Savage intercept on the flyers! I still think the flyers rules need looking at, for the points cost they just don’t last. Hard to balance though I know. Great game guys 👍🏻
Cheers mate: I actually got the intercept wrong (concentrating on WE rules and forgot the base ones) cos it was over s6 for the intercept BUT 100% agree with your point! They just fall out of the sky now
just as as watch and because this is how I learn games: turn 1 EC Kakophoni guns have shell shock (1) so pining test was +1 -1 WE Turn 2 vets are 2 wounds EC Turn 3 thunderbolt auto cannons have rending 6+ was worth the chance for a glance that's all I saw so very well done good game
Love the bat reps they're awesome. One comment I don't think Dreadnoughts can use the hold the line reaction because they're fearless. FAQ on HtL says if you fail the moral check you fall and if the charge roll is sufficient to reach the falling back unit they don't get a chance to regroup (page 4 AoD FAQ). Thanks again for these awesome reports.
Ye 100% got that one wrong; so worried about not forgetting WE stuff I got basic rules wrong (this and 2w on vets it seems!) Hope you could enjoy the game anyway!
Listen I know how you feel and it’ll be a cunt of a build job but throw the thing together it’s a fun project that and if they don’t roll 6s into 6s you’re good
@@newtpondskipper my most recent game I played against an iron hands player and boy let me tell you I deep struck the thing he tried to intercept missed and then I proceeded to blow up 4 of his tanks however yeah the second I entered hover mode he hit me with a single grav gun and like immediately fell out of the sky
Hi Henry just a note about the advanced air combat interdiction (sorry forgot the name of the reaction off top of my head) that you mention in the army lists. Now I haven't finished the video but this is worth bringing up. Unfortunately due to weird 2.0 rules, when the xiphon or talon of the legion aircraft comes in, it's unable to Skyfire. Skyfire is declared at the start of the turn. The plane is off the table at the start, so it's unable to declare. It means when you react and bring in your counter flier, it'll be shooting at the opponent plane on 6s to hit. So yeah it's actually not very WAAC as you predicted because of this commonly overlooked rules interaction. Do look up Skyfire (sorry couldn't provide rules pg atm) and you'll see. There's one for you to ponder.take care and thanks for the batrep and to you too max thanks.
Skyfire is declared in the shooting phase not the start of your turn I think you’re thinking of Helical Targeting Array :-) pg218 zooming and shooting.
@@Road.To.Reikland thanks so much for the correction. However what I'm trying to get at is the problem with this reaction. When the plane arrives, it's during the enemy movement phase so the combat counter plane of your own has no access to Skyfire. That's what I'm trying to say, albeit not well; but yeah I remember there being a reason for why it just doesn't actually be as strong as initially read due to Skyfire restrictions
World Eaters using the Berserker Assault Rite of War must charge units within 12 inches and line of sight. this charge cannot initiate a multiple combat. Its a major downside to this rite of war unfortunately.
@@BearfootMiniatures You also cannot have more than one unit in melee with another unit, so you can't have two units charge the same unit. (I'm only 75% sure on this)
@@BearfootMiniatures Yeah i understand, a honest mistake and all of that, but still it was quite brutal to watch you intercept his flyers that had most of his firepower...
think you forgot that veterans have 2 wounds during that intercept when they came on along with vehicles reacting with battle weapons that shouldn't have been allowed to
Ye this: seemingly I was so worried about not forgetting the WE rules I ended up forgetting base game rules like a fool… hope you could enjoy the game anyway!
@@BearfootMiniatures all good max, love the stuff you produce anyway. I do wonder how it would have gone if those fliers hadn't been taken out on arrival.
Brilliant battle as usual, great stuff lads. I'm building a world eaters force atm. How do you rate the ravening madmen rule? I thought it was a bit weak but it seemed to serve you well here.
I’m not actually a fan of the actual rule: if they’re joining butchers it’s worth it; but as a rule on its own I think it’s got too many drawbacks, the counting weapons kill as 3 is such a drawback while the -1 to the to wound is nice it not effecting Instant death isn’t great In looking over the rule I couldn’t actually have put the characters with in the despoiler squads as the squads didn’t have ravening madmen If you could join other squads I’d say it’s worth it but it’s too restrictive and not a massive benefit
real quick on challenges. if you decline a challenge is there any penalty? is it really just i challenge and if you accept the models 1v1 and if they refuse just continue fight phase as normal?
If you decline the issuer of the challenge gets to pick one of your characters who doesnt get to fight that round (but ill go check, made me think about it now haha, if i dont get back its that!)
@@BearfootMiniatures That´s how it goes, I yet have to see a game where not a single mistake was made. 🙂 This was a bit harsh though, for the poor Emperor´s Children. I really like your batreps, though! A tip: Get a third person along when filming your reports, who knows the rules as well. Can also make photos, which are always good to have when running a youtube-channel. Cheers! C.
hey mate! So I could fit the tank in-between the tank traps and terraced houses there so could pass between the difficult (house) and impassible (tank traps) bits of terrain I did go over the bases but you don't actually have to use the base as the extent of the cover/difficult terrain according to the terrain rules (and ive put big stupid bases on my terrain cos I though it looked better
Battle reports are getting better and better guys. keep up the good work.
Cheers mate! Glad your enjoying them!
World Eaters Bearfoot batrep... There goes productivity...
glad to hear it! Will be ruining your outputs over the next few months I think haha
lol poor henry i know the feeling. The dead on deep striking happens to me all the time too lol
I get this mate, my Steagle hasnt seen action for a while now due to stuff like this happening
Savage intercept on the flyers! I still think the flyers rules need looking at, for the points cost they just don’t last. Hard to balance though I know. Great game guys 👍🏻
Cheers mate: I actually got the intercept wrong (concentrating on WE rules and forgot the base ones) cos it was over s6 for the intercept BUT 100% agree with your point! They just fall out of the sky now
just as as watch and because this is how I learn games:
turn 1 EC Kakophoni guns have shell shock (1) so pining test was +1 -1
WE Turn 2 vets are 2 wounds
EC Turn 3 thunderbolt auto cannons have rending 6+ was worth the chance for a glance
that's all I saw so very well done good game
I’ll send a screenshot to Henry! But ye some silly mistakes across the game (new army for me and fliers for Henry)
Hope you enjoyed it anyway!
Love the bat reps they're awesome. One comment I don't think Dreadnoughts can use the hold the line reaction because they're fearless. FAQ on HtL says if you fail the moral check you fall and if the charge roll is sufficient to reach the falling back unit they don't get a chance to regroup (page 4 AoD FAQ). Thanks again for these awesome reports.
Fearless units can use Hold the Line, they just auto pass the morale check making it far less of a risk
Cheers for watching mate!
Jurassic Park jumper, one of several. Excellent!
Savage Interceptor and Return Fire play by the WE. swatted those flyers out of the sky.
I think you can only intercept with defensive weapons on a vehicle…so a whoops there
Ye 100% got that one wrong; so worried about not forgetting WE stuff I got basic rules wrong (this and 2w on vets it seems!)
Hope you could enjoy the game anyway!
I have a FIre Raptor in my closet unbuilt, was planning to use for my EC. But this yet furthers my resolve to never bother lol
Listen I know how you feel and it’ll be a cunt of a build job but throw the thing together it’s a fun project that and if they don’t roll 6s into 6s you’re good
Sadly it went from amazing to very, very high risk.
@@newtpondskipper my most recent game I played against an iron hands player and boy let me tell you I deep struck the thing he tried to intercept missed and then I proceeded to blow up 4 of his tanks however yeah the second I entered hover mode he hit me with a single grav gun and like immediately fell out of the sky
Agreed, fraptors and all fliers definitely need a boost IMO
cheers for another Horus Heresy battle report!
Thanks for watching!
Fun game, fun jumper. 10/10 batrep.
Cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Henry just a note about the advanced air combat interdiction (sorry forgot the name of the reaction off top of my head) that you mention in the army lists. Now I haven't finished the video but this is worth bringing up.
Unfortunately due to weird 2.0 rules, when the xiphon or talon of the legion aircraft comes in, it's unable to Skyfire. Skyfire is declared at the start of the turn. The plane is off the table at the start, so it's unable to declare. It means when you react and bring in your counter flier, it'll be shooting at the opponent plane on 6s to hit.
So yeah it's actually not very WAAC as you predicted because of this commonly overlooked rules interaction.
Do look up Skyfire (sorry couldn't provide rules pg atm) and you'll see.
There's one for you to ponder.take care and thanks for the batrep and to you too max thanks.
Skyfire is declared in the shooting phase not the start of your turn I think you’re thinking of Helical Targeting Array :-) pg218 zooming and shooting.
@@Road.To.Reikland thanks so much for the correction. However what I'm trying to get at is the problem with this reaction.
When the plane arrives, it's during the enemy movement phase so the combat counter plane of your own has no access to Skyfire.
That's what I'm trying to say, albeit not well; but yeah I remember there being a reason for why it just doesn't actually be as strong as initially read due to Skyfire restrictions
Ahh ye I’ll let Henry know: such a shame! Hope you enjoyed the game!
@@BearfootMiniatures love it thanks. Yeah it's rules within rules , but keep up the great work
Very nice sweater. Army looks good to.
I love Istvaan III matchups!
I’ll try and get more arranged mate as I’ve been lent 2 isstvan 3 armies (so everyone doesn’t get sick of my IW haha)
World Eaters using the Berserker Assault Rite of War must charge units within 12 inches and line of sight. this charge cannot initiate a multiple combat. Its a major downside to this rite of war unfortunately.
Oh no way! You can’t add in a multi charge target!! That’s crazy!
@@BearfootMiniatures You also cannot have more than one unit in melee with another unit, so you can't have two units charge the same unit. (I'm only 75% sure on this)
@@jy8081 do you mean for world eaters specifically or the rules in general?!
@@BearfootMiniatures bezerker assault rite of war specific
Vehicles can intercept only with defensive weapons.
Was so worried about getting the WE rules right I ended up getting basic rules wrong....
@@BearfootMiniatures Yeah i understand, a honest mistake and all of that, but still it was quite brutal to watch you intercept his flyers that had most of his firepower...
think you forgot that veterans have 2 wounds during that intercept when they came on along with vehicles reacting with battle weapons that shouldn't have been allowed to
I seem to have forgot all the basic rules in this one and not the WE specific that much (he says speaking far too soon!)
How come you can intercept with las cannons? I thought vehicles can only react with defensive weapons?
Yep
Ye this: seemingly I was so worried about not forgetting the WE rules I ended up forgetting base game rules like a fool… hope you could enjoy the game anyway!
@@BearfootMiniatures all good max, love the stuff you produce anyway.
I do wonder how it would have gone if those fliers hadn't been taken out on arrival.
@@crwarren Cheers mate! Hopefully ill be able to get Henry back on ASAP so we (Kharn) can rectify some wrongs!
Good one! And nice to not see the IW do what IW always do for a change,
Haha is that stay in their protective carry cases?
Feeling H's pain with those dead flyers...
100% mate, fliers need a boost!
Brilliant battle as usual, great stuff lads. I'm building a world eaters force atm. How do you rate the ravening madmen rule? I thought it was a bit weak but it seemed to serve you well here.
I’m not actually a fan of the actual rule: if they’re joining butchers it’s worth it; but as a rule on its own I think it’s got too many drawbacks, the counting weapons kill as 3 is such a drawback while the -1 to the to wound is nice it not effecting Instant death isn’t great
In looking over the rule I couldn’t actually have put the characters with in the despoiler squads as the squads didn’t have ravening madmen
If you could join other squads I’d say it’s worth it but it’s too restrictive and not a massive benefit
It's fucking awful
Isn't Kharn from the 64th Assault Company?
lexicanum seems to think the 8th, could be conflicting sources out there though?!
real quick on challenges. if you decline a challenge is there any penalty? is it really just i challenge and if you accept the models 1v1 and if they refuse just continue fight phase as normal?
If you decline the issuer of the challenge gets to pick one of your characters who doesnt get to fight that round (but ill go check, made me think about it now haha, if i dont get back its that!)
Spartan can only use defensive weapons for reaction fire!
Aaargh! That’s not even excusable based on it being WE that’s just basic! Thanks for pointing it out!
@@BearfootMiniatures That´s how it goes, I yet have to see a game where not a single mistake was made. 🙂 This was a bit harsh though, for the poor Emperor´s Children. I really like your batreps, though! A tip: Get a third person along when filming your reports, who knows the rules as well. Can also make photos, which are always good to have when running a youtube-channel. Cheers! C.
Kakophonie give -1 leadership for pinning checks
You also get an armour save when the vehicle explodes, each model takes a strength 8 hit at no ap
Hey mate! For a wrecked zooming flyer it’s resolved at ap2! Brutal really!
Heresy!
In what world can a spartan intercept? so many rules mistakes......berserker assault can't multi charge!
Ye mate was worried about getting the WE rules right completely messed up the intercepting
why dont you take dangerous terrain tests for your tanks..?
He did when applicable.
@@Warpwaffel 14:46 - 14:50
hey mate!
So I could fit the tank in-between the tank traps and terraced houses there so could pass between the difficult (house) and impassible (tank traps) bits of terrain
I did go over the bases but you don't actually have to use the base as the extent of the cover/difficult terrain according to the terrain rules (and ive put big stupid bases on my terrain cos I though it looked better
@@BearfootMiniatures Fair enough. and it does look better :)