The truth about the NEW Contrast paints
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Games workshop just released their new and exciting contrast paints, to complement the already existing citadel line. Is it perfect to paint warhammer and dungeons and dragons figures or just another marketing ploy?
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Hey dude, you listed some of your go-to paints for some colors. Could you make a video listing what your favourite paints are for each colour? Like if you're painting orange what are your favourite paints for an orange base, highlight options, etc?
Biggest complaint about GW paints = the pots.
GWs solution = more paints of lower volume!
if you spill them you probably lose less ÂŁÂŁÂŁ in paint, 5head
I mean it would be a mess to make the transition to bottles at this point.
First they would have to stop paint production for a year or maybe more, reason being they must sell the bottles that where already made.
Because if they would release bottles today everyone would start buying only those making the pots worthless.
And in that scenario imagine owning a store and having a stock a 1k dollars or more of these pots in store that just became worthless over night.
@@Phoenixillusion18 erm...you do know they've changed pot types multiple times over the years?
@@Phoenixillusion18 Isn't GWs stocking notoriously low? This is why practically every online store has only like 3 of each paint. Secondly you could make this exact argument you are making about pot shape as you can about the new shades. If the new ones are better, why would anyone buy the old ones and how come GW aren't stuck with 1k dollars or more of these old shades?
@@Acorbet86 Yes, but the old ones always took a while to phase out.
And they usually stick to very similiar form factors.
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Whoa these tshirts are fucking sicc. I was noticing different shirts throughout the vid, prob the best way Iâve seen an ad done on youtube in a min. Gotta full cart already with your discount
GW needs to ditch the pots, stop decreasing the volume, and drop the price. Especially when speed paints by AP do the same thing, maybe even better, and they cost $80 for the mega set.
Games workshop: eh I donât really caređ
The pots probably aren't going away quickly. That takes an manufacturing redesign and that's very expensive. If they are indeed being out competed in the paints then it's probably not worth the effort
Honestly, they sell so well why would they. You know?
Pylar Glacier low coverage is kind of intended surely, it's meant for painting snowy/icey miniatures? Or thin it even more for blue'ish cold whites. I love it personally! Perfect for things like Beastclaw Raiders :D
I've noticed multiple other painters complain about it but all the work i've seen done with it look perfect for the intended purpose. It's like they forgot the "glacier" part of the name and are just directly comparing it to the other contrasts. Maybe it'd be reviewed a tad better if it were released as part of the technical line.
It's the one I'm most interested in. Have alot of icy themes to paint soon, with "white" ice dragon, frosthaven minis, wings of angels... Who knows what else
So true. The spider squidmar shows literally looks like it's been hit with an ice spell in a D & D / Gloomhaven / Descent game. Great finish.
Yea 100% it snd Frostheart are what I'm most excited for.
Temheres international variable opacity across the range
The one thing i've found since they released the contrasts is that the really thin almost shade quality paints, are really good for going over metallic base coats. Adds some really nice combination options
Emil! Best video Iâve seen on these thus far. I completely agree when it comes to giving the customer more info. Like, take Pylar Glacier- Iâve heard people say itâs more accurately a Technical paint, as it should only be used on white to achieve an âiceâ effect. But, seeing as thatâs not said anywhere, people just have to guess through trial and error. Itâs especially ridiculous when you consider that, like you said in the beginning, these are usually marketed as newbie-friendly ways to get a lot of work done fastâŠ
I don't agree at all. Beginners don't guess through trial and error until they find what they like. That's what pros do, they try dozens of different paints until they find what they like. Beginners just look at a guide or the back of the box to see what paints they are using and just buys them. If it says Pylar Glacier, they'll buy it and if it doesn't they don't.
So if a pro picks Pylar Glacier and find it bad for their use, that's what they'll do. Tagging them surely could help, but not the beginners, they don't even know or care what matte, single pigment or even coverage mean.
@@mkaali I'd even go so far to say. To me, phylar is obviously an extremely weak colour. Has anyone tried it over a dark colour to see if it does the opposite; brighter recesses?
It is called 'glacier,' and every picture communicates that it is an ice paint.
I hate how GW have changed paints about 4 or 5 times and not always for the better. Contrast is expensive, each colour has different properties so unless you research or experiment with that colour it's difficult to know how it will react
I'm not sure it's gws job to hold your hand while you paint.
Great point on tagging them. Opacity, finish, matte/satin/gloss ... would definitely help!
The funny thing is that normal artist paints have been giving that information for generations, including information of the pigments
7:24 The clues in the name, you use it over white to create ice effects đ
The reason pylad glacier is so translucent is because it is meant to be used to make really good ice detail.
This is cool and all but seems like it should be a technical paint rather than a Contrast paint.
So like really limited in its application.
Problem is, it does not look like ice at all nor does itâs looks icy. It just looks⊠ghostly you will ended up needing to touch up lots of stuff and repaint parts because itâs to thin, makes this useless.
I think both the pale aqua shades that squidmar dismissed are fantastic for icy stuff, and even if there's not many citadel minis that have an ice theme, there's terrain and DnD minis that definitely do dig deep into ice.
Also ots good for making plasma effects
This was such a well-presented and useful video! Thanks for your candid and unequivocal review of these new paints.
I think when contrasts came out they were shown very incorrectly. I could paint a table ready army in half the time with contrasts than I could with normal paints and it will look just as good. Most people try using them as a thick wash all over the model which is just silly. You don't want to glob it on like so many channels showed. Doing slow, even coats of contrast over armor basically finishes it to a table standard in a single coat. Same goes for leather, skin, etc. The only thing contrast truly fails at is tiny details because it's hard to control. But for base coating I find it faster than even airbrush so I hardly use my airbrush anymore. I can base coat a marine the same way in half the time. Which saves a ton when you're painting 30 troops at a time.
Funny thing - after Duncan left GW and started his own channel, he immediately began using Contrast paint in exactly the way you describe with the same results. Clearly, as an experienced painter, he had quickly figured out how the paint was intended to be used. But while at GW he was probably gagged by their marketing team and couldn't make a video demonstrating the correct technique.
One of the key videos he made that shows how powerful contrast is when used correctly was simply painting an Imperial Fist. Step 1: yellow contrast. Step 2: a super easy to do, quick glaze of thinned down yellow paint over the flat areas to make the yellow even purer and remove absolutely any remaining stains from the contrast. The result was something that looked like a flawless, painstaking yellow base but in very little time.
@@bluedotdinosaur I'll have to check it out, haven't seen much of Duncan stuff for a long time but I know he has his own channel now. Maybe the guy I heard it from heard it from Duncan lol.
Sounds like a similar process to what I did with some Black Templars. You can do the contrast paint or even two coats and it'll look alright but if you want a really deep black you can do a coat of Shyish Purple(I think is the name) and then Black Templar contrast over it and it makes the armor look great. In batch painting I found it quicker than doing something like two coats of Abaddon Black or something.
it also fails if you acidently get a darker paint on the contrast, you have to go back to white and re-contrast to fix it, especially lighter colors like -
I love contrasts, but after all those years, my favourite use is still easy metal of any color
the nicest thing about Contrast is that it works really well as a combo of a base and wash that you can paint over. Also, you can move the pigment around while it's wet, which gives you a superb amount of control over it, once you get used to using the given paint.
THANK YOU for stating the labels they should put on the bottles. I will be buying these paints selectively and the information you shared will help me choosing which ones to get.
Appericate your insights and testing. There is a few i want to grab and youâve confirmed which ones iâll start with
FREAKING THANK YOU for being the only person so far to try these new contrast paints with black+white zenithal. Everyone else is showcasing them with the new white primer, which I'm not going to get, so this was super useful!!
Always good to run through a new paint line!
Thanks for giving me your take on putting these new ones through the air brush. I was a hater until I saw you use them in an airbrush and now Swear by it.đ€
I feel that they work more as single coat layer paints. The ammount of shading and highlighting they give when compared to the first line is minimal.
Finally a nice orange... I can't wait to buy.. thanks for this and all your videos
I saw the clickbait thumbnail and ignored this video for a while and just now watched it. Its actually a great video and very helpful, I just would not have known based off thumbnail
What I got from this is there is finally a bright yellow paint that covers well
With a white undercoat
Thanks for the video and running these through the airbrush as well as a paintbrush. I was really curious to see how they did on both.
Thank your for your input Emil!
The variety of colors is one of the strongest attributes citadel has going for them, and some of the ones that don't seem exiting or useful to one painter are a godsend for another, like that glacier one for someone who's painting an army with frost weapons. But i wholeheartedly agree that they need to be less obtuse about what certain specialty paints might be useful for, they are notoriously bad at covering that aspect in their own video material (i suspect their print media might be more helpful, but i don't peruse those) and people usually have to rely on outside sources like hobbyists on YT to figure them out...
Thank you! That was an excellent review! Cheers đ»
Great video and Iâm really glad to have heard your review on them all. Might go grab a few of these but I agree with you, there are a few that I wonât have a use for. Thanks for the video though! đ
Super helpful! I was wondering about the quality of these new paints--now I know!
This is the best review I've seen of the new Contrast paints. I think that's because we get to see it over a zenithal, where everyone else has been showing it over solid white primer, which makes a lot of them just look like a layer of paint. Thank you!
I think that's a flaw with the contrast paints. The entire premise of "contrast" is that they're supposed to give you recess shading, midtone, and highlight in one go. A lot of thee don't.
Ended up ordering 13 of the new paints this morning before the video and my choices largely aligned with Squidmar's, albeit I took a chance on Pylar Glacier as I think it could come in handy doing ice effect weapons or armour.
Most looking forward to being able to put down a single layer of IF yellow without the need of an airbrush or multiple thinned acrylic coats. Could make black and yellow hazard stripes easier too.
Interesting seeing different reviewers' takes on which ones are useful and why.
Awesome video. Very helpful. Keep up the good work.
Nice vid and review Squidmar! Could you please post a pdf or pic of all the colored spiders with the colors labeled please? That would be so helpful to see the colors.
Imperial Fist seems to be universally loved - I'm looking forward to trying it!
So are Ultramarines !
@@richardbradley2335 they were talking about the color.
@@azrielslytherin2604 meh...i stand by what i said ''Go Ultramarines''....
Yellow has always been my "don't go there" colour. So maybe... Just maybe... Imperial Fist can fix this issue for me.
@@NuclearFridge1 That's why ive used emulsion on my figs.
Hey Emil, thanks alot for the great breakdown and review of the new paint range. Do you think that the new 'Kroxigor Scales' is better suited over a coat of 'Stormhost Silver' to paint Alpha Legion instead of the old 'Akhelian Green' or do you think both are equally good? Thanks in advance!
Also, keep up the great work!
Your best video ive seen so far!
And this is why you werent invited to the GW weekend party. Nice honest review mate âĄ
Pylar glacier is made for ice effects and it's perfect for that use
Thanks very much for the roundup! Iâve been looking to pick up a few of these, and Iâm glad to hear that they get your thumbs up!
Now⊠about those ânon-poolingâ shade paints? ;)
Smashing video dude keep the videos up
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That was a very useful review. Thank you, sir!
Oh yes!! Info on the pot would be amazing!! One reason Iâve never gone with these is I have no idea what Iâm getting. With a base paint I know Iâm getting a paint that will cover. When I get a wash I know itâs an ink but the contrast paints đ€·ââïž.
Awesome video mate!!! Thanks!!!
Thanks, I am glad that I can use IF yellow both in airbrush and brush
Hey Squidmar id love it if you had an updated video on how to start out with warhammer minis, like all the basics knives/paints/brushes/cheap minis to practice on ect. as someone who wants to eventually have a full kreig army (i know they cost ALOT) my main problem is having no idea where to start and what i need. if you ever see this know i ADORE this channel
Hey there's 3-4 videos like that both for basing and painting and hobbying. Maybe i should lake a playlist :)
@@SquidmarMiniatures that would be great
@@SquidmarMiniatures oh a playlist would be amazing id love that :D
Garaghak's sewer can also be used as a muck wash, kinda like how we use oil washes. All you gotta do is reduce it in a roughly 1:3 with something like AP speedpaint medium and it becomes a bit more "smearable" and wet looking, so it can leave streaks and splotches for grime.
Yoooo been waiting for this
Pylar glaciar looked great tbh I don't care that it doesn't have a ridiculous high pigmentation it's going to make for really nice ice effects.
Maybe also as like an energy effect on power swords and lightning claws.
Im going to be picking up Pylar Glacier for frost weapons for my space wolves for sure
I found the doomfire magenta to be very bright and pigmented, **IF** you shake the pot a ton before applying. If you don't shake, it comes out darker and more red.
Never heard of the intensity inks from gsw, any other good colors in that lineup?
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You're the only youtuber that pronounce correctly Vallejo
I have several frost giants I need to paint, and I could see Plyar Glacier and Briar Queen Chill being very helpful in that. If you won't use them, you could always send them my way! đ
That striking scorpion screen is likely going to look very well on Necrons. Looking forward to it.
I have to say - I find pylar Glacier one of the most exciting.
E.g. for Gray Knights. The opacity is very low but it brings out that nice blue that I would like on some minis to indicate magic/psyker or something else.
could be cool for power swords too
Thank for the great review. I was looking forward to your opinion on these paints.
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This is the kind of video we need when there are new paint product releases. Thanks Emil for the deep dive into reviewing each new color.
Hey I appreciate the video and tips!
Thanks for this honnest revieuw. I do have a question. Did You use thinner for the contrast? (while using Airbrush)
The phlar glacier might be ok on terrain if you're doing ice and snow
Do you think the glacier one would look good if you were trying to paint frost weapons?
Fantastic video. I really love how you keep a bias toward objectivity (haha) and always harken back to price/usability rather than simply stating how good the paint looks on a model and leaving it there. Keep up the good work!
That glacier paint looks like it could be used for ice or even ice like skin
Gonna hop in with team Pylar Glacier; I think it'll be really nice for getting bright electric powerswords. (Possibly w Proacryl Turquoise)
One of these days I hope you do a give away or a contest for one of those big spider bois cause man! I love the colors you use for them.
I would love to hear your contrast paints that you use for each color! Possible video?
I would love to know what colors were used for the skin and wings of those units at 11:45. The coloring of the wings is so eye catching and the blue skin tone too
I was going to buy kroxigor scales just for the name...so it's good to hear its a good paint!
Where did you get the STL for the spiders? Pretty sweet. Thank you
Pylar glacier looks like it would be a perfect glaze for power swords.. đ€
2:58 if your painting a slanesh army that color is a must
I've been trying your technique of using the airbrush with Contrast paints on a white/zenithal primer. I think there are some subtle tips and hints about how you apply the airbrushed base coat and how you apply the contrast paints that you didn't really touch on in your contrast paints video about this technique. It would be great to see a full tutorial on a miniature aobut how/why you apply the paints. (directions, intensity, shadow, etc.)
Seconded for this, I'm curious about the best way to use contrast in an airbrush, does he thin them down? What airbrush settings does he use? Getting the answers to those sort of questions would be amazing. :)
I agree!
I concur! When using the airbrush, it seemed to spill over other zones that would receive other contrast paint down the line, and we know contrast doesn't play well above one another. So is there a ton of detail work done with acrylic afterwards? If yes, kind of defeat the beginner purpose as I don't want to buy contrast and acrylic for all my colors.
to be fair to me it seems pylar glacier could be great for getting quick ice effect for weapons etc
Cheers Squid .
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@squidmar at 7:26 That glacier colour - Seems to be good for Mammoth fur after primer then highlight on top to give it a frosty blue under side? Im thinking the Thundertusks or even frost sabres as a starting point :)
ok so this was informative but are you going to do a video on the new shades as well?
In the meantime, do I have a colour scheme for you! We have a St Andrews cross spider that has fluro yellow, orange, Rhinox Hide brown and deep red, plus some dry brushed colours. The best thing is these creatures are the same size as the plastic models you just painted so there is no scaling of colours.
Hey Emil. I had an idea for a video. I'm a new painter who doesn't have access to high quality miniatures yet, but I'm thinking about getting more paints and brushes.
I think it would be cool to make a video about painting lower quality minis with high skill level and high quality materials.
You touch on an important point here, "I don't know what I'd use it for".
Surely this should've been part of Citadel Colour's development process? Asking themselves "What would a painter use this for & is there already something that fulfills that role (even if it needs a bit of medium)?"
Thnx for the honest review
How much do you thin the contrast paints to run it through the air brush ?
i agree, aethermatic blue has pretty limited use. I usually just use it for parts that are made of seethrough plastic. For example the wings of the Wasp (Marvel Crisis Protocol). Not the best solution, but at least it makes it not look like a piece of plastic, without lososing the seethroughness.
The glacier paint I can see using on any future frost wolf weapons I paint when I can't be bothered mixing my own glaze.
For me black legion is going to be great for just knocking out small details that need to be black that I don't want to put too much effort into, things like boots, belts, gun casing, etc. Whilst a thinned down black could be similar there's a much higher chance that I'd need to do a second coat. In my opinion it's a convenient tool for speed painting, especially in highly textured areas, not having the contrast finish helps as it doesn't matter what colour you're using it over, it's definitely something designed for speed painters.
Vallejo black + thinner = same coverage, same density for a fraction of the cost. I doubt you would lose that much time adding some thinner that it would be worth crowning this "speed painter" tool for premium price. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if that's exactly what's in the GW bottle.
@@Navtyr I've used vallejo black and I can tell you the coverage is definitely not the same. At the end of the day it's paying for convenience which I'm happy to do, I rarely use pure blacks brush painting since I'll usually start from a black primer, airbrush the black, or use shades. I've watched and read a fair few reviews of the new contrast line and it seems Squidmar is really underselling black legion, either because of personal bias or to say something negative to appease the GW haters.
I get why you wouldn't see any real use for pylar glacier, but it is absolutely perfect for my Night Lords on glacier bases, its really really low coverage is a huge boon for me. It mixed with gloss varnish over the top is going to look real good
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I would lean more towards Bad Moon Yellow over Imperial Fist. I can make a cool tone warmer fairly easily whereas, I would have a harder time making a warmer tone cooler
Honestly GW should go even farther than Base, and Layer in terms of giving information to the consumer, going full artist paint, show us the pigments and transparency. Hopefully that would influence other paint makers to do the same.
They've made literally hundreds of painting tutorials. How easy do you wnat it? Painting by numbers?
@@jeremiahembs5343 đđđ christ man, you don't expect much do you đđđ just use artists paint if you what all that nonsense info that is completely irrelevant.
@@jeremiahembs5343 you don't need to know any of those things to use the piant though. It's acrylic piant, the colour is visible through the bottle. You act like gw paint is the most expensive paint out there when it really isn't. Good oil paint costs several times what gw acrylics do. Gw paints are mid-priced for hobby paints and even then we're talking a 20 pence difference on a bottle.
@@jeremiahembs5343 I'm not reading that word salad, especially after your brought your politics into it.
@@High_Lord_Of_Terra Tutorials aren't what are useful if you're mixing paints yourself, having more information regarding the product that you're spending your money on is always better for you as the consumer, even if you personally don't really care. I don't see how actually including the info for the people that do care would impact the people who don't.
The airbrush work you've done here is wicked awesome! I'm not impressed enough by the new GW paints to buy them now or maybe even ever, but it's always fun watching you test new stuff and report on it.
Where can I get one of those cool brass lamps you have in the background?
All too many of these are not "Contrast" paints. They don't get darker in the shadows and lighter in the highlights. But then some of the current Contrast paints don't do this either, unless you thin them.
I agree, as He said - they should be labeled single-pigment as they not function the same way contrast paint do.
Did you try the black with the airbrush? I'm asking becouse I saw a miniature from Ninjon done with that and it looked like a black with highlights already done, it looked impressive
Pylar Glacier's going to be PERFECT for me. It's exactly what I needed for my Space Marine chapter as they've developed an icy blue skin (They're inspired by frost giants form norse myth)
That sounds neat.
Sounds like a chapter that would not be allowed to exist.
@@lnSorteDiaboli Ehh.. Just like the Sons of the Phoenix.
@@thelastcrusader7032 Not familiar with them. Are they also rocking icy skin?
@@lnSorteDiaboli Nah. But they're sporting the color scheme of the Emperors Children and look suspiciously like Fulgrim.
Where did you get the spider model, I've made my own contrast paints and would love to test them on that model?
The impression I got with this new line is that nearly all paints sibling paints that make sense to use together.
what did you use to prime them?
Mooooaaar contrast!
I guess it's time to go buy some more paints đ