seems like it makes the most sense to just keep the old red and upgrade the shifters/calipers. That's where most of the weight-saving and comfort difference is.
Yip, agree 💯 I'll wait until they sell parts individually, then get the new hoods/shifters which come with the brake calipers, 10-36 cassette for better range. The backwards compatibility element and detachable battery make Sram my group sets of choice on mtb, road and gravel. 🔥
With the extreme developments in battery technology nowadays, I would have expected they'd make them smaller and lighter (with the same mount so that the old batteries can still be used)
@@petersouthernboy6327 ah alright, didn't know. I still ride mechanical. Just interpreted it with the size and my assumption of weight per volume 😂 Just thought they could be way smaller with the limited capacity they offer (compared to phone batteries for example)
Just can't get excited when I see those huge batteries hanging onto each derailleur. Shimano is so much neater and more aero keeping the battery inside the frame.
Thanks Grant., if I just upgrade only shifters with my existing red GS, will the bonus button functionality work and can I switch gears (easy /hard and front chainrings) .
I'm recently retired now and can no longer afford it. It's back to mechanical groups once my Di2 fails. We are living in a World now where everything and I do mean everything has gone up.
When will you do a similar vid on this groupset like you did on Campa superrecord, i.e. bashing it to the ground because it's stupidly expensive, even more so than Campa?
thats wild, I will have to weigh I hope those reviewers compare everything to like di2 wires battery, rotors and all and power meter, we have to see in real time
I just compared identical bike model weights on Canyon website, new Red vs Dura-Ace - looks like Shimano still the lightest (at least top-tier groupset)
It’s lighter than dura ace, so definitely the lightest groupset on the market. I prefer ultegra overall, but you can’t deny it’s over 200 grams lighter.
everything is backwards compatible between the new group and the old components according to SRAM's release announcement. The only catch is this group will not release a rim brake version.
@@GCPerformance18 ok, so theoretically you need a 1cm shorter steem or cockpit, and this could be expensive purchase. In terms of weight, SRAM is lighter only because of the crank, practically all other components are heavier. The Shimano with a different crank is much lighter. I believe that SRAM is much better for mtb, but it is still far from road bike
I have AXS on five bikes - road, gravel, cyclocross, mtb, ebike. I ride in Colorado on everything from glass smooth tarmac to Winter Park DH trails, including bumpy washboard gravel descents. Rain, snow, you name it. I've had AXS on all my bikes for 3 years now and never lost a battery, including the one on my dropper post. Had an epic muddy snowy gravel race in February, 50km in horrendous conditions, the AXS worked perfectly the whole trip.
More like a facelift on the current GS and sell higher price. Real marketing genius....Noob will like it because they are the lastest!! LMAO!! But one thing, the battery and cassette are compatible with the previous model. A ++ for me!!!
@@GCPerformance18 many thanx sir & keep up the great videos 👍 I live in Wales part of the UK. Basically is rains here most of the year 🤦♂️ I’m very jealous of your weather 😉
@GCPerformance18 Three questions. About the Shifters: are they equipped with auxiliar plugs? About the rear derailleur: it is compatible with the pre-existence Ceramicspeed OSPW products for AXS? About rotors: are they 160mm only? Thank you! BTW great video mate. keep them coming! 😎👍
so no plugs, they are meant to be paired with the wireless shifter, and yes for the ospw, because the ospw that works for the new red is the same thing..... and for rotors right now they are 160 but they will make 140s as well
New red shifters are longer so the reach becomes also longer. Some bikes like the Tarmac sl8 are pretty long so with this Sram red shifters it becomes even longer. Something to think about when choosing a frame size and stem. This Groupset is mainly used by the competition riders and they use stupid long stems so these shifters will help them to sit longer/lower and use a normal lenght stem that will benefit the handling of the bike. The question is if this longer shifters will benefit the normal riders. Maybe they should stay with the Force and Rival shifters or change the lenght of the stem if that is possible (changing one piece carbon handlebar/stem combo's is expensive).
I mean the hand support you get from the hood is way better then the normal shifter, they are I think the best feeling hood out and this is me who has 12 speed ultegra, so I would compensate the little longer reach, I could either get use to it or go shorter stem
I love the look of SRAM but it’s not as good as Shimano. I used Force for a while and have used RED but I had to go back to Ultegra. The shifting was no where near as crisp or snappy.
Off topic, what is lightest integrated aero handlebar? I looking up integrated bars but so many look round and not aero I'm split between round integrated or aero handlebars and stem (wish someone compared those as know without stem is good)
right now i have the exs, they are very lightweight wiuthout compromising stiffness, darimo and also avian are stupid light 1 piece bars but ihave seen videos of them flexing like crazy under simple pressure, I am running the exs on my tarmac sl8 and I am 200 pounds and sprint and they give me support
@@GCPerformance18 okay thanks I look at those, last I wrote I think was trek Emonda handlebars but wondered if better, it nice having it written down and over time buying the build Unsure if same, I seen Rapide road integrated cockpit that is lighter than last I wrote down (like mid way between what I wrote and avian)
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah that was the goal. I believe the newer groupset is 154 grams lighter than the older groupset. Which is not bad. But I would still go with Dura Ace due to better battery life. Which is more important than weight when to comes to electronic groupsets.
I prefer the look of the new hood but the new look of the crackset and the rear derailleur they look cheap i prefer the look of the old one 😢 i prefer the new Shimano 😊
yea shimano in europe right now is wild, but shimano over here is still the same price, I have no idea why, we have so many customers buying it online and shippiong over here
Shimano for me Ia have a scott foil rc10 with Ultegra 12speed and i love it. Dont like the sram shifters. For me sram only beat Shimano no crank warms, in chainring i prefere the traditional 52-36
this is for sure, but this happens all the time when new stuff hits the market people are always satisfied with there products until they feel the new stuff and then they want it
Cost pretty much same. Weights are slightly lighter everywhere, works perfectly as we expect. It was announced like 3 hours ago.. give him a minute and enjoy your actual lunch.
Bro said he didn’t get a sram case at the beginning, which means he’d have to fully disassemble this ready to buy bike to get those. Ben Delaney has a break down of all that on his channel.
I figured there would be 20 other channels opening up coolers, that they can weigh it, I will have a video very soon showing off comparing weight to weight sram vs shimano..... but I do not have demo bikes to test ride, everything opn this channel I pay for myself, I am not media and these companies do not favor me
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
THANK YOU! You are the only one that pronounces SRAM correctly. Everyone else uses an H in the pronunciation. Drives me nuts! SSSSSSSSRRRRRAAAAM people, Not SHRAM.
Incoming, Shimano fanboys pooping on SRAM for every little thing. I quite like my SRAM Rival AXS, but I will say that Shimano hoods are WAAAAAAAAYYYYY better. But you can't beat SRAM for being FULLY wireless and having those wonderful little batteries that don't need to be charged on the bike, you know, like Shimano, hehe.
send me an email with a presentation of something you feel comfortbale speaking about and send me a 20 minute video strait through, no editing I would love to judge you
@@GCPerformance18 You've had enough practice to not have to use verbal crutches. You also put yourself out there which is going to come with criticism. So stop crying
SRAM- COME ON!!! Get my guy a cooler!!!!!!!
This makes me so happy :))
Thanks bro, i know you’re been waiting for this new gp set so long and me as well, great groupset
Congrats!! Finally you are an insider!
lmoa hell no, we had to buy this bike for our store this is stock, this is 14,000 sitting on our floor that wil come due is 30 days lol
0:02 Hello my name GRUNT, that's the sound when I crash my piggy bank🐖🔨💥 to buy a new SRAM release!🔨
SAVAGE
@@timjacob991
savage
That reverse wrap on the bar tape looks clean AF. I Need to do that. Thanks for confirming garmin page switching. Will be upgrading for that.
thanks so much for watching
The best review so far!
thank you so much
3:01 mark - I love longer spots for hands!
hahaha
the ten tooth smoothness might be down to the bigger pulley wheels. It's a good-looking groupset as always
yea it could be that paired with the new chain
Good job GC!
Thanks!
Has this aggressive industrial look. I was always fond of the flowy designs of the older Red groupos. But looks cool. Thx for the review.
yea me too I think it looks nice
seems like it makes the most sense to just keep the old red and upgrade the shifters/calipers. That's where most of the weight-saving and comfort difference is.
yea you can get away with that for sure
Yip, agree 💯
I'll wait until they sell parts individually, then get the new hoods/shifters which come with the brake calipers, 10-36 cassette for better range.
The backwards compatibility element and detachable battery make Sram my group sets of choice on mtb, road and gravel.
🔥
With the extreme developments in battery technology nowadays, I would have expected they'd make them smaller and lighter (with the same mount so that the old batteries can still be used)
Always have a weak spot for SRAM, so excited to see it 🎉
They have a product roadmap like all tech companies. Making batteries smaller seems trivial compared to that lever update.
@@gravgravThey are probably doing a lot of development in parallel
SRAM batteries are ridiculously light already.
@@petersouthernboy6327 ah alright, didn't know. I still ride mechanical. Just interpreted it with the size and my assumption of weight per volume 😂 Just thought they could be way smaller with the limited capacity they offer (compared to phone batteries for example)
Damn, really love that frameset
yea the color is pretty
Grant
I knew it!!! You are the man😊
hahaha thank you man!!!
Sick, new Tarmac colors
yea it is nice for something for the launch
Just can't get excited when I see those huge batteries hanging onto each derailleur. Shimano is so much neater and more aero keeping the battery inside the frame.
its neater but the ability to swap batteries is really cool and its like you get double battery life
Sram has this patented so you can’t develop removable batteries anyway.
@@GCPerformance18 still prefer Shimano battery system! Long life, easy to charge, out of harm's way, etc. etc.
How does the brake lever feel compare to GRX? assuming using one finger to brake
Thanks Grant., if I just upgrade only shifters with my existing red GS, will the bonus button functionality work and can I switch gears (easy /hard and front chainrings) .
yes you can do this
is it just me or the old Sram Red is Cooler Looking and very noticeable. Especially the Shifters.
I am liking the new one
My old force does aito trim also...
Just update the firmeware.
That did it for me
very nice i Have to check i tout
So how's the wheeltop eds tx groupset in comparison? I am sure it's nowhere near as good but I am assuming this is also 2.5 times more expensive
I am stil riding it now
Drillium makes a comeback! Kids, look it up.
I'm recently retired now and can no longer afford it. It's back to mechanical groups once my Di2 fails. We are living in a World now where everything and I do mean everything has gone up.
hey at least you are fortunate enough to retire man, its the way you look at things
Hopefully Sram will offer a 12 month leasing option on this groupset.
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah, now I even have to choose between Viagra and KY, I can't afford both.🤣🤣
LOVE IT
tho the front chainring and cassette expensive
yes
If you have any questions please let me know down in the comments section
Do they have a version for rim brakes? I want those levers
@@MrDinodeal no rim brakes
When will you do a similar vid on this groupset like you did on Campa superrecord, i.e. bashing it to the ground because it's stupidly expensive, even more so than Campa?
Based on other CZcamsrs reviews, it's about 100 grams heavier and twice as expensive than 12speed Ultegra. Will be very surprised if it’s true
thats wild, I will have to weigh I hope those reviewers compare everything to like di2 wires battery, rotors and all and power meter, we have to see in real time
I just compared identical bike model weights on Canyon website, new Red vs Dura-Ace - looks like Shimano still the lightest (at least top-tier groupset)
It’s lighter than dura ace, so definitely the lightest groupset on the market. I prefer ultegra overall, but you can’t deny it’s over 200 grams lighter.
@@dufskyif you compare the fully groups, Red is a few grams lighter
Hello great comparison video. Can the new shifters be paired with the old SRAM red derailleurs ?
They can!
yes they can
everything is backwards compatible between the new group and the old components according to SRAM's release announcement. The only catch is this group will not release a rim brake version.
It is not good if hoods are longer 1.5inch, you will need to replace the stem or the entire handlebar with a shorter one
half inch I said
@@GCPerformance18 ok, so theoretically you need a 1cm shorter steem or cockpit, and this could be expensive purchase. In terms of weight, SRAM is lighter only because of the crank, practically all other components are heavier. The Shimano with a different crank is much lighter. I believe that SRAM is much better for mtb, but it is still far from road bike
@GC Performance does this mean with third party opening from sram, that i can use axs blippers to control garmin unit ? 🙈 like u can with Di2
yea that should work
Has there been any reports of SRAM batteries coming off on bumpy roads?
not reports but I can sure on some of the early models this could happen depending how hard it bouces
I have AXS on five bikes - road, gravel, cyclocross, mtb, ebike. I ride in Colorado on everything from glass smooth tarmac to Winter Park DH trails, including bumpy washboard gravel descents. Rain, snow, you name it. I've had AXS on all my bikes for 3 years now and never lost a battery, including the one on my dropper post. Had an epic muddy snowy gravel race in February, 50km in horrendous conditions, the AXS worked perfectly the whole trip.
There's one down side to long brake hoods and it's that if you want to sprint on the drops the position could be a bit cramped with the shorter stem.
I think ridersd who are worried about that will be able to compensate for the longer hoods, shouldnt be that big of a deal
Wireless groupsets unboxing will always be . . . a manual process. No buttons to press here. Open the box yourself.🤣
More like a facelift on the current GS and sell higher price. Real marketing genius....Noob will like it because they are the lastest!! LMAO!! But one thing, the battery and cassette are compatible with the previous model. A ++ for me!!!
Haha, SRAM being mad at you for leaked photos is great - NO SOUP FOR YOU!
lmao
Grant slightly off topic but what colour is the SL8 with the new SRAM groupset please ? Thanx in advance G
specialized released two new color bikes for the sram red and it is on there website, its like a red and the other color is gold
@@GCPerformance18 many thanx sir & keep up the great videos 👍 I live in Wales part of the UK. Basically is rains here most of the year 🤦♂️ I’m very jealous of your weather 😉
From a mechanics point of view the changes are welcome , i'll never own this but i'll be fitting it plenty.
yea I love the new brake hose connection, the other ways were a pain in the ass
I'm just curious after seeing the pros on the 54t to 60t rings. I want that lol
But I love my dura ace 54t.
you can buy them aftermarket
Dura ace di2, eat’s Red etap! For breakfast, lunch, and dinner 24/7!
im hungry now
Good
Thanks
The button solves the issues for Left-handed people.
As previously there was no way to eat and shift to an easier gear.
yea makes the most sense
Would be great to see how the inclusion of a headunit (Karoo Hammerhead 3) is merited and how the 3 compares to the outgoing Hammerhead 2
I am asking them for one now but I doubt I wil get one, it looks like it just has glass screen
@GCPerformance18 Three questions. About the Shifters: are they equipped with auxiliar plugs? About the rear derailleur: it is compatible with the pre-existence Ceramicspeed OSPW products for AXS? About rotors: are they 160mm only? Thank you! BTW great video mate. keep them coming! 😎👍
so no plugs, they are meant to be paired with the wireless shifter, and yes for the ospw, because the ospw that works for the new red is the same thing..... and for rotors right now they are 160 but they will make 140s as well
@@GCPerformance18 thank you for the super fast answer! 💯
My biggest concern as someone who still runs the 1st generation Red Etap: Will there be spare parts in the future for my groupset?
I mean to a point, at least you have 2 generations now of 12 speed groups
One finger braking…Campy 10 sp from 2000 can be done with one finger! Sweet group set.
1 finger
I’ll give it a 9/10. It’s a slight improvement on the old.
the main squeeze is the shifters for sure
Grant a) not fir Rim bike? b) can you just buy hoods & shifter for Gen 2 Red Rim bike? Thanks G!
nope there is no rim brake model for this
@@GCPerformance18 but Can zi put new hoods on front for Red 2.0?
I wonder if those new Pulley Wheels are backwards compatible and downward compatible (to say Force or Rival).
I would probably say no, that cage looks longer
New red shifters are longer so the reach becomes also longer. Some bikes like the Tarmac sl8 are pretty long so with this Sram red shifters it becomes even longer. Something to think about when choosing a frame size and stem. This Groupset is mainly used by the competition riders and they use stupid long stems so these shifters will help them to sit longer/lower and use a normal lenght stem that will benefit the handling of the bike. The question is if this longer shifters will benefit the normal riders. Maybe they should stay with the Force and Rival shifters or change the lenght of the stem if that is possible (changing one piece carbon handlebar/stem combo's is expensive).
I mean the hand support you get from the hood is way better then the normal shifter, they are I think the best feeling hood out and this is me who has 12 speed ultegra, so I would compensate the little longer reach, I could either get use to it or go shorter stem
Does the front mech has a trim function like di2?
yes it trims
I hope you can make a video of how much more load you can put on shifting the fd in comparison to the old red.
I dont know how I could gauge that but honestly I do not have a demo bike or group like I said sram did not give me anything
How much does this new Red weigh?
How much weight different vs previous Red?
I will make video once I have a group
About 150 grams lighter than previous gen.
I love the look of SRAM but it’s not as good as Shimano. I used Force for a while and have used RED but I had to go back to Ultegra. The shifting was no where near as crisp or snappy.
Off topic, what is lightest integrated aero handlebar? I looking up integrated bars but so many look round and not aero
I'm split between round integrated or aero handlebars and stem (wish someone compared those as know without stem is good)
right now i have the exs, they are very lightweight wiuthout compromising stiffness, darimo and also avian are stupid light 1 piece bars but ihave seen videos of them flexing like crazy under simple pressure, I am running the exs on my tarmac sl8 and I am 200 pounds and sprint and they give me support
@@GCPerformance18 okay thanks I look at those, last I wrote I think was trek Emonda handlebars but wondered if better, it nice having it written down and over time buying the build
Unsure if same, I seen Rapide road integrated cockpit that is lighter than last I wrote down (like mid way between what I wrote and avian)
Could you compapre the new sram red crankset weigth against the Cybrei?
Yeah now we’re talking. I want some crazy dude to weigh every single component of these groups and compare with the Chinese ones.
I did a video showing off my cybrei crank weight I will have weights soon of this new group
Bikeradar has done the weight in on both DA and Sram Red. The results came out as Sram Red was 31 grams lighter. Which is not a big difference.
It’s not a big difference but to be lighter over duraace is lighter and also it is a big difference from there older group
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah that was the goal. I believe the newer groupset is 154 grams lighter than the older groupset. Which is not bad. But I would still go with Dura Ace due to better battery life. Which is more important than weight when to comes to electronic groupsets.
Rainbow E1 Chain is out already (I think it finally comes with a rainbow powerlink too)
yea makes sense and also cassette
SRAM RED IS HERE! 'YAW' know I saw this coming!
I prefer the look of the new hood but the new look of the crackset and the rear derailleur they look cheap i prefer the look of the old one 😢 i prefer the new Shimano 😊
Let me have that shifter to pair it with my rival axs😂.
Do it. Works fine.
@@gravgrav as long as I see them in the market, I'll get a pair for sure.
yea it will work very well
In Uk complete groupset cost $5800 🤣💪
that is wild, is that because of import fees?
@@GCPerformance18 Probably yes as they are not in union any more ,everything now here is more expensive then any where else about 20-30% crazy
Did they actually extend the reach? That would suck
Yea disc brake shifters have more reach than rim brakes 😢
yup the hoods are longer
I'm assuming this is disc brake only????
Of course
yes they did not make a rim brake version this time
Main question is, does the front derailleur finally works properly?
lmao I address that
4200€ in europe without powermeter. dura ace is 2900€. im gonna leave this here without further comment.
yea shimano in europe right now is wild, but shimano over here is still the same price, I have no idea why, we have so many customers buying it online and shippiong over here
Shimano for me
Ia have a scott foil rc10 with Ultegra 12speed and i love it. Dont like the sram shifters. For me sram only beat Shimano no crank warms, in chainring i prefere the traditional 52-36
this is for sure, but this happens all the time when new stuff hits the market people are always satisfied with there products until they feel the new stuff and then they want it
The brake lever joint might pinch your fingers.
I dont think thats an issue
Yes Red is crazy light whole 11g !!! lighter then Shimano 💩🤣 ....wtf that no different at all , Shimano still eat this on breakfast
hmmm
I like the current hoods, but I have small hands.
these hoods are amazing, I know this is just a video but once you have your hands on them and feel the brake actuation you are going to want them
same same but different
lmao peanut butter and jealous ass
Is this new SRAM Red compatible with hookless rims?
lol nope
The rubber in the front is to change levrer disrance 😂 not for feel
ahhh perfect, it feels great lol
If the Groupset doesn’t pair with my Garmin 1040 solar like shimano does it’s a bust 👎.
I really do not care at all about thaty, people have different wants a needs
Sram users are pretty much stuck using the hammerhead if you want integration, however I will say, it’s a very nice computer.
Shimano lovers ♥️
👇
hahaha
Bike give away
Just weigh the whole thing
I just weighed it
Dura-Ace all day.
I love my bike! I love my bike! I love my bike..? It's hard to see the beautiful bike your Showing the New Sram on. And still love my bike!
hahaha
with a price tag of $3200 without crank set nor cassette-Ridiculous!
I mean it is on par with the other mainstream groups out there, this is never something we did not know about
GC: "NEW SRAM RED IS HERE!!! *EVERY DETAIL YOU NEED TO KNOW* . . . uh, except where to get the money to buy it!"
@@timjacob991
just get the money its so simple lol
@@GCPerformance18 yeah right
It'll be half the price in 3 months
lol
SRAM Red Drillium edition
hahahah
Why did they have to keep the braindead disposable power meter. I was so close to thinking it was cool
I dont know they wanted the title of ligvhtest power meter
It looks sliver to me.
looks nice
@@GCPerformance18 Well I mean if it called red shouldn't it be red?
for anyone wondering its $4600 for full groupset with power meter...love my SRAM
yup
No cost??? No real weights??? No test ride??? After all the hype. I feel like GC just ate my lunch#💩
Cost pretty much same. Weights are slightly lighter everywhere, works perfectly as we expect. It was announced like 3 hours ago.. give him a minute and enjoy your actual lunch.
Bro said he didn’t get a sram case at the beginning, which means he’d have to fully disassemble this ready to buy bike to get those. Ben Delaney has a break down of all that on his channel.
I figured there would be 20 other channels opening up coolers, that they can weigh it, I will have a video very soon showing off comparing weight to weight sram vs shimano..... but I do not have demo bikes to test ride, everything opn this channel I pay for myself, I am not media and these companies do not favor me
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
:)
Shimano going for 13 speed who the hell need that many gears on the road ??? another bullshit to force people to change entire groupset ....
yea we are going crazy now
THANK YOU! You are the only one that pronounces SRAM correctly. Everyone else uses an H in the pronunciation. Drives me nuts! SSSSSSSSRRRRRAAAAM people, Not SHRAM.
lmao I hate that, I do not know where they get the h from
Never heard anyone pronounce it that way
I like the look of the old Force and Red. These new GS look cheaper.
I mean that is a preference thing
@@GCPerformance18 yeah, for sure.
Lmfaooooooo, another mediocre groupset.
SRAM should have just stopped at the 22 generation of groupsets….
ha, that was a great group
Incoming, Shimano fanboys pooping on SRAM for every little thing. I quite like my SRAM Rival AXS, but I will say that Shimano hoods are WAAAAAAAAYYYYY better. But you can't beat SRAM for being FULLY wireless and having those wonderful little batteries that don't need to be charged on the bike, you know, like Shimano, hehe.
yea this will always be a topic and a war for whos is the best, its good for the industry lol and makes it fun to talk smack with your buddy
Batteries involved¿ 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
I wonder how many times Grant is gonna use his verbal crutch: "Gonna go ahead and........." What clown. 🐽
send me an email with a presentation of something you feel comfortbale speaking about and send me a 20 minute video strait through, no editing I would love to judge you
@@GCPerformance18 You've had enough practice to not have to use verbal crutches. You also put yourself out there which is going to come with criticism. So stop crying
What's this? No comment from Hambini? Oh right, it's not a tubeless segment. There's no material for him to trash.
lmao