ACCELERATION BATTLE 200 km/h | Honda Civic 1.5 Turbo VTEC | MANUAL vs. CVT
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2020
- MANUAL vs. CVT
This in insanely surprising. Who also expected manual to be a lot faster?
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the cvt is very limited by the ecu on the high ends to prevent belt slip and also belt tension at high rpms
The manual doesn't have to deal with that
Yes but the manual has to deal with gear shifting
@@danniarrezafirdausy2538 whats wrong with that? It's easy people are just lazy.
Only thing I dislike about the cvt is it lacks gear shifting. Other than that, it sticks the car at the ideal powerband, which when tuned for track racing, its bests all.
But when I daily my car, I need a clutch pedal and shifter
@@AIDAHAR210 Absolutely. I have a car with CVT transmission, and the way it goes just feels kinda weird. Manual is still the best in terms of fun since it really requires driver's attention and skill. (Pardon me for the bad grammar.)
@@MJT-DA nothing wrong, i like manual. But I think their cvt is not a joke either compared to other cvts
its Honda's CVT, not a garbage Nissan made called CVT
Honda makes the best cvt
@@sharpvolt2669 Mitsubishi too ;)
What is cvt
@@rexsongodinho5623 CVT: Continues Viriable Transmission.
Its a belt that continuesly changes with the more torque thats asked.
Pretty interesting concept.
The transmission gives you the most efficient power chosen for the engine. The only drawback is they dont pop and bang. And they just make a certain rev noise that most people dont like.
But learn to drive it, it will be a great transmission.
@@V4YGR3 Honda actually made their car worse with their programming. Everything you said is correct but honda’s cvt would be more efficient if it weren’t programmed to rev like a traditional transmission. Honda knows this and if you go back to the battle you can see how the cvt drops it’s rpms to act like a traditional. This programming can help reduce stress on the engine at high rpms but if the cvt were used as efficiently as possible it would smoke the traditional by making max power 100% of the time. I have a 2019 civic btw.
CVT will accelerate faster at the beginning because it doesn't lose time between gear shifts and also important with a turbo is that it won't lose boost and have to respool as the next gear is engaged.
The ambient temperature for the manual car was 5degC and for the CVT car was 16degC. For a turbocharged car that is a significant difference. Both test should be done at the same temperature.
Nope since most cars are regulating the intake temperature anyway (at about 70°C mostly) :D
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver why would a car manufacturer "set" air intake temperature as 70 celsius for a car when it would get better fuel efficiency with lower temperatures?
@@GuilhermeGoto i dont think he's right... They do regulate the temperature, but not to 70 degrees lol... They tend to make it cooler via intercoolers, as the air tends to get hot while being compressed say at 6psi extra
CVT had less fuel... seemingly 50 pounds or more
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver If you have driven turbocharged cars before, you would notice the significant performance difference between a hot sunny day and cold day. The intercooler being a heat exchanger has a different thermal efficiency for such large changes in ambient temperature.
1. there is no vtec
2. the cvt is pretending to shift
There is VTEC.
@@vasilas432 there is no vtec (valve lift) in turbo engine, just dual valve timing. they add vtec on the exhaust cam only in the type R 2.0 turbo engine. see this for detail: www.civicx.com/forum/threads/vtec-vs-vtc-in-the-1-5l-turbo-engine-genx.10202/
@@plutomaximus2897
Thanks for letting me know.
Actually from 4.000 the car starts to pull more aggressively
Pluto Maximus this is sorta off topic but for some reason the 1.5t accord with the L15B7 DOES come with variable valve timing and lift. www.hondainfocenter.com/Accord-Family/2020-Accord/Vehicle-Details/Engineering/Turbocharged-1-5-liter-Engine-select-models
honda city turbo 2020 have a vtec
Fell in love with the manual, no restriction, no belt tension, only speed
but you will scarified "COMFORT" (put yourselves in 6 hour heavy jam road for 100km)
@@isDatBoi fr like manuals are cool but now dcts and autos are gaining and especially in a traffic jam its aids
Yes. True
I love manual as well, but one thing you have to realize in a turbo car is that every time you shift in a stick shift, you gotta let off the gas pedal and subsequently, you lose boost. You have to build up boost again after each shift. I have a Mazdaspeed3 right now and it's pretty apparent. Auto/CVT/DCT don't have this issue as your foot is still on the gas as the trans shifts. That's what you see in this video when the speed is lower(doesn't help that the guy shifting the stick is a bit slow IMO).
Of course, there are no lift shift tunes that combat this issue, but not a lot of cars have this function from the factory. You can also technically do it without the tune, but it's hell on your transmission and clutch.
@@kucharskipl If you have no-lift shift tune or you treat your clutch and transmission as disposables, go ahead. Not my car, not my money, not my problem.
Thumb up for the video! I was really curios how CVT will perform vs Manual as I was hearing CVT is very efficient...now I know it is good also in acceleration (at least Honda's)
acceleration yes,, but when you are slowing down and speeding up they are a bit choppy, and if you were on a track there would be no contest. just some food for thought. my girlfriend and I just bought one with a cvt and I have a 5 speed focus I like both.
@@richardparnell8402 This is a good point you highlight and a shortcoming on the viewers part when watching strictly-accelerating videos. It doesn't show the nature of the transmission in daily life. Definitely "rubber-bandy" and jerky for an "automatic"
@@worldofz00 thanks, yes I find when comming in and out of corners in a 5 speed I can be in the power band without even thinking about it. In a CVT it does take a second, it's not as smooth and you are guessing when the power will come on.
if your are considering CVT then choose Honda, there CVT is proven.
@@richardparnell8402 you can just use the manual mode 2 keep the revs up in the cvt. Bam instant response.
I really like the use of the music in this video.
Thank You so much
Chief could I ask a question?
For the CTV gear..the normal mode (not the sport one) the engine when I accelerate the engine sound is going to be louder so I remove my leg from the acceleration and push back gently. Is that normal or harmful for the car? Thanks!
The car in normal mode sits at lower rpms so that it saves fuel. So when you step on it after, first it needs to increase rpm to get more HP, and then it goes. In sport mode it sits in high rpms all the time. HP = torque x rpm.
mind blowing and crazy results
Agree
The CVT outpaces the manual at "useable" speeds up to 130kpm (75mph). Beyond that the manual has a tiny edge in the "arrest me" range. I opted for the CVT in my Civic Coupe, due to the high level of city driving we do. The acceleration is quick, but not fast. In the "real world" the balance of power & fuel economy, Honda nailed it!!!
Do you have 1.5t or 2.0 NA
I’m baked Xavier Wulf Let Me Tell you uses the lul Asian sounding noises I thought my song was playing at the start LMAO
Why is the cvt shifting like it’s a regular automatic and not just stay at the same rpm??
first time i see on a video cvt accelerating faster than manual
Lol...fake...of corse manual is faster than cvt...don`t bealeave this POS
How is your instrument cluster Blue rather than red is that a canadian or euro thing? or are you able to change it?
The only trims that receive the red cluster interface is the sport, si and type R. Blue = base models like EX, EX-L, LX ...etc
The ecu is limited to125?
I have a ‘19 sport hatch with a cvt. Should I look into trading it in for a manual or an Si? Probably want to save money more than have fun I guess
The Si is worth the upgrade. Just a better overall car if you’re ok losing cargo space.
Can the temperature change the performance? Because of the cooling.
c'est plutôt parce que l'air frais est plus dense que l'air chaud...
I wanna know how they got th3 si dash on the base model
Im enjoying the cvt... It allows me to stay in the "vtec" zone for longer... Having it auto with paddle shift... I can make full use of left leg braking and engine brake to maintain good balance and traction of the car during corners. Loving it.
The new civics don’t have vtec
@@user-ys8vs5lx5l 2017 Civic Hatchback is Vtec turbo
@@fizfilet5640 false I have a 2017 civic hatch it’s just a turbo and I have the sport model, only hatch that has vtec turbo is a type r
@@johngolabek8228 in Indonesia have Civic hatchback RS, that have vtec turbo engine
@@fizfilet5640 It's called vtec turbo, but it doesn't have the "traditiona" VTEC system in it (except typeR). That's just marketing now. Also, it isn't really needed anymore because of the turbo.
Anyone know why my Honda Civic hatchback doesn’t go past 125mph like I’m curious the top speed I can only hit is 125 rn someone help me an explain the issue to me thanks
Cvt would be much quicker if people just got use to the feeling of it when it first came out, but no everyone complained and now they put in fake shifts which puts breaks in its constant power output
The CVT is quick and I've smoked a lot of cars with it. Mine doesn't do the fake shifting.
@@acerockollaa Yeah my CVT in my lx. Accelerates quickly. I have no problems getting up to 100 mph almost instantly.
Mine doesn't do this fake shifting that happens in the video, if I put it in drive but brake hold on then plant the accelerator it just endlessly holds the revs as high as it possibly can indefinitely while you accelerate, I have no idea how the uploader even manged to get the car to fake shift like it is.
got em with the full tank of gas
A temperatura ambiente falou mais alto ! Se fosse medido os 2 com 5º ia ser parelho
Why doesnt the cvt stay 50rpm off redline and hold it all the way to 200kph
you start with 2.5k rpm on CVT with brakes on, when you release the brakes you go FULL deep on throttle, plus you turn off the ESP and ofcourse S mode. Nothing else right? im trying to learn the ideal launch settings. i'll try it my own. i would be glad if you answer me about all the settings you've done
@Oğuzhan AK 2019 1.5Turbo Elegance var bende, çok memnunum. Herhangi bi sorunu sıkıntısı yok. Gözün kapalı alabilirsin
Except the CVT is in "sport" mode. My CVT does this too, but if I leave it regular drive, it just pegs out at 6600ish RPM's and accelerates.
that is not sport mode
@@l0stcluster2 no is sport mode in the gearbox
@@jacksonhuang2009 s is slope. and d is faster
@@l0stcluster2 🤣
Manual Hondas have always been much faster than their auto counterparts since the 90s so no surprise there.
Actually CVt was just as fast up to 140 or so
That might be true in the 90s but now autos are the fastest
@@kevanneclarke3363 with every other brand
Did you not watch the video ? Cvt was ahead until 170kmh lmao but cvt sucks, a good auto would do better
@@joshc606 umm cvt was faster for most of it hon
Is that music from Shadow Warrior?
finally wake up there at honda and install a dual clutch transmission. arrives now With the ancient cvt gearbox
Why tf does the cvt keeps engaging gear ⚙... I thought it was suppose to be a continuous smooth flow
It’s doing it to eliminate stress on the engine at higher rpm’s
Cvt doesn't seem bad on this car,good acceleration for that kind of gearbox
Alberto Iturria YES! It didnt seem so great from real experience. Its surprising!
I have the CVT. manual was always gonna be faster but if you put the CVT in S-manual mode you might get a bit more out of it.
That’s cuz it’s a Honda CVT
@@ContactFault but worst gas mileage
@@muldix Come race my 1.5 Accord cvt on a stage 2 tune on a 40 mile roll on Sport mode and we'll see how is faster..
CVT faster until 170kph
And that's with the CVT fake shifting and the manual driver revving higher
IKR
Just barely. It doesn't matter, still boring
YESSS MANUAL!!!!!
The only thing that i dont want in a manual car is when youre stuck in a heavy traffic. Its so tiring especially on stop and go for an hour
CVT kicked in yo!
Wait until you're 20k miles in and it fails completely lol
@@aarongrisham5555 luckely i drive toyotas
@@ibj3 they also have CVTs these days
@@aarongrisham5555 yes but i never had problems with them. Owning cvt toyotas since 2008. Daily driving them only problems i had with cars were wheelbearings etc. Back in the day when i drove manuals they also said manual had clutch problems but had a 1989 camry and never had any transmission problems. Only with nissans also owned a x trail and a honda prelude those gave me alot of problems.
@@ibj3 that's all cap lol. CVTs go out no matter what company. And I if you have issues with ANY manual transmission, it ain't the car. It's the driver
Be careful with that CVT and the 1.5T engine .....continuous spirited driving like this, is damaging the cvt cones because it is unable to handle the torque thrown by that beauty of an engine. Thanks for this video :)
Sorry looks like this is not "vtec". This is "earth dream" engine.
It depends, some countries the L15B7 engines are vtec
In europe they have VTEC turbo. Do your research.
@@tylerortiz5173 just looked it up and they don't have it
@@alanclark9000 I just looked it up, it’s advertised as VTEC in Asian markets even though it doesn’t have the Variable Valve Lift system like VTEC is supposed to have… soorry for the cofusion
@@tylerortiz5173 Sorry but VTEC has gone in L15B7 for all models , even Honda advertised VTEC turbo on 10th Civic, in fact it is now a "marketing term" only . L15B7 just remain VTC. Honda just put VTEC on 2.0L turbo, which is putting on 10th Civic typeR and only for exhaust camshaft !
sad,my country didnt receive any manual in honda lineup
Faster acceleration cvt
Top speed manual
Though difference in acceleration is not that huge and the manual is more fun glad to see honda still including this.
The manuals actually does accelerate faster but the driver doesn't shift that well. The manual "pulls" harder but the shifts slow it down. But notice how it quickly begins regaining ground after every shift.
Do anyone knows where are those cars manufactured? Japan, UK or somewhere else?
all made in UK
Yess, manual more fun to drive!😎👌
and will last twice as long if not three times
@@dbzownz12345 that's what she said
Manual transmission: emotion, cheaper, etc...
CVT transmission: relaxed, no need to wank gearlever all the time, can eat icecream driving in city without a hassle... :D etc.
@@GaryKari "No need to wank gearlever all the time", that sounds like a downside to me.
@@TwixiGames I understand that well... I've had a manual cars for over 20 years. Now in my daily driver it's really not important to me to "have control of my cars gears". Maybe I'm just getting old...
I don't get it why they have to simulate gear changes
Probably too reduce slipping and overheating
0-100 0-200 kaç sn olduğu yazılmamış?
say işte
I prefer normal automatic gearbox.
most people do
@@swapop9055 americans*
@@turnersexplicit7912 well i think anyone would pick a reg auto over a CVT if there were only 2 choices (so no manual trans,DCT,Etc)
@@Nico_huuuuulkenberg cvt kinda gae
@@turnersexplicit7912 yes
No entendí algo. Cual era el de la derecha el manual o el automático?
Rojo: manual
Azul: cvt
The results surprised me. In the side-by-side speed comparison, they were nearly identical up to 202 kph or 125mph. Then the manual pulled away. I believe the CVT is limited to that speed. As the acceleration is basically the same, the manual is a waste of effort. I am glad I got the CVT.
He dfnt put both cars in sport mode or normal mode .. The light in the cluster are two different colors ...
Automatics are just lazy and you only RIDE in them. You don't DRIVE them like you would a manual
I have a tuned 1.5 Accord cvt and others have hit 140 mph...
Gearbox life time?and service?
VTEC (Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control). The problem with HOnda is giving a single name to two different technology. Now people are confused. This one doesnt have lift on the intake but its still a VTEC because it has lift on the exhaust since its a turbo.... and then there's i-Vtec
Nice manual
why the cvt sounds have gear shifting?
I want to see a redo of this run with fakeshift off.
Not possible
CVT's are technologically more advanced than they used to be, I'm actually more surprised the manual kept up as much as it did. I'm sure the the manufacturer probably states the CVT as the faster transmission.
E a diferença do tanque de ambos? Não levaram isso em consideração?
Superb music
This in insanely surprising. Who also expected manual to be a lot faster? but the video shows it is the same or cvt is faster..
10°C cooler ambient during manual transmission run - could explain power and acceleration disparity. Don't get me wrong, I'd still take the manual trans 100%
I wouldnt take any trans
So, the manual managed 0-200kmh in 28 seconds. The most comparable car is a subaru wrx, which does 0-200kmh in 22 seconds. And its AWD. I wonder how these sell
I would guess the si is more closely matched in price and in 0-200 time to the WRX
Bruh the cvt gear shifs too lmao
that ending tho
Sometimes in my cvt I have to peddle dance to get more torque but that might just be a weird superstition
👍
CVT według filmiku spokojnie dorównało manualowi z tego względu że różnica 11 stopni ciepła ma zasadniczą różnicę :)
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What's the point of having a CVT when you stage it
Vtec power 🤙🏻
if you really want to compare.. from the battle start play the video at 0.25 speed.
Imagine if this car came with a dual clutch transmission
Ye background music kaunsa hai suna suna sa lag raha hai...
Why does the cvt have gear steps? That defeats the purpose.
So, the manual is the sporty one and the CVT is for cruising, am I right?
However, the 1.5 is a very good engine and the Civic a very nice car. 👍🏻
@Tam Fam mine not
@Tam Fam maybe for the model 2017, mine is 2020
@Tam Fam loool
Civics in my country dont have the simulated shift point cvt on wot. It keeps at close to 6k rpm and stays there. If it were the case on this test the cvt would have actually won cuz the car would be at the max power curve throughout!
Old school rules
I still don't know what they don't put the VTEC in the ones in North America
The manual reaches its top speed faster so sure both have the same speed, but the manual has better acceleration.
Are u blind ?
0 - 130 CVT is faster
You mean manual has better torque?
Why does the cvt look like it's shifting gears?
They have to fake the gear shifting because people find it’s weird for engine rev to stay constant when accelerating.
結果どゆこと？
No way you are not flooring that CVT. I own a 4 door 2016 CVT Honda civic EX-T and it goes to 200 rpm short of redline is much smoother and shaper. Mine is normal factory everything and does a launch 0-100 kph in 5.7 seconds. The only civic thing that beats that is a 10th gen SI and not by much.
People like you keep me employed as a firefighter. Just try to hit a pole and not a minivan with children eh.
Stupid comment. There is nothing dangerous on acceleration in the place, where other people expect you to go fast...
The lethargic shifting was the reason for the closeness
hehe, try it faster by yourself... It wasn't lethargic at all...
15 degree celcius difference..
How does the "vtec" works on the cvt lol?...
How much hp do they have?
182 ps
4452km/127km -- 16° / 5° -- empty in 119km/empty in 385km...
Conditions are not really représentatives.
Hahaha CVT use fast signal too... 🤣🤣🤣 Good editing video..lol
The fast flashing is a feature on almost all modern cars when you hard brake.
Only a Honda owner can tell which one is the stick. The one with the rev hang.
Is manual a Si?
No
more prefer cvt. got manual in my evo.
If you have the Honda with a CVT transmission, drain out that fluid & refill it, make sure you use the CORRECT fluid ONLY from the factory/dealer .It's easy to do a drain & fill & it's so important on the CVT transmissions... FYI when they fuck up Honda replaces the whole transmission there's no way to fix these & they do not sell parts for them 🤷🏼 I had the CVT transmission in a '17 civic hatchback wound up trading it now I have the 2020 Accord 2.0t & 10-speed Auto. I 💕 the Accord & I tuned/reflash the ECU with K-tuner 🚗💨 now has about 275hp & 310tq the 🚗💨 feels so good & powerful after all it's just a family sedan not a race car for what it is it's hella good & reliable nice & stock no hardware just software 😎👍👍
Are the cars tuned ? Cuz my shit don’t go that fast lmao
Maybe they scammed you and sold you that 3 banger 1.0 version ? :)
Weed Stealer snap it in sport mode and turn off eco lol it goes after that
If it is CVT, why does it lower it's rpm as if it is shifting gears
Simulates shifting. I can't exactly remember but it changes ratios constantly which makes it seem like its shifting but really its not.
It’s to reduce the stress on the engine at higher rpm’s
nice
Have a 2014 maxima with a cvt at 290 hp and it gets up and goes
You have a Nissan with a CVT? I'm sorry to hear that. I offer you my condolences. 😬
I don't think the manual is faster. The cvt has accelerated much faster until around 140 km/h. Then manual was accelerating faster. In a drag race or a circuit CVT beats the manual
I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH. This is true, I have a CVT
caraca, o cvt se deu bem em maior parte do vídeo... o MT só foi bem no final. :(
O cara do manual não deve saber tocar, o CVT é xoxo para caramba na saída.
@@TheEmolano ahhh sei lá viu, ver um Civic cortando em 6500 rpm é triste... até o meu d17 corta em 7k. Essa geração nova não me agradou em mecânica não.
O manual é Si, tem 30cv a mais e mesmo assim não abriu muito
@@TheEmolano realmente o cara n soube tocar pq o manual arranca muito melhor que o cvt bosta.
@@TheEmolano realmente o cara n soube tocar pq o manual arranca muito melhor que o cvt bosta.
What is the japanese music ?
Some music from iMovie from Apple
The same same!
Nice Karate Kid Music.
Which One is better for topspeed
Definitely Manual 😁
Definitely Manual 😁