How Good Was Russell's '0 Points' Rookie Season?
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The greatest point less season in history is still Michael Schumacher 1997. 5 race wins & 3 poles and points scored 0.
In a shitbox I might add. No driver in history could‘ve done what he did in 97/98 in those Ferrari‘s.
Can't argue with that
5 wins 0 points how???
@@jackishy1261 He was disqualified for ramming into Jacques Villneuve on purpose
@jaycewang6407 I didn't know his season was disqualified for that
Well , people might argue with Kubica's accusations but it was George who said that Robert was always right in terms of setup adjustment and general problems with car. In the other hand, Robert never blamed George for difficulties he had in the team. They were good teammates with respect for each other despite the fact Robert wasn't actually happy with teams policy which as you mention he might be right about.
Sad part about this story is the fact that all three sides of the story - George , Robert and Williams itself , deserved for much much better back then.
The opening bit about how little is written about his rookie year reminds me of an interview he did about virtual gp, basically saying him winning virtual gp got him more press than his entire year as a rookie a year before. It's amazing not only how he persevered mentally, but was able to joke and banter about always starting from the back and not scoring any points. All in all, looking forward to the day he wins WDC.
I hope the 3 years in the Williams car hasn’t affected Russell too much. He lost out on gaining experience in 1v1 racing and that’s shown at points this season. I genuinely believe Russell will be the 2nd best driver on the grid after Max when Hamilton retires because of his talent and his mentality. If Mercedes had George in 2021 Hamilton would’ve won the WDC imo, people don’t put enough respect on his F2 season.
I really think you underestimate that guy…
@@cactusttp_5520 not a russell fan but the guy scored a consistant p5 for like at least 3/4ths the season in the w13, he woulda been a menace with merc in 2021
@@NotTheComicHare Yes that’s what Im saying
I’d say Leclerc and Norris ahead
Yeah my lil conspiracy is Bottas purposely didn't help Lewis with defending look at checo compared to bottas with defence against Lewis to max
What gets continuously ignored is that George's domination over Robert is also hardly reflective of their relative skills. Their cars _were_ most definitely different, which shouldn't be surprising considering the team wasn't able to deliver a car for the first two days of testing, and later on retired Kubica's perfectly working car to save parts (which they surprisingly admitted themselves). The team had severe problems with parts reliability and manufacturing process. They supposedly used chassis from pre-season testing for around half of the season, while most teams phase out pre-season tests chassis either before the first race or shortly after.
A top team produces two high quality parts that are nearly identical (there are no two identical parts), and they produce them quickly, providing them for both drivers. 2019 Williams produced one part that was bad, then some time later the other part that was either much better or much worse (but still bad). In order to maximize their chance for points, they understandably put all the better parts in one car. Guess which car it was? Let me give you a hint: during that season, 1 mirror fell off from car #63, 9 mirrors fell of from car #88.
It was clear during the 2019 season that George Russell was the priority driver and had the less terrible of two terrible Williams cars. There are several pieces of data to support that, if you're willing to look. For example, during the Pirelli tyre tests in Bahrain, on day 1 both Russell and Kubica drove car #88, with Robert coming out on top by 0,4s.
You can also take a look on Russell' and Kubica's telemetry from Monaco quali, the most driver-dependant track in the calendar: imgur(dot)com/a/yMDTvnd
You can see that Robert takes several corners better than George, but loses a lot on two straights, especially the uphill straight after turn 1, where he suffers from some weird acceleration issues. Then he lifts significantly on the first Piscine chicane that can be taken flat-out or almost flat-out, something a driver who went through an entire lap basically flawlessly, and used to be on podium in Monaco twice, won't do, unless he knows the car won't give there.
And even if it was an honest mistake, Robert was better for the best part of the hardest lap on the calendar, so I doubt his skill was behind George as much as the results indicate (if at all), given all the circumstances. I think because of Williams' internal problems, F1 lost a brilliant driver with an inspiring story behind him. It's a small consolation that at least one of those two great drivers left the whole mess unscathed, and had a chance to prove his admittable worth in future seasons.
6 tenths is quite a lot to be just down to part quality. I do believe you, but russell still looked better than rob that year. Rob is a great driver tho.
I can't wait to see Russell in a title battle next season, I feel everyones saying max and lewis but they gonna get each other's was so much I think Russell could capitalize
Max won’t get in Lewis’ way because he keeps running his mouth about checo and dissing him he’s not gonna have the help he needs I think if anything Leclerc will be the one who gets in his way before ferrari self combusts
2 dogs fight for a bone, a third one goes away with it
@@josiahboatengmyrie leclerc will self destruct at least once. He makes 1 or 2 big mistakes every season
The mercs will be too far behind anyway. RB will drive away easily and leave merc and ferrari to fight for the scraps.
@@josiahboatengmyrie Checo won’t be fast enough anyway
I mean half the times that Kubica finished ahead of Russell he finished in the points. Pretty solid performance.
Aldas, Kubica got the point for the history to be made, which means for his comeback to have meaning not because he was better than his teammate so yea this is an inspirational story to take from that season and in F1 !
I think it's very much accepted that 3 years at Williams were too much for him, even Toto is aknowledging this right now. And it seems to be an open secret almost that he would've liked Russell in their car for 2021... I think what we saw from George this year was fascinating, because at times he was driving like a seasoned veteran, and other times you could feel the frustration the Williams years have left in his driving.
If anything, I think the tough years with that team will help him tremendously in the future mentally, and I think it already helped him this year too. Just as a 21 year old he was expected to be a team leader at a struggling team that was at its lowest. I'm sure this he's learned lessons there that his young competitors have never had to face.
Tbh George beating Kubica isn’t remotely credible imo. For anyone that has been part of F1 for a few decades will remember how Kubica schooled Lewis and co in the junior ranks but was unlucky in the car he landed into in F1. He drove the wheels off of it and worked incredibly hard dragging a team up with him. He was a future champion and on the verge of signing with Ferrari. However before preseason was hurt badly in an accident. I think it may have been rallying, and he was cut down in his prime. He lost his clearance to drive in F1 and lost his ride. His comeback now with Williams is sadly an imitation of the greatness of this man. Kubica, F1 and the fans were robbed of a legendary competitor who could easily have won multiple titles.
Yep, Kubica is the one of the greatest 'What If' stories of F1. That man was on another level prior to the accident that could've taken his life.
@@TheFatSandwhich well, the point is the current rhetoric is that Kub has lost it after that accident
no he didnt
what they dont mention is that if Russel car was a shitbox
Kubicas car was just so much even worse
Because Russel was a young upcomming british talent in a british team, a team that the only good thing they were able to say to the british F1 reporters was "at least we allow this young british rookie to shine"
Kubicas car wasn't even going straight under braking - thats exactly why he crashed in Baku.
The car was literally falling apart on the kerbs - as Russel himself recently admitted - as it was build out of a significant number of "recycled" parts.
The reason why Kubica was usually faster at the race start, and then losing his position several laps later was his car was killing the tyres in these several laps. Which the brits have explained with "maybe he didn't understand the tyres" - yeah, i call it complete BS. To this day, Pirelli specifically requests Kubica to drive in tyre tests - as he did just a few months ago. His car aerodynamic balance was a joke, that's the truth.
Also begs a question why exactly Russel was faster on the straight line, even if Kubica was faster going out of the corner? Telemetry has shown this multiple times. Because he was a Mercededs driver in a car with mercedes engine, that's why.
When did Kubica school lewis? I remember they both raced together in Formula 3 Euro in 2004 but Lewis finished ahead of him
'school lewis' lmfao lewis schooled everyone in 08 and in juniors as well. end of the day kubica has one win and 0 titles to his name...
@@sadikurrahman4833 that is entirely because of the rally incident though bit stupid to bring the last thing up.
I like comparison with Fernando. George was was the only driver who had make a presentation to Williams as to why he was the correct driver for them for their 2019 driver line up. Alex kind of lucked himself into F1 as was going to drive for Nissan in Formula E before beling released to drive for Toro Rosso in 2019. I think it good low profile team to start his f1 carreer with and helped his development. Robert came in an interview as disspointed with Williams but the made point podcast about Williams being back markers and being compared to Tyrell by journalists at Autosport is they are too indendpendnat and made eveything in house at time when for example Renault had a pedal supplier . Having seen your video I can see why feels the way he does about his season at Williams. It's fair to say 2019 wasn't good a year for Williams or Robert but a good education for George.
Great video and that background music is the best, please use it for all videos!
If you think back to these days, it goes to show the new regulations at least somehow worked.
Reflecting how much had to go their way for Williams to even think about a single point back then is crazy. In contrast, although the Alphatauri is the worst car on the grid rn, it is still capable of making it to the points pretty much on merit on a good weekend. As goes for the rest of the backmarkers in Williams, Haas and Alfa.
FORZA GIGA KUBICA.
Russells F2 campaign was mostly dominant because he was the one who stayed out of trouble and incidents the most + the cars in F2 were completely different to the previous ones so the drivers who already had an F2 season, didn't had an advantage. In comparison to the 2017 grid only Norris was new the others were already there.
Russell was a rookie as well😑
Another person who tries to write off Russell's achievements. (But I did not know this, so its good for context)
Russell was a rookie, too. Norris even drove in F2 before George lol
He stayed out of incidents bcoz he was quick and was always ahead of the field.
“Norris was the only one who was new” just factually incorrect mate. The rookies in f2 that ran the full season that year were: makino, aitken, Russell, fukuzumi, maini and norris. That’s a total of 6 rookies that actually ran the full season without being fired. Fukuzumi has gone on to have success over in super gt and super formula, maini now races in dtm and makino is now a good super gt driver. There is talent in that field.
I misread “pointless” as if it was to describe his season as useless 😅😅
The problem is is that Williams struggle under pressure sometimes when they are in a good position. They messed up George’s Race in Hockenheim, They messed up their win in Austria 2014 and so on
it would be cool if you could do this kind of rookie deep-dive for all of the current drivers that you havent done this for yet
Do one for latifi's 🥺
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@Aldas, please Checo's rookie season! :P thanks for your videos.
I always sad that rus is like alonso but a bether teamplayer. Great driver and man. Thanks for video keep going man
russel like alonso? naa
@@Allblue1 Oh well i think Russell is gonna be that good like Alonso
He gives everthing when he is in the car. No mather the position.
@@sasabalta168
True. He is beaten the 7 time world champion Lewis Hamilton. Only him and Rosberg achieved this. What a guy!
@@BSWEdits Kimi also beat Lewis in the same machinery 😅
Russell work his ass of in a under powered Williams and earned his seat
Absolutely, Max was always Marko's golden boy and Charles was handled in similar way. Only Russell and albon were mishandled. George was left to die in Williams for 3 years and Albon was cut short by freak of a car rb16. Newey is not bullet proof.
@@Beeevash what are you talking about? Golden boy? The guy in his first year in very competetive season in F3 was one of the best so RedBull took him mid-season. If there was a Golden boy, that's not max.
From reading the comments if I was Kubica I too would have been longing for that flight home haha :(
I don’t understand the hype behind russell. The audacity on this dude thinking he’s better than lewis.
So happy Russel’s now in a merc and Albon’s in the williams
There are always some Pointless Rookie Seasons some Go Tragic Endedin the Worst way Possible and 1 Rookie had to Suffer that Faith not knowing the Next day it was the Best of Best Soon After
anyone know what the background music?
the fact that people only remember kubica as george's teammate saddens me
this man is championship material, if not for that fckin rally crash
Wow..... I knew that Williams was slow, but qualifying 90th, and 20th is amazing! How the hell are you supposed to race when you qualify 90th???🤣🤣
Lol you miss heard, he said 19th lol
@@Holty. at 2:25ish it sure sounds like he says that "Russell and Kubica qualified last in 90th, and 20th"
That comparison with 21' Haas totally makes no ever slightest of sense to me. Nikita was hopelessly mediocre on F1 level, Mick - very late bloomer, both were pretty hotheaded and team management hasn't got a clue about ways of resolving that situation. Compared to Kubica's experience and George methodical determination (which cracked only on 21 season) - their situation has nothing in common. Almost only current direct analogy that I can think of is Bottas-Zhou pairing this year, but it lacks good team principal in equation. But it is still sad that we don't see Claire in some role in current paddock - she gives an impression of pretty mediocre team principal (or, more likely, hasn't got enough time to grow to that role), but pretty good on managing support side of the things.
Zero Hero - Well played
Another important point was that Kubica was driving with a modified Steering Wheel because 2011 fucked him up a lot
Don't forget to mention that Kubica did score points on that Williams beating George. This last race Russell lost against Stroll. Is there any need to say anything else ?
And now his teamate is the one with the greatest rookie of all time lol.
I see this guy being the next great driver to be hated buy most people like Hamilton nowadays
Now do the same but with Alonso and how him finishing behind Tarso Marques meant nothing at all XDD
Logy bear let’s go.
Not sure why you talk like a robot now but still a great video.
Who was here when Aldas didn’t change the title
Watching your videos has made me realize that I've had some ignorant (and pretty insufferable) F1 opinions, especially in the case of Russell and Alain Prost. Thank you for setting me straight.
Could you do one about Lando's rookie season?
Russel might pull a rosberg
Okay time to get some PowerPoints. Consistency is key
At least now the universe is balanced george in merc, lando in maclaren and albon in a williams
"How Good Was Russell's Pointless Rookie Season?"
Well, have to say that it was quite pointless.
That 1 race where kubica got the point George asked the pit and they didn’t pit him so he would have got that point that day! If they pitted him!
A bit late to analysis 2021 isn’t it?
F2 cars aren’t fully equal engines play a massive part and it’s said even by the drivers Lando had the best car in Bahrain but George F2 team improved and had the better engine for the remainder of the season same with Charles whilst he was driving with the miles better prema so to say he dominated in equal machinery is silly
Without understanding F1's point system this title just seems really biased and rude lmao
He got destroyed by kubica
Didn't he finish ahead of shamilton in points and wins this year? Sounds like first driver to me.
GOATIFI 🐐 plz
Kubica was given a f2 chasis
imagine zhou guanyu got 0 point in 2022.there would ve been waves of mocking and criticism....people called him pay driver even before his first race.
Yes, people called him out, but not to describe his skill, just that Piastri deserved a seat much more. Also Alfa Romeo with Bottas was in Q3 like 4 races in a row in 2022, that Wiliams was worse than 2021 Haas which got into Q2 once.
Well the alfa was a pretty good car so that would’ve been dumb. And he was a pay driver so idk how it would be wrong to call him that
russell is in mercades and he could in 2023
jinxed him
How
GR was a no points loser at Williams when it was even faster than the Haas and if you look at the 2016 Manor Racing car of Wehrlein or the even worse 2017 Sauber he scored points paying positions
He outscored Lewis in his first season together, funny that you missed the chance to say so….
maybe because on pure pace he cant match hamilton, and only beat him on merit
He has a limp wrist for lewis.
@@drugoviic he was very very close to lewis´s pace at the end of the season
funny that you just vaguely say that when there's more people that know that lewis was faster that whole season. Guess Ocon>alonso
@@drugoviicRosberg also couldn’t beat Hamilton on pure pace but he still won a championship against him in an equal car
Polish people are losing their minds when you mention to them how Russell was better than Kubica but they always defend him because of that insanely lucky 1 point that doesnt show the whole picture
Saying people don't see "the whole picture" while seeing nothing wrong with claim that Russell was straight up better despite very muddy circumstances in which they competed is pretty hypocritical.
Generalizing that all Polish people do that is wrong. Russel was better, but considering one driver had a car and other still a gokart, I'm pretty sure the gap between them would've been smaller if they were driving for Alfa Romeo for example.
What are you on about with your hungary comments?🤔 The hungaroring is THE downforce track & your wrong about Silverstone & Spa those tracks reward aero efficiency
Since you are calling it pointless yourself, well there you go.
LMAO @ 'some guy named charles leclerc'
I hate ro say it but first
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Another great in-depth video from Aldas. I never tire of these.
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Crikey
So far I can clearly say that
One handed GIGAKUBICA>7 time goat
Idk seemed kinda pointless
If you're nothing without a fast car, you shouldn't have one.
keep in mind that kubica hadnt driven an f1 car for quite some time and had thag rally accident
He was back in rallying the next year to my knowledge.
Arguably the worst Williams of all time.
Thank god Claire Williams left.
You would have thought Paddy Lowe would have been able to spearhead the development of a competitive car as well, though
@@RowskiF1996 I think it was just an easy paycheck for him.
F1 is the worse Motorsport out of them all. Money is how you win championships. There should be a smaller amount of money allowed to spend. The cap now only affects about half of the field. Then when Red Bull went over budget and won a championship isn’t fair. They fined them and let them continue as a true champ instead of a cheater. And that’s cheating. The other thing is they need to set guidelines. Mercedes had the moving steering wheel that they allowed until the end of the season. The FIA makes decisions hours after the race and it changes who won. F1 could be a great sport. But because of all the nonsense it’s not a sport that focuses on driver talent. Instead it’s how much money you have. When is the last time you seen a back field team climb to the top?
Russell's gap to Kubica isn't impressive when your consider Giovinazzi was over a second quicker than Kubica in 2021. But let's ignore that part because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Kubica was a reserve driver in 2021, totally different circumstances.
Giovanazzi was a 3rd year driver at the same team beating a reserve entrant filling in on short notice…..I’d hope he’d wipe the floor with Kubica like that.
@@karussoul Doesn't make a difference. Giovinazzi's gap to Kubica was larger.
@@NewscasterNews4 Kubica had two race wekends not one. So this excuse doesn't hold up.
@@chamindujanith6337 you did not just compare a 27 year old third year driver beating a reserve driver to a 21 year old rookie beating a full time driver 💀
Two race weekends, enough for a 36 year old with one half of an arm to instantly get up to pace with full time drivers after being given a short notice and hadn't driven a F1 car in 1.5 years. Context is clearly not your strong suit and it shows.
doesnt matter still got outscored by the Polish GOAT Roberrrrrrrrrrttttt KUBICA
It was pointless.
Some British guy with a better car who lost with some Slavic druncc guy with one hand.
Russel 2019 in a nutshell.
Its been log since Russel outqualified hamilton on pure pace
I think that a women competition would suit him better.