Optimized! My Favorite Speedpaint Technique.
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2022
- One quick & thick coat of color actually looks pretty dang good if we spend a bit of time on the undercoat! In this video I do some "hobby science" to find my default settings for the "grisaille" / "slapchop" technique.
The test mini was sculpted by Loot! Get him as a free STL file and check out the rest of the Journey to Nidavellir collection:
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Another video with this basic painting technique:
• Realistic Speedpaint! ...
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In this vid a brief clip of me watching other undercoating videos is shown- here they are from Dana Howl and Miniac! :-)
• SLAPCHOP or ZENITHAL? ... slapchop vs. zenithal from Dana
• Ultimate Zenithal Unde... zenithal vid from Miniac
The test mini was sculpted by Loot! Get him as a free STL file and check out the rest of the Journey to Nidavellir collection:
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if thats the high thane who is the Jarl?
OK! I have yet to see this said!!! The model looks like YOU!!!! SO AWESOME
you might try a dark blue base, and light yellow highlights for a warm lighting effect?
@@hawthornhobbit I was thinking the same. :D He looks just like Brent.
@@hawthornhobbit it's that smile, lol. @2:55 Cat destroying his butthole...he doesn't flinch.
Brent is the only person in the mini hobby who can say "You'll see... You'll ALL see!" without it sounding inherently ominous.
YEAH
I find it perplexing it doesn't sound evil when he says it...
@@cark1983 in time we find out!
While I don't know Brent in person, I have known several PHDs. I'm pretty sure that it's a requirement to say "You'll see... You'll all see...." At least once after getting it.
It actually says a lot about someone when the majority of people would sound creepy saying that
I have to say this slapchop method has brought me back to life as a painter. I have had piles and piles of unpainted grey minis taking up my closet for years because I just havent had time to give them all a "table top ready" paint job. But now with these speed paints I can spray paint a few minis I want to do before work, come home and actually paint 2-3 minis a night before bed and be satisfied with how they look. I am in love.
NICE! keep goin keep goin! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies As a newer mini painter, I really appreciate your videos! I was wondering, though, do you use gray/white primer for the drybrushing undercoat, or regular non-speedpaints? Thank you again for such great videos!
@@dire_5 You can see the white paint used for the drybush at 5:06. This is regular acrylic paint.
For the gray at 5:47 it's also cheap simple grey acrylic but @GoobertownHobbies also try with better paint.
You have your answers at 5:00 to 7:00 basically
Same here! As a 40k player who use to hate painting this has saved me. 2 3k point armies is much easier to paint like this.
"If it's worth doing, it's worth doing half-assed" is genuinely good advice for a chronic perfectionist like me
As a beginner painter, your channel is pure gold! Great video 🙂
Fixed it... your channel is pure gold! Great video 🙂
I got back into painting a few years back after 30 years off and Goober has been with me the whole way. I love these lets test stuff out videos.
@@B4MBI72 No I said it right. Thanks
But I guess you didnt understand the context clues. Lets try that again.
As I am a beginner painter, I find your channel to be pure gold, as I am sure, do other beginner painters.
Agreed
Seriously, at first I thought it was all b/s but honestly, he speaks the truth and is a great teacher 🎉
Brent is the Bob Ross of mini painting. All the best from the UK.
Happy little dwarves.... ❤️
Sorastro is the Bob Ross of mini painting, but Brent is the ... uh ... Mr. Rogers? Of mini painting? Or maybe the Bill Nye? I dunno, I'm reaching here
@@dominicskelton3031 happy little minis.
Your videos are healthy for my mind. Straight up. "Spending some extra time on the undercoat can really pay off." I really need to apply this the next time I get the paints out again.
Your clinical approach and personable demeanor always make your videos so therapeutic… and the feline proclivities are just too relatable 😂
hehehe, these dang felines and their proclivities... :-)
Your comment took the words right out of head! Goobertown therapy!
I’m amazed how many new tips I learned from a single video
hey glad it helped!! :-)
I really appreciate how thoroughly you test things.
You've combined what most would make as 4 or 5 videos into one concise video, with enough detail for people to make informed decisions to suit their individual model's needs.
You scienced our hobby again.
I love the technical side of painting that you do in videos, its great to see all the variations in everything that can be done and the slap chop technique has given me a great confidence and love for painting miniatures. That miniature you painted is quite the handsome guy, i just cant figure out where I have seen him before 🙂
hehehehe, I know you've been having fun with slapchop! I think one of your thumbnails actually got a teensy weensy cameo ;-)
@@GoobertownHobbies haha yup cheers for that, I try to spread myself around and I am so pleased at the news Army Painter will be releasing metallic speedpaints 🙂
Well fancy seeing you here
@@kaoticneutralcow4094 Hiya =)
I applaud your video making skills and antics. Your ability to retain your trademark smile while slowly glancing over at your car cleaning their nether regions, and not breaking timing was pure gold.
That dang cat :-)
This video is so incredibly valuable to new hobby painters. You've saved me a TON of time, money and effort here. Thank you!
Glad to hear it! Happy painting :-)
New Goobertown! Everything’s coming up Milhouse!
I've only painted minis once in my life and this is inspirational. You make an impossible looking hobby so accessible. Thank you so much, I'm really looking forward to getting painting.
Really like the Army Painter speedpaint. The reactivation that everyone seems to complain about is its biggest plus side. Speedpaint then go over highlights with a thin white paint. The reactivation colours the white and looks great. Do it again on the highest highlights and it works again. Great results.
I am starting my journey into painting this week. You videos have been so much help in finding a starting place and what to do. I enjoy how you not only show us how to do something but also go slow enough to see what you are doing and the result of the technique you are applying. Thanks for the inspiration.
Nice!!! Have fun painting, I'm rooting for ya :-)
You've done us all a great service with this extensive experimentation. I know how laborious it can be to cycle through different pigments and methods while cataloguing everything. Thank you so much.
Great video! I've been doing some of my own tests and I've personally found the prime color to be the most important. You can change the entire tone and feel of a mini by using a colored primer.
The "problem" with a black prime is that is sucks out the saturation of color, and really muddies some colors.
For my Imperial Fists I've started using a pink prime, followed by a cream zenithal, a white drybrush, and then a contrast paint, and it's the fastest I've ever been able to get a decent looking lemon boy on the table.
I think I would use brown primer for anything I wanted to have a "natural" look to them, a dark blue for any cold color scheme models, and either a magenta or dark red (depending on how bright I want the value of the end model) for anything I want to be a warm color scheme.
I hear ya! Thanks for watchin and thanks for the input :-)
100% agreed. One could also mention that gloss primers and notably gloss black work extremely well for true metallics. They add to the reflectivity of the model and allow to develop contrast with a simple wash without needing further edge highlighting. Natural light does that work for us.
There's a video on this site, showing pink primer as a base for yellow chaos warriors, so the choice to use it for Imperial Fists would seem well founded.
I think you can really see the bad side of the black primer in the faces of these Brents. Basically the less primer he left behind the better they looked. And overall that's the "problem" with these Contrast/Speed/Xpress/etc paints. There are actually a lot of experiments to be done before you find the right formula. I think they only really save a bunch of time if you are painting a whole army. I mean something like Slapchop looks decent but so does a nice clean base coat and a wash.
@@edevans5991 That's why I like to use pretty much any other color other than black when I'm doing this. Brown, blue, or magenta are my favourites depending on if I'm looking for a neutral, cold, or warm overall finish.
This is a neat way to undercoat. Especially since I don't really like how zenithals come out. Here is the method I have been playing with:
1. Prime grey
2. Black wash to add shadows
3. Dry brush white
Coming from a more traditional art teaching, this resonates much better in my mind. In traditional art (painting or drawing) you are taught to start with a neutral color and then add in shadow and light separately. This gives more control where those lights and darks go and it also gives you a neutral ground that tends to work better going both directions vs starting with the darkest part and trying to go the whole spectrum lighter.
I would love to see a video on this technique
This is the best video ever about how to prime the best way to paint with contrast or speedpaint ❤️❤️
A person probably needs to watch this a couple times to really decide what's best for them, but WOW, what a great in-depth analysis. Really the best I have seen looking at the dry brush method. KUDOS dude, a real winner of a video, thanks!
I love the brown and tan undercoats.
I feel like it changed whole look.
Yeah it feels warmer somehow - I think for historicals and fantasy I'm leaning towards that, and saving black-grey-white for the old grimdark....
Indeed, and now it makes me want to try purple tones and the like in the undercoats as well - Seems like picking the right palette at the undercoat could really be important for getting the best result from 'slapchop' for the mini in question. Not sure how well the glaze will cover 'em till you try it though.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 purple shade under green would be greatv
Clear, simple instruction. You sir, win the internet. Thank you.
I can't tell if this guy is a complete sociopath with bodies in the freezer, or just an absolute legend with a presentation style and knowledge base second to none. I'd like to think it's the latter. Ive seen a few videos now and I really have a hard time believing just how much raw information is packed into such a small delivery package. Kudos. This channel is amazing. I have only a handful of minis and have commissioned a few to be painted; I'd love to someday get into the painting hobby, and if I do, you had better believe I'll be binging and studying all that this channel has to offer. If nothing else, the calm demeanor is worth the watch in and of itself. Thank you for your excellence.
The amount of work you put into your videos blows me away.
Thank you so much for this. You are a treasure to our community.
"You'll see you'll all see"
You got me hooked on speedpaint and now I'm gonna flip out when more is released and I'm gonna go OH OH MY GOD
there are some good colors comin.... you'll see :-)
I've watched a ton of painting videos on TY, but this one was totally stunning. Excellent, easy-to-read visuals, a good shot of gentle humour, and an absolute ton of useful information. Thank you SO MUCH! Goobertown Hobbies is going to be a new go-to, right next to Sorastro.
This is a truly OUTSTANDING video! I taught art for over two decades, and this is about as good as it gets. I love how you cover all of the options, then recap what you've learned. I'll be checking out more of your videos!
The writing and facial expressions were on point for this video! Thanks for the fun, Brent!
Dude, your presentation and facial expressions are amazing. I'm cautiously taking my first steps into mini painting and your channel just resonates down to my soul. You're so cool! Thanks for all your wonderful videos
hehehehe, I'm excited for you getting into minis, that's great! I hope you're having a blast :-)
I enjoy how relaxing your videos are while still maintaining an educational quality to them for the hobby. Always an inspiration!
Video's where you test stuff, like in this one, are my favorite!
I really quite appreciate your systematic approach to experimenting with the different undercoats, and the clear way in which you present the process and your findings. Thank you!
Very helpful, thank you Brent. If I could only watch one mini painting channel it might be yours for the mix of helpful information and positive vibes.
Oh and you've convinced me on grey step
glad it helps, thanks for watchin!!! :-)
Aww Kitty's a good painting helper
absolutely incredible resource for newbies like me
thank you so much for the exhaustive hard work that you put into this and all the knowledge you shared
the fact you disclose your professional connections to product recommendations is another level of class too
Good lord, this is a useful resource for experimentation using a diversity of techniques and materials. Amazing! The video itself in visual supports, economy of description, and itemized elaboration of techniques with comparisons is a masterclass in how these kinds of tutorials should be produced.
When you're nearly done editing your longest video ever... And Brent sums it up with science in a quarter of the time 😅🔬🔬 You hero.
A lot of our findings were very similar :).
As a note if you missed one I think it's just simply *slowing down the grey drybrush* and going for high-quality, following dark grey/dark coloured primer (we also used brown).
It really doesn't take too much longer than the normal drybrush (in comparison to total time added).
With the normal white final step (also slowing just a tiny amount for quality) you elevate the technique's potential so much.
Video is due soon, would love to see you try it out, plenty of theory to match your science 😅
Edit: Metallic tip is also worth considering, a little time added for notable improvement.
When you do a comparison it is thorough and never boring, even with all the detail and variants included. Great video.
New Goobertown day. My favourite day!
Your videos are inspiring and a big part of the reason I decided to give miniature painting a shot. Thank you for your awesome content :) You're also just an awesome person who I respect a lot.
Love having more systematic attention paid to this topic!
You lightly touched on it, but i suspect the idea of a colored undercoat will be the next idea to make waves across the community in relation to this, you're the second person using browns for the undercoat, and the original grisaille painters used many others, in addition of the idea i've heard from multiple sources over years that undercoating a mini in purple gives you the best skintones you can get, so i suspect there's far more to explore in this topic in the future
Best videos about painting EVER! It's a GREAT job! Well DONE! Thx
Another wonderful vid man. 17:22 so honest, so great. Thanks.
Great work, Brent. I've come to similar conclusions in my own hobbying, so it's nice to see a step-by-step comparison to emphasize the points.
Brownchop and black->grey.z->white.db are probably my favorite. The tan middle step variant I think I'd need to see more of. But overall I like the warm undertone
I have to agree. These type of videos are the best on you tube. I wish i had more time to do all this experimenting on my own, but being able to quickly see all these different techniques is valuable information.
Thanks for taking the time to try out these fantastic things that I don't have the time/conditions to try, or even think of! It's always fun to learn about things from your vids, great stuff and keep'em coming!
right on! thanks for watchin :-)
This is one of the most useful undercoat videos I've ever seen. Thank you for your efforts!
hey thanks for watching! :-)
Every Goobertown video is a mini wonder! Brent is a real Prometheus, bringing wisdom to the world!
Hey Frank, you're pretty cool too! Hope you're havin a good one :-)
I appreciate the effort to provide the most results in a digestible format. It helps to make some informed decisions for attacking the Pile of Shame.
I recently got some speedpaints. I like the process of black primer in the airbrush, add some white to mix a grey to zenithal, then white drybrush. I do have to note that the grey should be on the lighter side to get good color. It's amazing how dark speedpaints are over even a medium grey.
That face at 2:56 lol. Love your vids!
2:52 is a truly masterful transition
A few seconds after that timestamp had me laughing my ass off! Well played Brent. Well played.
Respect on your methodical approach. 'Now for me, your reputation is not from gossip… your reputation is fact. Is solid.'
That narset playmat is beautiful
You nailed my preferred style. Black prime followed by heavy grey zenithal prime, followed by white dry brush.
Ps. I do hate the term "slapchop" since I have taken college level art history and have painted grisaille for about 30 years.
Nice! Yeah it seems to be a good color combo. Ironically, the rise of "slapchop" has resulted in more people actually learning the word "grisaille"... language is strange :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I think it has more to do with CZcams that it has penetrated the hobby community. The fine art community, being snobbish as it is, just rolled its collective eyes.
@HeadCannon TV the feelings mutual, we collectively roll our eyes at the fine art snobs who gatekeep our colloquialisms 🤣
Amazing Dwarf miniature! Great to showcase what you explained, so clear and precise. It'll help me alot to get more minis painted. Thank you Brent.
right on! paint more minis! :-)
'Makeup brushes are for faces' - excerpt of notes from this video. Great channel!
Love your systematic approach. I find that using something non porus to brush off most of the paint before dry brushing results in a much smoother finish. The paper towel sucks all the moisture from the brush and leaves the chalky-looking finish. Actually having a very slightly damp brush is best of all. Have a look at some of the videos from Artis Opus for some examples.
Great video! I love these comparison ones. I'm still settling into a method for "slapchop" but this helps a bunch!
Your conclusion with bulleted points at the end of this video is some of the best work I've seen on just about any YoutTube video. WELL DONE.
Brent I think I speak for everyone when I say that I massively appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into your videos. Painting dozens of models and variations takes a ton of time but the results speak for themselves, which is important in this hobby where so much advice given as fact is rather an opinion or personal preference.
Love your videos! Thanks for bringing me into world of Miniatures painting. I finally start my first army this year and it's Ultramarines :)
NICE! I'm glad that you're painting minis, keep on goin in 2023 :-)
I have been playing with a black, magenta, then white underpainting. Similar to the brown, it impacts the color filtering of the base coats. I can't really decide if it's better than just doing black grey white. I've also tried it with flesh tones : dark chocolate, to cinnamon to pale. That has an interesting effect as well.
The black - gray - white is a fine default, but tailoring the undercoat color to the mini and the specific color scheme that you have in mind sounds great! the warmer undercoat for skin makes a lot of sense.
These types of scientific tests are what keeps me coming back to Goobertown. The "memorable tidbits" makes an excellent cheat sheet and summary! Excellent work on this project!
I"m just here for the cats and Brent's hair. 😉 Seriously, love your vids! Love this!
700 years.
The absolute best refute to all of the pearl clutchers about SlapChop I've ever heard! Brilliant Brent! Thank you for this!
Really useful stuff! Don´t know when I will be speedpainting, but if I am, I am rewatching this video.
One thing that can make speedpainting result a little bit boring is the black shadow color. The brown to tan under paint is nice for that! I think it would be interesting to experiment with some "reverse-zenithal" e.g. a different colour from below, and still a zenithal from above like usual, to get some different shadow colors in there. Could work fine with a drybrush - for example, do a regular zenithal, drybrush a dark red from down to up in areas where you want it, and then paint it green. It sounds good to me in theory, would it be good in practice though?
Reverse zenithals are fun with an airbrush, but I bet they're pretty dang tricky with a drybrush... I like the idea though! :-)
Yeah, I think grey primer with black shot from below and white from above is the best compromise between time and quality results
Always a joy. I admit, i've never been a fan of slap chop results. They always seem washed out to me. but a couple of those came out really nice.
I love your test videos. They are always thorough and clear.
And that dwarf is nice.
At this point I think mini companies/sculptors are just making models of Brent so he'll post a video during the dry spells.
Awesome video. Great step-by-step walk through. Thanks. You worked you butt off with all of the variants.
Great video! I'm slapchopping right now.
hehehe, thanks Dungeon Master! Have fun slapchoppin! :-)
This video was awesome! I love that more people are starting to realize that the colour undercoat you use can have a major, though subtle, impact on the entire appearance of a project.
Oh absolutely! I gotta keep working with warm and cold undercoats to keep building my skillz :-)
I'm just getting into mini and model painting and I've got to say.. I appreciate the use of craft paints, Rustoleum, etc. I don't want to have to shell out a ton of money for something I'm just dabbing into*pun intended* so seeing cheaper alternatives and techniques to help me get into my own is wonderful. Thanks!
Thumbs up for the video AND for the kitty at the end
Great, solid job. Lab for minis. Thanks friend!
I am addicted because of your voice. I don’t even paint minis but I might start now.
doooo ittttttt just give it a try :-)
Will try this on my next prints.
Can not be grateful enough for this video and teachings
Nice!! Have fun painting :-)
Thank you so much for taking the time to make such an awesome video. Subbed.
Liked the dark tone on the armour of the white over black very much gave a deeper tone to the armour
oh yeah, there's an evil awesome to that darker armor :-)
Great video, my favorite parts:
- The tan zenithal looks great!
- Scott dancing in the background
Scott is very talented :-)
I liked the dark gray base white from above and sped paint plus normal details
Thank you for the effort that went into this.
I'm a beginner painter and this will elevate my confidence in painting miniatures, Thanks
this has been brilliant, just getting into speedpaints and painting minis for the first time since the late 90's. painting for d&d nights to an acceptable and fun style. thanks my guy
Speedpaints over a black primed dry brushed model has brought me back to wargaming. I've always avoided the army I wanted (tyranids) because I'm a slow painter and the number of models involved was just not possible for me. Now I have the tyranid army I always wanted, it's all assembled and primed with a good part of it painted and I'm actually happy with how it looks!
I found this video both educational, and hilarious!
Awesome. Really appreciate a thorough testing of technique.
Nothing says "in my day job I know how to milk every bit of information out of a microtiter plate" quite like this video. Awesome.
My favorite channel. thank you!
Merry Grisaille'mas and thanks!
Darth Maul make-up brush :) The way I see it, the French had 700 years to convince me to use the word "grisaille." I laughed so hard beer came out of my nose. And besides some hilarious asides, there is a ton of info here. I am going to enjoy watching it several times over.
hehehehehehehe :-)
Thanks for the video! Some great examples of the various ways to approach painting minis!
I really appreciate you taking the time to trial and error out things like this, and show the results in a meaningful and objective way.
I've never tried any brand of speed paints, but am curious and with your testing done I feel informed enough to make a strong first effort. Thank you!
Your memorable tidbits part nailed it.
Don Suratos has a nice video where he does his zenithal with dry brushing layers, building up from a black prime to a dark grey to a light grey to a white, each time narrowing the light source (like in layering), and it comes out great with transparent paints after that. Putting a lot of work into the undercoating can make a huge difference.
I am taking the week between Christmas and New Years off to paint minis so this video came just in time. I can't wait to try this!
very nice, have fun! :-)
New Goobertown video! My Yule wish came true!
Merry Christmas!!! :-)