The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov | Asmongold Reacts
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Asmon, thanks so much for weighing in and giving this some more attention. If you ever want a duo partner when you check out the game, I'll be there in a heart beat.
Don't mind me, just leaving this here so i get notifications of any replies.
@@ImpuscaVanalet's see how much it blows up
@@An4lAvenger mhm.
Been waiting for him to react to this! Glad he did! Keep up the good work
The worst thing about this, especially for a game like Tarkov is these cheaters get to loot your hard earned gear when you die. Makes it 100% unplayable. If it was just getting killed and you can just say "Oh well..." and find a new lobby it would be one thing, but there are real staggering consequences for death in this game. Screw that.
@@TheEtherea yes there is RMT because of the in game economy + player ran flea market. that’s where a lot of the cheating comes from
Stop blaming cheater. You just have skill issue
@@fluffydoge1712 Piss off troll did you even watch it. There is an RMT advantage for botting
@@Foat_Gucker found the noob
cheaters are the biggest reason i will never play pvp games with death consequences.
For those who have not played Tarkov, the reason the wiggle is so jarring is because the community started wiggling to team up with other players before VOIP was introduced, and now it is being perverted by the hacking community. It is just sickening that the cheaters are teaming up to ruin everyone's gaming experience.
Shooters are dead. Cheaters made sure of it.
Wiggling did not start with Tarkov though. Wiggling has been the standard of "I'm friendly" since DayZ mod.
Hax have always been in shooters, even back in the day of csgo 1.6 and quake
@@hshc2630 Yes
@@KrolKaz Yeah but if the devs are good at their job, cheating and hacking is reduced. Never gone, but a much smaller portion of the larger community. Games like tarkov, with the endless cheating, now it's entirely ruined.
4:48
The moment As had the same reaction as the tons of players whose jaw dropped when watching the video.
This wasn't about showing us how hacks work(plenty of videos of that) this was about making it easy to evaluate ALL OTHER PLAYERS ON THE MAP FOR PROVABLE HACKING.
Game-changing.
Hail Hydra!!
There have been similar videos made maybe 2 years ago where people cheated to check for other cheaters, also other methods were used. Even back then it was apparent that there was at least 1 cheater in a match on average. I personally quit the game a long time ago, mainly because of cheaters.
@@CaptainSnuggleButt Yeah someone reminded me of The Great Hack of Team Fortress Classic where the guy who wrote a popular hack for it also wrote code that recorded and reported Every Single User Who Used It, about a year after it had gathered lots of users. Including so many that noone ever suspected of cheating, at all. As said many times before, the truth of good hacks nowadays, is that any clever user of them can easily mask they are using it by not doing painfully obvious things. And noone will even suspect that user.
@@CaptainSnuggleButtmy buddy I played tarkov with told me he ran cheats to avoid other cheaters. I didn’t believe him until he gave me a free key to his cheats and I used them as well to watch half the raid run directly at us trying to shoot us before the even had a line of site. I uninstalled the game and haven’t touched it since
This reminds me of Team Fortress Classic 20 years ago. Someone created a hack and released it. What people who used it didn't realize was that the hack also logged the users name, steamid and the times they used it. Months after he had released his hack, he released the logs of everyone who used it. This obviously caused quite the ruckus within the TFC community. A number of high level players were caught using it during matches.
Isn't that entrapment? :))
That’s so dope actually, though I feel for the victims who might have quit the game over it.
@@Bugholeexcalibur it is, though I am pretty sure the legal term is only when it is done by an agent of the State
@@chasmurphy1227 It's not entrapment. Entrapment is either tricking someone into committing a crime ("Throw this trash out the window or I'll write you ticket. HA tha's actually littering, here's your ticket") or forcing someone against their will to commit a crime ("You either throw this trash out the window or I'll break your knees").
@@SudoYETI I agree that this isn't the legal definition of entrapment, for my reason and yours. It also has a much more loose common definition; anything from "the state of being in a trap" to "the act of putting someone into a trap". The common definition doesn't imply that the entrapment is bad, so there's no real point in linking something to it (I was just acknowledging it)
thats insane how far this video is reaching. i never expected asmon to react to tarkov content.
BSG devs must be shitting themselves right now, hoooly
seems like g0at pushed some real buttons there.
feel like hes late to the party
@@21joebloe lol everything that was in that video was known to any and all devs/players/casual players. If you think BSG gives a flying fuck when this information has changed nothing youre very naïve to the gaming world
@@alexs4106 they dont care about that. they care about it getting exposure. this kind of video blowing up can KILL a game. ad not just kill a game i mean KILL a game.
Omg I just realized why so many dudes were skeptical of him even though they knew he was hacking. He wasn't killing anyone and therefore his K:D was terrible... They must be thinking wtf is going on if a hacker has that type of KD.
K/D in EFT isn't only calculated by PMC (PVP) kills. EFT also takes into account Scav (AI/PVE) kills, so a player can have a 5.0 K/D on their profile, but in reality it would be more like 1.0 to 2.0 if it only took into account PMC kills.
So, Goat's visible K/D was probably normal.
Cheater, not a hacker. Huge difference.
The craziest part of this is, many use Radar but not ESP because ESP is more detectable. So people couldn't see him wiggle, but knew where he was. Radar is by far the most used cheat in this game, because it is functionally impossible to be detected.
Same in every game since 20 years
@@amerwhiteang Yes, but if its more than 60% of raids have confirmed ESP but less than half of the radar users have ESP, how many people have radar?
Just for your information, the comma after the first "is" is incorrect/unnecessary.
Don't you still need to circumvent BattlEye for radar to work? If BE ever gets their employee situation under control (the reason its quality suffered from ~2014-2017 onwards),everyone tampering with BE will get caught
@@baronvonshekel7323 As far as I understand you are using hardware to read data from RAM that does not interact with your game client in any way. Valorant style highly invasive anticheat should be the only way to detect it.
just started the video, but YEARS ago, I had a friend who played WarZ. And he was CERTAIN that everyone was cheating. So he ended up downloading cheats just to see, and it was earth shattering that as a cheater, you could easily tell who else was cheating. And there was almost this "code" that was developed - that if, for example, two WarZ cheaters saw each other through a mountain, they could tell they were looking at each other, do a little flick of the mouse, and then move in opposite directions... I couldn't play the game anymore after seeing this... because it was MULTIPLE people in EVERY server/session.
Edit: BAHAHAHA they do the same thing here with the Wiggle! OMG... what a trip back memory lane
lool watch anarchy hds vids. its the same deal except hes a dayz admin. i dont play dayz and never have but those vids are crazy funny
@@alexanderrahl7034 Lol, that game was trash but I enjoyed it for a while before I got into Rust. But yeah, even without cheats to identify cheaters it was hard to NOT notice sometimes that you got killed by a cheater. I still remember someone taking me out with a single shot from a sniper rifle, when I was in a concrete walled room with no windows several stories up. I could hear it wasn't close lol. I had line of sight on the only door, and no-one came to check my corpse. I don't know what hacks they had on. Esp and aimbot for sure, but how the hell did the bullet get through concrete? Was there a cheat to let your bullets pass through walls, or were the devs so utterly crap that they didn't even program bullet collisions on some buildings?
I had the same experience, before quitting WarZ it was the only game I ever tried cheats in just to see, and it was mind blowing. You could instantly tell more than half the server was cheating, really eye opening experience.
@@alexanderrahl7034 Perhaps, but there's a fairly short shelf life on most FPS games. They're big for a year or two before another game takes their spot.
Hey I played WarZ too and literally everyone cheated the only difference was some people had paid cheats and others had free cheats
In arma the common way to signal friendly is also the wiggle. Especially useful in antistasi where you may have multiple squads with no uniform in the same area and no clear plan to organize around.
This made me think, it would be interesting if developers coded in a reporting script into their games, if the game kept track of your statistics of how often you aim towards opponents without direct line of sight, and then after some minimal period of time (say 20 games to ensure reliability) if you are 2 standard deviations away from average then your console automatically reports you.
And then the cheat developer just codes in something to block that?
Doesn't matter until developers get serious and start IP banning.
@@tomsettle2631 They are developers not magicians
@@blinkyy1088 you could literally just block the packets that send that info and spoof the packet with fake info are you a simpleton?
@@tomsettle2631 Yeah that wouldn't be easy or cheap at all unless we are talking about a game like Tarkov with practically zero security. Why are you calling me a simpleton bro? I didn't insult your intelligence, it makes you seem weirdly aggressive over nothing
Somebody give that guy a medal. Incredible investigative skills.
Funny thing is all the main streamers got mad at him and cried lmao, now they all wanna be buddy buddy (not talking about Asmongold btw)
with a little know how it isn't that difficult. It's more impressive to bring it to light, I think.
@@Activist88 unrelated but I think shroud and TGLTN are cheaters and they're popular streamers. When ever streamers get mad at exposure videos like this, at tells only one tale
@@josephbrady711 yeah it was Sus for sure. i didnt see shroud get all cry baby like the main tarkov streamers did. its either they are hacking but i think the latter is when i saw this video about tarkov cheating i quit... those random times i thought a death was sus and people were telling me to just "get good" when it was 90% hackers the video told me all i needed to know and my friends and i all decided to quit. so it hurts their $$ because the game will die and people wont watch them anymore but yes. it was sus
I did this when interchange came out but instead of making a video about it I just quit the game, I just got back into it this wipe and it’s just as obvious
He asked a question during the interview: "every multiplayer game will have some level of cheating, it's impossible to completely remove, so what level of cheating is acceptable?". I say, an acceptable level of cheating is a level where when somebody says "I died to a cheater", everyone who plays that game has a default reaction of "no, you probably just got handled by a better player!". Tarkov doesn't have that default reaction, it's more like "yeah, you probably did die by a cheater, it's not surprising at this point".
other games would have the same if people talked about it but tarkov is popular now and this topic is also specially around tarkov
@@saloscontent no, other games have better anti-cheats, tarkovs biggest issue is the shit anti-cheat and the lack of help from BSG. plenty of other games have completely curbed cheaters, even much more popular games.
My very first game a guy just beelined right to me inside a building, I heard him running from far away so I just stopped and listened, he knew exactly where I was and threw a grenade in my room. I uninstalled.
This video is very validating for me. I play a lot of realism shooters, and do pretty well. When I stepped into tarkov, nothing seem to work anymore, no matter how careful and purposeful my actions were, I'd often lose. My anxiety playing it was heightened compared to other games. I default to thinking that oh they just saw me, they had a good angle, etc, etc. in general. Only a handful of times was it blatant enough for me to confidently call cheating. Seeing this video, seeing how the cheaters act and work, shows me those other times were cheaters too, probably plenty of deaths I think were completely legit. It also makes me glad I quit tarkov after a month, deciding it wasn't worth it. Huge thanks for goat making this video.
Realistically if he only investigated lets say a third of the people in each raid, then that would mean there are 2-4+ cheaters 60% of the time. That'd mean every single raid has at least one cheater. There is no Tarkov, it doesn't exist, only a cheater haven masquerading as a game.
Yeah, fuck tarkov.
This video is so accurate. Last wipe we broke bad and a friend bought cheats. We were amazed to see how many cheaters there were in the game. Every raid lobby at least 2 of them. If you don't get killed by a cheater it means they're just looting the map dry while avoiding you. We quit. It's unbelievable how infested this game is and I can't even imagine how bad it must be this wipe because of the backlash from the community.
every online multiplayer game
@@festeezy yes but few only ever so punishing to lose progress to cheaters in.
@@festeezy Other multiplayer games don't let you lose days of progress from one encounter with a cheater. In Tarkov, you could be running scav raids for days building up a boss PMC loadout just to die 30 seconds after loading in from a single shot halfway across the map.
I quit last month me and my friends havent been on since
@@festeezy😂😂
There are reasons that make Tarkov cheating way worse than cheating in some other games.
1. In Tarkov, dying and living matters more. You acquire cool loot. Guns and attachments that you find as loot and can't yet buy. Ammo you painfully collected for that one gun. And when you die it stings. But it hurts even more when you die in a way that is out of your control. Like just being popped in the forest and wondering if that was a cheater or just some regular camper.
In other FPS like CoD and BattleField for example, your death just means you respawn and it affects you very little. And you can leave a cheater lobby with minimal consequences.
2. In Tarkov, players don't start out even with a map, a minimap, a compass, or any helpful tools. Most of Tarkov's skill is down to map knowledge, mastering movement, detecting players based on sounds and visual detection. Just a simple wallhack helps you overcome 99% of Tarkov's challenge. It's a game where one headshot from any gun will send you back to your base naked. A game where the person to spot someone first has a HUGE advantage.
In games like battlefield or CoD, a wallhacker has an advantage for sure. But most weapons have a relatively slow TTK (time to kill), which means if your recoil control and aim are bad, you still get clapped by a better player.
In games like overwatch and R6S, operators and heroes have gadgets that give the entire team wallhacks anyway. In Overwatch, aim is not even that important for most heroes, as there are shields and other mechanics that can prevent you from dying even if someone has an aimbot.
And because in Tarkov you have no way of confirming cheaters, watching a replay, etc. And because of point 1 and 2 combined.. you have this sense of vulnerability. But it creates usually a positive kind of stress, an immersive excitement. But when you know that almost every lobby will have a cheater in them, instead of wondering "what if someone is watching over this area", I am wondering "what if I'm walking towards a cheater". And that ruins the immersion part, and just makes it frustrating. Cheaters quite literally just ruin the entire game when they become this numerous. Any time you go into a raid you're not thinking about intended game mechanics, your risk calculation includes being killed by a hacker that you just might run into.
You couldn't have said it in a better way. Also streamers such as Lvndmark defending the cheaters is disgusting. Dude even blocked me from his stream yesterday just because I was talking about the topic.
@@ILOVERESISTANCE lvndmark doesn't defend cheaters, but hes sick of it. people call him cheater all the time. must be annoying.
@@Equal23_ he does. Just go watch his reaction about ''The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov''. He even deleted it from his twitch.
@@Equal23_ he's not really sick of it imo, i think it's more of he himself is actually cheating and doesn't want to be exposed, his reaction to this video said it all. He was nervous, skipping around the whole time, making up weak criticism for the video and defending the cheaters by saying that the evidence wasn't good enough, only someone who is seeing his own cheats in the video would be that stressed over it lol.
@@thekamotodragon it could be that, or it could be that he's afraid Tarkov will die as players will not longer want to play it and thus he'll lose viewers
BIG TIP:
If you join a match, hit the console button, and if several errors are reported in the level, an invisible player is in the map.
Imagine how much anxiety it would cause some cheaters if you constantly haunted them like this? Devs should hire a few people to fulfill that role.
The devs dont want to drive away the cheaters, just like in rainbow six siege the devs are probably earning money off of the people who create the cheats in order for the publisher of the game not to sue the cheat creators who make money off of selling cheats
Devs ban cheaters and non-cheaters alike to drive up sales.
Games like tarkov don't have recurring revenue. It's just 1 purchase then done. So they need constant purchases generating by banning guilty and innocent users, alike.
Old video I know, but if people still play this here’s an idea, create a bounty hunters club. People like this guy with cheats, teaming up just to kill cheaters and avoid non cheaters as much as possible. Virtual vigilante justice would make a good CZcams channel
They just need Admins, simple as that. Look up AnarchyHD, he admins on DayZ servers and does a good job banning cheaters. Same with Camomo and Rust.
Or they should just ban the cheaters lol
Holy. Just realised why I was spared when I played my first match. Was testing out the controls and started to do the wiggle, a random player shows up a few seconds later out of cover and wiggles to me before turning to the oposite direction and walking away.
Bro same! Wth
"The wiggle" is not some hacker exclusive thing, its a staple of tarkov. If someone wiggles and you wiggle back that means were not gonna have a problem/do you wanna team up.
Hes using "the wiggle" through walls because only hackers would be able to see him doing it.
100%, pre VoIP it was the only way to communicate.
no cheat sherlock
That’s how I communicate with PMCS on my scav runs cuz I CBA to activate my mic for it
@@Jaybird9x what's the difference between pmc and scav
@@chipskylark5500 Scavs are Ai. You can play as a Scav also called a player scav where the ai wont shoot you unless you attack them.
I would pay to watch Asmon play Tarkov and just watch him rage.
Underrated comment!
he would just 5 man factory and yell if anyone opened the safe
@@glassboxes LMAOOO
Oh man I had no idea the wiggle is a thing, let alone that there was actually a sense of "community" among cheaters.
Actually it was originally not. I think the first time it appeared was in ArmA 2 DayZ mod. It was a gesture to show to other player that you are not hostile.
The biggest revelation about this video to me is how naive the community actually is
@@PSYMEDIC Used to use it to determine if they were in your party because there weren't markers for friendlies.
@@PSYMEDIC yep
as the hip-hop song 'Rich Flex' goes "Internet clones, got 'em kissin' through the phone.
Pussies clickin' up so they don't feel alone."
no way man i wasn't thinking asmongold would cover it... most critical youtube who reacts and i love,, hope you join tarkov after they fix these issues!
This brings me back to battlefield 2. Last time I played that game they were knifing you from across the battlefield instantly killing you on spawn. Never seen so many players open about cheating. The cheating in the game was so bad that it became unplayable.
Me and my mother played BF2 since 2007 up to around 2017, never encountered any cheaters at my memory
Maybe because we played on the server of a group we were part of, playing on a modded server with everyone having that mod as well, everyone knowing eachother
Cheater's don't kill cheaters, it's like they're saying "Hail Hydra"
_This man is fucking brilliant_
I used to play tarkov a lot. I have died countless times to a random headshot from what I always figured were just campers. I realize I was probably being naive and was getting killed by cheaters more often than I had realized. I only encountered 2 very blatant cheaters, otherwise most of my deaths I assumed were not cheats despite having no way of knowing. I eventually quit because it was just too much to handle.
Its generally hard to notice cheaters in tarkov thanks to NVG campers and the insanely bad desync. Thats the only way to be sure here so far :D
Same bro! I quitted thinking that I was too bad for this game, even being pretty decent on every other fps. That's sad!
Try SPTarkov, a single player tarkov mod. Made me really enjoy Tarkov again. PMCs and the flea market are simulated and you can tweak everything to your liking.
I rage quit and uninstalled the game a couple years ago (there were several sus matches the previous 2 days which led up to it). The final match I had equipped gear given to us by the devs (can't remember if it was some holiday gear or from paying for the upgraded tier of the game) and I went in fully decked out from head to toe with heavy armor, p90, and several other items (I was ready to rock). The match was in the evening when the sun was setting, and it was raining heavily so you couldn't see very far at all. As I'm sneaking around a hilly mountainside (keep in mind visibility was VERY poor) BANG I got one-shot in the neck below my helmet with a rifle round (my neck was the only weak point I had) and there was noone I could even see around me. I was so fricken pissed off I uninstalled the trash game.
@@nussysnake9933 Same here, finally quit when every time I loaded in with top tier gear I got smashed....
Yet most games when I went in with trash I got left alone, it became very obvious, so I uninstalled 18 months ago...sad
31:35 "when are you playing undertale?" "maybe in like a couple weeks or so.", so that was a lie. At least we got to see him play it finally.
53 is a couple lmfao
It's like watching a rebel infiltrate hydra.
The fact that cheaters are not worried in this game and even give signs to eachother speaks volumes how bad it actually is and the ammount of cheaters that meet eachother every day.
Glad i never played this game.
@@silvercat18 Most streamers? EFTs biggest streamer Lvndmark and Rengawr litterly protected cheaters for 30mins straight when they did a reaction video.... This is so bad...
@@silvercat18 Its the same situation as Vrchat and the big 'anti-cheat' update it came out with.
By the time they finally got around to doing something about cheaters plagueing the game, the game already had a massive cheating community that had become a core part of the community. So the update sparked a massive meltdown of people getting mad and quitting because they couldn't cheat anymore.
( Though ofcourse it only took a few months for cheating to return once the cheat developers decided to rerelease their clientt )
Russian game dude.
@@ThatVenomousCat I feel like cheating in vrchat is the same as cheating in gta online. It’s mostly a social game right? I’m genuinely curious how cheating negatively affects vrchat?
@@Conrad75 In vrchat the negative impact comes from the fact some cheats allow people to target other players maliciously, like for example crashing their game on command. Or forcefully cloning their avatar whether they want it or not. They also allow cheaters to take control of the player made games, stuff like forcefully ending a game or killing everyone at once or locking all the doors or just giving themself the inability to die.
The wiggle between hackers doesnt entirely have to be about the hackers teaming up, but more so similar to in nature: very few top of the food-chain predators have other similar predators as their hunt. The risk is too high, and mutually they understand both parties are equally dangerous. The advantage is lost, so it's best to not engage.
Yeah, it isn't a "let's team up" but more of "we both know that we're cheating and will just be a race to blow the other one away, we don't engage each other and we both walk away with loot". If they felt confident in their abilities, they wouldn't be relying on cheats like they are.
Tarkov is so much more fun with hax though and the community is super tight nit.
@@KrolKaz You're the reason I only play singleplayer games xD
(I'd play online only if either EVERYONE has hacks or NOBODY has hacks, if only a few people hack it's just scummy.)
apparently apex predators are bad at Tarkov and buy other people's scripts lmaooooo
nature is truly incredible.
It doesn't go that deep man, they cheat because they want an unfair advantage, against another cheater they don't have any advantage, leave me alone and i'll leave you alone so we can both go back to cheating.
Tarkov is so good of a game, one of the best games i´ve ever played and i´ve played it since 2017 and still love it. But this might actually be the beginning of the end for tarkov. I´ve stopped playing it since everyone i know quit it because of all the cheaters and it´s so sad. We had a good run tarkov RIP, you will be missed.
I quit well before "goat" did his video. I picked up a graphics card and was heading to extract on Customs. I got a one tap through the wall. I only had the basic acct. No room in my secure container. And was only 50 meters from the extract. I was done.
The wiggle move is equivalent to the Indian Scammers message board
The problem isn't blatant cheaters, the problem is closet cheaters. It's sad that FPS online games are ruined because of cheaters.
uwu
no wonder some fps games have a rootkit on pc
The problem is that skill issue noobs like you who keeps crying cheater when someone's better. Gitgut or go play your baby single player game.
@@Arizona9001 Sad being.
This is why I played StarCraft instead of counterstrike back in the day
Best thing is he had a interview with a guy working for a company that prevents such stuff and that guy said basicly if the dev's would want it, they could prevent cheating. So all in all Dev's just seem to not want to end the cash grab trough ban players and sell them new copy's.
There was this spot I used to have in the original release of the shorline expansion, it was a tree right next to the health resort, you used to be able to sprint off the roof and land dead center and you would be sitting halfway submerged in the very tip of the tree, I could sit there and kill pro Twitch streamers with that spot because it concealed you so well and literally no one knew you could be there to begin with, so those who are laser focused on sight-lines would never naturally see me if I'm being still (I have a video of the spot uploaded called "Hustle"), yet, sometimes, people would out of nowhere laser beam me with a fully automatic weapon from so far away I couldn't hear their shots.
I also had an almost just as effective spot on Customs, not many people knew about the bus depot wall you could get on in the early days, there is, yet again, another tree right next to it that conceals you stupid effectively, could whipe out entire full stack squads without people finding out where I'm at, yet other times, instantly drilled in the head from nowhere.
Cheating was more blatant in the early days, now people want to "play it off" like they aren't cheating, unless it's to another cheater, it's somehow evolved from something that was fucking annoying to something that is fucking sick.
This needed to be shared I watched this 2 days ago and I have never played tarkov. But I feel bad for the poor souls literally just trying to have fun and get dogged on by a WHOLE TEAM OF SALTY MEN WHO CANT SHOOT FOR S*HITEEEE
Nothing fun about it … we drag ourselves through pain and anguish. 😅
Its rough thats for sure it gets so frustrating. The desync is almost worse then cheaters though
it's an unforgiving mistress of a game.
Watching this wholesale cheating in action has cured me from ever trying a competitive shooter ever again.
people forget the rest of your own game library that also has cheaters but the only different is no one talks about it because it is popular to talk bs and about cheating in tarkov now
I have played this game since 2016, for a long time this was well known but everyone was basically in denial, it almost hurts to see this video but im glad its been brought up, maybe this is the push needed for bsg to get it together
No one was in denial about the cheater problem, this has been a long talked about problem.
@@fives5x77 I'm "in denial". I've seen five hackers in the past 1500 raids. The game is fucking great right now.
Goat has a financial incentive to stage this shit. He's willing to pay over a hundred dollars for hacks, directly contributing to hack developers-- but people just trust him? The video is extremely edited. We have no idea if he's queuing in with friends that could easily be the people wiggling at him.
@@DefianceOrDishonor Bullshit.
@@bakedturkeys2132 That's fine. Prove it. You can't.
@@DefianceOrDishonor Thats not what I meant read the comment im replying too. Im with you, cheaters sure are a problem but I dont see them nearly as much as people make it out to be.
I love that goat had a good moral compass in this video. No killing PMCs, no looting/transfering items, etc, etc... Well done.
27:28 but you also get the reverse effect in smaller games where the extremely small number of cheaters still show up in matches. For example, If you have 3 servers with 50 people in them you'll still probably have a cheater or two in every match, and there's no escape.
Imagine how good this game would be without cheaters
imagine how fun multiplayer games would be without cheaters, im pretty sure there's cheaters in most if not all online pvp games, just look at dota banning a ton shit of them how many cheaters there are in league? warzone?
@@zointisarenazi Its not, all the try hards you think are out there are just cheaters man. I aint a try hard but I can enjoy the game when there aint cheaters around
I wonder how much his "no killing PMCs" rule hurt him in this investigation. Since every other cheater can see his KD ratio, I suspect a lot of wigglers were responding to his lack of a good KD ratio combined with his wiggling. A cheater who doesn't display gameplay advantage metrics is likely a red flag to those players who put more than a few seconds of thought into those variables.
If he had a very high KD ratio, I suspect some of those players would have reacted much differently.
The kdr is a little scuffed as I'm sure it counts scav kills (ai) as well
I'm a relatively shitty fps player and have about 10-15 player kills this wipe , still my kdr is 10+ or something near there
I don't know if the software takes the same stat or if it filters it out
KDR also counts in scavs (ai bots), so he could kill a lot of scavs to have seemingly high KDR.
No one really cares about KDR, as you can be an absolute rat, kill no players, run away from everyone, and have 10+ KDA on scavs only easily.
Dog tags are kind of a measure how good PvPer you are (each player drops dog tag at death), but they're only in your stash, so no one can see it, even with cheats. Fun fact - dog tags are also needed to progress in certain quests and can be bartered into valuable items.
@@Calslock Nah there is PMC K/D, regular user just has no way of seeing it.
This is why I stopped playing pvp shooters solo, not fun. I'm either playing with friends or enjoying an actual fair game.
I used to wonder why shooters felt so chaotic to play, sometimes it felt good to play and other times I felt like an npc in a pc shootout. Figured it out after a while.
I remember the first few Acts of Valorant. There's always these monster of a jett main or rayna main in high rank lobbies that will go headshot after headshot, pushing and prefiring you head. But EVERYTIME THERE'S A PATCH, they vanish for few days, like they are just gone and the game suddenly feel a lot easier. I'd get more comfortable to peek around corner.
Then after a few days, they'd be back again. Then repeat after the patch next week and so on.
There's a reason the singleplayer mod for Tarkov is getting really popular is all I'll say
Is it fully functional ? I really want to play Tarkov but I’m not dealing with this horse shit and as a longtime Stalker mod fanatic I am perfectly fine with single player
@@wightclaudiaI tried it like a year ago and it is very very functional. No idea about now but i presume its even better
Where do I get it?
The wiggle was too much for me 😆
Never knew cheaters had this kind of "community" that even has it's own accepted secret signs.
its not a secret sign.... "wiggling" is a sign of a friendly player. its just that cheaters can see you do it through walls so its easy to identify if theyre cheating..
@@disposable3167 dang I should just start wiggling everywhere so the cheaters think I’m a cheater
@@TheWorldWarrior thats actually been a strategy on maps like labs where cheaters are most common for years, if something sus is happening like getting shot through walls, look towards the shots and wiggle with your melee weapon out and they will leave you alone sometimes
In Labs, cheaters sometimes fire warning shots when the raid starts so you can run to the extract right away.
its the same on dayZ.
This is how cyberpunk look like in multiplayer man.
At this point devs should just add esp as a feature
Actual investigative journalism. Amazing cheats have been out this long, and I don't recall seeing such a solid piece showing the extent of this problem. More of this please. Improve gaming.
Dude has a financial incentive to hype this stuff up, these videos always get views. He is willing to pay for and download hacks, directly contributing to the hacking community; financially.
Yet he wouldn't get friends to hop into his lobbies?
It's fucking mind numbing to me that so many people believe his video. It's highly edited. You can't see if he's queuing in with other people. It's not evidence whatsofuckingever.
In my past 1500 raids I've run into FIVE hackers. I can log on CSGO and find spin hackers in an hour or two...........
But yeah, dude has a financial incentive to hype this stuff up and stage these situations. That's really all I need to know to not trust it.
@@DefianceOrDishonor and you dont think BSG would have called him out on that this is a PR nightmare for tarkov which could kill the game BSG has the tools to see exactly what your talking about and instead of doing anything like that they went into fullbolwn dmage controll
@@DefianceOrDishonor you ran into 5 obvious hackers
thank god he doesn't do a story on crack
@@DefianceOrDishonor you remind me over someone who stills defends voting for Joe Biden.... get a grip mate
This is INSANE!! Never knew how many cheaters there were. Makes you wonder about cheaters in all the other games.
Most other games don’t have this bad of a cheating problem because other games aren’t absolutely unforgiving and 90% grind like tarkov is. Most games when you die it’s not a big deal so there’s not as much as incentive to cheat. Hard games with always have the most cheaters. ARMA 3 had cheaters on every single server before they implemented battle eye
@@patrickstar1164 not exactly. Tarkov has an actual market and trade system. Meaning that you, literally, could make a living out of it.
That's one of a few reasons that Tarkov has been plagued w/ hackes. They are literally selling a shit ton of loot/carry and more shit in alternative market/site.
@@kaydnburns5935 na Bro, COD has an extreme amount. Even on older titles. I played WW2 recently and was blown away how may people 1 tapped my the moment I came around a corner from across the map. Among other sus I noticed. It’s bizzare, dayz has a similar problem
Older titles and games with hitscan usually have the worst problems, niche games usually come with default cheats that don't apply to the game itself, just general settings, and games with 0 anti cheat in the first place
Back when it came out, I played war thunder tanks because it offered a more realistic take than things like world of tanks. I was certain a lot of people were cheating. I'd call it when I saw it. A friend I played with got frustrated at me for calling so many people cheaters. He felt I was imagining it or calling it out to mask just not being "good enough". Then, recently, it turns out that something like 20% of the entire War Thunder playerbase got caught logging in with cheats.
Yeah. I was imagining it....
There's even honor amongst thieves in video games
Its good to see this video going so Viral. BSG are actually forced to actually interact with their community, that is how crazy out on the ropes they are.
bsg have always communicated pretty well with the community actually
@@brian8861 they did communicate much more often than other devs, but rarely in an adequate manner. It takes them way too much time to fix very obvious things that require literally just changing a number in a text file.
They have no time going after cheaters, they gotta go after harmless SP mods :D
@@ForOne814 taking time to fix something and interacting with the community are 2 different things..
@@brian8861 yes. One isn't actually important.
About playing slots, while playing them systematically will absolutely drain you, they also have the biggest payouts. So if you asked me "how to spend my 500$ in a casino?" I'd say go to the slots and bid the largest possible bids, so the multipliers really give you a return. And play until you're out or the moment you triple your money or more. Things like blackjack and poker work in terms of better skills = better odds, but they are designed to chip away at your wallet as well and the payouts are much smaller than when you get lucky in slots.
This dude literally fought fire with fire. Literally.
the wiggle is basically a necromancer build. You just summon cheaters to fight for you !
Just for proper reference, the wiggle in tarkov is a general sign of peace. Its not just for cheaters. That also doesnt mean you wont get killed. You can wiggle and truce with someone then, theyll kill you later anyway if you got something they want.
@@ThreeGoddesses found the bot
Reminds me of Tom Clancy's Division 2 - the Dark Zones in there are like this. It's a free-for-all zone where drops are nicer, and gear picked up within the zone can be looted off players when they are killed (though you get to keep a subset of daily featured drops). One moment you can be farming in peace with another player, the next moment they can turn rogue on you and steal your drops because they see something good. There are also cheaters with hack services in there too.
Competitive PvP seems to always have this kind of toxic element to it, but it's also thrilling for players to try it out if it's not too frustrating.
@@ThreeGoddesses Very interesting, it seems these subcultures achieve solidarity between group members through the thrill of perverting something normal/well-intentioned.
@@ThreeGoddesses you're*
@@ThreeGoddesses It's all good, just don't let it happen again :)
I used to binge a game called Movie Battles 2, it was a mod for Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
We had cheaters too and they were known, but the guns were different. Slightly slower bullet velocities meant with great reflexes and practice you could manually dodge bullets with some predictive dancing, and you could do stuff like shoot around corners with certain weapons, so it was actually possible to pwn cheaters with skill.
I miss the old days when games bothered to be innovative...
other form of wiggle is by waving at each other with aiming lines on the radar, dont ask how i know
if there were no cheaters, tarkov would be the best game EVER
the wiggle is not just for cheaters, its a sign of peace for any game that has leaning
Through walls?
Arma and DayZ, right?
@@UCmDBecUtbSafffpMEN3iscA arma is dayz but ya that is most likely where it started
@@shastacat9632dayz is arma actually 🤓
@@Adam-dg7jt dayz mod is arma, dayz isnt actually 🤓
this video was already so funny to me cause i dont play tarkov anymore, like sucks to suck maybe just dont torture yourself guys?? but seeing asmon panic gasping at the wiggle killed me lmfaoooo
I still remember back when I played the original MW2 and started noticing people using lag switches. Some were better at hiding it more than others, but sometimes it was so obvious. Then the cheating went insane with hacks that let you shoot AC130 rounds out of your SCAR-H. Totally killed the game for me and all my friends playing it.
MW2 is a great example. I remember the aimbotting AC130s and that's when I quit. Once about 1 out of 6 of the lobbies were filled with rage hackers I gave up. I had not bought another COD game until 2019. MW2 was the first game absolutely destroyed that I can remember by rage hackers and cheats. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some of these devs or execs are in on the cheats and taking a cut under the table from the cheat providers to stay under the radar. Both sides can then make fistfuls of money.
Asmondgold, talking about Tarkov?
Holy Molly, wasn't expecting this to reach him.
All hail the Bald King!!
Ok, let me share a funny story though.
I had a key end quickly as well.
Shadowmoon burial grounds. You'd think it would be a slam dunk.
Warrior tank is the key owner.
We kill the first 3 mobs. I don't recall if we were too fast or too slow, but i know he chose the wrong side to go due to impatience and charged one of the side groups while the elemental was there. The evoker healer pumps 60k hps but the warrior gets one shot with the melee mobs and the pulse. Probably low geared or didn't pop a defensive.
He yells "Healer!". Blames the healer and proceeds to leave, bricking his own key.
Like... what even...
These people, they just need an excuse. Be it pride or fear. It's far too easy to leave keys. That is a problem.
I started playing Single Player Tarkov. I now love Tarkov again.
Only tarkov I play anymore
@@wolfwithin2967 can you play coop
@BlackGold-fc7tu I'm not really sure, honestly. I always played solo on standard tarkov, so I never really checked
@@BlackGold-fc7tu search for sit
@@BlackGold-fc7tu yes
In response to 29:40
I miss that feeling, there was this guy back in the day of lan parties, he went by "theflyinggecko" he would curb stomp in a full UT match, like 50 kills, 0 deaths, and the next best player had maybe 5 kills. We watched him to do this, blindfolded, with one hand while two other people would watch and confirm he in fact was performing the task.
I don't think I'll ever get to experience battling a true master of a game again, as it will likely be a cheater with hacks coded for free by an AI.
never playing Tarkov again
I learned this lesson in CS1.4, noting like spectating the guy who kills you and seeing their camera flash around and get 180 head shots
How long has this been going on? I remember playing this game about a year ago and it felt off like this.
Keep in mind, not all of them use ESP. Some only use "Radar" itself so they couldn't see you wiggle. Just position.
I've seen this wiggle maybe 10 times and still have goosebumps
...cause the scavs do it to let you know they're friendly?
Just wanna say this video was way more fun to watch than when I watched the original lmao. Even tho I'm an EFT player with 5k hours lol. It legit made me sad to see so many cheaters when I watched the original. And it was a weird and confusing experience cause I've never had that reaction before. I love EFT and I'll probably keep on playing but seeing the game infested with cheaters just ruins the motivation to play and grind.
Try to pick some strange serves. Before they blocked it I was playing on Poland and Czech Republic servers. Suspicious deaths were almost 0 for me. Never leave server on autopick,
you still play? LMAO
@@basin397 Nah, quit not long after I posted this comment. Haven't even launched the game for the new wipe and don't plan to return for a while.
@@TillerOG dang bro, you hate to see it. Give Squad a try, you might like it. A lot less cheaters there too.
@@basin397 I’ve seen a lot of videos of squad, was always interested in the game. If I end up giving it a go I’ll post back here maybe we can squad in
Hackers in games are a prime example of why we can not have nice things. There is always someone out to spread dishonor and cowardice and malice.
Unfortunately seems to be a plague on nearly all online games atm i mean we have always had cheaters but it feels like it went from maybe 5-10% to like 25-75% now depending on the game
If you are NOT hacking, just randomly wiggle from time to time.... you'll come across the hackers who thinks u know he know, then just pop em' in the head when they are letting their guard down
This might be a hilariously good way of disrupting the cheater ecosystem. Make them lose trust amongst each other. Watch them start publicly complaining about legit players mess with their cheating techniques.
Yeah let me just wiggle while I open violet while there’s a ledx or gpu in there
Cheaters are also smart enough to tell apart other cheaters via KDA and in fact having direct line of sight without having one.
@@arionell not really. Tarkov KDA counts both PMCs and Scavs. As a legit player it is not hard to keep a 9+ KDA, if your survival rate is over 50% and you kill a decent amount of scavs per raid (playing a map like customs for instance).
This wipe I have a 71% SR and a 12.5 KDA, and I mostly don't kill scavs while playing groups because of other's quests. But yeah, direct sightline is an easy tell.
@@band0lero Buuuuuuulllshit!
the wiggle was used in Fortnite competitive matches for money. If you saw someone out in the open swinging their pickaxe at you that meant they didn't want to fight and you could both rotate or continue looting without worrying about the other person. Eventually epic caught on and started perma banning people using it in tournaments.
The thing, that doesn't indicate cheating if people are able to actually see each other's game character. Fortnite was banning for uncompetitive play, not cheating.
What makes the wiggle or pulling out the melee weapon so damning in this video is that it's communication between players that can't see each other (through walls or terrain) unless they are using cheats.
Where is the link to the guy's video so we can see the interview?
The fact that i wiggle in every Game that allows it made me think on how many cheaters felt betrayed bye me trying to kill them not knowing that
Tarkov is such an amazing game with legitimate players. It is a shame that the cheating is this prevalent
No worries brother, they will fix it 1/1 , game like this cant die because of hackers . It's to good to be killed
@@TheMosky94 They're not gonna fix it because of how they can profit from doing nothing about cheaters. If anything, BSG acting hostile towards people talking about this issue says a lot
@@ConfirmedZer0 they have no reason to fix this issue unfortunatly. sure they can save the game but it wont net them much profit. the people who can hand tarkov are already playing the rest would rage quit. with that being said they would rather have thousands of cheaters buy new accounts for $100+ each rather than hope for new players
@@kyleprimeau977 yup.
lol russian camping sim .... good .... bwahahahaha
I think the longstanding issue with Tarkov has been that there's so much incentive to cheat. It's a game where winner takes all. You kill the other players on the map and all the A.I., you get the pick of what all to leave the map with. The game is completely based around knowledge and information, since you aren't given any by the game. Having knowledge of where everyone is, what they're wearing, how dangerous they probably are, if they're running with a group, etc. completely eliminates the possibility of picking bad fights because you position yourself for an easy win, assuming you yourself don't suck at the game. That's just for the people who want easy progression and to stroke their ego by sucking up all the good loot every raid.
The other issue that had been plaguing the game but is more or less completely impossible now was RMT (Real Money Transactions) like paying cheaters for items or carries in raids. It is almost completely impossible to buy any valuable items from cheaters now except maybe guns/ammo/armor as you can spawn in with them, kill them for it, and extract, but they can't guarantee you will survive the raid with the gear you bought from them so I imagine less people will be willing to spend real money to take these risks. I would almost argue that most people who have been cheating to this point were probably not RMT sellers, so the ban waves eradicating those people may not reduce the problem all that much.
Really sad, honestly. Tarkov is such a unique and fun experience when everything works the way it's supposed to, but knowing how bad it is like Asmon said makes you scratch your head every time you die and go "Did I get Tarkov'd, outplayed, or are they just cheating?" The amount of desync and other engine/server issues makes the problem much worse if you don't know how things like pushers advantage and peaks work as well. Really tragic for a game that has so much potential to be a standout.
Never played Tarkov, but in Arma/DayZ the whole hacker union thing started since it was pointless for one guy with god mode to try to kill another guy with god mode. Hence, they started working together instead.
This is the reason i stopped playing shooters like these. Devs are not on top of this anymore. Finding cheaters costs time and money which they dont want to spend. I don't mind someone being better, but when you can't trust someone just having more skill because of the rampant cheating, it just takes all the fun away. I miss playing fps's.
tarkov is an incredible game made completely unplayable by cheating and unresolved bugs..... rea shame its on another level to alot of shooters
Yet they keep adding new shit instead of refining what they have
Genuinely surprised but pleased to see Asmon reach the Tarkov community.
I'm not surprised that a big name would make this video now. After Soaps video, people on Twitter were saying watch out for big streamers to bank off his video and they are. Asmon is a good example rn.
If you think about it it makes perfect sense that the cheaters would avoid fighting because its a level playing field then.
At that point it comes down to who gets the angle, who is using aimbot and who gets the first shot off. The cheaters specifically got the cheats because they suck at the game and they NEED an advantage.
Keeping in mind that K/D in Tarkov includes AI kills so its not a player K/D as far as I know. As far as I know the game does not calculate PMC K/D unless somehow the cheater software does it.
Tarkov needs a hacker hunter. Someone willing to delve into the darkness of hacks, hunt down those who cheat. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need, the cheeky boi.
ANARCHYHD!!! He's an awesome cheeto hunter!!!!!!!
Fun fact, this is the case with every multiplayer shooter, players are just more discrete and hide them better in bigger games like COD, Fortnite, R6 siege, etc.
that "listen im not telling you what to do with your life" :D killed me!
My lack of knowledge, combined with my wiggling, led the people who approached me to believe that I was cheating. I had thought I was just lucky and encountering friendly individuals. It's no wonder that I eventually stopped playing Tarkov, as I felt constantly under pressure while trying to give it my all, despite my innocent wiggling.
That's an interesting behavior in general for a videogame, like how the cheaters had certain community and even they had secret "handshakes" to advise the other players to not shoot you, even more, some level of cooperation when it comes to cheaters finding other stray cheaters.
Cheating is bad, of course, but i am interested how they interact more than how they play
They are all just psychologically damaged children who never grew up.
The wiggle in tarkov is actually a universal gesture. Because there’s nothing to show friendly players, it’s the simplest way of signalling to your squad “This is me, don’t shoot!”. It then kinda evolved to say “I see you, but don’t shoot! I’m friendly!”
The cheating part is just them wiggling through walls at each other
The discord community thing is almost certainly present in other games.
As for the wiggle, it was a way of offering peace between players before VOIP was added to the game. Previously you would only have premade voicelines (in either English or Russian) which could be used so it was a lot harder to communicate and the wiggle was born. The main difference is when you wiggle at someone you can't see...
ceases to amaze me how asmongold can word things better than every other content creator in a game. You described how the community is feeling to a T. As soon as you know hackers are rampant you have that question in your head after every death.
He just gets it. He's not only part of the gaming culture, he's in it.
That’s because his IQ is higher than most content creators.
Does that mean you are no longer amazed?
The wiggle is the minecraft spam crouch... lmao
Glad you are shining more light on this video. It deserves all the attention and puts pressure on the developers since it is now hurting potential buyers rather than people who have already bought the game
Funny enough a friend wanted me to get into Tarkov around the start of it, He told me the premise and what to expect. I told him sounds really tough and probably guaranteed to piss me off, what happen if people cheat? Got shrugged off and ended up not playing the game or even hearing about it until this point.
Just thinking in a alternate world I could of been teabagged and looted for my crap with my friend by cheaters... feels good playing kirby is all I'm saying.
Woke up in the middle of my sleep. Paused it went back to sleep I coulda sworn this was Charlie but now that I’m fully awake I’m confuzzled now
The wiggle was around since before voip was implemented to try and show friendliness. Its evolved to this.
the cheating is so bad the cheaters actually have to work around the fact they are not the only one seeing everyone acros the map
I think it is kinda sad that the "Wiggle" as gesture is now ruined by cheaters. Because originally it was a gesture used in ArmA 2 DayZ mod that you are not hostile. Even trhough it was later used to fool other players into tricking you they are friendly.
Doesn’t seem like it was ruined it just kind of seems like a signal. Meaning things depending upon the context
Rare to see another og DayZ player.
Its true
It is still used as a "I'm friendly" gesture. Cheaters didn't ruin it, they are just using it alongside their ESP.
back in the days i used to play with hacks for a while in pretty much every FPS game just to know what new hacks there are, how efficient they are, how they could be used, and what a typical spot for easy unnoticable hacking is... then i learnt the patterns and could spot a hacker with ease. Most importantly i managed to avoid most of them because even if they have hacks, it's very uncommon that they actually have aimbot on because it's too obvious in killcam etc, they just use hacking for spotting.
it made me better as a player when i didn't use hacks, cuz i knew what places to avoid, and early recognized when there was a wallhacker in the game.
Wow, pay them $250 for the game only to get taken out repeatedly by cheaters... LOL