movement speed to kite and chase enemies and a good ult. It is a champion to pick when you think your team has worse tfs than the enemies or when you have a losing mid or top lane from the draft. Easy champ as well
she is arguably the best scaling enchanter in the game with just 2 items
idk whenever i play sona my team wins, tbh she feels useless but her poking is very good and healing ends up being very helpful
They are better only early, sona outscales by a margin
She is good if you have a champ that needs to be baby sat much of the early game as ADC. Late game she is great in death ball comps where constantly heal/shielding combines with her ult. Seraphine is good but she doesn't really heal and her strength is more harassing at longer range early. I like both but for different situations. If I know the other team is less mobile or tank heavy I use Seraphine to CC and disrupt engages but if I think my team will have the tanks or less mobility I pick Sona. Later she can counter a lot of poke and harass while helping tanky engages.
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