Should We Be Concerned Morbius Writers Are Writing Madame Web
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Jax R - Hi John, I know Morbius is hated by almost everyone, even people who like the venom movies. Me, I personally like the film and want a sequel BUT............ The screenwriter for Morbius is writing Madam Web. This is very concerning coming from the writer, he has credits that are filled with anti-masterpieces and I don't know if this writer is a good choice for this movie. Thoughts?
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It's not the writers, it's the studio. I mean, who hired the writers in the 1st place? Sony was never aiming for a good movie, they just want to cash in to the MCU.
Should we be concerned… Yes ! 😂
Im not concerned because i wont be watchung it
Lmao i cant take ray serious
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Absolutely
Absolutely Yes lol. I am not saying they are gonna produce a bad film but their chances of doing so is high right now.
Is like saying, I been getting 0, get 1 is a good thing
It’s like they aren’t learning ANYTHING from having marvel right next to them and helping them. When it’s not a collaboration with Marvel, Sony has no idea what they are doing…. Dare I say it, if marvel wouldn’t have been involved in the creative process of NWH, Sony would’ve screwed it up!
Thank god for the negative backlash when we heard Sony was taking back full control of Tom’s Spider-Man. Probably would’ve ruined him and give us a third reboot and 4th Peter Parker.
Sony just wants Madame Web to be their version of Doctor Strange. I have zero interest in this film.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
Then they’ll use her to yank Tom’s Spidey out of the MCU because he’s currently the relevant one
Sony learn nothing but the wrong lessons. May their failures continue!
Sony has NO IDEA what they're doing... just sell Spider-Man back to MCU, take the money, and move on
Sony lacks common sense
Instead of doing a Raimi Spiderman 4 or an Amazing Spiderman 3. They rather make Spiderman villains and side characters movies. 🤦♂️
After Morbius I’m not looking forward to a TASM 3. What would be different this time? More disappointment for Andrew?
Seems like they don't care about quality
You'd think Sony would have learned a thing or two from Marvel Studios and Into the Spider Verse, but they keep repeating the same old mistakes. Ridiculous that they can't just make the obvious decisions..
I’m from the future….Yes 😂
Rotten Tomatoe Critics & Audience Scores:
God of Egypt- 15%/37%
Dracula Untold- 25%/58%
Power Rangers- 51%/65%
Morbius- 16%/70%
Not exactly critically acclaimed or loved by audiences. MW can end up being good, but there's no reason to not be concerned going into the movie.
*reads title*
Yes, the answer is yes
Full disclosure. I love the transition from grinning Campea for the ad back to frustrated Campea. lol
Coincidence that this popped up in my reccommendations now that one of if not the worst superhero movie has finally come out? I think not! LOL
That's because this is not a situation where writers came in with a cool idea and Sony went "Sounds great. Let's do that". It's Sony deciding to make a random movie just for the sake of making it and looking for someone willing to write it.
One of the best Campea quotes ever - "I can't wait to NOT watch this movie!"
Who do I despise more, WB or Sony? Right now I’m really annoyed with Sony. First they couldn’t even promote Morbius without Spider-Man references and then they lie about it in the end, next where are the deleted scenes for No Way Home in the Blu-ray? Do we really need a Madame Web movie? Are they going to use her to snatch MCU Spider-Man like they did with Vulture, when NWH clearly establishes his home is in the MCU? Then they’re going to make a crappy sinister six with lower-tier villains to me, that won’t be sinister if all of them keep becoming anti-heroes and have no definitive reason to fight Spider-Man in the first place.
WB seems to have righted the ship (at least for now.)
And to think 3 years people were saying Sony should get Spidey back and now in hindsight it's clear that the team behind spiderverse are rarities who should be cherished and also without marvel studios help Sony would keep making asm2 mistakes
Me translating John: "I'm sure you are good people... But you as hell can't write a movie script!"
Honestly they really should just kill themselves if they’re both bad people and talentless like that’s just pathetic
Just remember if it says “In Association with Marvel” and not “Marvel Studios”….skip it. Sony has no idea what they are doing and just cashing in.
Exactly
Eh I wouldn't dismiss all of them, I loved Sony's first 3 Spiderman movies with Tobey Maguire and the first Venom movie, although everything else was garbage. Kraven the Hunter looks pretty good too.
Can't wait to watch Aunt May and J.J. Jameson solo movies, also by the writers of Morbius! 🤣🤣🤣
Came back here for hopeful optimism but damn. Demoralizing loss , this movie’s plot was
I’m convinced that Sony is self sabotaging lol
Potential directors for Madame Webb...
Uwe Boll
Paul W.S. Anderson (w/Dakota Johnson being replaced by Milla Jovovich for reasons)
Rob Cohen
Jason Friedberg & Aaron Seltzer (Retitled: Spider Movie)
Roland Emmerich
& Tommy Wiseau (Starring: Tommy Wiseau as Madame Webb & Greg Sistero as Spider-Man)
I'd watch the last one.
@@MatiZ815 I kinda would too lol
Yes but also Sony deserves most of the blame. You can see studio footprints all over the place in movies they do vs true MCU movies.
The Morbius writers are in charge of Madame Web? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’d like to see a sequel to Dracula Untold
Sony is struggling and I am really scared if they bring Miles in
Madam Web and Kraven - both Spider-Man related characters that never even had their own comic book. Let’s see how well they fair as a movie. Morbius had his own comic and look how well it did. And in my opinion, both Venom movies were not very good. Other then the Spidey movies, I don’t think Sony has proven themselves in comics movies. What the hell kind of world building are they trying to do here with these “get your own”movie characters?
Makes more sense than a Agatha Harkness TV show
@@jamesmutombo5565 No, it makes more sense to do these as streaming shows, not movies. Headlining a movie with secondary characters is too risky.
It makes me think a part of Hollywood is about hiring people you know rather than talent for their craft. Something that clearly holds back some of these projects frombeing truly great.
I know. Hiring the people who were the showrunners and writers of Lost in Space was a huge mistake.
Morbius was trash 🗑. Those writers should quit while they’re still behind lol.
lol they wrote Gods of Egypt which is way worse than Morbius, still getting work somehow tho
@@py16667 they must be stopped 🤣🤣🤣
The wrote and were showrunners of Lost in SSpace
I am concerned by anything Avi Arad touches.
Yes. Be worried.
To be fair, those two created Lost in Space series on Netflix which is really good
Sony and DC must be talking to the same people.
As an unemployed writer the fact that someone can write so many bad films and still get work in big films is both infuriating and reassuring at the same time, infuriating because they are taking the jobs that better writers could have taken and have the opportunity but also reassured because if I ever get a chance I can mess up and still hired again. These writers must have some great connections with producers and high up in studios or something.
Flop give Marvel the rights back!!!
Madam Web would have to be something insane like Legion in order to work. Sony just wants a generic superhero movie that will make some money.
Sony please stop I'm begging you
The ads are killing this..
Madame Web will introduce the Web of Life, Spider-Totems, and explain the roles that Tom, Tobey, and Andrew play in it as well as set up King in Black as the Sonyverse’s Infinity War event. Fuck I hope it doesnt turn out to be a complete disaster cause it sounds exciting.
That won't happen. Sony don't have creative capacity
They also were the Showrunners for the Lost in Space Netflix series
Seems like they completely went over that fact. They are competent writers. The movies the write just aren't amazing.
@@jamesmutombo5565 an seeing that they only worked on treatment for the film im not too concerned. Im more curious on them start up writer doing the screenplay
@@DevDinish not get what you’re trying to say ?
@@mohamedmaher5511 they actually aren't terrible writers they have written good stuff.
It amazing how these guys are failing upwards
5:25 Sony's Winning Strategy Most Of The Time! 😂😂😂
10:08 EXACTLY!!! 😂😂😂💯
I don’t get it, why doesn’t Sony hire actual good writers with at least one good screenplay? Surely it should be possible
my question is, why Madame Web?
She is a completely secondary character, and it reminds me of a phrase by Jack Kirby that I read years ago and came back to light with the Eternals movie.
"One day Stan asked me to create some characters because he had a story that he didn't know how to finish it, and in one night I created the eternals with a story that didn't even convince me, I presented it to Stan and he loved it, he told me this is the filling I need."
That is the existence of eternals, filler characters to explain things when the writers don't know what to do.
Madame Web is exactly the same, but with less interest, less appearances.
A precognitive and clairvoyant mutant, elderly and with a medical condition that has her connected to a life support system that looked like a spider web, that's all the resemblance she has to a spider. And his appearances, the very few, were to help spiderman in kidnapping cases.
She never fought against villains, she never saw any action.
So, why Madam Web?
The same can be said about Guardians of the Galaxy. Look at what a good script can do to secondly characters.
@@TacticalDimples the same cannot be said, guardians helped Shepard Marvel's cosmic comics throughout the late 2000s and were part of many major events that shaped the cosmic universe for years. Plus it's just an overall fantastic comic run, they were relatively unknown characters, but they were never filler characters who existed to support other more popular heroes.
@@TacticalDimples That is not at all a like-for-like comparison. The guardians were lesser known yes, but they were not secondary characters in their own stories. OP is saying Madam Web was always a secondary character in the stories she appeared in and was never dynamic or kinetic enough to have a whole story centre on her.
@@TacticalDimples I agree that the guardians when they began their adventures in the comics were not the most popular, even now it could be said that they are still like the underdog. But without a doubt they are much better known, as a group and individually, having appearances in great sagas today.
In these past years I have not read much, because let's be honest, the comic industry is dying, but the last thing I remember is Starlord in old man logan, at times he leads the entire saga leaving logan in the shadows.
(edit) - Gamorra in the last Infinity saga "reboot" like or not, her character is god damn well done.
Madame Web is an old woman sitting in a chair almost dying who sees the future. And she's a mutant, how are they going to explain that?
She seems like all you said plus much worse cause she provides an unnecessary link between spider characters that seems to nullify Parker being a creature adjacent to mutants , an accidentally engineered genetic freak :)
It’s gonna be dogshit, just like morbius.
When I saw that "I'm Venom" line in the Morbius trailer I died inside, seeing another major studio using Leto to deliver top tier cringe like the Joker line about giving Batman a reach around. Oooph
Dracula Untold, Gods of Egypt and Power Rangers (I haven't seen Morbius so I can't judge that but) how are these people getting work!?
Morbius is the best of the bunch, still awful in my opinion
Dracula Untold and Gods of Egypt were both really good and I’ve heard nothing but good things about Power Rangers from my friends who have seen it (I’m not a Power Rangers fan)
They were the showrunners and writers of Lost in Space
I still wish that Dakota was MJ for Andrew Garfield's TASM 3! I know S.W. was supposed to be, but I rather have Dakota ❤
That would be perfect casting for Mary Jane.
They should get Josh Trank :P
I'm not concerned because I have no interest in this movie to begin with.
I bet they're getting ready to do a movie about some newspaper or hotdog stand guy that Spider-Man once randomly saved.
Story is story, but they're not doing the screenplay or directing. A LOT can change from treatment to screen, and hopefully they have some competent people in charge during actual pre-/production.
It’s so unfortunate that guys like these can keep making flop after flop after flop but really great writers out there will never get a shot for a major feature.
Most of their flops are actually really good
Is it just me, but I get entertained when John gets mad.
I want to know which 7-11 these Sony exes shop at. If they want to pay me I’d be happy to write whatever bad scripts they want.
They should add the writer of Catwoman too
6:04 who edited this part of the video
Yes. Fire those writers right now and start over
I think recent movies decreased quality is linked to an underrated importance of screen writer's quality. They focus on actors, sequels, big franchises, but don't understand that the script is the foundation. The rest is icing on the cake
Sony to me has missed more then hit on there Spider-Man related movies...
Morbius was really not good
Let there be Carnage was not good
Venom was almost good
TASM2 was almost good but a mess
TASM was just good
Since Sam Rami films Sony does not have the best track record for their Solo Spider-Man Live Action movies...
Someone made a great point on a similar post about the theory of Sony really just wanting to maintain the film rites to these Marvel characters - (preventing them from reverting back to Disney) - The quality of these films be damned in Sony's eyes. I mean really who wants to really see a Madame Web live action film?? Having said that I'm with John in saying that Morbius wasn't the horrible film that folks made it out to be. "Moonfall" anyone?
I wonder how Sony will survive without Spider-Man? At least they have Ghostbusters, Charlie’s Angels and Men in Black. Interestingly two of their 2019 films Charlie’s Angels and Men in Black: International flopped at the box office, so there’s also that.
Kraven is only slightly better. Sony is repeating what Fox was doing when they owned Marvel licenses
Do you honestly think Kraven will succeed? Bro, it has no Spiderman. I have never read a stand-alone Kraven comic. All the films without Spiderman or Venom will flop. Sony can't make a good film without Feige.
I love the dynamic between you guys the show is much better with this crew :)
Now I’m worried about Kraven the Hunter
With all due respect to Mr. Campea, based on the history we've seen with Lucasfilm, 20th Century Fox, DC and yes also Sony, I think you really need to wrap your mind around the idea that just because you can make a good or even great movie here and there doesn't mean you know how to make a good franchise. And in the case of Morbius based on what I hear, haven't seen it, sounds like this movie was super chopped up, so I wonder in failing to make a good franchise how much did they also hurt the task to just make a good movie in the process?
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I reckon it was chopped up because of NWH. Tyrese doesn't even have a bionic arm like he does in the trailers. Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless were the showrunners and writers of Lost in Space so they are obviously talanted writers. I wonder what goes wrong with their movies. I really liked Morbius by the way.
Lets not forget that Morbius was supposed to come out before Venom 2 and NWH, so i think they had to re edit the film so that the film could now fit in where it is now, like Morbius was meant to release long before the multiverse arc even started, so Vulture was in the SSU for a differentt reason
Batman is my favorite superhero, Wolverine is second, and Spider-Man is third.
But I’ve never been a fan of the character Madam Webb so my expectations for this spin-off movie are low.
I’m convinced that Sony’s approach to their non MCU or Spider-Verse Marvel movies is to go for “so bad they’re good” kind of entertaining. So basically they’re intentionally picking shitty writers and directors for these movies
It’s reverse psychology, they pay as little as they can with the production of the movie while roll the dice on the profit they’re receiving(so far with two venom movies’ box office, they’re winning), they do their best to produce mediocre movies that critics will rail on then audience’s reaction would be “huh this isn’t as bad as I thought it would be what r the critics thinking” this is with every damn case from the Sony spinoff, I disagree with some of the critics’ reviews of movies or shows but Sony loses my trust long ago in their own production(except animation)
@@madtitan0825 don’t forget they made the emoji movie not so long too which is their worst animated movie lol
@@mohamedmaher5511 I purged that out of my memory long time ago lol
Sony has a winning formula for profits. These writers are probably extremely cheap. They don't need a good film, they just need a cheap film that can scrape together a small profit while maintaining the rights!
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How much more could it cost for a better script? A million? 2 million? That’s a drop in the bucket for a movie that gets worldwide critical acclaim and audience word of mouth in return.
I was baffled when Disney was like “OK- we really whiffed and pissed off a lot of fans with Last Jedi, so we need to REALLY stick this landing with ROS- let’s hire the guy that wrote ‘Justice League’!”
They’re all morons.
They were also the Showrunners for Lost in Space on Netflix which Was actually pretty good
Well I guess they’re better at TV shows than movies
Dracula untold is very underrated
These giant motion pictures are a collaborative effort. I used to read scripts at a production company.
The first thing the producers do is have them rewritten reinterpreted and taken apart. At the end of the day a bad movie is the fault of the Director the producer and the studio heads.
Who can really tell how good or bad and original screenplay was before the producers and studio heads get their hands on it?
PLEASE NOOOO! GOD PLZ LET THEM STAY AWAY FROM MADAM WEB!!!!!
Honestly all this crap just is tiring at this point. Sure it's not a film, but the PS4 game's opening shot alone was better world building for Spider-Man's rogues than anything we've got from Sony's films so far.
Just goes to show, Sony doesn't learn. They tried the failed Amazing Spider-man 2 strategy with Morbius, and it didn't work, and they're trying to do the "Young Aunt May" thing that never got off the ground with Madam Web. They literally cannot do anything right without Disney involved.
It blows my fucking mind..... It drives me so fucking crazy oh my god
Why is sony even using the same writers. I don’t understand the thought process
Right lol movie got horrible reviews and will maybe break even and there gonna use them again? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a diff result lol
They are the showrunners and writer for Lost in Space on Netflix which is really good.
We’re doomed
They put so much dirt in our eyes with Morbius already…
Thank you Rob! Yes why that Hell Spiderwoman has not been on the works instead … or Morales ? The only I can see this working if Madam Web is sort of a leader of a Spider character misfits like The SpiderVerse Characters. The is the only way. Otherwise this is gonna be a mess!
Sony hasn’t done a good live action Marvel movies since 2004. They should just give up and give the rights back to Marvel studios.
Venom was decent, also Kraven the Hunter looks decent
The Power Rangers movie was OK... until Act 3. Then they simply pasted a Power Rangers episode structure to finish the film. It was very disappointing. Acts 1 and 2 were nice.
I mean the movie was so good it had the Chronicle vibe with Michael B Jordan, and them that 3rd act the actress who played Rita must have received a different script than the rest of the cast she turned so far left and the giant gold monster no comments.
Sony is using Madame web to transport Tom Holland’s Spider-Man back and forth between the MCU and SSU. Either that or sending the villains from the SSU, I.e Venom, Morbius, Kraven to the MCU while also sending vulture back. She will be the conduit of the live action spider verse.
Feige should nix that
Absolutely.
i think sony is pulling a WB and blowing up there company before they sell it .
"hEy WaNnA tEaM uP? iNtRiGuInG" - morbius writers
*Gets teleported to a brand new universe*
Well, I hope the food’s better in this joint.
100% be worried lol I hated both those film ideas but hey they going through with it
“the best you can do is go see who’s hanging out at 7-11 that wants to write a movie” 😂
Well let’s be honest how much of a movie can they write about a woman sitting in a chair.
To be fair writers Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless did create and wrote a couple of episodes including the finale of lost in space which I love that one of the best tv shows I seen in the last decade
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I wish you saw my face when I read this headline 🥴
It's SONY. Yes all the films without a Spiderman or Venom will flop
Yes
Sony
1.) Miles Morales
2.) Silk
3.) SpiderGwen
4.) SpiderWoman
5.) Spiderman 2099
Exactly could have picked and of them .. The Spider Ham would been more interesting 😅… the only way this could salvaged was if this would a kind of SpiderVerse Movie. Bring obscured versions of Spider men and maybe a brief cameo of Spider man just to spice up.
@@Horus070 Exactly, or if they stayed faithful to the Spider-Totem storyline and brought Madame Web in alongside other Spiderpeople and Morlun and his vampire family, it could have worked. But no, lets forget Spiderman 2099, Superior Spiderman, Peter Parker, Assassin Spiderman, every other character and pick out a random female cast for empowerment.
DC had the same issue a few years ago but now learned there lesson and are now getting quality writers and cinematographers, for example black adam has Lawrence sher the guy who helped with joker and the Godzilla movies
Which Godzilla movies?
The recent one before the King Kong mashup:
Godzilla (2): King of the Monsters
wooh...that Aviation Gin seems too Strong for John !!!😂🤣
For Rob: Nope, no Madame Web mini-series. But since this is Julia Carpenter, they do have some scraps to pull together into a cohesive story. Like West Coast Avengers, Force Works and her debut in Secret Wars.
I like Power Rangers, I’m a life long fan of the property. If my highest hope is that it’s as good as that movie then that’s a huge problem!!!!
Asking if we should be concerned is like saying we have covid and there no cure
Love the show John
It is pretty wild that with the first Spider-Man series Sony got Sam Raimi, who at that point already had the Evil Dead and other films under his belt and was known, but with Amazing Spider-Man and onward they’ve given the property to somewhat no name filmmakers. Even Andy Serkis, who I love as an actor, was given Venom 2 with not much experience with movies of that size.
@Lost Utopia Films. Andy Serkis was a second unit director on the The Hobbit films. He learned a lot about directing big budget movies from Peter Jackson.
@@slimjimnyc270 Not nearly the same as holding an entire film on his own shoulders, and the making of those movies is known to be a mess.