Ted revealed that one thing in Season 1 is that we never saw Michael alone, so he always had to be "in character" as a good guy until the finale. Sneaky.
Fun fact: only Kristen and Ted knew about the twist from the beginning. They revealed it to the rest of the cast only towards the end. There’s a reaction video to the twist of the remaining main cast on CZcams.
What’s great is all the things you notice on rewatch. There’s a scene where Chidi is working with Micheal to keep Eleanore there. Michael asked Chidi if he wanted to use chalk or dry erase marker. The look on Micheal’s face when he forced the choice on Chidi was golden. So many little things like that.
Michael was pushing their buttons pretty much in the open. But Danson sells it as affable unintended pressure rather than it being deliberate. But yes. Even his facial expressions can be reinterpreted on second viewing.
THE episode we've all been waiting for. This is the best twist in television history, and I do think people love the show and twist so much that they never spoil it for people. And going forward just know that the show doesn't slip in quality. Truly the smartest 30 minute comedy/sitcom ever made. Just a special show and cast.
This show is the best argument ever for knowing from the beginning where your show is supposed to end (which the writers did). It allowed them to take HUGE swings in the middle. This... and many more (that these guys will never guess.... although the first 3 episodes of Season 2 will give them a general idea of the huge ambitions of the show going forward).
What I love about this fandom is that they will not reveal the twist ending. I first got into this show when my roommate introduced it to me. All she described it was that it was about a woman who died and went to heaven, but she didn't belong there. That was the full summary I got, and I'm so glad I went into this almost completely blind.
I LOVE THE REACTION! I SWORE you both had gotten the clues before-hand. You would question events, but Michael always kept you invested in the Good Place. He acted so goofy and sincere that you really believed him. Watching Season 1 again knowing stuff is so telling. It really lets you know how good an actor Danson is. You SEE the duplicity subtly in his face. Its great. Trust the journey and the writers.
I don't think anyone thought you were stupid for not getting the twist. We all had the same experience, and it was such a pleasure that nobody wanted to spoil it for you.
There are so many small 'How could this be The Good Place?' details that you explain away or ignore because it is just a silly sitcom and doesn't need to be perfect. I love this show so much!
To me it mirrors real life. We often give people the benefit of the doubt-depending on who they are and their mannerism etc. And then don’t believe that people who are good manipulators are badly intended no matter their actions (the best way to judge someone’s motivations, in context, of course). It’s good to give people the benefit of the doubt in many situations. But those who need it often aren’t granted it because of frankly surface reasons and the opposite is true as well.
Well, at first, it seems like it's because Michael is just bad at running the neighborhood. He's doing it for the first time, and in a way that hasn't been done before. Not to mention the coincidences, when things happen at the worst time, but like you say, it's a TV show, so that's just how jokes are told. But here, it means so much more.
A lot of shows’ fanbases don’t really care about casually spoiling later events in the comments of reactions. We of The Good Place like to take goodness a step further by purposefully steering you away from certain ideas when you seem to be suspecting.
One of my favorite twists ever. It is set up really well so its not obvious but it also makes complete sense. You don't feel like a total idiot for missing it but you also wonder why you overlooked things as well. Just really well done.
19:47 I’m just gonna copy and paste a comment I left on another reactor’s video for this episode: Honestly, while yeah there’s a bit of laughing at reactors while they try to figure out season 1, I think the biggest reason most of us love watching reactions to this show is because it’s the closest we’ll ever get to experiencing the twists and turns for the first time all over again! We get to live vicariously through you!
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 The one I was referring to, and highly recommend, is Tyler Alexander. He’s really insightful when it comes to the philosophy aspect of the show!
There's a quote from _Doctor Who_ (unfortunately in a DVD extra scene rather than an actual episode), that explains why this ancient powerful character always travels with young human companions, and it's a similar idea: "I look at a star and it's just a big ball of burning gas, and I know how it began, I know how it ends. And I was probably there both times. You know, after a while, everything is just stuff. That's the problem: you make all of space and time your backyard what do you have? A backyard. But _you_ can see it. And when you see it, I see it!"
Michael's "evil laugh" was not in the script, it was improvised by Ted Danson during one of the takes, and they kept it in. And, partly due to Danson's talent and partly due to the context, for my money it's one of the most sinister laughs I've ever heard.
And it worked with the next sequence, when he's sulking and annoyed with Eleanor, because of where the ad break landed (that fade to black). He goes from amused to annoyed really fast, but they got away with it in the broadcast because of the length of the ad break!
@RobertJW I always interpreted it as, while he was disappointed for obvious reasons, part of him was genuinely impressed and thrilled that Eleanor figured it out. You can see it in Danson's performance leading up to the reveal. He's almost smiling as she lays it out. Big "look at you, this is awesome, you're almost there" energy. Which actually makes sense because the flashback subplot through the whole episode was about how Michael was trying to get everyone excited about his new idea, and nobody was. Who is the only person who is genuinely impressed by what he's done? Eleanor. Even though she is the victim of his deception, even though he underestimated them and she figured it out, she's like way to go, dog, this is some amazing work. She's the first & only one who gives him that validation. Makes sense it would make him happy, even as his plan falls apart.
I always love that Michael's Bold New Plan is called "The Good Place", which clearly foreshadows when you look back on it but I did not catch at all the first time.
Since you asked ("Be honest... did any of you figure it out before Eleanor...") - I said to my partner several episodes earlier "This place is awful, this isn't heaven, they're in hell!" But even so, I didn't anticipate that that was exactly what the scriptwriters were up to. I just figured they were so immersed in doing sitcom stuff, having the characters put each other in awkward cringeworthy situations and frustrating each other, that they'd dropped the ball on portraying the good place as even remotely desirable. So while the reveal certainly made me LOOK like an oracle for having said that, I can't take full credit.
It worked because we believed the story about it being Michael's first neighborhood, he wasn't supposed to be there with them and had made mistakes. We also came to believe that Chidi and Tahani belonged in the Good Place, so that's where they had to be. Also, the demons we met were really good at the acting like good people. Seems like they had fun. 6:05 Yeah... 'Real Eleanor' shouldn't have known about the choice of two people. 6:49 THE GOOD PLACE in quotes - this nagged at me and I figured it out just as Eleanor said it.
There WERE people who caught the twist before the reveal, but I was not one of them. I watched this show with my dad as it was coming out, and he would go on Reddit after every episode and tell me what everyone was talking about. And maybe halfway through season one, he said that there was a new theory that they were in the bad place. And I said “well that’s stupid” and didn’t give it another thought lmao.
People use me a lot for show/movie suggestions because I am very good at learning what THEY like and matching it up with my extensive media knowledge. I recommend this show a lot. Most shows, I can give a fairly extensive summary of the show without ruining it. This show, I can only discuss the first episode. Everything else is part of the well-crafted and well-paced plot. Any of it discussed out of place feels unearned or ruins that journey. Watching you two going through it is like watching my friends or I going through that journey the first time. If you enjoyed the plot-twist, the rest will not disappoint.
fun fact: the only two actors who knew the twist from the beginning were the ones for Eleanor and for Michael. the rest found out right before shooting the last episode. there's a great video online of their reactions to the reveal.
Well, congratulations. You guys are now part of the cul...group of people who solemnly swear not to reveal the 1x13 twist to anyone. I'm gna be honest, i've yet ot see anyone anywhere break that rule. Which is frankly crazy.
I don't know if someone's mentioned this but in the extended verisons after Eleanors "and everything michael has done has made at least 1 of us miserable", each one gives an example with a flashback. Eleanor says she had to be his assistant and basically uncover herself. Chidi said that michael convinced him to throw his lifes work in the garbage Tahani said that he left the neighborhood rankings where she could find it cause he knew she would hate being 2nd to last. And jason said he had the perfect budhole and no dudes to share it with. Great reaction guys!
At first look any problems in The Good Place were chalked up to a faulty neighborhood design or after effects of Eleanor’s and Jason’s presence. After the reveal, looking back, you can see all of the evidence right there. So glad you didn’t have it spoiled and got to enjoy the twist!!
Best part of the reaction: Kevin's hand on his forehead, mouth wide open and eyebrows raised very high, as he says, "We have a lot to talk about after this episode. My head's exploding right now!" LOVE IT.
It really is the biggest mind-trip of a twist ever. How often can you get to the end of a season before you realize you haven't been watching the show you thought you were?
@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 Exactly! I was already enjoying the show, but with this episode I said, "Okay, this may legit be one of the best shows ever written. It's now top 10 for me, and I will recommend it to everyone. "
The clown wall isn't the only part of the house that's a hint. All of the furniture in the house is objectively bad. Most of it sits too low to the ground and is really uncomfortable.
We finally got here, a really cool thing about this is that the actors themselves didn't know about this revelation of the season finale, right here on CZcams there's their reaction to the script told by the writer, you could react to that too
I had absolutely no idea about the twist the first time through, and also got chills at the reveal! My only nagging suspicion was that Tahani çan be condescending, but the show does a good job of convincing you she's good. The show is brilliant. There are *so many* hints it's the bad place, but you can write them all off as either "it's Michael's first neighborhood", or "it's a sitcom, you just have to roll with some odd things that might not totally stand up to intense scrutiny". Some hints: Michael kicked a dog into the sun. Michael gave Eleanor a paperclip shower. Michael told Chidi his book was unreadable. Michael told Chidi that if he wanted to spend eternity getting harsh feedback about his writing, Michael would help. Michael setting up Chidi to decide between 3 love interests. The show knows exactly what it's doing, and does throughout all 4 seasons!
I've watched so many people react to this show and obviously watched this show many many many times...my thinking is the main reason why you don't consider it being the bad place is you really feel bad for Michael and you grow to love him. Really, it is hats off to the writers and the masterful Ted Danson. If you didn't legit feel bad for Michael from episode 2 on and didn't truly believe his panic and stress and freak outs the twist wouldn't have worked. Added to that the fact that after eleanor confesses, his stress became legit real, and that "mad scramble"
I'm interesting thing that I can finally talk about is trying to draw comparisons to Jean-Paul Sarte's No Exit, which is where we get the saying hell is other people. Even the text of that play is a very good base to draw comparisons to this first season. I also don't believe that drawing that comparison diminishes either at all because this was so wonderfully done adding extra layers and making that parallel that feels very obvious in retrospect such a twist.
The real Good Place should just let you eat full-fat ice cream made with real cream, but you don't get fat. And it should just be milk, cream, sugar, and whatever you need to flavor it, like real strawberries or vanilla bean. None of this nonsense of artificial flavors, carageenan and thickeners to mimic creaminess that we have in our "frozen dairy dessert" here in our own version of the Medium Place we call Earth.
I always love how much they shot everything with this twist in mind. The perfect example is that, when they shot the scene where Eleanor confesses in front of everyone, Michael's face is of shock, and then it cuts, but in this episode we get to see the complete shot where he acts shocked and then his head tilts slightly to the left in a slight frown of "ah, shit I didn't expect this". I just love those little details that you definitely enjoy on a rewatch
Honestly, I just enjoy watching the brain melting moment every single reactor has to this episode. If you ever watch the first season, you're gonna realize that Michael never has a scene in season one without one of the main four... Because otherwise he would reveal that he was teasing them. This show runs four seasons but basically it has five, because you have to rewatch the first season and go "oh my god this is what he was really doing."
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 So, I am so glad you avoided spoilers! Rewatching the first season after knowing the reveal puts everything in a new context. Looking forward to seeing your reaction to season two.
19:25 'Technically' most did not really gaslight you on Tahani belonging there... People told you that Tahani belonged there, and considering where they actually were, she DID belong. 😏
"We have a lot to talk about after this episode." I think that might be the funniest spot reaction I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of them at this point.
This is such an amazing twist. Because your first reaction to it, demonstrated here, is "What the heck are you talking about, that's insane", but once they spell it all out it becomes SO OBVIOUS you can't believe you didn't guess it. Perfect twist, expertly executed.
Elanor also described her parents probably torturing each other in bad place in one of the first episodes. Obvious in retrospect, almost no one picked up the first time.
24:20 I definitely believe that anyone who watches and loves the show would never spoil it for anybody. I have 2 friends who I've recently suggested this show to and it would be a complete disservice to them to tell them about this twist...best twist in tv history in large part cause almost no one saw it coming...
I was hoping you wouldn't go too hard on defending her. Because either way, if they thought you were telling them accurately about her character, or not, it risked pushing their thoughts in a possible direction where they'd question the accuracy of what the show was telling them. The show, all by itself, shows her being absolutely awful at times, tragic at other times, and admirable at other points.
24:00 The reason why most people will not tell you about the show... is because basically it twists and turns and burns through story so fast that other sitcoms would like play out over years... That they don't want to rob you of the experience. It is so so satisfying to watch the show with the dramatic irony of where it's going as well as watching the people who don't know ... go through it. ❤❤❤ Your friends are gonna lie to you until the end of season four..... Because it's worth it. ❤
As you as you started doing this show, I was impatiently waiting to see your reaction to The Moment in this episode. You two did not disappoint! The stunned silence - awesome!!! Thanks!
I've watched all of the reactions out there for the good place, and nobody has ever guessed the twist. People have come close, but the show throws in so many misdirects to explain away its many issues. So there's a lot of things that while you're watching season 1 you see as a plot hole, or you explain the issues away to yourself by saying It's Michael's first neighborhood and he made some mistakes, which turns out to be explained by the fact that it's not the good place. It is by far the best twist of any show I've ever watched for sure.
The cast didnt know. There is an amazing video of Janet, Jason, Tahani and Chidi listening to a read through of the final scene and their reaction. You should check it out.
I don't think anyone ever thought you were stupid, guys. Pretty sure there were very few people who saw that ending coming. I personally had fun watching you week by week guessing, knowing how your minds were going to be blown when the reveal came. What a great payoff! And believe it or not, the series just gets better.
Y'know, I just realized how smart it was for the writers to introduce the idea that Michael had the ability to erase their memories right in the beginning of the show when he told Eleanor that they erase the memory of how you died for particularly embarrassing deaths. That way, when Michael tells Eleanor that he is going to erase all of their memories and start over again, it is not something completely new out of left field.
If you have time, I suggest you watch season 1 again. There are a few things, you will understand better, now you know the twist. There is a few tricks they use to ensure, you don't fully figure it out. I think the best one is calling out Friends and the nature of sitcons. Something in sitcons don't really make sense, but you are not supposed to take them seriously because they sitcons. So if something doesn't really fit with the idea of this being the good place, this is because it is a sitcon, don't think too much about it.
You guys mentioned the cast knowing and hiding this twist all season but actually I believe only Kristen Bell and Ted Danson knew prior to the episode. There’s actually a video of the rest of the cast finding out about the twist while reading the script here on youtube. Also, I thought it was worth mentioning that this is based off a real philosophical play called No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre where a group of people are stuck together in the waiting room for hell before realizing that this is their torture and “hell is other people”. Michael Schur (the showrunner) is obviously very into philosophy (as seen already throughout the show) and decided to flip that play and its thesis on its head by having them help and care for each other. Pretty interesting stuff.
We read this play in French class when I was in high school: “Huis Clos”. I immediately had to think of it, when the truth was reveiled (it’s about 45 years ago).
In the first episode, when Eleanor is climbing into bed after the party at tahani's, she talks about if her parents are in bad place, and says she wonders if her parents are being used to torture each other saying that would work. Right there at the end of the first episode. Talk about foreshadowing
I hate that I’m late, but it was still great to see your reaction to the twist. I started watching this show in October of 2020 and am currently on my 10th watch through. (That’s not counting every reactor I’ve found for this show). This is arguably the easiest show to watch, ever and it does not dip in quality.
One of my favorite Shawn lines: "Even getting humans to pull each other's teeth is like... I can't even think of the right analogy." Heeeeeeeeeeeeee. Cracks me up every time. That, Michael petulantly pushing the plant over, and Vicky saying, "Oh mannnnnnn! I just rehearsed this for like 3 hours! You can all suck it!" 🤣🤣🤣
lololol THEY TURNED SARTRE'S "NO EXIT" INTO A TELEVISION SHOW AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE! Also: As others have said, the show doesn't rely on this one twist as a crutch (as I'm sure you've already discovered). So, so good.
21:06 - Haha, you said "Now it's "The Good Place" (in air quotes)" - Notice on Michael's blueprints when he is designing The Good Place it says "The Good Place" (in quotes) A Bold New Plan.
I have been WAITING for this episode!! We've all been dying to see your reaction to this! 😆🤣 When I first saw this, when Michael started his evil laugh, I literally shrank back in my seat, I was so shocked! It was hilarious. I love Ted Danson too, so I never saw that coming. I was like, what? No. WHAT?! Nooooo. WHAT????!!! 🤣🤣🤣 My brain was broken. I was like, what the hell is happening here? Which made me laugh, because I thought, "Well, that's appropriate. What the 'hell' is happening? It IS hell!" Lol. And what's fantastic is, you just never see it coming! There are things that seemed weird to me upon first viewing, but they're so good at distracting you and throwing you off and taking your attention in a different direction that you totally forget what you were pondering. I remember when Vicky said she should go to the Bad Place because Chidi didn't love her, my thought was, "You literally just met him, like, a day or two ago! Give him time to get to know you, girl!" I thought it was weird and a little annoying, but like you I thought, okay, she's overly selfless, so maybe she thinks he should feel that way about her immediately or she doesn't belong there with him. But they immediately distract you with other things, so you dismiss it in your head and move on. But when you rewatch the first season, you start to see all the little weird things that were right in front of your face. And it's BRILLIANT. Also, when I first saw this, I loved it, but I thought, "Oh no, they're just going to start all over again? From the beginning? Like it never happened?" Silly me. Yes, they are, but... count on the writers to continue to take you in places you don't see coming. Trust that you will not figure it out. And the twists will keep coming, in different ways. We're not going to spoil it for you -- you'll just have to trust in the writers and wait and see where it goes next! 😄 ENJOY!!
Holy motherforking shirtballs is this show good. You guys are so lucky that you don’t have to wait for season 2 like those of us who watched this when it originally aired did. 8:30 OMG YOUR FACES!!!!
There really so many hints and clues. As you noted, Chidi didnt seem to have done anything positive enough to earn points, but its possible that teaching people how to be good could have got points. Many of the people were too good to be true - Real Eleanor most notably, some of the situations were clearly for comedic effect - the couple who came to stay being a marriage councillor and an expert on false identities, many others
I promise, we definitely weren't laughing at you. We were just so excited and couldn't WAIT for you to get to this episode so you could fully join the club! Let me officially say: "Welcome. Everything is fine!" 🤣😉
I keep mentioning this when discussing the show, but to me it is just insane how well they hid all their foreshadowing of this twist across season 1. So many moments with Ted Danson where he does something nasty, or evil, or weird, and viewers (like me) do not catch on since it comes across as done for sitcom-typical humour. And another point on how stellar the writing is - in my opinion not even the best moment in the show, as amazing as it is. As another note, I love that you two keep talking about the show constantly changing. Spot on, and very well put. And the writers aren't remotely done.
For the record - a friend sais she figured it out a minute or two before the reveal, and I believe her. Me? I figured it out when Eleanore says that they will never call a train to the Bad Place, or seconds before the reveal ends. ;-)
It's well worth listening to the good place podcast now, it would have spoiled it if you started listening before as they go into the twist on the 1st episode but after season 1 each podcast episode is based on a TGP episode so no spoilers. Marc Evan Jackson who plays Shawn hosts the show...
i’ve been waiting for this reaction because of your extensive discussions about the characters, and i found the shock on your faces so delightful i was cackling like michael! ride’s not over yet, hope you enjoy the rest of the show :)
13:51 Lol, this kinda reminds me of another reactor I watch who tells her viewers to leave fake spoilers in the comments, that way if anyone ever leaves real spoilers she won’t know the difference.
So glad you weren't spoiled and were happily fooled. I didn't see the twist and loved it. Haven't seen a better one on TV, up there for me with "I am your father". And rest assured, the show continues to move fast and will continue to surprise. IMO, season two is even better than season one. Looking forward to your reactions to season two.😀
Now you guys REALLY have to think back on certain things. Like.... did you notice before now that (until this episode) we NEVER saw Michael outside the presence of one of the four humans. EVER. If you thought this episode was crazy? Strap in. The next few will make your heads spin. Oh. There actually ARE plenty of hints. But the show's magic is that it makes people dismiss them. I guessed this might be the bad place from Episode 2. But completely dismissed the idea, and even forgot about it, by episode 13. Now, at your leisure, off camera, rewatch the season. You'll pick up on SO many extra things. Also... not a spoiler. But be aware that even the smallest detail, a single line of dialogue, a prop, anything... may show up again in a bigger way elsewhere in the show. Don't obsess over it, but if you think something familiar is said, appears, or happens... its probably because some other iteration DID. Finally... and this is a biggie... We can now recommend that you look up the play "No Exit" by Jean-Paul Sartre. Mentioning it before this would have been a sin. But even if you don't watch the play (there's a movie version) just read the Wikipedia entry. You'll see some familiar concepts mentioned. "Hell is other people" is the famous phrase from the play. Think about that phrase in relation to what you just saw in The Good Place Season 1.
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 So glad you are enjoying this show it's one of the best comedy shows to come out for a long time, really think you are going to enjoy the rest of the series, can't wait for your next reaction, take care, all the best.
i can imagine how this must have screwed with you...that all of us kept quiet. The build up to this was awesome... but i do have to tell you how it blew my mind when i saw this episode. I was watching it with a friend but i knew he never watched it live (he had something the night it was on weekly) so ihad to wait until the next day to talk about it with anyone....OMG it was so hard no to call him
I definitely didn't figure it out, but I do remember one moment that made me go "well, I hope that wouldnt' happen in MY Good Place!" -- when Michael threw out Chidi's book -- as someone who has written a thesis, that hurt me in my soul -- telling him all that work was worthless was truly cruel, lol
Great show. Best show I've seen in years. Want the only thing I've seen since that matches it? The Anime "Frieren: Beyond Journey's End" It might be completely different from everything else you're reacting to, but trust me. It's really that good.
I can only think of one other show with a twist this big - the Season 3 finale of Lost. Otherwise I'd have to go back to the series finale of Newhart. Side note: A friend of mine inadvertently told me The Good Place twist when I was in the middle of binging it a couple of years ago, when I was on like episode 10. I was... not happy.
Oh man! That sucks. I'm so sorry -- I've had people spoil film twists for me before, and it's no fun. Especially when it's a twist as good as this one is.
It really speaks to how special this show is that its fans basically unanimously agree that what we owe to each other is to not spoil the twist
No joke: you guys gaslit us so well that we were questioning our own opinions of the characters. Well done!
What we owe to each other. I see what you did there. Well done!
Hear, hear!
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6* Evil Laugh* sorry about the gaslighting 😅 just wanted y’all to have the full experience 😂💀
The Good Place has a lot in common with Fight Club. Or maybe just that one thing.
Ted revealed that one thing in Season 1 is that we never saw Michael alone, so he always had to be "in character" as a good guy until the finale. Sneaky.
His evil laugh! :)
Guys, he kicked a puppy into THE SUN. If that wasn’t a sign. 😂
Right? And all the froyo.
Fun fact: only Kristen and Ted knew about the twist from the beginning. They revealed it to the rest of the cast only towards the end. There’s a reaction video to the twist of the remaining main cast on CZcams.
The vídeo: czcams.com/video/3Bhyin0HaLU/video.htmlsi=CAuXsIvbPSq5rb-o
Although Ted told everyone apparently.
Thanks for the link! I just watched. The men's mind-blown reactions were great!
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6Believe they thought they were called in as they were letting one go for season 2.
I need to see that! Thanks!
What’s great is all the things you notice on rewatch. There’s a scene where Chidi is working with Micheal to keep Eleanore there. Michael asked Chidi if he wanted to use chalk or dry erase marker. The look on Micheal’s face when he forced the choice on Chidi was golden. So many little things like that.
We missed so many subtle clues; many people pointed out "The Good Place" being in ironic quotes on Michael's plan.
Michael was pushing their buttons pretty much in the open. But Danson sells it as affable unintended pressure rather than it being deliberate. But yes. Even his facial expressions can be reinterpreted on second viewing.
Yes, rewatching it knowing how much the rest of the cast is screwing with our main characters is so much fun.
THE episode we've all been waiting for. This is the best twist in television history, and I do think people love the show and twist so much that they never spoil it for people. And going forward just know that the show doesn't slip in quality. Truly the smartest 30 minute comedy/sitcom ever made. Just a special show and cast.
Absolutely agree. This is what all serialized comedies should aspire to.
This show is the best argument ever for knowing from the beginning where your show is supposed to end (which the writers did). It allowed them to take HUGE swings in the middle. This... and many more (that these guys will never guess.... although the first 3 episodes of Season 2 will give them a general idea of the huge ambitions of the show going forward).
A friend mentioned the twist and Sartre's No Exit so I figured it out. But it was still fun to watch.
Michael's evil laugh was improvised on the last take and i can't possibly imagine the scene without it.
What I love about this fandom is that they will not reveal the twist ending. I first got into this show when my roommate introduced it to me. All she described it was that it was about a woman who died and went to heaven, but she didn't belong there. That was the full summary I got, and I'm so glad I went into this almost completely blind.
I love how blindsded we were by the big reveal. Neither of us had a clue!
The beauty of it is, once you know, and you rewatch from the beginning, it’s so freaking obvious.
Joe : (episode 9) “This show should be called Twists and Turns.”
Everyone in the chat: just wait😂😂😂
Seriously :)
I LOVE THE REACTION! I SWORE you both had gotten the clues before-hand. You would question events, but Michael always kept you invested in the Good Place. He acted so goofy and sincere that you really believed him. Watching Season 1 again knowing stuff is so telling. It really lets you know how good an actor Danson is. You SEE the duplicity subtly in his face. Its great.
Trust the journey and the writers.
I have complete faith the writers will crush this show all the way through. They really know what they're doing!
I don't think anyone thought you were stupid for not getting the twist. We all had the same experience, and it was such a pleasure that nobody wanted to spoil it for you.
The community deserves some kind of prize for how well all spoilers were avoided.
There are so many small 'How could this be The Good Place?' details that you explain away or ignore because it is just a silly sitcom and doesn't need to be perfect. I love this show so much!
To me it mirrors real life. We often give people the benefit of the doubt-depending on who they are and their mannerism etc. And then don’t believe that people who are good manipulators are badly intended no matter their actions (the best way to judge someone’s motivations, in context, of course). It’s good to give people the benefit of the doubt in many situations. But those who need it often aren’t granted it because of frankly surface reasons and the opposite is true as well.
How did we NOT get that all the ice cream places just served FroYo???
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 FroYo is medium at best. Not what I want as my heavenly reward.
Well, at first, it seems like it's because Michael is just bad at running the neighborhood. He's doing it for the first time, and in a way that hasn't been done before.
Not to mention the coincidences, when things happen at the worst time, but like you say, it's a TV show, so that's just how jokes are told. But here, it means so much more.
A lot of shows’ fanbases don’t really care about casually spoiling later events in the comments of reactions. We of The Good Place like to take goodness a step further by purposefully steering you away from certain ideas when you seem to be suspecting.
It worked. You all steered us away from anything remotely correct (not the we had a clue about the BIG reveal).
Although honestly there are no twists as big as this one. The other twists are great but they don't completely alter everything you've just watched.
Michael's laugh and pushing the plant of the table is my favourite part. :)
Great writing and direction combined with the talent of Ted Danson. Just masterful.
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6the laugh was Ted's thought when filming, on a "let me try this" kinda thing.
Ted the cat.
One of my favorite twists ever. It is set up really well so its not obvious but it also makes complete sense. You don't feel like a total idiot for missing it but you also wonder why you overlooked things as well. Just really well done.
Absolute perfection. 13 episodes in, and we learn we aren't watching the show we thought we were.
The utter shock on your faces at the reveal 🤣🤣
We had no idea. Well done on gaslighting us and not spoiling anything!
"Buzz off, Bambadjan!" is one of my favorite quotes in all of Season 1, and possibly the whole series.
She straight up shut down the Deus Ex Machina. Just fantastic.
What was good about this, is that the next season you don't think will be as good as where do they go from this, but it just gets better in season 2.
Yeah, the writers are so competent and smart that I completely trust them not to fumble the ball.
19:47 I’m just gonna copy and paste a comment I left on another reactor’s video for this episode: Honestly, while yeah there’s a bit of laughing at reactors while they try to figure out season 1, I think the biggest reason most of us love watching reactions to this show is because it’s the closest we’ll ever get to experiencing the twists and turns for the first time all over again! We get to live vicariously through you!
No doubt! I will look for reactions to this for the same reason when we are done with the show.
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 The one I was referring to, and highly recommend, is Tyler Alexander. He’s really insightful when it comes to the philosophy aspect of the show!
There's a quote from _Doctor Who_ (unfortunately in a DVD extra scene rather than an actual episode), that explains why this ancient powerful character always travels with young human companions, and it's a similar idea:
"I look at a star and it's just a big ball of burning gas, and I know how it began, I know how it ends. And I was probably there both times. You know, after a while, everything is just stuff. That's the problem: you make all of space and time your backyard what do you have? A backyard. But _you_ can see it. And when you see it, I see it!"
Michael's "evil laugh" was not in the script, it was improvised by Ted Danson during one of the takes, and they kept it in. And, partly due to Danson's talent and partly due to the context, for my money it's one of the most sinister laughs I've ever heard.
Ted Danson is an absolute legend of American television, and this show is definitely a major pillar in his great career.
And it worked with the next sequence, when he's sulking and annoyed with Eleanor, because of where the ad break landed (that fade to black). He goes from amused to annoyed really fast, but they got away with it in the broadcast because of the length of the ad break!
@RobertJW I always interpreted it as, while he was disappointed for obvious reasons, part of him was genuinely impressed and thrilled that Eleanor figured it out. You can see it in Danson's performance leading up to the reveal. He's almost smiling as she lays it out. Big "look at you, this is awesome, you're almost there" energy. Which actually makes sense because the flashback subplot through the whole episode was about how Michael was trying to get everyone excited about his new idea, and nobody was. Who is the only person who is genuinely impressed by what he's done? Eleanor. Even though she is the victim of his deception, even though he underestimated them and she figured it out, she's like way to go, dog, this is some amazing work. She's the first & only one who gives him that validation. Makes sense it would make him happy, even as his plan falls apart.
I always love that Michael's Bold New Plan is called "The Good Place", which clearly foreshadows when you look back on it but I did not catch at all the first time.
Yep. We totally missed it. Even had ironic quotes around it!
Since you asked ("Be honest... did any of you figure it out before Eleanor...") - I said to my partner several episodes earlier "This place is awful, this isn't heaven, they're in hell!" But even so, I didn't anticipate that that was exactly what the scriptwriters were up to. I just figured they were so immersed in doing sitcom stuff, having the characters put each other in awkward cringeworthy situations and frustrating each other, that they'd dropped the ball on portraying the good place as even remotely desirable. So while the reveal certainly made me LOOK like an oracle for having said that, I can't take full credit.
It worked because we believed the story about it being Michael's first neighborhood, he wasn't supposed to be there with them and had made mistakes. We also came to believe that Chidi and Tahani belonged in the Good Place, so that's where they had to be.
Also, the demons we met were really good at the acting like good people. Seems like they had fun.
6:05 Yeah... 'Real Eleanor' shouldn't have known about the choice of two people.
6:49 THE GOOD PLACE in quotes - this nagged at me and I figured it out just as Eleanor said it.
I 100% bought into the idea that Chidi and Tahani were supposed to be soul mates.
There WERE people who caught the twist before the reveal, but I was not one of them. I watched this show with my dad as it was coming out, and he would go on Reddit after every episode and tell me what everyone was talking about. And maybe halfway through season one, he said that there was a new theory that they were in the bad place. And I said “well that’s stupid” and didn’t give it another thought lmao.
I would have said the same thing! :)
Our bodies have been ready for this for SO LONG 😂. Your reactions were so much fun.
Everyone was SO GREAT about not spoiling things!
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 isn’t it great when people aren’t dicks? 🤣🙌
This twist was great because nobody expected a twist. We all thought it was a sitcom. Now it's a TV show.
That's a really great way to describe it.
The real good place was the friends we made along the way
People use me a lot for show/movie suggestions because I am very good at learning what THEY like and matching it up with my extensive media knowledge. I recommend this show a lot. Most shows, I can give a fairly extensive summary of the show without ruining it. This show, I can only discuss the first episode. Everything else is part of the well-crafted and well-paced plot. Any of it discussed out of place feels unearned or ruins that journey. Watching you two going through it is like watching my friends or I going through that journey the first time. If you enjoyed the plot-twist, the rest will not disappoint.
This is definitely a show that would be hard to accurately describe, spoilers or no.
fun fact: the only two actors who knew the twist from the beginning were the ones for Eleanor and for Michael. the rest found out right before shooting the last episode. there's a great video online of their reactions to the reveal.
Your reactions were definitely worth the wait! And in hindsight, the reveal was very obvious all along
That's the fun part! After getting completely blindsided, you say "oh, of course!"
Even down to Michael overly relying on Tahani to help fix the "Good Place" because it seemed like she wasn't being tortured enough.
Well, congratulations. You guys are now part of the cul...group of people who solemnly swear not to reveal the 1x13 twist to anyone.
I'm gna be honest, i've yet ot see anyone anywhere break that rule. Which is frankly crazy.
I never saw anything remotely close to a spoiler in the comments. I'm honestly so proud of everyone!
In the first episode Eleanor said that she bet her parents were in the bad place, torturing each other.
I really hope we get to meet her parents at some point for some resolution.
I ain’t saying.
I don't know if someone's mentioned this but in the extended verisons after Eleanors "and everything michael has done has made at least 1 of us miserable", each one gives an example with a flashback.
Eleanor says she had to be his assistant and basically uncover herself.
Chidi said that michael convinced him to throw his lifes work in the garbage
Tahani said that he left the neighborhood rankings where she could find it cause he knew she would hate being 2nd to last.
And jason said he had the perfect budhole and no dudes to share it with.
Great reaction guys!
At first look any problems in The Good Place were chalked up to a faulty neighborhood design or after effects of Eleanor’s and Jason’s presence. After the reveal, looking back, you can see all of the evidence right there. So glad you didn’t have it spoiled and got to enjoy the twist!!
Best part of the reaction: Kevin's hand on his forehead, mouth wide open and eyebrows raised very high, as he says, "We have a lot to talk about after this episode. My head's exploding right now!" LOVE IT.
It really is the biggest mind-trip of a twist ever. How often can you get to the end of a season before you realize you haven't been watching the show you thought you were?
@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 Exactly! I was already enjoying the show, but with this episode I said, "Okay, this may legit be one of the best shows ever written. It's now top 10 for me, and I will recommend it to everyone. "
The clown wall isn't the only part of the house that's a hint. All of the furniture in the house is objectively bad. Most of it sits too low to the ground and is really uncomfortable.
The subtle details on this show are so impressive.
this is truly the best twist in television
I can't think of a better one.
M. Night Shamalan watched this show, and muttered despondently, “…my whole life is a lie.” 😂
We finally got here, a really cool thing about this is that the actors themselves didn't know about this revelation of the season finale, right here on CZcams there's their reaction to the script told by the writer, you could react to that too
The vídeo: czcams.com/video/3Bhyin0HaLU/video.htmlsi=CAuXsIvbPSq5rb-o
I just watched this clip. That's great!
I had absolutely no idea about the twist the first time through, and also got chills at the reveal! My only nagging suspicion was that Tahani çan be condescending, but the show does a good job of convincing you she's good.
The show is brilliant. There are *so many* hints it's the bad place, but you can write them all off as either "it's Michael's first neighborhood", or "it's a sitcom, you just have to roll with some odd things that might not totally stand up to intense scrutiny".
Some hints:
Michael kicked a dog into the sun. Michael gave Eleanor a paperclip shower. Michael told Chidi his book was unreadable. Michael told Chidi that if he wanted to spend eternity getting harsh feedback about his writing, Michael would help. Michael setting up Chidi to decide between 3 love interests.
The show knows exactly what it's doing, and does throughout all 4 seasons!
I've watched so many people react to this show and obviously watched this show many many many times...my thinking is the main reason why you don't consider it being the bad place is you really feel bad for Michael and you grow to love him. Really, it is hats off to the writers and the masterful Ted Danson. If you didn't legit feel bad for Michael from episode 2 on and didn't truly believe his panic and stress and freak outs the twist wouldn't have worked. Added to that the fact that after eleanor confesses, his stress became legit real, and that "mad scramble"
I'm interesting thing that I can finally talk about is trying to draw comparisons to Jean-Paul Sarte's No Exit, which is where we get the saying hell is other people. Even the text of that play is a very good base to draw comparisons to this first season. I also don't believe that drawing that comparison diminishes either at all because this was so wonderfully done adding extra layers and making that parallel that feels very obvious in retrospect such a twist.
The real tip-off was all the frozen yogurt stores.
The real Good Place should just let you eat full-fat ice cream made with real cream, but you don't get fat. And it should just be milk, cream, sugar, and whatever you need to flavor it, like real strawberries or vanilla bean. None of this nonsense of artificial flavors, carageenan and thickeners to mimic creaminess that we have in our "frozen dairy dessert" here in our own version of the Medium Place we call Earth.
I always love how much they shot everything with this twist in mind. The perfect example is that, when they shot the scene where Eleanor confesses in front of everyone, Michael's face is of shock, and then it cuts, but in this episode we get to see the complete shot where he acts shocked and then his head tilts slightly to the left in a slight frown of "ah, shit I didn't expect this". I just love those little details that you definitely enjoy on a rewatch
Honestly, I just enjoy watching the brain melting moment every single reactor has to this episode.
If you ever watch the first season, you're gonna realize that Michael never has a scene in season one without one of the main four... Because otherwise he would reveal that he was teasing them.
This show runs four seasons but basically it has five, because you have to rewatch the first season and go "oh my god this is what he was really doing."
Your reaction was sooo worth the wait ❤❤❤
Thanks! What a perfect show.
I'm so glad we finally arrived at this point! Your reactions were worth the wait 😂😂
Hope you enjoyed it!
I have been looking forward to seeing your reaction to this
Thanks! Everyone was so right about avoiding spoilers.
@@watchthiswithjoeandkevin6 So, I am so glad you avoided spoilers! Rewatching the first season after knowing the reveal puts everything in a new context. Looking forward to seeing your reaction to season two.
19:25 'Technically' most did not really gaslight you on Tahani belonging there...
People told you that Tahani belonged there, and considering where they actually were, she DID belong. 😏
That is completely fair. We love all 4 protagonists.
Been waiting for this episode reaction for so long! :D
Great work everyone, on keeping Joe & kevin off the scent.
Yeah. Perfect gaslighting. 100%, no notes.
"We have a lot to talk about after this episode."
I think that might be the funniest spot reaction I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of them at this point.
I was so excited to see this episode pop up! Your reaction to the big twist did not disappoint - loved your shocked and confused looks!
Thank you so much!!
This is such an amazing twist. Because your first reaction to it, demonstrated here, is "What the heck are you talking about, that's insane", but once they spell it all out it becomes SO OBVIOUS you can't believe you didn't guess it. Perfect twist, expertly executed.
As for hinting/foreshadowing, Michael had a literal kick the dog moment in episode 1 or 2, they were just very good at playing it for laughs.
Elanor also described her parents probably torturing each other in bad place in one of the first episodes. Obvious in retrospect, almost no one picked up the first time.
24:20 I definitely believe that anyone who watches and loves the show would never spoil it for anybody. I have 2 friends who I've recently suggested this show to and it would be a complete disservice to them to tell them about this twist...best twist in tv history in large part cause almost no one saw it coming...
Definitely. I know I will never spoil this show for anyone.
Anyone who reveals the twist belongs in the Bad Place
I am in the club, vowing never to spoil it for anyone else. We pay it forward!
Tbh my defense of Tahani wasn't even meant to trick y'all 😭💀 i was just defending her cuz y'all were going super hard on her and i like her lmaoooo
We have sincerely come to love her.
I was hoping you wouldn't go too hard on defending her. Because either way, if they thought you were telling them accurately about her character, or not, it risked pushing their thoughts in a possible direction where they'd question the accuracy of what the show was telling them.
The show, all by itself, shows her being absolutely awful at times, tragic at other times, and admirable at other points.
24:00 The reason why most people will not tell you about the show... is because basically it twists and turns and burns through story so fast that other sitcoms would like play out over years...
That they don't want to rob you of the experience. It is so so satisfying to watch the show with the dramatic irony of where it's going as well as watching the people who don't know ... go through it.
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Your friends are gonna lie to you until the end of season four..... Because it's worth it. ❤
As you as you started doing this show, I was impatiently waiting to see your reaction to The Moment in this episode. You two did not disappoint! The stunned silence - awesome!!! Thanks!
I don't know if you've already watched them, but I'd recommend watching 2x1 and 2x2 together
I've watched all of the reactions out there for the good place, and nobody has ever guessed the twist. People have come close, but the show throws in so many misdirects to explain away its many issues. So there's a lot of things that while you're watching season 1 you see as a plot hole, or you explain the issues away to yourself by saying It's Michael's first neighborhood and he made some mistakes, which turns out to be explained by the fact that it's not the good place. It is by far the best twist of any show I've ever watched for sure.
The cast didnt know. There is an amazing video of Janet, Jason, Tahani and Chidi listening to a read through of the final scene and their reaction. You should check it out.
Someone shared it here. That was so great to see their initial reactions to it.
I was waiting for THAT reaction ^^
I don't think anyone ever thought you were stupid, guys. Pretty sure there were very few people who saw that ending coming. I personally had fun watching you week by week guessing, knowing how your minds were going to be blown when the reveal came. What a great payoff! And believe it or not, the series just gets better.
Y'know, I just realized how smart it was for the writers to introduce the idea that Michael had the ability to erase their memories right in the beginning of the show when he told Eleanor that they erase the memory of how you died for particularly embarrassing deaths. That way, when Michael tells Eleanor that he is going to erase all of their memories and start over again, it is not something completely new out of left field.
If you have time, I suggest you watch season 1 again. There are a few things, you will understand better, now you know the twist.
There is a few tricks they use to ensure, you don't fully figure it out. I think the best one is calling out Friends and the nature of sitcons. Something in sitcons don't really make sense, but you are not supposed to take them seriously because they sitcons. So if something doesn't really fit with the idea of this being the good place, this is because it is a sitcon, don't think too much about it.
I am definitely going to rewatch this show.
You guys mentioned the cast knowing and hiding this twist all season but actually I believe only Kristen Bell and Ted Danson knew prior to the episode. There’s actually a video of the rest of the cast finding out about the twist while reading the script here on youtube.
Also, I thought it was worth mentioning that this is based off a real philosophical play called No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre where a group of people are stuck together in the waiting room for hell before realizing that this is their torture and “hell is other people”. Michael Schur (the showrunner) is obviously very into philosophy (as seen already throughout the show) and decided to flip that play and its thesis on its head by having them help and care for each other. Pretty interesting stuff.
I had no idea about the play. Sounds fascinating! I'm glad the show took a more hopeful outlook.
Of course! The Sartre reference makes so much sense!
We read this play in French class when I was in high school: “Huis Clos”. I immediately had to think of it, when the truth was reveiled (it’s about 45 years ago).
In the first episode, when Eleanor is climbing into bed after the party at tahani's, she talks about if her parents are in bad place, and says she wonders if her parents are being used to torture each other saying that would work. Right there at the end of the first episode. Talk about foreshadowing
I hate that I’m late, but it was still great to see your reaction to the twist.
I started watching this show in October of 2020 and am currently on my 10th watch through. (That’s not counting every reactor I’ve found for this show).
This is arguably the easiest show to watch, ever and it does not dip in quality.
One of my favorite Shawn lines: "Even getting humans to pull each other's teeth is like... I can't even think of the right analogy." Heeeeeeeeeeeeee. Cracks me up every time.
That, Michael petulantly pushing the plant over, and Vicky saying, "Oh mannnnnnn! I just rehearsed this for like 3 hours! You can all suck it!" 🤣🤣🤣
8:33 Yeh, that was pretty much our reaction too. 😂
lololol THEY TURNED SARTRE'S "NO EXIT" INTO A TELEVISION SHOW AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE! Also: As others have said, the show doesn't rely on this one twist as a crutch (as I'm sure you've already discovered). So, so good.
Brilliantly plotted and executed. This show should be used in screenwriting classes.
Congratulations on reaching this episode. Now the show starts to get *really* interesting.
I can't think of another show where you have no idea what the show is really about until the end of the first season.
I’ve been waiting SO LONG for this episode and it was totally worth it 🎉
Great reaction guys and well worth the wait!
I was totally shocked the first time I saw it, never saw it coming !
Boom! I was really looking forward to this. 😂 Great reaction, as always!
21:06 - Haha, you said "Now it's "The Good Place" (in air quotes)" - Notice on Michael's blueprints when he is designing The Good Place it says "The Good Place" (in quotes) A Bold New Plan.
We completely missed it in real time!
I have been WAITING for this episode!! We've all been dying to see your reaction to this! 😆🤣
When I first saw this, when Michael started his evil laugh, I literally shrank back in my seat, I was so shocked! It was hilarious. I love Ted Danson too, so I never saw that coming. I was like, what? No. WHAT?! Nooooo. WHAT????!!! 🤣🤣🤣 My brain was broken. I was like, what the hell is happening here? Which made me laugh, because I thought, "Well, that's appropriate. What the 'hell' is happening? It IS hell!" Lol.
And what's fantastic is, you just never see it coming! There are things that seemed weird to me upon first viewing, but they're so good at distracting you and throwing you off and taking your attention in a different direction that you totally forget what you were pondering. I remember when Vicky said she should go to the Bad Place because Chidi didn't love her, my thought was, "You literally just met him, like, a day or two ago! Give him time to get to know you, girl!" I thought it was weird and a little annoying, but like you I thought, okay, she's overly selfless, so maybe she thinks he should feel that way about her immediately or she doesn't belong there with him. But they immediately distract you with other things, so you dismiss it in your head and move on. But when you rewatch the first season, you start to see all the little weird things that were right in front of your face. And it's BRILLIANT.
Also, when I first saw this, I loved it, but I thought, "Oh no, they're just going to start all over again? From the beginning? Like it never happened?" Silly me. Yes, they are, but... count on the writers to continue to take you in places you don't see coming. Trust that you will not figure it out. And the twists will keep coming, in different ways. We're not going to spoil it for you -- you'll just have to trust in the writers and wait and see where it goes next! 😄 ENJOY!!
Holy motherforking shirtballs is this show good.
You guys are so lucky that you don’t have to wait for season 2 like those of us who watched this when it originally aired did.
8:30 OMG YOUR FACES!!!!
Watch the cast reaction to the twist!
I feel like once you’ve seen the episode, you just want everyone else who watches it to have that same experience, so would never want to spoil it.
Every time you guys made a prediction, i just chuckled and thought, "Don't even try".
Too bad you didn't watch or release this on Monday.
That would have been perfect.
I have been eagerly waiting for this one since you guys started the show, and you did not disappoint.
Don't mind me, I just came back to rewatch this reaction because it's so good.
There really so many hints and clues. As you noted, Chidi didnt seem to have done anything positive enough to earn points, but its possible that teaching people how to be good could have got points. Many of the people were too good to be true - Real Eleanor most notably, some of the situations were clearly for comedic effect - the couple who came to stay being a marriage councillor and an expert on false identities, many others
I promise, we definitely weren't laughing at you. We were just so excited and couldn't WAIT for you to get to this episode so you could fully join the club! Let me officially say: "Welcome. Everything is fine!" 🤣😉
I keep mentioning this when discussing the show, but to me it is just insane how well they hid all their foreshadowing of this twist across season 1. So many moments with Ted Danson where he does something nasty, or evil, or weird, and viewers (like me) do not catch on since it comes across as done for sitcom-typical humour. And another point on how stellar the writing is - in my opinion not even the best moment in the show, as amazing as it is.
As another note, I love that you two keep talking about the show constantly changing. Spot on, and very well put. And the writers aren't remotely done.
For the record - a friend sais she figured it out a minute or two before the reveal, and I believe her. Me? I figured it out when Eleanore says that they will never call a train to the Bad Place, or seconds before the reveal ends. ;-)
It's well worth listening to the good place podcast now, it would have spoiled it if you started listening before as they go into the twist on the 1st episode but after season 1 each podcast episode is based on a TGP episode so no spoilers. Marc Evan Jackson who plays Shawn hosts the show...
It's my favorite TV show-based podcast. They really delve into the philosophical concepts that are featured in each episode.
Now the show gets going! You're in for a crazy ride!
I don’t often rewatch a reaction I’ve already seen on Patreon, but I’ve been eagerly awaiting this upload so I can rewatch it!
i’ve been waiting for this reaction because of your extensive discussions about the characters, and i found the shock on your faces so delightful i was cackling like michael! ride’s not over yet, hope you enjoy the rest of the show :)
13:51 Lol, this kinda reminds me of another reactor I watch who tells her viewers to leave fake spoilers in the comments, that way if anyone ever leaves real spoilers she won’t know the difference.
So glad you weren't spoiled and were happily fooled. I didn't see the twist and loved it. Haven't seen a better one on TV, up there for me with "I am your father". And rest assured, the show continues to move fast and will continue to surprise. IMO, season two is even better than season one. Looking forward to your reactions to season two.😀
Now you guys REALLY have to think back on certain things. Like.... did you notice before now that (until this episode) we NEVER saw Michael outside the presence of one of the four humans. EVER.
If you thought this episode was crazy? Strap in. The next few will make your heads spin.
Oh. There actually ARE plenty of hints. But the show's magic is that it makes people dismiss them. I guessed this might be the bad place from Episode 2. But completely dismissed the idea, and even forgot about it, by episode 13. Now, at your leisure, off camera, rewatch the season. You'll pick up on SO many extra things.
Also... not a spoiler. But be aware that even the smallest detail, a single line of dialogue, a prop, anything... may show up again in a bigger way elsewhere in the show. Don't obsess over it, but if you think something familiar is said, appears, or happens... its probably because some other iteration DID.
Finally... and this is a biggie... We can now recommend that you look up the play "No Exit" by Jean-Paul Sartre. Mentioning it before this would have been a sin. But even if you don't watch the play (there's a movie version) just read the Wikipedia entry. You'll see some familiar concepts mentioned. "Hell is other people" is the famous phrase from the play. Think about that phrase in relation to what you just saw in The Good Place Season 1.
I am familiar with the "Hell is other people" line from Sartre (though not familiar with the play besides that). What a fantastic use of philosophy.
You’re welcome. 😊
You are the best
Classic CZcams moment when both of you were gob-smacked at Eleanor saying this is the bad place and Michael agrees 😂
Never saw that coming for one second.
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So glad you are enjoying this show it's one of the best comedy shows to come out for a long time, really think you are going to enjoy the rest of the series, can't wait for your next reaction, take care, all the best.
i can imagine how this must have screwed with you...that all of us kept quiet. The build up to this was awesome... but i do have to tell you how it blew my mind when i saw this episode. I was watching it with a friend but i knew he never watched it live (he had something the night it was on weekly) so ihad to wait until the next day to talk about it with anyone....OMG it was so hard no to call him
Finally here! Great reaction!
I definitely didn't figure it out, but I do remember one moment that made me go "well, I hope that wouldnt' happen in MY Good Place!" -- when Michael threw out Chidi's book -- as someone who has written a thesis, that hurt me in my soul -- telling him all that work was worthless was truly cruel, lol
Omg love your reaction to this 🥳✨✨
This wont be the last time the show completely flips the script on you. This show excels at being unpredictable. You are in for a hell of a ride!
Great show. Best show I've seen in years.
Want the only thing I've seen since that matches it?
The Anime "Frieren: Beyond Journey's End"
It might be completely different from everything else you're reacting to, but trust me.
It's really that good.
Love your reaction 😁😅😂
I can only think of one other show with a twist this big - the Season 3 finale of Lost. Otherwise I'd have to go back to the series finale of Newhart. Side note: A friend of mine inadvertently told me The Good Place twist when I was in the middle of binging it a couple of years ago, when I was on like episode 10. I was... not happy.
Talking about the movie we were about to see, my mom told me what she had heard about it, including the twist. It was The Sixth Sense.
Oh man! That sucks. I'm so sorry -- I've had people spoil film twists for me before, and it's no fun. Especially when it's a twist as good as this one is.