Venom was a success cause it had Tom Hardy, a popular comic character, and didnt have anything horribly offensive to the audience. It was a safe comic book movie
Exactly, it was simply made to entertain. Now imagine if all their movies and series were like that. But Disney's corrent occupiers explicitly state they hate the thought of just entertain the audience that wants to be entertained. I have known many students from Asia over the years, and I am always so embarrassed - they love Westerners and want to see movies with handsome White men and beautiful White women. But instead there's crap inserted. And in music and in the schools too, and when there's a culture day in town full of shiht. And they can't understand why. I remember the frowning, troubled face so clearly.
I think part of the draw too is the eventual battle and/or team up between venom and Spiderman and the fact that Spiderman may end up merging with the symbiote for a while during the film.
No joke, I feel like Venom is the sort of movie that should have come out 10-15 years before it actually did. It just feels like it doesn’t belong to the modern era.
I disagree. I would say stop making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man that suck. You can absolutely do some cool stuff in that sandbox. A Venom movie with Kraven as the villain could be really cool but Sony won't make Kraven a villain. Apparently he's an animal rights activist in his upcoming movie. But honestly, even if Sony did that, they'd still mess it up.
Frankly i think its dumb to make anymore venom movies if he hasn’t met spider-man yet because thats truly what fans want to see. Just make those movies AFTER Spiderman meets those characters thats all they need to do.
@@TheNewCap Who wants Spider-Man vs Venom though? I don't think people actually want that, at least not on a mass scale. I think the audience has had enough of Venom, especially with him being a big part in the PS5 game. They did tease Venom at the end of No Way Home though so you may get what you want after all. I want to see some other villains appear in a Spider-Man film. They should honestly just go back to Scorpion from Homecoming.
I'd rather they come up with new ideas and characters and go that route instead. They say "absence makes the heart grow fonder"...maybe let these overused characters take a rest? Let the impact of what just happened set in with the fans..? Build suspense...anticipation...as opposed to turning the faucet on and letting "the sludge flow" as Drinker says.
Madame Web is like Flash Thompson. A really fun, intriguing character, lore-important and deeper than you think, that absolutely NEVER deserves their own film.
They should have maybe tried some kind of Suicide Squad-esque storyline wherein you feature a wide array of characters and give each their chance to shine. I don’t think most of these characters were ever meant to carry their own film, but they could be a lot of fun if properly incorporated into a larger narrative.
What was really odd about the second movie, especially in the beginning, was that the talk and actions moved very fast. I always look at how my girlfriend reacts since she is more of The Average Viewer, and she was put off by that too. The scene where Venom is making pancakes in the kitchen, singing and splashing everywhere, by then my brain was starting to get tired from it.
I prefer the first film Venom seemed more darker in that one. While in let there be carnage it just turned into a weird bromance comedy. And they did a good job on the design of carnage but they handled him so poorly its almost insulting to his character. Finally he gets to be on the big screen and that is what we get? Oh and that whole venom in the underground club scene was cringe inducing.
Never liked the Venom movie despite the better overall improvement from Spiderman 3's version. It wasn't dark and threatening like the comics. Tom Hardy was more Tom Hardy than Eddie Brock to me. It looked rushed and incomplete. As much as I wanted it to be a hit, it just wasn't for me. But it did set a box office record which is fine for the more casual fans.
@@Subsaibot2526Lost opportunity for something epic. Then again, I have vivid childhood memories of playing Maximum Carnage- a very flawed game that feels more epic (than it is) due to the age I was when I played it.
If they put Sydney Sweeney in a skintight suit the whole movie and get all her angles in the best light, and you've got a bigger box office success than what they're doing.
For real I can't fucking conceive of how you screentest her in that suit and say "excellent, now let's dedicated most of the runtime to Dakota Blankface and a squad of nobodies"
I had to google her and I find it astonishing how they were able to conceal such a high level of physical attractiveness. All it took was just some plain shirt with short sleeves and skirt or whatever was that. Wow.
At first I though they were cash grabbing, low budget to catter dumb consumers, but these movies are ridiculous expensive like a laundering scheme or something. They probably paid a premium price for such a shitty trailer.
based on teaser images, someone predicted that theres going to be a scene where it's revealed that either Uncle Ben is going to end up getting his "with great power comes great responsibility" quote from a chinese fortune cookie, OR, that SHE is going to be the one to say it to him and it will change his life forever" so yeah, thats about the most people are expecting from this movie. turning something serious and thoughtful into a joke, or retconning it so that a woman did it.
@@sterlingarcher74Nah, the whole quote stems from the philosophy of noblesse oblige. Those that proclaim themselves noble must conduct themselves so, likewise those who are granted great powers ought to use those powers to do right.
It's almost as if they are purposely trying to ruin the genre. "If we make the worst possible superhero films that we can, in the shortest amount of time possible... people will quit asking for superhero movies altogether !"
I’d accuse Disney of doing that. Eventually the MCU will just become so bloated that they literally cannot afford to keep it afloat anymore. Too many characters and too many movies that they’re too afraid to kill off because they need to keep their “diverse” characters
The most rational explanation I can think of is "Everyone is on the payroll of a rival studio". I mean, it would kinda explain why everyone does everything in their power to ruin whatever IP they're assigned to.
Maguire is *not* too old for Spider-Man 4 if they just adapt the 1998 Spider-Girl series. It's a fun, well loved, storyline about Peter's stable but stern relationship with his daughter and how his age slows him down. The time gap is just about perfect now for it. No multiverse garbage, no yaas queen, no girl boss, just an honest sequel that stood on its own merits and still holds up.
Never heard about this Spider-Girl series... but honestly, in my experience, Spider-Man is maybe the only comic were a gender swap actually looked cool. In Ultimate Spider-Man they cloned Peter Parker, that resulted in multiple "versions" including a female clone, I know it sounds silly, but that take of Spider-Woman looks so cool, the way she fire webs through her finger tips, she has a personality of her own, etc.. and of course, recently we had Spider-Gween who is the coolest looking character in the Spiderverse animations. So yes, that first impression, the aesthetics and cool factor, Spider-Woman actually looks interesting, unlike the Super-Woman, Batgirls of the world
Hugh Jackman is arguably too old for Wolverine but he’s back for it. And he’s older than Maguire. Plus, it’s easier to switch the actor for a stunt man or the like if they’re covered top to bottom in their costume.
I agree. I actually think an older Spider-Man could work really well. I don't like teen Spider-Man. I think Spider-Man should have a great deal of responsibility in his personal life to mirror his responsibility as a superhero. Him being a husband with kids could work really well.
The first Venom movie I actually appreciated, for the slow build and giving characters time to flesh out, before letting the titular character “Venom”, to turn the story upside down. Also the stunt work and body acting done by Tom Hardy was very well done.
Tom Hardy was hilariously awful, as opposed to the rest of the movie, which was just awful. Hardy knew he was making junk and went full retard, and , despite what Tropic Thunder argued, sometimes that's the right choice.
@@cameronmorgan9622 Heh well, to be honest the only reason I ever knew about it was because these guys (I think it was, might’ve been Midnight’s Edge) mentioned it.
@@lonewolf9578 It absolutely was funny with Morbius. Now that it's used with everything though...I agree, it's lost it's impact and has become just as goofy as whatever it's mocking.
Sydney Sweeney would be a draw (for me anyway), except they made her plain and dowdy and her superhero outfit reveals zero skin so I’m not even sure why they hired her to begin with. Plus Shades of Gray lady is a charisma black hole. This will absolutely be Morbius 2: Wahmen Edition.
Yep, if I was making this movie and they told me we had Sweeney, I'd be retooling that script to focus on her - maybe cripple madame web in the opening scene then get Sweeney in the suit as early as possible and just eye-candy the heck out of this film.
@@christophertaylor9100 I mean, she's definitely not a bad looking girl, just not exactly magnetic. Although I thought she was fine in the Suspiria remake.
I remember Madame Web from the animated series. It only changes the question from "Who is she?" to "Who tf is asking for main character Madame Web?!" I expect the answer to be dotted with checkboxes.
I wouldn't know this film existed, if it wasn't for this podcast covering the trailer a few months back. Congratulations, you've done more to advertise this thing than the actual studio 😂
Not trolling anyone, genuinely curious: where did all the Stuckmann hate come from? I mean I kind of get what they’re saying and it’s hilarious, but why is it now a thing?
Because now more than ever before, Stuckman just gives the absolute blandest, non threatening, on the fence, refuse to say anything negative type of film criticism. To people who actually have opinions and work hard to express them in an enjoyable and informative way, such as drinker and Mauler, Stuckman is infuriating.
@@p3t3r6i115 Stuckman is a studio shill "reviewer" trying to suck his way into Hollywood. Stuckman's Shelby Oaks "fan" funded movie will prove that he is just a wannabe hack.
I recall the video he made specifically talking about how he is going to stop bashing movies and will only review movies that are not mainstream. Yet since then, he has reviewed mainstream movies. Second, if he was seriously passionate about his stance, he would delete old videos where he bashed movies. Even all 4 of his live action dragonball reviews. That latter part is my opinion though Otherwise, he's been doing it for a long time. When there is experience, there also comes perspective. I need to defend him because I think he's a genuine guy and also a newer father. Fun fact, I was there AVGN from the beginning, I would not suggest showing him the same support. It's all fake now
Madame Web is a super deep cut into specifically spiderman lore. She hasn't been relevant since at least the 90s and even then she was extremely fringe to the greater Spiderman Mythos. They don't understand her powers her character, or her purpose in the story and it's really obvious. They are casting a young woman in a role that in even her earliest appearances was always depicted as an old woman.
When she went to the clinic and told the nurse she identified as an arachnid, the entire theatre leaped out of their seats, waved lghdtv flags and cheered biden 2024! ❤
I'd like to believe that every studio has secret infiltrators from a competing studio, and they're all trying to sabotage each other. As a result, everyone sucks because it's all offense and no defense.
We really do seem to have entered the era where corporations need a counter-intelligence department, just to keep out the infiltrators. (Ideological or rival driven doesn't matter, they're both dangerous.)
It's interesting how the passage of time seems to have changed in the age of social media. Drinker talks and Madame Web seeming like it came from different Era of filmmaking: five or six years ago. In the past when someone was talking about a different "era," it's decades to centuries, now it's a handful of years. I hear "this happened years ago, way back in 2018-2019," all the time, platform wide.
Madame is a full on movie? I thought it was gonna be a tv series like She Hulk or something. Oh man, this is gonna be disastrous. And I'm here for it 😎
The only major release I’m looking forward to this year is the second part of Dune. It’s over 40 years since I first read the book and I’m hoping they’ll continue to tell the same story. Outside that there seems to be a lot of flogging horses that were dead years ago.
And they delayed it from the fall to the spring. Why? Because of the writer's strike, so the female love interest has a leftist actress who should not play that role, nor the role of Mary Jane. She refused to promote the movie on talk shows in solidarity with the strike. And oh no, we can't have a movie without blabbering it up on the HOLY TALK SHOWS. We would miss the audience that watches those trash shows, and clearly that audience is what matters. (People who have actually read the novels? You are nothing. Go away. Especially don't tell anyone that Liet Kynes was a White man with red hair, not a Black woman, and that Chani was his daughter, not a Marxist Latina.)
In the book the banquet was pivotal as Kynes went to the Atreides side. How much impact did that have? Paul wasn’t accepted by the Fremen until he killed Jamis. So the banquet becomes optional to the film. Paul has to be accepted so he has to fight Jamis. It’s also important in being his first kill. In the book that happened at night, without stillsuits, in the Cave of Birds. Did it have to be that way? Cheaper and easier to film during the day. Would moving it to daytime change the importance of Paul killing Jamis? Things get changed or left out when transferring from book to film. If you take away the banquet what does Kynes do? Take the Atreides to see a spice harvester, and get killed by the Sardaukar after Paul had gained his loyalty. The gender swap in the film doesn’t eliminate those. The film isn’t telling the story of Liet-Kynes. As for girlbossess. Herbert filled his books with them. Bene Gesserit, Fish Speakers, Honored Matres. The universe of Dune isn’t one for haters of girlbosses.
@@darrenjones5885 Except the Bene Gesserit in this movie are weepy losers. And the strong Duke doesn't care if his son carries on his house, but just wants him to be free. Two changes that completely alter the foundation-stones in Paul's life. The harvester scene in the book is critical because it shows how riddled the society is with traitors - there is no air support. The movie completely screws this up, and also has one of Paul's first spice visions there, which is ridiculous because he's been taking spice his whole life. And I think they even have him rescue the Fremen which is also absurd because instead in the book he sees in that scene how they do what everyone else thinks is impossible - striking out across the desert. Changing Kynes is completely absurd in a WARRIOR culture which puts men on the front lines and women NEVER if at all possible. Of course in modern days this is impossible because the idea that women should remain at home to raise children is against the 'Message'. So then that has to be changed too. The movie doesn't JUST change a thing or two to serve the different medium... ALMOST EVERY DETAIL is completely different and in fundamental ways which show that the director doesn't have the slightest idea what held the books together and their cultural precedents.
It might help their reviews and box office returns if the Spider Girls all undressed, channeled their Girl Power by doffing their bras, and actually did some _flopping._
Odd, my reply to grrinc was hidden unless "Newest Comments" is selected. Let me try it, again... Ad Popularum. If you enjoy it, I'm pleased you found something that speaks to you and for you.
Interesting origin story: "Well you see my Mum saw some spiders once. Then she told me about it. And so that's how I got these psychic powers! Cause spiders are well known for being able to talk to people telepathically."
If the movie takes place before a certain movie Spider-Man is born and the villain wants to prevent his birth and it's 2003, then it can only be Tom Holland's version, and even his Peter Parker was born in 2001. Not to mention that it's not MCU...
The reason the Venom movies make money is because Venom is genuinely Marvel's second most popular character. Sometimes he's even their highest seller. Venom and Spider-Man are 2 of the only comics that sell beyond just Batman these days. That and those movies are entertaining enough that people campaigned to put him in the MCU (back when it was good). Sony doesn't realize that there's a difference between making movies of 2 of the most popular characters who's comic runs carry Marvel and supporting characters who rarely can even carry a 5 issue run.
I feel bad for all the talk show hosts who have to pretend like this is a massive Marvel movie. Just saw Dakota on Jimmy Fallon and it was cringe-worthy, speaking about the movie as if it's Infinity War.
It's so obvious that these movies aren't being created by people that even care about the material when the creators can't even get the correct timeline it's supposed to be in right
I know they don't understand or care... but fan loyalty is the only thing that keeps these things alive. As soon as that benefit of the doubt is gone? Guess what? "Spiderman" Means exactly as much as: "Buck Rogers" In terms of ROI. Sorry shills, word of mouth is a B.
I think Garfield would make more sense longterm, but I still think people still want to see a fourth Raimi film that little bit more. I'd say that although it may be like trying to have your cake and eat it too to do both, but what better plans do Sony have? They've squandered any chance at wider Spider-man universe they had already.
I find it such a bizarre idea for a movie. My only recollection of Madame Web is the old lady sitting on a tech-chair from the 1990s Spiderman cartoon, who had some connection with interdimensional travel or stuff like that from what I remember. How many people have actually ever even heard of this character, to justify a movie around some version of her? The Venom movies are pretty bad, but at least they feature a rather popular and basss lead character...
Same. That's was my first time learning about this character. From what I know she is supposed to be just this mentor figure for Spiderman like the ancient one in Dr strange. There's no way you can write a whole movie about her.
I'm pretty convinced that the reason Venom gets the random engagement it does is from the relationship between Venom and Eddy. I think the two have just enough chemistry to get people back just for the charm for those two, probably just because they remember them fondly, subconsciously anyways lol.
Let’s be honest all anyone wants from Madame web is for Sydney to have a series of wardrobe malfunctions as everyone else gets Fridged one by one Then in spider man 4 we can get Sydney and zendaya fighting for spider bag supremacy Even Sydney really isn’t much to look At when dressed like a depressed librarian I miss when comic movies had gratuitous hotness Boobs + muscle + heroism and unhinged villainy = billions
My favourite part of the trailer is when Madam Web drives over to the field where her alcoholic dad is comically crop dusting the wrong field and when he lands she says to him " Lucas's farm is on the other side of town! " Fantastic
I had no idea what "Madame Web" even was until I started seeing videos from you in my subscriber's feed about what a big flop it was gonna be. I guess that speaks for itself, doesn't it?
So many flops thesedays we really need to make we distinguish the severity beyond opening predictions. Like from a range of Aquaman 2 (big flop) to The Marvels (epic flop). Opening predictions alone doesn't establish that, since Aquaman 2 actually opened lower than The Marvels, but made twice as much.
They obviously wanted to make a female Spider-person movie. So why not use the second most successful Spider-person, behind Peter, his daughter May-Day, Spider-Girl. She is literally the only other Spider-person who could carry their own title. She sold better than Miles ever has. Plus Toby is the perfect age to play her father.
Brilliant. It'll never happen, because then she'd naturally ask her positive father figure, Spider-Man, for advice. I'm guessing they're setting it up so Spider-Man has to ask Madame Web for advice. Then she'll chide and emasculate him, and he'll screw up because he failed to heed her advice. Then in the end, she'll suddenly rescue him and 'show him how it's done'.
At least they hired some symetrically inclined women this go around. 2 of which i believe, have exposed their goodly bits for the world to see! 4 of which, were spectacular!
The second it was revealed Spider-Man wasn't in Morbius it was literally dead-on arrival. Only reason anyone showed interest was because they were expecting one of the Spider-Man's from No Way Home.
Well they put in some major research effort into the alignment chart for 3.5. Even going into the philosophical meaning of Good and Evil in the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness respectively. It sounds bizarre, but I've still got those two books because damn if the examination of the game mechanic meaning of Good and Evil isn't fascinating.
My favorite part of Madam Web trailers was when she said, "I see spiders!" And the other strong wahmen asked, "How often do you see them?" And she replied, "ALL THE TIME!!" It was the scene of all time.
Did you consider that the films flopping is also helping with job security of executives? If Marvel would still earn billions with each movie, any director that is making less would be in trouble. Now since everything flops the same directors can point to other failing movies and say it is not their fault. Also since they had be success at one point, they can't be fired since they are needed to fix the things that are broken. Bob Iger got a massive pay increase while the projects he is responsible for lately are all turds. Gunn is probably just earning millions just by showing up for work.
Andrew Garfield should get his 3rd movie in combo to Venom getting his. We can see Spiderman "not pulling his punches" as he described in No Way Home. The Venom Symbiote can initially attach to this Spidey and help give him the edge over his opponents. Hardy can help talk sense into him and get Venom back, then team up to beat the final villain. Maybe throw in Black Cat as an ally too, introduce MJ at the end. It doesn't need to be that complex.
as sad as this sounds.. never underestimate the potential pulling power of sydney sweeny in a skin tight spidewoman costume, especially after a few beers 🤣
I believe the draw with Venom was that everyone knew, even with the liberties they took with his origin, eventually he'd cross paths with Tom Holland's Spiderman. They teased it after Strange screwed up the multiverse. Of course, everything is pretty much shot to hell now. The multiverse was already a complicated storyline, but any DECENT WRITERS could have made something of it. I don't understand the Disney business model and I stopped trying a long time ago. Sony seems to be following suit. How do you try to put Morbius behind you? By taking two of their writers and giving them the chance to do worse. GENIUS 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾👌🏾
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 GOTG3 definitely has re-watch value. It's a great movie that focuses on the characters. Endgame has no re-watch value. That movie's cracks start to show real quick without the hype surrounding it.
@@TableCreed Respect, but we can agree to disagree about Guardians 3, but I do agree about Endgame. I hated that movie. I used to get hate for saying that. Hulk was a joke, Thor was a joke, the writing was lazy and full of plot holes, it also opened the door for the current mess in the MCU.
Why is Sony doing a Venom 3? Venom 2: $506 million gross vs budget of $110 million. Sony made at least $80 million from the movie (assuming 50% share from gross less budget less marketing ((50% of budget)). Venom 1: $856 million gross vs. budget of $100 million. Sony made at least $230 million from the movie. Those movies were barely watchable, and they are still making more money than the sh*t Disney has released in 2023. If Venom 3 keeps its budget at around $120 million (+60 marketing), they "only" have to gross about $400 million to make money.
These executives dont get it. Make GOOD movies based on heroes people LIKE. imagine spending $100M to make Super nobody that exactly nobody wants to see.
I loved that moment when the villain was like “How did you know?” and Madame Web responded with “I checked it on the web”. I had tears in my eyes…
He was Trapped in her WEBB.
It sent shivers down my web
Lmao
Tears... of laughter.
Reading this line just added 20 IQ to my brain power for the rest of eternity. Thank you
Venom was a success cause it had Tom Hardy, a popular comic character, and didnt have anything horribly offensive to the audience. It was a safe comic book movie
Exactly. I enjoyed it. No, it wasn't great but I had a nice afternoon.
Exactly, it was simply made to entertain. Now imagine if all their movies and series were like that. But Disney's corrent occupiers explicitly state they hate the thought of just entertain the audience that wants to be entertained.
I have known many students from Asia over the years, and I am always so embarrassed - they love Westerners and want to see movies with handsome White men and beautiful White women. But instead there's crap inserted. And in music and in the schools too, and when there's a culture day in town full of shiht. And they can't understand why. I remember the frowning, troubled face so clearly.
It was such a trash movie - should have been R Rated!!
I think part of the draw too is the eventual battle and/or team up between venom and Spiderman and the fact that Spiderman may end up merging with the symbiote for a while during the film.
No joke, I feel like Venom is the sort of movie that should have come out 10-15 years before it actually did. It just feels like it doesn’t belong to the modern era.
Stop Making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man in them. I don't understand how hard it is to comprehend that.
I disagree. I would say stop making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man that suck. You can absolutely do some cool stuff in that sandbox.
A Venom movie with Kraven as the villain could be really cool but Sony won't make Kraven a villain. Apparently he's an animal rights activist in his upcoming movie.
But honestly, even if Sony did that, they'd still mess it up.
Frankly i think its dumb to make anymore venom movies if he hasn’t met spider-man yet because thats truly what fans want to see. Just make those movies AFTER Spiderman meets those characters thats all they need to do.
@@TheNewCap Who wants Spider-Man vs Venom though? I don't think people actually want that, at least not on a mass scale.
I think the audience has had enough of Venom, especially with him being a big part in the PS5 game.
They did tease Venom at the end of No Way Home though so you may get what you want after all.
I want to see some other villains appear in a Spider-Man film. They should honestly just go back to Scorpion from Homecoming.
I'd rather they come up with new ideas and characters and go that route instead. They say "absence makes the heart grow fonder"...maybe let these overused characters take a rest? Let the impact of what just happened set in with the fans..? Build suspense...anticipation...as opposed to turning the faucet on and letting "the sludge flow" as Drinker says.
Or games to be honest.
My favourite part of the Madame Web teasers was when she exclaimed 'There are webs inside of me!'
Then she proceeds to web all over the carpet.
I was very fascinated by the spider research myself in that forest
o_O
@@bigcat7508
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"When She Was Researching Spiders" made me 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
she suffers from a bad case of Pre-mature-ewebbulation..
The WNBA of movie franchises
😂😂
Some serious scissoring of the web!
I would say that analogy is a slam dunk but……. That analogy is a mid range jump shot that no one saw
Lol
@@IHateNicolasCage "damn! that was cold bloooded. ha ha ha ha unity!"- Rick James
“It’s floppin’ time!” If they’re changing everything about Fantastic Four, they might as well make that The Thing’s new catchphrase.🤣
Idk if that sounds dirty by accident or on purpose...
@@Chet_Manly …🤬😅
It's Ask For Consent Time
@@RocafellaPlaza82 between every thrust
Flopping time should have been used for The Little Mermaid last year.
Perhaps the real Madame Webs were the friends we made along the way.
Do enjoy some good webs from my friends.
❤
The friends did a backflip, snapped the bad guys neck, and saved the day.
Overused meme
@@person6117all memes are over used.
Madame Web is like Flash Thompson. A really fun, intriguing character, lore-important and deeper than you think, that absolutely NEVER deserves their own film.
Flash became Venom for a while, and it was pretty cool.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Yes. I know. I loved that run. He doesn’t ever deserve his own movie though. Great side-character storyline.
"I wouldn't want to fight me either!"- Flash. Yes he does.
Truth
They should have maybe tried some kind of Suicide Squad-esque storyline wherein you feature a wide array of characters and give each their chance to shine. I don’t think most of these characters were ever meant to carry their own film, but they could be a lot of fun if properly incorporated into a larger narrative.
Venom could've been such a great franchise if they hadn't turned it into a buddy comedy.
What was really odd about the second movie, especially in the beginning, was that the talk and actions moved very fast. I always look at how my girlfriend reacts since she is more of The Average Viewer, and she was put off by that too. The scene where Venom is making pancakes in the kitchen, singing and splashing everywhere, by then my brain was starting to get tired from it.
I prefer the first film Venom seemed more darker in that one. While in let there be carnage it just turned into a weird bromance comedy. And they did a good job on the design of carnage but they handled him so poorly its almost insulting to his character. Finally he gets to be on the big screen and that is what we get? Oh and that whole venom in the underground club scene was cringe inducing.
I rewatched Venom the other day, and I enjoyed it, but then I'm in love with Tom Hardy, so maybe that has blinded me to how sucky it was.
Never liked the Venom movie despite the better overall improvement from Spiderman 3's version. It wasn't dark and threatening like the comics. Tom Hardy was more Tom Hardy than Eddie Brock to me. It looked rushed and incomplete. As much as I wanted it to be a hit, it just wasn't for me. But it did set a box office record which is fine for the more casual fans.
@@Subsaibot2526Lost opportunity for something epic. Then again, I have vivid childhood memories of playing Maximum Carnage- a very flawed game that feels more epic (than it is) due to the age I was when I played it.
If they put Sydney Sweeney in a skintight suit the whole movie and get all her angles in the best light, and you've got a bigger box office success than what they're doing.
I just can't hear Sweeney without thinking Sweeney Todd. Chills! Down spine!
Nah if she isn’t nude why bother?
For real
I can't fucking conceive of how you screentest her in that suit and say "excellent, now let's dedicated most of the runtime to Dakota Blankface and a squad of nobodies"
Lose the suit 😅
I had to google her and I find it astonishing how they were able to conceal such a high level of physical attractiveness. All it took was just some plain shirt with short sleeves and skirt or whatever was that. Wow.
It's crazy because they're trying SO HARD with these movies, and at the same time, not fkn trying AT ALL.
At first I though they were cash grabbing, low budget to catter dumb consumers, but these movies are ridiculous expensive like a laundering scheme or something. They probably paid a premium price for such a shitty trailer.
The problem is, they're trying too hard to cater to an audience that barely exists (while also actively alienating their actual, existing audience).
based on teaser images, someone predicted that theres going to be a scene where it's revealed that either Uncle Ben is going to end up getting his "with great power comes great responsibility" quote from a chinese fortune cookie, OR, that SHE is going to be the one to say it to him and it will change his life forever"
so yeah, thats about the most people are expecting from this movie. turning something serious and thoughtful into a joke, or retconning it so that a woman did it.
To be fair, giving a teenager solid advice that you yourself got from a fortune cookie 20 years ago IS the most dad/uncle thing I can think of.
Oh they have the line... but they literally changed it into "if you are responsible, you will get great power"
Uncle Ben should just go on about the advantages of parboiled rice, or “converted rice” as he prefers to call it…
With girl power, comes no responsibilty.
@@sterlingarcher74Nah, the whole quote stems from the philosophy of noblesse oblige. Those that proclaim themselves noble must conduct themselves so, likewise those who are granted great powers ought to use those powers to do right.
How ironic this film comes out on Valentine’s Day. Because it’ll be getting No Love….just like me…
😢
That's not true Brother
I'm pretty sure someone will show love to this movie.
Considering that their latest ad was marketing it to thirsty incels, it all makes sense.
Someone will find an opportunity for some "self love" as the only person in the theater. Perhaps that's what the film is actually all about?
It's almost as if they are purposely trying to ruin the genre.
"If we make the worst possible superhero films that we can, in the shortest amount of time possible...
people will quit asking for superhero movies altogether !"
I’d accuse Disney of doing that. Eventually the MCU will just become so bloated that they literally cannot afford to keep it afloat anymore. Too many characters and too many movies that they’re too afraid to kill off because they need to keep their “diverse” characters
The most rational explanation I can think of is "Everyone is on the payroll of a rival studio".
I mean, it would kinda explain why everyone does everything in their power to ruin whatever IP they're assigned to.
I didn't realize the CW was branching out into films.
Sydney Sweeney thinks we'll take her seriously as an actress if she puts on a sweater and a pair of glasses.
C’mon, we all know that wearing non prescribed glasses like Lebron James, makes one a genius??? 😂
Made such a mistake doing Euphoria, almost as bad as just being a 304
You're going to ❤ it. I bet, You're going to see it TWICE 👄
Too bè fair is a good actresd
If this movie was rated R and had spider titty, I'd probably go see it in theaters ngl
Maguire is *not* too old for Spider-Man 4 if they just adapt the 1998 Spider-Girl series. It's a fun, well loved, storyline about Peter's stable but stern relationship with his daughter and how his age slows him down. The time gap is just about perfect now for it. No multiverse garbage, no yaas queen, no girl boss, just an honest sequel that stood on its own merits and still holds up.
Sony is leaving so much money on the floor by not doing SM4 and TASM3
Never heard about this Spider-Girl series... but honestly, in my experience, Spider-Man is maybe the only comic were a gender swap actually looked cool. In Ultimate Spider-Man they cloned Peter Parker, that resulted in multiple "versions" including a female clone, I know it sounds silly, but that take of Spider-Woman looks so cool, the way she fire webs through her finger tips, she has a personality of her own, etc.. and of course, recently we had Spider-Gween who is the coolest looking character in the Spiderverse animations. So yes, that first impression, the aesthetics and cool factor, Spider-Woman actually looks interesting, unlike the Super-Woman, Batgirls of the world
Hugh Jackman is arguably too old for Wolverine but he’s back for it. And he’s older than Maguire. Plus, it’s easier to switch the actor for a stunt man or the like if they’re covered top to bottom in their costume.
I agree. I actually think an older Spider-Man could work really well. I don't like teen Spider-Man. I think Spider-Man should have a great deal of responsibility in his personal life to mirror his responsibility as a superhero. Him being a husband with kids could work really well.
This. So many good stories to adapt from the comics.
The first Venom movie I actually appreciated, for the slow build and giving characters time to flesh out, before letting the titular character “Venom”, to turn the story upside down.
Also the stunt work and body acting done by Tom Hardy was very well done.
Tom Hardy sells that movie imo.
Tom Hardy was hilariously awful, as opposed to the rest of the movie, which was just awful. Hardy knew he was making junk and went full retard, and , despite what Tropic Thunder argued, sometimes that's the right choice.
I had actually forgotten that this movie was even a thing.
I didn’t even know this movie was a thing!
@@cameronmorgan9622 Heh well, to be honest the only reason I ever knew about it was because these guys (I think it was, might’ve been Midnight’s Edge) mentioned it.
I had no idea it was gonna be released in cinemas. I thought it was gonna be released on some streaming service. Lmao
I immediately forget every time I hear about it
Never heard of it. I'm so out of the loop in movies nowadays. It feels saturated with terrible ones.
Madamn Web has already made 2 webbillion dollars, It's Madamning Time!
The joke wasn’t funny with Morbius, it’s not funny now
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@@lonewolf9578 It absolutely was funny with Morbius. Now that it's used with everything though...I agree, it's lost it's impact and has become just as goofy as whatever it's mocking.
No
@@lonewolf9578cry moar
Sydney Sweeney would be a draw (for me anyway), except they made her plain and dowdy and her superhero outfit reveals zero skin so I’m not even sure why they hired her to begin with. Plus Shades of Gray lady is a charisma black hole. This will absolutely be Morbius 2: Wahmen Edition.
Yep, if I was making this movie and they told me we had Sweeney, I'd be retooling that script to focus on her - maybe cripple madame web in the opening scene then get Sweeney in the suit as early as possible and just eye-candy the heck out of this film.
I cannot figure out how a mix of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith's genes gave us... Dakota.
@@christophertaylor9100 I mean, she's definitely not a bad looking girl, just not exactly magnetic. Although I thought she was fine in the Suspiria remake.
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 Yeah she's all right but with those genes she should be stunning
@@christophertaylor9100And charismatic as all hell.
Zack Snyder’s Madame Web.
Not only full of expositions, but also having them in a super slow motion.
Rebel Moon still made more money than DC projects post Zack Snyder.
@@AncestorEmpire1 That was such a low bar
And darker than closing your eyes
If Zack Snyder it'd still be better than this CW crap. It would be bad, but in a different way.
Super slow motion, like the box office revenue ticker.
Under Sony’s current deal with Netflix through 2026, Madame Web should be on Netflix by this summer. You’re welcome.
I remember Madame Web from the animated series. It only changes the question from "Who is she?" to "Who tf is asking for main character Madame Web?!"
I expect the answer to be dotted with checkboxes.
Also why is this named after only _one_ character if it's apparently some kind of team movie?
I agree thats the real question @@EvilDoresh
I wouldn't know this film existed, if it wasn't for this podcast covering the trailer a few months back.
Congratulations, you've done more to advertise this thing than the actual studio 😂
Mauler´s Stuckmann impression was awesome. 😂
Not trolling anyone, genuinely curious: where did all the Stuckmann hate come from? I mean I kind of get what they’re saying and it’s hilarious, but why is it now a thing?
Because now more than ever before, Stuckman just gives the absolute blandest, non threatening, on the fence, refuse to say anything negative type of film criticism. To people who actually have opinions and work hard to express them in an enjoyable and informative way, such as drinker and Mauler, Stuckman is infuriating.
@@flyinpigmusic331 lol gotcha. Ya he does tend to just parrot the studio narrative. I distinctly remember him saying how much he loved the last Jedi.
@@p3t3r6i115 Stuckman is a studio shill "reviewer" trying to suck his way into Hollywood. Stuckman's Shelby Oaks "fan" funded movie will prove that he is just a wannabe hack.
I recall the video he made specifically talking about how he is going to stop bashing movies and will only review movies that are not mainstream. Yet since then, he has reviewed mainstream movies. Second, if he was seriously passionate about his stance, he would delete old videos where he bashed movies. Even all 4 of his live action dragonball reviews. That latter part is my opinion though
Otherwise, he's been doing it for a long time. When there is experience, there also comes perspective. I need to defend him because I think he's a genuine guy and also a newer father.
Fun fact, I was there AVGN from the beginning, I would not suggest showing him the same support. It's all fake now
Madame Web is a super deep cut into specifically spiderman lore. She hasn't been relevant since at least the 90s and even then she was extremely fringe to the greater Spiderman Mythos. They don't understand her powers her character, or her purpose in the story and it's really obvious. They are casting a young woman in a role that in even her earliest appearances was always depicted as an old woman.
Bloody ageists, the lot of 'em.
It's morbin time. The movie we didn't want.
It's Madame Time.
And, You're Going To ❤ It.
In Fact, I Bet You're Going To See It Twice 👄
When she went to the clinic and told the nurse she identified as an arachnid, the entire theatre leaped out of their seats, waved lghdtv flags and cheered biden 2024! ❤
LGHDTV LMAOOO
I liked the part when Madame Web said "I'll make sandwiches for the boys" and made sandwiches for the boys.
And then she says "You're gonna like these samidges," and they nod along in agreement and do indeed like the samidges.
They loved the sandwiches so much, I bet they will eat them Twice 👄
I liked the part where she says it's shining time and proceeded to shine all the boxes
I liked the part where the velociraptor said “clever girl,” then Madame Webb webbed all over it
@@RocafellaPlaza82 They can save that for the sequel.
I love how about halfway into this video they all had a moment of silence for this bad franchise.
I think they needed more to drink before tackling this one.
I'd like to believe that every studio has secret infiltrators from a competing studio, and they're all trying to sabotage each other. As a result, everyone sucks because it's all offense and no defense.
We really do seem to have entered the era where corporations need a counter-intelligence department, just to keep out the infiltrators. (Ideological or rival driven doesn't matter, they're both dangerous.)
That sounds like it could be a good movie!
@@user-lf3kr1nq2d Either that or a good comedy skit.
They really think I’m gonna spend $50 to go see Dollar Store spider-cat-woman played by a barely watchable actress.
Bless their hearts.
It's interesting how the passage of time seems to have changed in the age of social media. Drinker talks and Madame Web seeming like it came from different Era of filmmaking: five or six years ago. In the past when someone was talking about a different "era," it's decades to centuries, now it's a handful of years. I hear "this happened years ago, way back in 2018-2019," all the time, platform wide.
Technology changes so fast now that we are accelerating eras. Also Covid happened and makes everything seem 5 years farther away
@@superjlk_9538that or the majority of the Internet is just a bunch of stupid kids and when you're young like that a couple years seems like decades
The biggest put off for me is the fact is it has the writers from Morbius
Madame is a full on movie? I thought it was gonna be a tv series like She Hulk or something. Oh man, this is gonna be disastrous. And I'm here for it 😎
The only major release I’m looking forward to this year is the second part of Dune. It’s over 40 years since I first read the book and I’m hoping they’ll continue to tell the same story. Outside that there seems to be a lot of flogging horses that were dead years ago.
And they delayed it from the fall to the spring. Why? Because of the writer's strike, so the female love interest has a leftist actress who should not play that role, nor the role of Mary Jane. She refused to promote the movie on talk shows in solidarity with the strike. And oh no, we can't have a movie without blabbering it up on the HOLY TALK SHOWS. We would miss the audience that watches those trash shows, and clearly that audience is what matters. (People who have actually read the novels? You are nothing. Go away. Especially don't tell anyone that Liet Kynes was a White man with red hair, not a Black woman, and that Chani was his daughter, not a Marxist Latina.)
They didn't tell the story of Dune in the FIRST movie. They just wore its skinsuit and filled it with GIRLBOSSES.
No one on this thread even saw Dune clearly. There were barely any women in it at all. Get therapy.
In the book the banquet was pivotal as Kynes went to the Atreides side. How much impact did that have? Paul wasn’t accepted by the Fremen until he killed Jamis. So the banquet becomes optional to the film. Paul has to be accepted so he has to fight Jamis. It’s also important in being his first kill. In the book that happened at night, without stillsuits, in the Cave of Birds. Did it have to be that way? Cheaper and easier to film during the day. Would moving it to daytime change the importance of Paul killing Jamis?
Things get changed or left out when transferring from book to film. If you take away the banquet what does Kynes do? Take the Atreides to see a spice harvester, and get killed by the Sardaukar after Paul had gained his loyalty. The gender swap in the film doesn’t eliminate those. The film isn’t telling the story of Liet-Kynes.
As for girlbossess. Herbert filled his books with them. Bene Gesserit, Fish Speakers, Honored Matres. The universe of Dune isn’t one for haters of girlbosses.
@@darrenjones5885 Except the Bene Gesserit in this movie are weepy losers. And the strong Duke doesn't care if his son carries on his house, but just wants him to be free. Two changes that completely alter the foundation-stones in Paul's life.
The harvester scene in the book is critical because it shows how riddled the society is with traitors - there is no air support. The movie completely screws this up, and also has one of Paul's first spice visions there, which is ridiculous because he's been taking spice his whole life. And I think they even have him rescue the Fremen which is also absurd because instead in the book he sees in that scene how they do what everyone else thinks is impossible - striking out across the desert.
Changing Kynes is completely absurd in a WARRIOR culture which puts men on the front lines and women NEVER if at all possible. Of course in modern days this is impossible because the idea that women should remain at home to raise children is against the 'Message'. So then that has to be changed too.
The movie doesn't JUST change a thing or two to serve the different medium... ALMOST EVERY DETAIL is completely different and in fundamental ways which show that the director doesn't have the slightest idea what held the books together and their cultural precedents.
It might help their reviews and box office returns if the Spider Girls all undressed, channeled their Girl Power by doffing their bras, and actually did some _flopping._
Might make me flop as well. 😊
That would definitely make the little web shooter in my pants start flopping as well! 😃
it's fapping time !
*sigh unzips
Sweeney has no issue with that plot. Vishnu bless that woman.
My favourite part is when Madam Web shouts, "ITS WEBBIN' TIME!", and tries to web over the entire audience but there isn't one.
Venom is a great character and the first movie had so good ideas but mostly failed. Needed to be R rated
A movie rendition of Peter David's Madame Web might have been worth watching, this is just Sony's version of The Marvels.
Stuckmann is basically commenting on movies according to his own mood at the current time :D
Nothing wrong with that.
...
*HOWEVER* it does make for content that is boring and, in his case, spineless and squishy as sin.
@@TheMaleReiHis channel is pretty popular
@@grrinc
Ad Popularum.
Hey, if you enjoy it, I am pleased you found something that speaks to you and for you.
I used to love his reviews, now he’s so boring.
Odd, my reply to grrinc was hidden unless "Newest Comments" is selected.
Let me try it, again...
Ad Popularum.
If you enjoy it, I'm pleased you found something that speaks to you and for you.
It’s worth noting that the majority of your segment about Madame Web was spent discussing Spider-Man.
"He was in the Amazon with my mom, when she was researching spiders right before she died." --You're right, really slick trailer info dump!
I've seen both Venom movies and I can tell you there is a body hugging goo monster, teeth and sarcasm....
Interesting origin story: "Well you see my Mum saw some spiders once. Then she told me about it. And so that's how I got these psychic powers! Cause spiders are well known for being able to talk to people telepathically."
That was the version before three or four re-writes.
They f’ed up the timeline because they were more concerned with representation
It takes special talent to put Sidney Sweeny in a tight costume and still get 0 interest.
If the movie takes place before a certain movie Spider-Man is born and the villain wants to prevent his birth and it's 2003, then it can only be Tom Holland's version, and even his Peter Parker was born in 2001. Not to mention that it's not MCU...
The fact that this movie is coming out on my BIRTHDAY makes it even more funnier 😂
Happy almost birthday!
@@TheElbowMerchant 😊 🫂
No it doesn't
Why does that make it funnier? Seems like you just wanted to announce your birthday to the class 😂
@@zeked4200 It's ironic, for Mozax8118, that his birthday is being marked by a shitty movie.
Chris Stuckmann haha I forgot he existed as well.
Doug Walker and Brad Jones are cooler.
Yep, the studios go-to shill! 😂
@@chasehedges6775
*Are they?*
@@TheMaleRei They are pretty watchable/decent
You got Stuckmanised!
"It's so nice that they made a film. Thank you." Best Stuckman review, ever!
The reason the Venom movies make money is because Venom is genuinely Marvel's second most popular character. Sometimes he's even their highest seller. Venom and Spider-Man are 2 of the only comics that sell beyond just Batman these days. That and those movies are entertaining enough that people campaigned to put him in the MCU (back when it was good). Sony doesn't realize that there's a difference between making movies of 2 of the most popular characters who's comic runs carry Marvel and supporting characters who rarely can even carry a 5 issue run.
When Drinker said "It's Drinkin Time!" and downed three bottle of Jack Daniels, I was moved to tears.
Madame Web is the most anticipated movie of 2004
Really goes to show the quality of a product being relesed when the first we hear of the product is through a creators 2nd channel.
I feel bad for all the talk show hosts who have to pretend like this is a massive Marvel movie.
Just saw Dakota on Jimmy Fallon and it was cringe-worthy, speaking about the movie as if it's Infinity War.
I would rather just watch Infinity War again, tbh.
Don't feel bad for them, they are all assholes
Not even Sydney Sweeney in a superhero outfit can save it.
It's so obvious that these movies aren't being created by people that even care about the material when the creators can't even get the correct timeline it's supposed to be in right
I'd be surprised if they are even being written by people at this point.
"How do you FU this badly?"🤔
The same way you get to Carnegie Hall 😂
I know they don't understand or care... but fan loyalty is the only thing that keeps these things alive.
As soon as that benefit of the doubt is gone? Guess what?
"Spiderman"
Means exactly as much as:
"Buck Rogers"
In terms of ROI.
Sorry shills, word of mouth is a B.
Why didnt they do Spiderwoman instead... like she has a himbo side character and a ward and battles other scantily clad woman. Now thats a movie
I think Garfield would make more sense longterm, but I still think people still want to see a fourth Raimi film that little bit more. I'd say that although it may be like trying to have your cake and eat it too to do both, but what better plans do Sony have? They've squandered any chance at wider Spider-man universe they had already.
I didn't think Tobey looked that old in No Way Home. They could always make a movie centered around an older Peter Parker.
I find it such a bizarre idea for a movie. My only recollection of Madame Web is the old lady sitting on a tech-chair from the 1990s Spiderman cartoon, who had some connection with interdimensional travel or stuff like that from what I remember. How many people have actually ever even heard of this character, to justify a movie around some version of her?
The Venom movies are pretty bad, but at least they feature a rather popular and basss lead character...
Same. That's was my first time learning about this character. From what I know she is supposed to be just this mentor figure for Spiderman like the ancient one in Dr strange. There's no way you can write a whole movie about her.
I'm pretty convinced that the reason Venom gets the random engagement it does is from the relationship between Venom and Eddy. I think the two have just enough chemistry to get people back just for the charm for those two, probably just because they remember them fondly, subconsciously anyways lol.
Let’s be honest all anyone wants from Madame web is for Sydney to have a series of wardrobe malfunctions as everyone else gets Fridged one by one
Then in spider man 4 we can get Sydney and zendaya fighting for spider bag supremacy
Even Sydney really isn’t much to look
At when dressed like a depressed librarian
I miss when comic movies had gratuitous hotness
Boobs + muscle + heroism and unhinged villainy = billions
My favourite part of the trailer is when Madam Web drives over to the field where her alcoholic dad is comically crop dusting the wrong field and when he lands she says to him " Lucas's farm is on the other side of town! "
Fantastic
Skywalker Ranch??!!!
I had no idea what "Madame Web" even was until I started seeing videos from you in my subscriber's feed about what a big flop it was gonna be.
I guess that speaks for itself, doesn't it?
I legitimately forgot there was a Venom 2.
So many flops thesedays we really need to make we distinguish the severity beyond opening predictions. Like from a range of Aquaman 2 (big flop) to The Marvels (epic flop). Opening predictions alone doesn't establish that, since Aquaman 2 actually opened lower than The Marvels, but made twice as much.
I couldn’t believe the marketing for Madame Web “marvel going in a all new direction”. No its M She U and its all we have got since End Game.
Can't sell spiderman without spiderman.
I need to know more about this Stuckman beef. I'm missing something, but it's hilarious everytime I hear it.
They obviously wanted to make a female Spider-person movie.
So why not use the second most successful Spider-person, behind Peter, his daughter May-Day, Spider-Girl. She is literally the only other Spider-person who could carry their own title.
She sold better than Miles ever has.
Plus Toby is the perfect age to play her father.
Brilliant. It'll never happen, because then she'd naturally ask her positive father figure, Spider-Man, for advice. I'm guessing they're setting it up so Spider-Man has to ask Madame Web for advice. Then she'll chide and emasculate him, and he'll screw up because he failed to heed her advice. Then in the end, she'll suddenly rescue him and 'show him how it's done'.
At least they hired some symetrically inclined women this go around. 2 of which i believe, have exposed their goodly bits for the world to see! 4 of which, were spectacular!
"It's a period movie"
-Despot of the Obvious
It’s a good point about the Venom movies. I’ve watched both of them and I can’t remember what they was about 🤷🏾♂️🤔
The second it was revealed Spider-Man wasn't in Morbius it was literally dead-on arrival. Only reason anyone showed interest was because they were expecting one of the Spider-Man's from No Way Home.
Hollywood makes all of these cringe girl boss movies, only for them to flop every time
Ikr? It’s weird how they think this CW level films would have an audience?
Yea but they weren't *real* girlboss movies, a real girlboss movie hasn't been tried; the *next* time it's definitely going to work.
@@crazyralph6386 If Superman and Lois was a movie, I'd watch it. Really good show. Not everything on CW is bad.
I like that Dungeons & Dragons is so embedded into the culture, that "Chaotic Neutral" is an aspect of psychology now
Well they put in some major research effort into the alignment chart for 3.5. Even going into the philosophical meaning of Good and Evil in the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness respectively. It sounds bizarre, but I've still got those two books because damn if the examination of the game mechanic meaning of Good and Evil isn't fascinating.
@@Sorain1 all that was well established in 1e. All the Dragon Magazine articles are free online
My favorite part of Madam Web trailers was when she said, "I see spiders!"
And the other strong wahmen asked, "How often do you see them?"
And she replied, "ALL THE TIME!!"
It was the scene of all time.
Haley Joel Osment: I see dead spiders!
@@davidanderson_surrey_bc everywhere!
Did you consider that the films flopping is also helping with job security of executives? If Marvel would still earn billions with each movie, any director that is making less would be in trouble. Now since everything flops the same directors can point to other failing movies and say it is not their fault. Also since they had be success at one point, they can't be fired since they are needed to fix the things that are broken.
Bob Iger got a massive pay increase while the projects he is responsible for lately are all turds. Gunn is probably just earning millions just by showing up for work.
Venom does well because of Tom Hardy. It's as simple as that.
He was the only reason I watched it, I did enjoy it, though.
I keep thinking the Irish guy is actually lifting a glass
Andrew Garfield should get his 3rd movie in combo to Venom getting his. We can see Spiderman "not pulling his punches" as he described in No Way Home. The Venom Symbiote can initially attach to this Spidey and help give him the edge over his opponents. Hardy can help talk sense into him and get Venom back, then team up to beat the final villain. Maybe throw in Black Cat as an ally too, introduce MJ at the end. It doesn't need to be that complex.
I liked the part where Madam Web said "play again Sam" and he just glared at her, got up from the piano and walked out of the room in disgust.
One of the movies of all time!
No truer words.
Yup, it will be such a movie!
Id 100% rather see morbius 2 morbin time. Than madame web. Lol
Madam Webb: Webbin Time!
as sad as this sounds.. never underestimate the potential pulling power of sydney sweeny in a skin tight spidewoman costume, especially after a few beers 🤣
Not using Sydney Sweeney as Black Cat is baffling.
Studios actually think men care about Sydney Sweeney for her “acting” lol 😂
Yup. Both of her acting prowesses...
@@LordHollowit's really impressive
This movie will break records; just not the ones they were hoping for. 😂🎉
Excuse me fellas you left out Tom Cruise and the incredible “monster” universe flop!
Aw. All the slagging off of Stuckmann. He seems like a nice dude
I believe the draw with Venom was that everyone knew, even with the liberties they took with his origin, eventually he'd cross paths with Tom Holland's Spiderman.
They teased it after Strange screwed up the multiverse.
Of course, everything is pretty much shot to hell now.
The multiverse was already a complicated storyline, but any DECENT WRITERS could have made something of it.
I don't understand the Disney business model and I stopped trying a long time ago.
Sony seems to be following suit.
How do you try to put Morbius behind you? By taking two of their writers and giving them the chance to do worse.
GENIUS 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Can we agree that gotg was the best an worst thing to happen to the MCU
💯💯. Yep. And gotg 3 was where I stopped. Glad I did.
The worst thing to happen to the MCU was Disney+.
I understand many like Guardians 3, but it has no rewatch value like the first movie.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 GOTG3 definitely has re-watch value. It's a great movie that focuses on the characters. Endgame has no re-watch value. That movie's cracks start to show real quick without the hype surrounding it.
@@TableCreed Respect, but we can agree to disagree about Guardians 3, but I do agree about Endgame. I hated that movie. I used to get hate for saying that. Hulk was a joke, Thor was a joke, the writing was lazy and full of plot holes, it also opened the door for the current mess in the MCU.
Why is Sony doing a Venom 3?
Venom 2: $506 million gross vs budget of $110 million. Sony made at least $80 million from the movie (assuming 50% share from gross less budget less marketing ((50% of budget)).
Venom 1: $856 million gross vs. budget of $100 million. Sony made at least $230 million from the movie.
Those movies were barely watchable, and they are still making more money than the sh*t Disney has released in 2023. If Venom 3 keeps its budget at around $120 million (+60 marketing), they "only" have to gross about $400 million to make money.
These executives dont get it. Make GOOD movies based on heroes people LIKE. imagine spending $100M to make Super nobody that exactly nobody wants to see.
I'm ready for madame web. I like the final destination vibes