Best Half Ton Fifth Wheels
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- In this CZcams video we tour and review the 3 best 5th wheels for 1/2 ton pickup trucks. All 3 of these half ton mid profile fifth wheels are made by Grand Design. They are all light weight and can be towed by a half ton truck.
The floor plans of these half ton 5th wheel campers are all different and feature a rear kitchen design, a rear dinette design and a bunkhouse design.
The half ton fifth wheels we tour in this video are all Grand Design Refection 150 Series and the models are:
0:00 Intro
0:19 Grand Design Reflection 226RK
5:33 Grand Design Reflection 260RD
11:48 Grand Design reflection 278BH
19:14 Our Favorite Half Ton 5th Wheel
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Hi Everyone,
We hope you enjoyed our video! Which Grand Design Reflection was your favorite? Please say hello by leaving a comment below!
Also, please feel free to ask any questions or just tell us about yourselves. We want to get to know you and share our RV experiences.
@@deltahotelxray Hi Chris,
There are lots of trailers that offer theater seating instead of a dinette...Grand design 17MKE and the Geo Pro 19 or 19.5 are 2 good examples. I would suggest going onto RV Trader and using the filters to try to find what you are looking for. You can filter by year, length and you can type in Theater seat into the keyword filter.
I hope you can find it! We recently had the same experience with a Class A floor plan we fell in love with. I thought we would never find it again but we did eventually find it on RVTrader.com
Hope that helps!
Mike
Can you tow any of these with a short box?
You would need a fifth wheel with a rounded nose cap, and a slider hitch or similar device. It greatly depends on how you set it up, and in my opinion is more trouble than it's worth. You need a 3/4 ton truck with a 6.5 ft bed, there are plenty of guides, towing capacity, payload capacity vary greatly. Get the right rig the first time instead of trying to make something you have work.
👎 no
One thing that Grand Design has been plagued with is inter bearing issues. 2021 models have had 54 models recalled for this problem. Like to thank you for your great work in presenting us this video.
Hi commshopctr,
I didn't know that...thanks for sharing!
Happy Holidays!
Mike
At 1700 lbs cargo capacity, our half ton would just barely be able to tow the lightest of these three. Unless of course you don’t plan on filling the trucks gas tank or having a passenger or 2 on board. Great reviews, nice units. But really questioning how a half ton would legally tow any of these.
Hey RedSetter,
We appreciate your input and concern! Grand Design is stating their design is “half-ton towable redefined”, you can find more info at www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2021/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
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@@RVBlogger then Grand Design is honestly putting people at risk with that statement, and to blindly follow what they say without a good bit of warning is just as reckless.
@@RVBlogger You really should pay more attention to the numbers that count for safety's sake!
I really think these are outside of half ton trucks. Even “Max Tow” equipped ones.
Hey TexasScout,
We appreciate your input and concern! Grand Design is stating their design is “half-ton towable redefined”, you can find more info at www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2021/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
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Awesome review. Thank you! I always like to watch your videos. Very informative.
Thanks OSCAR!!!!
WE really appreciate the kind words!
Happy Holidays!
Mike and Susan
As usual, great job in the presentation, I appreciate your videos and have a blessed New Year!
Thanks Jamie!
We wish you a Happy New Year too!
Mike and Susan
Just because they say you can don't mean you should
HiMTBr 717,
Do you mean tow the 5th wheel with a half ton truck? If so we agree. These should only really be towed by the newer 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Older pickups may not be able to handle the weight...
Thanks for watching!
Mike and Susan
I have a 2014 Lite five Winnebago Fifth Wheel 26RKS (29ft) purchased in 2013, I have been towing it for 9 years with a Silverado 1500. No problems and we have been from Maine to South Carolina, and all over the finger lakes and PA with it. Truck has 150 miles it and it just did an amazing trip Connecticut to Ohio. We brought the truck the same time we brought the RV and the dealer said no problem and installed the fifth wheel hitch for us.
That's awesome!!! So glad you are loving your RV and travel. Thank you for support and commenting.
Hi Mike and Susan! I like numbers 2 and 3 fifth wheels. The last one because of the bunks and the other because of the u shape dinette. Thank you Mike and Susan. Hope you had a Merry Christmas. Have a great night and week and see you soon!
Hey Sherri,
Those are great choices!! We appreciate the support.
Thank you for comparing the RVs in detail.
Hey Luna,
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this is my favourite small 5th wheel yet love the rear kitchen
Hey Granny,
Great choice!
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Own the BH one and love it!
Hey Mark,
That's great!
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I agree with Susan on the 278BH, and we have the very similar 2017 Jayco 29.5BHDS, which has almost the same bunk area. The living room/kitchen areas are so much better though! We got ours for grandkid travels after two trips with setting up the couch and dinette every night for two weeks with our then Wildcat Maxx travel trailer, quite the pain! We’ve since had two long summer trips with the Jayco and so much better to have a ready to go area for them. When they don’t travel with us, it is extra storage. Another great review video. I love the magazine too!!!
I wouldn't allow my kids in that 5th on a 1/2 ton truck in the first place
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Awesome review, I sold on the Rear Dinette .
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Great Ideal for Timy Home Communties.
Yes indeed!
Happy Holidays!
Mike and Susan
This is a great video, but personally I would add a CYA statement at the beginning that what these trailers really need is a 3/4 ton or larger truck.
Hey Kathleen,
We appreciate your input and concern! Grand Design is stating their design is “half-ton towable redefined”, you can find more info at www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2021/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
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@@RVBlogger You made me go hunt through pictures - Good job! We started with a F150 Lariat, 4 doors short bed truck and I pulled up the picture of the door tag and the payload on the truck was 1432. With a hitch weight of 1,192 this only gives me 240 pounds of available payload. My F-250 diesel has 2,118 pounds of payload so just shy of 1,000 pounds more. I personally would still add a tidbit about payload because guaranteed Grand Design has way more liability insurance than you. They are fantastic trailers and I wish they passed the driveway test because if they did I might be getting a 5th wheel (driveway is 25 feet long so trailer has to be shorter than 25 feet). Have a great day and happy camping.
@@kathleenjettlund7617 That's 240lbs if the water tank is empty, the propane tanks are empty, no battery, 200lb+ hitch, other incidentals you carry in your trailer + occupants of truck & your deff WAY over payload. Manufacturer's suggestions for 1/2T towable is close to criminal IMHO!
@@RVBlogger Grand Design and all the other manufacturers who advertise these units as half ton towable are dead wrong! A lawsuit waiting to happen! No offense or anything. I personally own a GD Reflection 150 series 280rs and tow it with a Ram 2500 diesel. Fully loaded with a full tank of water, I'm left with 77 lbs of payload. That's based on my last trip to the CAT scale! Great presentation of the three units!
Concur with many other posters. '1/2 ton towable' is marketing hype. The 3 trailers you highlight MAY be able to be safely hauled by about 5%-10% of 1/2 ton trucks on the road.....these would fall into the 'properly equipped tow vehicle' CYA disclaimer you'll find in the RV owner's manual. You would likely need a special ordered unicorn F150 HDPP, lightly equipped to have enough payload to handle any non-Scamp type 5'ver.
The average pin weight on a 10K GVWR 5'ver will be about 2200 lbs (22% of GVWR).....not the 'dry' brochure weights published by the manufacturer. No one is towing a trailer without pots, pans, grills, clothes, hoses, power cords, propane, battery etc.
As the payload capacity on a modestly equipped 1/2 ton truck will be about 1800 lbs, you would be 400 lbs over truck payload on a 10K trailer before any occupants, gear and the hitch were even factored in. Easy to see a 10K 5'ver putting an average 1/2 ton truck 1000 lbs over payload cap when all is said and done. Even many 3/4 ton diesels (due to engine weight) would bust payload on a 10K 5th wheel!
We traded in our 150 for a 250 to tow our 6000-pound trailer because we were close to maxing out the payload capacity. I would never dream of pulling a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton that's just insane.
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I couldn’t agree more Mark! It’s nice to see someone else understanding payload capacity. Not too many regular cab, 2wd, long box half ton trucks (or unicorns lol) on the road these days
None of these are able to be pulled with my 1/2 ton truck but they are all beautiful campers the last one is my favorite
Hey Paul,
We appreciate the input, great choice! :)
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Thanks
You're welcome. Hope you found it helpful.
I love this series. We have a Coachmen 246RKS that we love but a tree fell on it and it is totaled! We just replaced our F250 diesel with an F350 diesel so no problem with these units. We do not want to go too big. Somebody needs to clarify the term “half ton towable”! Newbies think “I can tow this with my half ton pickup “! Wrong! The correct meaning is some properly equipped half ton trucks may tow this safely. Some as in few! Towing involves pulling, controlling, and stopping your rig! Why would you risk the lives of your family by taking a chance. Get the heavier truck with the bigger brakes! Of course you could end up with an F350 like mine whose brake controller does not work due to poorly written software!
Keep up the good videos and give your wife more screen time!
Thanks Paul for all that additional insight and tips! I'm (Susan) a little camera shy but working on it! Thank you 😉
We love the RD. But sadly couldn’t make the pin weight work for our 1/2 ton.
Hey Minnie,
oh no! That is a great choice though.
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I liked the rear dinette best. Best kitchen storage and huge refrigerator/freezer capacity and a real queen bed. I detest camp queens!
Hi Rosemary,
Thanks for your insight!
Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Mike and Susan
I liked #1 and #3, depends on if our kids come with or not. I'd definitely get a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup, but you definitely don't need a diesel or dually for any of these.
Hey Bryan,
Great choices!
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I'm with Susan I liked the BH one too
Hey Melinda,
Great choice!
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Well put together video. very general about which 1/2t make and model can tow these trailers. I just looked up the specs and saw that there are a limited select few 1/2-ton trucks that can legally tow these trailers. I highly suggest that if you are thinking about towing one of these with a half-ton truck, to verify your towing specs on the truck first, because not ALL 1/2-ton trucks can tow these trailers. however, it was a nice trailer review.
It's just another why the RV industry is not trusted any more. If they ever towed them, they truly wouldn't sale the 1/2 ton towing ideal. Yes, It's truly a nightmare accident waiting to happen. Family's get killed every year from advice just like this. The RVs are so good looking, the buyer trys to make it work on a less expensive 1/2 ton truck and the family ends up in the hospital with the RV scattered all over the roadway....
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My 2020 F-150 with Max Tow had "Do not tow a 5th wheel" . I have seen 150's doing the 5th wheel , I will not. I have a 250 now
Glad you moved up to the 250 and feel safer! Thank you for watching our RV tour and commenting!
I have this same year and I have never seen such a warning. Been towing a fifth wheeler for thousands of miles with no issues
New sub here! Thanks for the info. We tow a Tandara 285RL with a RAM 2500.
Hey Our Road Less Traveled,
Welcome and thanks! NICE!
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I have the bunk house model and it's so big and roomy inside . I can walk and move all around inside without having to duck, except in the master bedroom at the very front . Plus we have empty cupboards, that's almost unheard of in a camper.
Hey Lonnie,
That sounds AMAZING! :)
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We are presently in a 2017 Hybrid 21ss Rockwood Roo, transitioning to a 5th wheel. Presently we have the Grand Design 260 RD and the Keystone Cougar 24 RDS as our finalists. With minor differences they are practically sister RV's. Enough so that it is going to come down to a coin flip. What will probably settle the score will be the warranties and which company serves their customers better. Do you or your subscribers have any information to share about warranty differences and customer service of Grand Design versus Keystone Cougar? Thanks for the video. Very helpful and informative!! BTW, we have a 2022 F350 Diesel to pull the trailer, so half ton truck controversy is not in play. Steve
Wow! Two great choices! Sorry for the delayed response. Did you pick a winner yet?
We have a 23 280 RS my 18 1500 denali with 6.2 pulls mine great
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
Awesome video thanks. Can you answer me one question. Why do the majority of the RV’s have the dining area overlooking the neighboring campsite not your own? Thanks again.
Hi Scott,
That is a great question! But in the vast majority of floor plans we have reviewed the dinette overlooks the hookups...such a beautiful sight!
Hope you have a Happy New Year!
Mike and Susan
Nice video , the thing that’s kills the first 2 fifth wheels is you have to put the slide out to get to the bedroom & bathroom . After pulling a fifth wheel for about 30,000 miles in the last 6 years there are times it’s just does not work . There are times you just need to sleep or use the bathroom & leave the slide in .
Hey Transnexus
Great point!!
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Fun fact if you buy a brand new half ton pickup and then you install a fifth wheel hitch you have voided your warranty because you have to modify the frames in order to make the hitch work because they don't make hitches for half-ton pickups and you have to buy it for 3 quarter ton pickup also your resale value drops dramatically because you have now cause frame damage to your vehicle because it was not designed to have weight pulled on the frame rails in that manner I work in the automotive field and when we find a half ton truck with a fifth wheel hitch is always assumed that the vehicle has frame damage and is not recommended by the manufacturer or anyone else to put any over the axle hitch and because of the damage it will cause.
Hi Jason, Thanks for this comment. Is this info verifiable somewhere or is this just how you handle things at your dealership? I would like to write a blog article ( and possibly revisions to older articles) but I need to be able to confirm this info. If you can provide some proof sources it would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
Mike
@RVBlogger it is common practice amongst dealers. A part of my job is finding frame damage on used vehicles. We are required to report all fithwheel hitches but if we find a 1/2 ton truck with one we are required to report it as frame damage not olny because you have to drill holes in the frame to mount it but because of the pressure on the smaller frame. There are holes in the frames of larger trucks from the factory because they expect it will have one at some point. My recommendation is to spend a little bit more for the gas powerd 3/4 ton truck. It will last longer and maintain its value better.
@RVBlogger also read the contract you sighn when buying a vehicle with a warranty it will warn you of what can void your warranty and modification of the frame is tipicly an instant void.
That is simply not true. My 2020 F150 max tow did NOT need any frame mods to accept a fifth wheel hitch. Been safely to Yellowstone, Navarre Beach, Gatlinburg, Ocala, and more with zero issues pulling an Open Range 297 RLS.
@@bruceturner8922 how many holes did they drill to mount it
Looks like they have ducted air conditioning! The big 12 volt refers are impressive. I wonder if they have an adequate battery set up to handle that load off-grid. Grand Design seems to be popular for good reason. Still, wish they would lighten up the decor inside. Soo much storage in these, that I can't imagine using it all. I love the RearKitchen model. $60k and up is a big price tag, but worth it if you are using it a lot or living in it. We are trying to downsize from our travel trailer, not go bigger, however, there is a lot to like in these fifth wheels. I am not sure about hauling that much weight with a half-ton truck, tail waggin' the dog, and all that. I would recommend caution when choosing your tow vehicle. Thank you for sharing these RVs with us!
Best use a 3/4 ton or more...
Hey Amy,
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No, these generally come with one 12 Volt lead-acid battery. You can’t draw more than 50% of the battery capacity with this setup, so unless you upgrade your system, you won’t have the juice for Boondocking. I currently have 2 lead acid batteries I’m getting ready to replace, and they didn’t have the power to do much of anything off-grid without my generator.
How tall are you. In bedroom of the 5th wheels seem like a little ducking was required that you couldn't fully stand
Hey Pamela,
I, Mike, am 5ft 11in. :)
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Well done! Love all the counter space in the kitchens. I'm surprised with fifth wheels that big and spacious they didn't use king beds. Being tall I appreciate the higher mounting for the showerhead, too, but why didn't the shower door frames reach all the way up to the ceiling? There's a huge gap there. Doesn't some water splash out?
Hi sdraper!
The shower doors don't go to the ceiling so you can vent the steam out of the shower. Steam in an RV is a big problem.
Thanks for watching!
Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Mike and Susan
@@RVBlogger Ah, thank you for the answer, we were wondering about that through the last several videos. Merry Christmas to you!
are they 5 season fifth wheels and are they unplugged. that is a must love your show, and magazine God bless
Hey Victor,
Can you elaborate, we're not sure what you mean unplugged! Thanks!
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off the grid that you can stay all your days of life
I meant to ask have you ever did one with the front end living room
HI Ken,
We sure did! Here's the link so you can check it out...
czcams.com/video/cCTk2S5pesA/video.html
Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Mike and Susan
I liked the first one best with rear kitchen. too expensive for me though, ill stick with my 1989 camper van probably forever lol
Sounds like you have a nice reliable camper van! Enjoy and safe travels. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Even the smallest one is over the weight rating of my 2013 GMC Sierra 1500.
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King bed would be great. I don't see any plugins in the kitchen. It seems to be the norm.
Hey Robert
Great point!
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There are a very few 1/2 ton trucks capable of towing these 5ers, but I think the majority of 1/2 trucks are not capable and Grand Designs is intentionally misleading customers.
So is Keystone! Their Cougar half ton series has more pin weight than the 150 series.
So True, So True! Just the fact that they have to keep touting that a 1/2 ton can pull these is a sure sign. They get unsuspecting RVer’s who believe this unsafe information. Better off to buy a 3/4 ton without all the bells and whistles then to pull these with a 1/2 ton. We never pull more than 2/3 the max recommended tow weight. Just our preference.
Hey Captain Blacktoe,
We appreciate the info!
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Is there an extractor fan for the shower room & oven ?
Yes. All 3 Grand Design floor plans had an oven and an exhaust fan. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting!
I'm not sure why the last one said "sleeps 10", That's a small space to cram in 10 people, and with just one toilet. I thought everything about the first one was good because if someone is cooking and someone is trying to watch TV the person cooking wouldn't have a TV in their face and the person watching wouldn't have someone obstructing the view. Also also, Mike's 5'11" (I've heard) and he looked a little stooped getting closer to the head of the beds' But, great stuff, thanks for your time and hope you and yours have a safe and happy holiday season.
Hi Tuvia!
Thanks for watching!!!!!!
Happy Holidays to you and yours!
Mike and Susan
These would be perfect to tow with a Nissan Titan XD
The Reflection 150 series is a definite possibilty. Thanks for watching and commenting Jose!
How does your truck tow the 5th wheel camper? What is your tow capacity and your dry weight of your 5th wheel? I have a 2022 2.7 EcoBoost super crew with a 10,100 towing capacity. Looking to upgrade my camper to a 5th wheel camper. Looking at the cougar sport now. What dry weight range should I be looking at? Thank you
Hi Rodney, we recommend that you never tow more than 80% of your max tow capacity. So you would need a 5th wheel that weighs about 8,000 lbs GVWR so you are looking at a 5th wheel that weighs around 6,000 lbs so when you add 2,000 lbs of gear and supplies you are at about 8,000 lbs.
ope this info helps!
Mike
@@RVBlogger thanks I found a cougar sport at 7400 dry and I spoke to ford and they said I can do 7656 lbs which would leave 2444 for payload. My truck for total weight with a fifth wheel is 12900 according to ford. Would put in air brakes and electric trailer brakes. Still shopping thanks again
@@rodneypage7063 Best of luck to you! We have heard great things about Alliance RVs and know at least a dozen people who own them - and we know the owners of the company. Customer service is excellent! Let us know whatever you decide to buy!
Mike
Design question....kitchen & dinette area, where are the electrical plugs ins. I have not seen any and I need my coffee first thing in the morning.
Sorry we didn't cover that feature better in those areas. We usually do. Unfortunately I can't answer that now. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting. We appreciate your support!
Look at the cargo capacity sticker on your half ton pickup and you’ll find your number. The more bells whistles you have the lower your cc. What they mean when they say half ton is a properly spec’d half ton, and that should be criminal. It is unethical. The cc on most half tons is in the low to mid teens. Add a hitch, batteries, propane, people, supplies, air bags and there’s nothing left. 1,200 lb hitch weight plus your hitch and a driver, and even the most stout half ton is at its limit or over. Remember, the weight of the truck and the size of the brakes make huge difference.
Well said, right on the money
Hey DJ
We appreciate your response and concern! We made this video based on Grand Design’s Half Ton Towable Redesigned design. For more information about them check out: www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2021/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
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Do any of those kitchens actually have exhaust fans? Beacuse it doesn't look like it.
There is usually some type of exhaust, either in the range or the ceiling. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting!
Yes they have one in the roof above sink
What is accessible in the travel mode?
Hi Thomas,
It depends on the floor plan.
We shot these at an RV Show and were not allowed to move the slides in.
Happy Holidays!
Mike and Susan
1/2 ton trucks don’t have the suspension, brakes and rotors, to handle the weight. Don’t forget hitch weight, passengers. Not only do you need to pull it, you gotta be able to stop it. I always tow 60-80% of tow capacity. My f150 can tow 8300lb. My RV is 4100empty, 6900grose
Hey Paul,
We appreciate your response and concern! We made this video based on Grand Design’s Half Ton Towable Redesigned design. For more information about them check out: www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2021/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
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First 5 wheel would be 1/2 ton towable with a Factory Ordered Max towing Package, still better with a 3/4 ton, but doable even X-country. 2nd one is HD 1/2 ton towable as long as you stay out of mountains and limit trips to a few hundred miles tops, and planning on staying week stays at each site. The std. tow packages on 1/2 tons cannot handle this size 5 wheel. The Largest 5 Wheel in this video could only be towed by a HD1/2 ton to a close location for the season. For instance, a beach campground. \
For reference i occasionally tow a 12,000 lb. equipment trailer with a GCVW 9,000 to +11,000 loads using a 1/2 ton with a rare Factory Ordered Max towing Package and added air bags. You will not find this type of 1/2 ton on a dealer lot. Were towing be part of my day job, I would want a 3/4 ton, however a capable 1/2 ton for everyday use rides so much better and uses 75% of the gas.
On second though, as I've never had a white knuckle, soil my draws experience towing with my equipment trailer, along with moving a 30ft travel trailer on occasion, towing with our max payload/tow package 1/2 ton, just don't tow with a 1/2 don unless you are like me, a general calculated risk taker with a squad of guardian angels.
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Only half ton for this will be a base line option free standard 2dr cab
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I liked the rear dinette. It is big enough for the occasional guest. But I actually like the smaller fridge. I like the wider doors of the freezer on top. I never liked side by side fridges, they are too narrow. Can't fit a pizza in them.
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I do not like side-by-side refer. I am living with one and will be very happy when we replace it.
I'm not a fan of 5th wheels but I would choose RK
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i am with you, i hate shower curtains !!!
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After watching just the first two or three of these I can see why people are questioning the 1/2 ton towable description. It’s because they have trucks that are pre 2019 in model year. The brand new 2022 Ram 1500 has a tow rating of over 12,000 lbs and thats trailer weight. A fifth wheel by its very design will be easier to tow than a trailer. Thats part of the selling point of a fifth wheel. Of course you lose most if not all of your truck bed except maybe a tool box up against the cab. I suggest people have a look at some of the new Ram pickups. I was just in a Ram 1500 crew cab 4x4 short bed with a towing capacity in excess of 12,000 lbs and that wasn’t even the 🔝 of the line model. I think you can even look online at them. Makes you wonder what a 2500 can do lol
Tow rating isn’t the concern, I have a 2020 Ram 1500, crew cab, 4x4 and my payload capacity is just over 1400lbs…. The very first trailer he shows has a 1200lbs pin weight while it’s empty, then add close to 100 for your actual 5th wheel hitch. So to tow that trailer empty, I would be left with 100lbs available payload for my truck and that would be for me, my wife, and 2 kids, pets, and any other cargo that might go in the truck. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a half ton towable 5th wheel
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@@BigBirdNest So True!
Our 2020 1/2 ton has a 12,500 tow cap but can’t fit that pin weight in our cargo cap.
Just made a post. Then replied to my own post to add, "don't try this at home (or on the open road) kids."
Such a great video but no outside information, why?
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You can probably tow them, but can you stop them in a pinch? Probably not. They are perfect for a 250/2500HD series truck, though.
Maybe so...do you own a 5th wheel and a half ton pickup?
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@RVBlogger - I don't own a half-ton truck anymore. I traded it in for a 3/4-ton truck. Got tired of unstable towing and stopping issues with heavy trailers.
@@robertcolpitts4534 What year was the one you owned?
@RVBlogger - We're shopping for a sub-30 ft 5er right now. I have a 2022 Silverado 2500HD that will definitely handle a small 5er. I've towed heavy bumper pull trailers in the past, and the wind was a bit problematic. The one we had was a 2001 27-ft bumper pull that was about 8000 lbs loaded. It was definitely an adventure pulling that one in the wind.
Based on my personal experience, I would NEVER tow a trailer with a GVWR above 6,000 pounds and a total length over 25 feet with a 1/2 ton truck, regardless of the tow package. Any trailers above those limits are in 3/4 ton range. With the trailers described in this video, a 3/4 ton truck or larger is mandatory. Weights aside, the wind resistance of trailers this large would be unmanageable with a half ton truck.
Thank you for offering your personal experience. We never want anyone to tow without confidence. According to Grand Design website..."Everything you love about the Reflection and less. With floorplans starting under 7,000 pounds and 90-degree turning radius capabilities, you can tow in confidence with many of today’s half-ton and short-bed trucks. Keep your truck and ditch the stress with the Reflection 150 Series." Thanks for watching and commenting.
Jest buy a semi man…sounds like you need it the feel “confident”
Why are you pushing towing a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton truck? Its unwise and unsafe anyway you look at it, no matter what the RV manufacturing company says.@@RVBlogger
we are sharing RV floor plan and information that is provided by the manufacturer. We are not pushing anything. @@swanni222
Totally agree. Its not fun paying for a 3/4 ton these days but recommendations like this are going to get people hurt. Typical RV dealer type recommendations.
Suggestion: Become more familiar with 1/2 ton truck load ratings and what it's like for a 1/2 ton truck to tow these weights up and down significant grades. Also, after living mostly off-grid for 12 years while relying on 12V refrigeration and its 24/7/365 battery demands, I'm thankful for our absorption system. 12V refrigeration sounds easier...but isn't unless plugged in or it comes with a very large/$$$$ solar/battery system.
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What 1/2ton pulls that safely?
None
Some of today's 1/2 ton trucks have a tow capacity of 14,000lbs. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting.
Have you ever did a 5th wheel with a front kitchen
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Its not a 1/2 ton, go through the numbers! Its a 3/4 ton truck needed.
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Is it the gvwr i need to no?
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Can you be a little more specific? I'm not sure what you mean.
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Only place u should tow these with a half ton is to the other side of the yard so u can cut the grass under it.
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Don't like having to put the slide out to access the bathroom.
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I hate when they say 1/2 Ton towable because it’s under 10k but yet the tongue weight is well over 1500 lbs. That eliminates it from the 1/2 Ton towable.
He already said it was 1100 lbs, if you tried watching the video.
@@vmxg8052 perhaps on the first unit. Not the others! Besides, dry weight really doesn't count. You must go off your loaded weight. Fifth wheels transfer 15-20% onto the pin, which transfers to the tow vehicle. These units are more suited to 3/4 tons and bigger!
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I had one and tried to tow it with my F150.
Burned the transmission and rear-end out. Don't pull it with a 1/2 ton.
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grand design is the only company that makes the best 5th wheels, cool story bro.
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Half ton towable , suckers!
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1/2 tons have no business towing 5th wheels.
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Tongue weight on all of these with 2 people and fuel would exceed payload on 90 percent of all 1/2 tons. Not a good idea. Stick with a 20 ft or less
I hope there aren’t any mountains cuz that half ton is going to struggle. Signed, a half-ton owner
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I have a half ton with a Diesel no way would I be able to pull this
I’ll keep my 2250rk Imagine. There’s no way to justify 20k plus on this one compared to the 2250rk.
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Great for a half ton truck, with a driver and no propane or batteries, or gear... nevermind water. ;)
We always tell people to know the tow capacity of your vehicle and the GVWR of an RV before purchasing. AND only tow 80% of your tow vehicle's capacity to safely tow. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting!
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Every video on half ton towables will be accompanied by the “no half ton should to this” crowd spouting gloom and doom predictions. I have towed literally thousands of miles with a 2020 F-150 3.5 ecoboost with max tow package. My Open Range 297rls is well within the limits on tow capacity and hitch weight. I run 10 ply tires, have Tembrels on the axles and the 10 speed transmission in tow mode eliminates any pushing that may occur on steep grades. With the right combination of truck and trailer it is more than possible, within the legal limits and certainly safe.
Thank you Bruce!!!!! Finally a voice of reason!
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Hmmmmm - interesting. What is your units dry weight?
No, no, no!! Do not tow a fifth wheel with a half ton!! You will end up buying a 3/4 ton. 5,000 lb travel trailer max.
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NO way would I attempt to pull that with a 1/2 T PU and I've been pulling RV trailers for going on 33 years! Pulling loaded weight maybe okay but still a struggle for a 1/2T gas, payload...no way! Most likely close to or at max payload for any 1/2T before even loading truck and trailer!
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My 2015 Ram 1500 1/2 truck will not pull this trailer, it has a capacity of 8000lbs not to pull a 10,000lb trailer. So not all 1/2 tons will pull this safely.
Maybe that's based on the age of your truck. Thanks for watching and commenting. www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2023/fifth-wheel/reflection-150-series
Get a ford
RV blogger in the link you are providing from Grand Design, what "ton" Ford dose the video show towing the fifth wheel? @@RVBlogger
I'm just sharing Grand Designs page explaining their 1/2 ton information@@swanni222
Well I myself would not believe this. We bought one of these 150 towable 5 th wheels The truck really struggled and that was on flat highway. So needless to say traded the 1500 truck in for a 2500 to tow it with. If you look it up on you tube they made some modifications to a 1500 to make it work.
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Pulling any sort of 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton sounds insane to me. The engines in modern 1/2 tons... sure, but the suspension is still WAY lacking. I can't believe that these companies can even market these things as "half ton towable."
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The reason it can be done because properly equipped 1/2 ton with a max tow package usually have 1800-2200 lbs of payload capacity and usually pin weight at most are like 1500 lbs plenty of room for occupants and gear in the truck.
There is no way a half ton truck will pull this trailer, maybe on flats at 25 mph and downhills.
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lol ok. Maybe an F550? 😂😂
3:13 it’s a faux live edge
Does that make it a dead edge 🤭
LOL
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What a strange name for a countertop edge...
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Misleading. You need a HD for fifth wheel as it is made for that. I would not get this. For that price get a airstream that you can tow with a half ton
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WOW has this been a hot topic! But I'm not sure anyone looking for a roomy 5th wheel would settle for an airstream which feels small inside.
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This video is proof positive that RV salesmen care nothing at all for customer vehicular safety.
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Meh x3...IF I were to choose any of the 3, it would be the BH, but even that one begrudgingly...Too many things not to like...
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I really don't get it. I have a 2018 Keystone Outback 266RB and I have a decent amount of storage, but everyone keeps saying, a large amount of storage, lots of storage. I have the largest bathroom ever made and I can say this since I have this in my travel trailer with two medicine cabinets and a huge shower.
that seems such a great layout!
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Just wait for an accident with fatalities and a lawyer. The ntsb should really get involved in the rv industry. Even if the weight is in range your pulling a huge box that has wind loads exponentially adding forces that a half ton truck can’t control.
And in addition to the truck being light, the brakes are small...
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BS, Do not pull a 5th wheel with a half ton truck. The pin weight on this 5th wheel is almost 1200 lbs. before you even put gas, cargo, humans in the truck you are already pushing the limits of a half ton truck. RV manufacturers will say whatever they can to get your money with no regard to your safety. I pulled an almost 8000 lb trailer with a Tundra that was "rated" to pull 10,500lb let me tell you it was all the truck could do to get up over mountains and back down. Not to mention have you ever tried to get 35' camper and truck into a gas station??? LOL that is an adventure in itself.
I pull similar with a Ram 1500 with a very slightly higher tow rating (11,460). I've not had problems you've described over about 15,000 towing miles. The Hemi does seem to run out of breath a bit more easily at 9,000+ feet, but I expected that with a normally aspirated engine. I could go the speed I wanted, it's just not much reserve. My trailer (Apex UL 253RLS) is about 30 feet butt to ball, I never thought it exceptionally hard to maneuver around fuel islands. It's big, you've got to be careful and watch your tail swing. Not a problem.
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All have a useless key cabinet. Not sure why they wasted the space. Otherwise like the weight with spacious floor plan.
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I work full time in the industry and I am so delighted to see how many of you know that it is definitely NOT 1/2 ton towable.
Both extremely dangerous and illegal with regards to weight limits.
Nice trailer but don’t ever use a 1/2 ton truck. Your families safety and your fellow adventurers on the road is the most important issue.
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Sorry but you (and others) are crazy if you think these 5th wheels are 1/2 ton towable. You are doing people on the road a disservice, not to mention unsafe, by spreading this information.
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You are wrong with your dated misinformation.
All those are way too heavy for half tons.
According to Grand Design it works. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I disagree..I don't think you tow with a 1/2 ton.
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If you pull this with a half ton you will be sorry
You definitely need to know the tow capacity of your vehicle and we always encourage towing only 80% of your vehicle's capacity for safety.
Light is another word for cheap garbage.
These would be dangerous behind a 1/2 ton.
Depending the power and age of your 1/2 ton truck. Thank you for watching our RV tour video and commenting!
Can’t be done
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I just don't think a half ton truck is appropriate for a "half ton" 5th wheel, even if it can. You're pushing safety limits.
Keystone Cougar offers more floor plans.
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To heavy for a 1/2 ton truck!
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I agree! In my opinion, there is no such thing as a half ton towable 5th wheel. Maybe a regular cab, long box, 2wd with a 100lbs driver with no passenger or cargo
@@BigBirdNest you are 100% correct!