The truth about army painter Speed Paints
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We did deep dive testing all the army painter speed paints and compared them to the Citadel Contrasts and other paints to see if they are as good at helping you paint faster as the advertising say.
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Get these my 7 year old loves them and flew though them in days
Agreed! My girls (5 & 6) L O V E these books and Aaron Renyolds in general! Next up is to get the figures and get them painting! Thanks Squidmar for the rec!
This is an interesting perspective
I do think these paints will benefit beginners and true to their name, speed jobs that a little more basic.
I think you guys are so high level that the benefits don't shine through quite as much and integrating them into your tool box might be harder.
I think you nailed it at the end: this was designed from the ground up. Itâs not Contrast, or Quickshade, or anything else. Speedpaint is Speedpaint. But we are honored to have you review the set! Squidmar, think your followers would like a giveaway? You say the word ;)
I think they would!
I don't know if the other followers would, but I'd love to get my hands on a set to run through some tests! I can bring them over to my hobby painting team and let them run a muck and record the results!
I would love to get my hands on an early copy! I work at my local game store and I've been eagerly talking to my coworkers about Speedpaint, it would be great to actually try them out to help our customers out at release!
Yes please
What we would really like is an answer as to why so many of the colors look identical while having different names. Was there an issue on the bottling end or what? I was going to by the big set, but right now it looks like I'd just be wasting money.
"We tried to use it like X, but it's not X". Very insightful. Definitely worth an 8min video.
Lucas is a really talented artist. That orc looks incredible and it seems it didnât take him long at all
That Orc turned out niceeeeeeee. Agree with you on the bloody red, that's a definite keeper! :-)
You turned out niiiice đđ
Can we get another colab with you two? I suggest a large model painted in grim dark!
this is the most critical and honest review ive seen for the speedpaints. thank you guys for your blunt honesty. im super excited about snagging myself the big box in march. hoping they do some last minute fixes on some of the issues you guys talked about. but even still, im getting these because $4 a bottle vs $8 contrast pots is worth it. even if a few of the colors leave something to be desired. spilled a pot of black templar contrast the day after i bought it. there is a special place in hell for whoever designed those damn things.
I def see a bright future for this box, maybe not all paints but i'm very much looking forward to even more paint variants :)
not gonna lie going straight into the video with "sponsored by fart quest" was so funny I almost died from choking on my water
Unless you're an unapologetic paint snob they look just fine for getting paint on minis and minis on the table.
Thats true of all paint and helps no one
"Orc" is Gouge: Demon Brute Hunter Hero, His skin has several veins in it, to be painted to really make his muscles pop.
the "tongue demon" is Gluttony: Lord of the Demon Side of Limbo: Eternal War, Pledge Manager will open soon so you can grab a copy. check KS for links.
You guys have taken IKEA paints and managed to make things look amazing...so not surprised that the Speed Paints and you guys still turned out amazing work.
Putting them in the hands of a begginer would be a good test. Someone already painting at competition level will likely get good results regardless.
I like army painter paints and Iâll die on this hill
First brand I ever got before watching any tutorials or knowing about this whole community, still none of the others i tried came even close tbh.
Like you said just another tool! Donât need a whole line of them just need probably the bigger ones like the black/ grey. Good to see there is a variety of opinions on these!
Absolutely, a few ones to start is good so find your usage for them!
Really looking forward to these, exactly what I'm after as someone who just wants a decent effect quickly and easily to get them on the tabletop
They'll be killer for you!
You are painting Limbo Eternal War. Great Iâve waited for this so long xD
Definitely picking up the mega set. I have backlog of couple of hundred board game miniatures that need to be painted and the results look quite satisfactory.
Thank you for this.
It seems like their primary usage is as more of a high contrast wash effect. So maybe more as a basecoat over zenithal shading, then pick out details and highlights later.
I am excited to try it out, seems like it will be really good for quick batches for rank and file.
I'm glad it's not a repeat of another product, it stands on it's own, and I cant wait to try them.
From other reviews, some AP speed paints work better than GW contrast paints, and vice versa. It'd be great to utilize the best of both ranges to produce the best results. You guys should do a paint vid experimenting with both to demonstrate them separately and then together in a combination that allows both paint lines to shine
This.
@@TheArmyPainter Hey AP! Wow haha. Cant wait to get my hands on this set when I have the chance, quality stuff you got here
It's fun seeing all the mini painting community try these out right now. Hopefully I can get a set soon also.
A nice honest review with the good and bad points. I like this!
A nicely balanced review of what looks to be a great tool in the painter's toolbox. It's easy to get tribal over sticking to a paint brand or hating on a company. GW contrast paints does the basics really well imho but top artists such as yourself really unlock the extra potential by experimenting. Thanks for the vid.
Opening with "Sponsored by Fart Quest" I was not expecting that.
Finally some proper testing and criticism!
Your review is greatly appreciated.
I just paint to get them on the table, so I'm sure speed paints will help me save time. Thank you so Your painting skillz are fantastic.
The skin color looks to have the same issue as I had with Guilliman Flesh when zenithal highlighting black with the Titanium White Liquitex Ink - it just looks like it slides off and stains instead of painting color on. Then I realized the finish on Liquitex was reaaaaaally smooth. When I switched to ProAcryl Bold Titanium White, the finish was a bit more chalky and the paint had a lot more chance to "take". I'd love to see how the Speedpaints look on slightly more matte / chalkier white underpaint.
They're supposed to be painted onto a matt white udercoat, the white on the corpse in the video looks smooth
Man I love when guys add the stuff they use in the videos, in the description, much thanks.
Army Painter should be thanksful for this video... Its the first time Ive seen these colors used with an impressive result, great job!
We are!
Dana Howl's airbrush results were nice as well
Lukas is amazing as always. Definitely picking up some of those vibrant colors. Loved the Orc and whatever the second thing was that he painted. That turquoise is gorgeous. Really liked the yellow on the elves too.
I think you've grown accustomed to what Contrast has become and not what they were supposed to be. GW originally marketed them as a one coat paint for speed painting and that's not been my personal experience with them or what I've in seen in general by mini painting CZcamsrs, not to mention how some Contrast colors have a much different consistency and are almost like a thin gel instead of acrylic paint. Based on what I've seen of the Speed Paint by various people on CZcams, they seem to be much closer to a true one coat paint, settling in recesses and pooling from high points better to get brighter highlights and darker shades than Contrast.
Nice review on the paints and great job on those Limbo Miniatures figuresđ
Haha its funny when they say "If you can do this better then we do" and then they are like the best of the best.. Love your work Squidmar and Lucas!
What people actually want is a cheaper alternative to Contrast. If those paints are not that, then itâs like the Instant Paints: expensive washes that are sold by pretending they are something they are not.
I like the Minis from Limbo Eternal War :-) That looks great !
To be fair I think you guys could paint anything incredibly with just orange juice probably
The videos are so great. Atmosphere, personalitys, seems good amount of honesty and advertising. Keep it going :)
Ork is awesome! No one reviewer showed us that speedpaints are mixable, except you, guys!
If someone can't safely assume that these kinds of paints are mixable then they might be in the wrong hobby đ€·ââïž
Until now most of the reviews been synthetic tests. Nice to see some real painting, thatâs what matters.
It was difficult to control because of its LOW viscosity, not its high viscosity as you said at the end.
So what I took from this is clearly the artist makes infinitely more difference to the outcome than slight variation in paints. Paints won't make me Squidmar, cause Squidmar gonna Squidmar.
Spot on, the right techniques combined with practice lead to good results.
Thanks for the review, Iâve been planing to pick these up, and since I tend to thin down my contrast to use it as a glaze+recess shade this might be ideal.
0:20 as an American, that quote gave me goosebumps.
I think that's crazy cause I just got mine and my skin color absolutely killed it and my browns looked very different. I did use brush and I agree with the thoughts on red and the fact the flow more like a wash.
Really like the approach you did on these with your method and how honest you are. The models look badass even if it's not for the way you paint guys, amazing!
the approach is quite useless... If you use paper to check viscosity, why speaking about the color gradient???
@@Manlio.Cipullo I dont know if I understand your point, I may check again the video for context. By approach I meant that they try the paint the same way they would do with contrast in their painting method to know if it works or not. It seems to work better than contrast with regular brush and worse with airbrush, I think it's great to know
@@christiansebine7316 I was speaking about the comments on the color gradient and the fact that they stated those looked the same as others from Army Painter lineup... When in that case you must check viscosity and consistency on the paper... Also this kind of product is quite useless in the airbrush, more so if you add airbrush tinner or other paint...
@@Manlio.Cipullo I see your point now mate! In the case of the flat surfaces as they say you can have a loot of disgusting pooling and you avoid with the airbrush, it may be better if you just use well pigmented inks instead but it looks cool though
I think you meant low viscosity. Viscosity is resistance in a liquid. So high viscosity is like slow flowing lava
Thank you for painting those Limbo Eternal Wars minis, looks great. I am waiting to see more paintjob on those minis.
The Pledge Manager of their last kickstarter should open very soon.
Glad to see that someone else recognized the Limbo figures! Gluttony came out the best from above (though that flesh toneâŠyeahâŠ).
they need to sell those as stl!
@@BrianKelly_LettheGamesBegin I am eagerly waiting for my Oblivion pledge to arrive this year (hopefully). These minis really look awesome (and I most definitely wonÂŽt go for an orcish style for the demon Gouge)
Squidmar, your and Lucas' passion and enthusiasm for colour is inspiring. Thank you for another excellent video.
The orc looks incredible Lucas did a fantastic job!
For all the videos I have watch I enjoy that criticism more in this video. I think at the end of the day it more arrows for our quiver and there will be some stand outs paint and some disappointing ones just like with contrasts paints.
Exactly
Videos like this one inspired me to get a starter kit of Speedpaint and begin my painting journey. I created this channel to share my experience with everyone. Hope you enjoy it! đ
Thanks for the review. I use contrast paints mostly for browns to cover areas I painted other colors, and their incredible coverage has always been what I like most
I use these to batch paint. It's quick and (if you're not using peachy flesh) you can actually achieve impressive results.
I can't wait to get these paints. I think a big problem with any artist is when they find something they. Love they find it hard to let go and always compare things back to their love. I wonder if you would get on better if you 1. Gave it more time and testing, you love contrast as you are used to that medium and can work around its flaws , and 2. Go into testing and using the speed paints as a new fun thing where you just play and experiment and not compare and try and get it to do what other paints may or may not do. It's a hard thing to do as we humans love to compare things.
I look forward to trying it out.
one thing i love about speed paint bottles i would honestly pay more for is for all my dropper bottles to come standard with a small mixing stone inside to make shaking it the most time effecient and effective method
I've been wanting to paint a Thousand sons army for the longest time, it looks like the blue from this range would be perfect for it, time to save the video and make a mental note
I like how Contrast paint got pretty much pooped on by all of CZcams when it launched. And then people started to experiment and get great results.
I bought ny first a few weeks back and use the uh... "Wychwood bark"? with a regular brush on leather details. And it workd great.
It dries with ready edge highlights.
I mean ofc you can work more in it. But its covers well and looks pretty decent after just one layer, so then you can do a bit more work and BAM.
Or when Scale75 said that Instant isn't the same as Contrast, watch the video, and then it was released and everyone said âyou tricked us, this isn't the same as Contrastâ. 95% of people are just mad as a sandwich sandwich sandwich.
Time for a "Best Palette" Video in witch you put together a full palette of different tones, always picking your favorite from the different ranges
Hi all, the Limbo miniature pledge manager is open on Gamefound, time to order one of the best minis ! (there are 75 mm minis as well for an affordable price for a piece of that size).
I really just cant wait for these to finally be for sale somewhere.
I love using contrast as a shade or base colour. It feels like painting with numbers and I like that aspect of it.
Really enjoying my first work with the.
My friend is hyped for these while Iâm moving to using oil paints.
I got Fart Quest for my daughter and we enjoy reading it together.
I'm looking forward to trying out Speed Paints. For the price I think contrast is going to have a good competitor in them.
I recently filmed a game session and wanted to use miniatures that were all painted. A couple of my featured monster figures had not been painted yet and I didn't have time to do them in acrylic. I tried Speedpaints for the first time and used them in the spirit of the name. SPEED. I blasted through two figures in short order and got them good enough for video with minimal effort.
I still prefer acrylics top to bottom, but these have their place. The samples painted in this video look nice.
So it sounds like the pretty standard Army Painter niche. Like a competing product but mostly lower quality but at a much lower price. There is definitely a market for people looking to save some money though, this hobby isn't exactly budget friendly.
I'm really looking forward to the Army painter speed paints, mainly because of the way lower price tag than Citadel. Right now i could maybe afford 3 contrast paints every month and my hobby budget is all used up. As a low income owner I'm looking forward to army painters speed paints even if Citadel might do it a bit better.
Happy New year to all the Squidmar gang and long life to the mini passion !đâ€
Totally going to start reading Fart Quest with my kids.
Limbo minis!
It feels kinda weird how opposite squidmar and goobertown feel about this. I gotta say also in comparison, this almost felt rushing.. the orc looks fantastic.
The airbrushed models look awesome.
I have never painted anything. I just printed a house and wanted to try it, bought a primer spray can and the speed paint kit.
I understand what you say about viscosity, other than that I have no other reference. So I found this very interesting.
I wouldn't know anything about the contrast paints, but you got me curious.
I haven't searched through your profile, but perhaps you or someone who follow you know if there's a "how to get started" or "tips for beginners" among your videos?
Thanks for the video explainer! I think Iâll pass on these. I know Contrast are expensive but Iâm finding them really useful. Love your Channel.
Excited to try these I have most the modelling kits and tools but not tried the paints.
Great video as always! I plan on picking up a set to try out. The Orc looked great!
I recently picked up the hobby of assembling/painting minis. I wasn't sure where to start so I picked up some speed paints. I'm used to painting with acrylics on all sort of mediums, so I was curious about these. The tones are okay for the most part, but I noticed I have to brush a few layers to really get the depth I want. I mixed standard acrylic paint with the speed speed and was able to get a more viscous paint, more depth, and needing less to cover the area. It worked great!
Hey man, good review but do you have any thoughts on the reactivation issue thats recently came to light? AP are now suggesting people clear seal between coats which doesnt sound speedy...
Reaper and Vallejo beat the snot out of either Citadel or Scale 75. I especially hate the Citadel paints, mostly because their pots suck and generally lead to the paints drying out, and from the US the Scale75 are just stupid expensive. For whatever reason, perhaps better distribution deals, the Vallejo and Reaper are equally priced.
IÂŽd say, "speed paint" isnÂŽt a brand name, but a product line (among others) of army painter colors. So the dedicated name tells what theyÂŽre supposed to be used: speed painting. Not much time+skill needed, just cover the miniature in larger areas or in whole with paint. In result, you get a colored model with a washing effect included, larger smooth areas seem even brighter (not really, just what our brain tells us. A snow field appears to be "more white" than a snow patch). No need for washing or blacklining, even highlighting is optional. To do this job, these speed paints have to be quite thin/fluid with clear tendency to rinse into crevices and have to be transparent to an extent. And they do well out of the box, no need to thin out this or that color different. Just lower the intensity with clear speed paint fluid when needed, the consistence stays the same.
In comparison to GW contrast paints I see dropper bottles with steel balls included for rd about half the price. And I see more consistency in between the different colors when it comes to viscosity and transparence/opaque grade. Here, contrast paints differ quite more. Some are more like speed paints, others are more like opaque and almost "creamy" colors out of the bottle. To like this or that color tone more is more or less just a matter of personal taste.
When used for "regular" painting with lining, highlighting, fades etc., speed paints lack viscosity and would have to be more opaque (or stay on the surfaces in a thicker layer without rinsing into the crevices) to get the job done well. Here some(!) of the contrast colors perform better. Or, from another point of view, speed paints are what contrast paints are supposed to be, with all the assets and limits.
Using an airbrush may change the game, it allows to apply speed paints evenly on the surfaces, their transparency allows nice gradients with volumetric shading effects using just one color tone over a fitting primer. And I feel like they work well with the airbrush without much effort to find the perfect consistence. Using them right out of the bottle may not be perfect in any case, but it works.
As a beginner I was extremely interested in picking up the Citadel Contrast Collection but the price was absolutely insane, so these look like an even better, yet extremely cheaper replacement!
I would suggest to shop around first, you don't need every colour and some are better than others.
I'm probably not the only amateur to have been burned buying full sets and not liking/using half... so I will get that blue tone used on the skin of model 2 and go from there!!
To be fair, i have found the contrast paints not great, despite almost universal praise. Colours are nothing like the description or images on GW website (yellow is brown, grey is blue/black) and some need 3 to 4 coats over white primer or are too weak to even bother with
Great, honest and critical review and stunning minis!! I think these products always favour stronger colours and take some adaptation to use effectively. I hope you will still use them again and share the results
Finding decent reds cheap is so hard I picked the red you mentioned.
Great! A review that actually talks about the product instead of promising whatever got sponsored is going to cure all world ailments at once.
Keep up the honest work!
In fairness, we havenât sponsored anyoneâs review. We welcome criticism and are stoked that Emil liked what he liked. Being army painters, itâs always fun to see what really talented artists do with our products.
@@TheArmyPainter My comment was in no way targeted at your company. Just the general review culture on YT in general :)
@@TheXasTube itâs okay, just want to make that clear. Weâd be open to sponsoring creators and are hoping to support more in the future as they are beacons of the community.
Looking forward to what people do with these new paints. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Strange tau manta video update.
The TAU are known for their cloaking abilities ;)
Contrast paint through airbrush = big brain moves!
I always considered contrast paints to be a "wash with a lot of color." So I'm curious to try the speed paints for myself.
I am waiting for some vallejo paint and I am wondering if mixing the quick paint with the same color in a thicker paint may give you control and a one coat paint all in one....maybe a 50/50 mix of the 2...I will try an see
They seem very much like an addition to your toolset, rather than an adaptation to contrast. I hope to pick up some flesh coloured ones.
It seems a lot of us had the same takeaway. I definitely agree.
Hey Squidmar! I just finished watching the video that you have where you go through all of the mini's that you have in backlog. I would love to see you pick a collection and do another 24 hourr paint challenge to see how many you could get through in 24 hours!
Thx for your opinion.Helps always to have more different view angles.
These are perfect for their intended use: rapidly bashing out minis that look decent on the tabletop and as a means for beginners to get respectable results. Would rather see figures like those wood elf types than the clarted-on acrylic horror shows that were 'popular' when I were a lad :D
I think you should mention that you can't go and paint on top of them without sealing the player with varnish first, because the SpeedPaints reactivate with water (including the water in the acrylic you're trying to paint on top with). It makes them a massive paint in the arse to use with a paintbrush.
Also you probably want to keep your painted minis away from any water or drink spills.
I guess using speed/contrast paint through an airbrush makes sense, but you could just as easily use airbrush specific paints and get the same result, right?
Definitely getting book for my son
Dana Howl's brush painting tests seem to look slightly better than contrast.
Another non mini line are Ammo Shaders that are designed for airbrush use.
I wasn't too impressed with the brush results, but then again, I wasn't really impressed with contrasts brush results either when I first saw that. I think Speed Paint is closer to what Contrast was supposed to be though, a one coat paint that both highlights and shades over white/grey primer. Contrast fell short of that for me, so for beginners or people that don't enjoy the painting side of the hobby as much I can see Speed Paint being quite invaluable. For myself, I think i'll be passing on this, outside of a couple of colours that stick out as better than the rest.
I'm thinking these will be great for us in the board game hobby. Will be a quick way to improve the generic tabletop minis we get in the box. Curious how these will work over the plain plastic, since some are already colored, guess you could just do a quick varnish on it then use these.
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As I wrote, "in my opinion" :) Of course, each style has its own preferences :) Now I am going to the old school of painting with oil paints, it is not "speed painting" anymore, but I am internally glad at the thought.
Thank you for the review. It was interesting to see your opinion on it.