New Ram 3500 Cummins Takes On Our 30,000 Lbs MPG Challenge Against GMC & Ford Diesels!
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- ( www.norstarcompany.com ) New 2020 Ram 3500 Cummins Diesel Takes On Our 30,000 Lbs Towing MPG Challenge Against GMC 3500 Duramax & Ford F-350 Power Stroke Diesels!
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It has an alarm if you overload the air system.
Yup. Even the 2015-18 had that
it should have a gauge like a big truck to know your weight or at least air pressure
Wind wont effect a trailer I tow over 20k all the time. You bet wind changes everything.
exactly what is this old dood in the video even saying
Exactly! Wtf! May not effect the trailer but whats on it will and how much wind there is during a given time
Wind will affect your MPG's , in fact it's the biggest factor lol
Wind will affect that flat bed and excavator, though probably not as much as a enclosed trailer. One time I was pulling a small travel trailer going west in the Columbia river gorge. We met a very strong headwind and although we would have had plenty of fuel if not for that, the fuel mileage dropped a huge amount and we would have run out of fuel a 100 miles sooner than anticipated. We had extra fuel cans in the truck bed thankfully, because we had to stop and add it. The strong wind made a huge difference, but any wind affects mileage, especially a head or tail wind.
I have a 17 Ram 3500 with 4.10’s and it does not get great mpgs. Combine that with the small fuel tank and you are constantly pulling over for fuel which adds a lot of time to a trip. Not surprised at the mpg of this test. Great work TFL as always showing what to expect in the real world!
yfz450rx I have a transfer tank in the bed for fueling equipment so I dont have room for one. I think my only option is to try and get a larger aftermarket fuel tank that would replace the stock fuel tank.
Should have opted for the 55 gal tank. Only $550 more.
You have the gas engine with the 4.10 gears?
Putting your straps outside the rail can get you a DOT ticket. When I was a truck driver got pulled over as such. You have to put your straps between the side and rail.
Then you were cited by misinformed Diesel Bears. That's not a violation.
@@wbball15 Wrong. It is a violation. Not to mention, it's common sense. What do you think the rub rail is for.....looks?
@@wbball15 I am a truck driver as well, and this is common knowledge that it is a violation to put your straps over the outside of the rub rail. We even had a Texas state trooper who was the director of that region come to our company when we were in the oil field and tell us that it is probably the number one violation they nailed people for.
Good catch, interesting point. That's because they can break if the trailer rubs against something, right?
Running all three manufacturers Diesels on the same loop = A Great test! I agree that the 6 speed might be hurting the Ram's mileage. If I remember right, the Chevy and Ford ran at lower RPM than the ~2000 RPM@70mph that Ram ran. With the longest stroke of the three engines, I would think the optimal RPM for the Cummins would be lower than it was for the V-8 engines.
It is. Peak is about 1600 for the Cummins.
Because the Ram was running in 5th gear. Tow/haul mode locks out 6th gear. Put that Ram in 6th and it would’ve gotten much better mileage
@@CarbonPower Tow haul doesn't lock out the overdrive on my Ram?
@@CarbonPower it does not lockout top gear. It's adaptive computer learning as you go. On my 15' and 20' 5500's it will go into 6th gear while in tow haul mode, but thats maybe cause the engine knows its working a lot less since the trucks are equipped with 4.88 gears.
@@joshpodolsky7740 how much mpg do you get with your 5500 when towing?
I absolutely love the effort you all put into these videos, its invaluable and is unparalleled. Thank you guys!
You're welcome
Love watching your guys videos in the morning it really makes my day
great
Having a 31 gallon tank would get annoying hauling heavy loads. My F-150 even has a 36 gallon tank.
Gunnar Johnson
I got the big tank in my F-150
It costs over $100 to fill with 87 octane.
but it also goes about 600 miles on that tank.
Agreed. The 50 gallon tank should be standard
I upped my main tank in my old F350 to 67 gallons. The range is awesome...
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Long bed or short bed? I'm looking to up mine to more in an F350 short bed.
Lol my tank is 200 to fill... Sucks ass
Good information as usual. Nice job.
I think 70 mph for any of these pickups towing 30,000 lbs is too fast. They may be able to move the weight, but controlling the weight in an emergency situation is another thing. As for the mileage while towing that much weight, I don’t really care which is better. For me and my use pulling a 10,000 to 15,000 lb RV, it’s about the environment I’m sitting in, and Ram has that nailed. In my opinion, the interior of the Ram is far and away better than the bland interior in either of the others. They can all haul dramatically more weight than most of us will ever attempt, and for more miles than most will ever keep the truck, but it’s the quality of the experience from inside the truck that matters to me.
Nice spin!
I've pulled my little car hauler at 70mph but if I'm trying to make money I'm comfortable with the MPG at 62 and letting everyone blow by and keep me out of the clusters.
You gotta do the math for yourself but in my particular case it saves about 10 grand in fuel over a year with minimal productivity loss.
Slow and steady and easier on the brakes and tires.
@Fortz DR Ram fan boy?
Ford Has Always Had The Best Interior of All Big 3 Manufacturers. Lets Just Be Honest!
I really want to see the Ike challenge and this one with a deleted truck to actually see if the emission equipment really kills mpg like everyone says
I have a 2022 basically same truck, I run mine in tow haul mode around town and on back roads with lots of elevation change but On flat highways I run the transmission in standard mode which gives me better fuel mileage and that’s towing over 15,000 pounds on a daily basis, Thanks for the great review I really enjoyed all your reviews
Your straps are supposed to be inside the rail not outside to protect the straps.
The accessory chain is loose, that is an automatic OOS as it is not secured as required as well.
I’m like all three but my biggest expectation is dependability and warranty coverage.
Dont get a dodge if youre looking for reliablity
The Rap Game that’s true, you can always rely on it sitting in the drive bc it won’t start
@@luketurner384 chevy isnt reliable either... we have a winner... FORD
I prefer the old models that lasted lifetime dont you agree?
The Rap Game all day every day, OBS 7.3’s are badass, I drive a 2012 5.0 F-150 rn and love every second of it
@@therapgame1091 Are you sure that's the case with the Cummins + Aisin transmission?
We have a 17 tradesman 3500 and when you have a trailer on and you turn the exhaust break and shut the truck off and turn it back on the exhaust break will come back on as well.
Temp tag on the trailer about to fly off
Do a shoot out with the Ram 5500 and the new Chevy 5500.
Shane Beylund and F550
@@icare7151 No need for a 10 speed with the Cummins. 8 or 9 speed with good gear splits would be perfect.
@@icare7151 what’s the point? With the outstanding energy curve of the Cummins there’s no need. Energy from bottom to top
@@rjterry21 even better with the g56 when it comes to towing
@@whitebison6.749 There's no benefit to the manauls when it comes to towing these days, that's why they're all gone on the pickups and just about gone on Semi's. They're less efficient and causes more driver fatigue.
Bring them all back with 20,000 miles on them then see what the mpg’s are.
Out of the 15 new trucks off all brands my mileage doesnt change.
AMURIKA
Josh Szydel cummins ALWAYS changes
@@jorgeosorio8459 I've owned 16 cummins trucks.
@Wheel bearing Looks like TFL found the next test they need to perform.
If I close my eyes and listen to Mr. Truck speaking it's like having Tommy Lee Jones narrating the story. Gotta love Mr. Truck!
SPOT ON observation. I was thinking the same exact thing LOL!
@R AJ Reefer
Thanks, I thought I sound like Elvis
Fewer gears didn't help the other trucks had a lot more to work with still impressive that the truck did that well with only a 6 speed!
Nice job on the cutaways to the Ford and GMC.
I would reeeeally love to see a RAM VS RAM comparison. 3500 with the HO vs 3500 with the non HO Cummins. Drag race, mpg, Ike or any towing test. Just a full on powertrain comparison
HO has an impressive jump in power, even more than advertised.
@@sHoRtBuSseR It would be cool to see if it really translates to any difference on the road!
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 They pull better going off personal experience. A similar load of 34 foot beavertail hauling an 8 ton excavator I noticed the HO right away after the switch.
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 dually limited with HO 6.7 and aisin trans, crew cab long bed. The fuel tank size is one of my only complaints, glad to see they now have larger tank option. I don't do many long trips but towing my 24' boat with trailer tongue to outboard engine 33'-6" from NC to Fl keys approx 900 miles, GA and FL don't seem to have many truck stops on I95. Even though the truck gets decent mileage, most of my trip is getting that truck/trailer combo into convenient stores for fuel. If Ram comes out with the HO6.7 with allison trans, I will be one of the first to order a 3500 dually limited, and of course with the 50 gal fuel tank option. They should make the 50 gal tank standard.
I am thinking the 6 speed VS 10 speed using more mpg, also Laramie trim level with all the bells and whistles and the fact Ram is the nicest interiors in the game. Great video TFL
Everyone In here forgetting most important part. Look at the ambient temps on dash’s when doing these tests. Makes a HUGE difference. They should’ve all been done same day, same time.
Dang, the Ford pulled the hardest on the Ike gauntlet, AND got the best fuel mileage! Ford's on a roll. 👏
I personally have always been a Ford fan just what I grew up around and its nice to see them still putting the work in to make a good truck.
Ford giving a smackdown!
I miss the days when ya got excited because your truck had power windows , power locks and A/C.
I agree 100% now days I truly believe all the tech in these trucks makes the roads way more dangerous! Now any Joe smoe can latch onto almost anything and act like he knows what he's doing, until all that tech goes out and have to rely on experience and talent for driving and it won't be there!
@@bigjohn5104 that goes for cars too...lol
It was fancy if it came with a tape deck
For the air system it does let you know if you are over payload. The bags will only air up to certain point and should notify on dash. Could be different in the 3500 models. It for sure on the 2500 air system
I have a question as you drive the heavy duty trucks in all conditions, especially snow and ice. I have driven the Ram 3500 dually Mega cabs since 2012. Summer pulling mini excavators, skid steers, but mainly our 5th wheel toy hauler to races. I purchased a 2019 F-450 for the better turning radius, brakes, (at the time) 48 gallon fuel tank over the Ram. Like the truck, but on snow/ice covered roads I have found myself fighting it and stressed. I have Toyo m655 tires on it currently. On the icy, snow roads I am only pulling a box trailer bumper pull. To the point, in winter driving do you still prefer the turning radius of the wide track f450, or the normal stance of a Ram 350, both long bed crew cabs. Just trying to be clear and direct in comparison. Sincerely, Lee
Tow haul has always done that on rams
Their point is that the other manufacturers are adding that feature so people don’t have to turn it back on when they are towing long distance.
I really like how ram gives you a sunny D pull-top to stuff in the tank fill. is that an option?
Jade bylund Lol good 1 😆
I think that's just a transport plug you're supposed to throw away. My welder came with those. Lol.
It's a "limited edition, special option" dealer add-on. The sunny d cap adds an extra $1,200 to the sticker price. Lol
Here it comes!!!
Can you load it with the engine and key off to check for squat and then turn it on and allow it to level out?
There would really be no point to that, it has an overload warning that tells you if you're overloaded
The fuel mileage increasing as the diesels break in I always thought was a myth, but i've only bought used diesels until this year and it's crazy how much better the fuel mileage gets the more miles I put on it. So yeah test this sucker again with more miles on it.
Guys when you hook up your yellow straps please run them inside the rub rail coming from the ratchet spools. Yes it works but the DOT would tell you different. Yes I’m a Class A over the road professional truck driver. So please watch that in your future test. Please verify that fact if you like. I’m for the GMC 3500 HD. Liked & Subscribed
Great job guys alway entertaining
Thanks
I like Mr truck but Andre is a just cool dude. I have a lot of respect him and his genuine info presentation. keep up the good work Andre.
He's the professor, great memory and he likes details
@@MrTruckTV he's the man. BTW, I purchased my 2018 High output Ram because of you guys. Thanks for the honest reviews and the genuine approach to it all.
@@theoiv You're welcome
MrTruckTV 👍😀
Not bad considering the load Keep On Truckin tfl👍
Your strap isn’t supposed to go on the outside of the rub rail. It’s a rub rail for safety if ever you sideswipe something or flip the trailer, then the rail rubs and protects your strap. The rub rail isn’t for attaching the strap nor should the strap be on the outside. Putting the strap on the outside give no safety to your strap in an accident, then a rubbed or cut strap will release the load and you’d lose the load. Same for chains. Behind the rub rails. Love you guys and love the channel, I’m not trying to come off as an ass but to help you improve your safety and knowledge.
Does diesel #1 vs #2 make a big difference in fuel economy?
Getting 15.4 just driving around with nothing right now in my newly built 2022 ram 3500 very curious to know full load mpg
Any chance that this truck entered regen during the loop? Regen will murder your fuel economy. Other than that, this engine is still 9k miles from being broken in.
All Ram trucks equipped with factory air ride suspension will tell you when they are overloaded (1500, 2500, 3500, etc.).
I have to ask about the rear gear ratio of all 3 of these trucks, were they all the same?
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but did all three trucks have the same rear ends? Also, I am thinking the Cummins HO should have better MPGs due to the increased HP and Torq?
When are you going to release the Tremor review? I thought it was January 21st, but I am not able to locate.
It's on the TFLoffroad channel.
Supa Doopa, I do not find the review that they advised was to deliver on January 21st once the Tremor was delivered and again referenced when they compare diesel vs. gas Tremor they mention to stay tuned and see the full review first thing morning of the 21st and I’m searching all of their channels I am still not able to locate
My 19’ 3500 has the 4.10 and it’s happy place is 65-68 mph for fuel mileage. If the truck in the video has a 4.10, the observed 6 mpg at 70 mpg with 30k lbs behind it seems par for the course, even with only 1,200 miles on the clock.
Should be the same for all the diesels. the same was true for my 6.7 Powerstroke. I would like to see them do this test for 100 miles or more at 60mph....that a more realistic daily speed for that much weight.
My 2018 3500 also has the 4.10 and you're spot on with the 65-68 mph sweet spot.
I’m amazed how much DEF tucks use. The only diesel I have that’s new enough to use it is my VW. It uses about 3 gallons every 5k miles.
In Canada we cover grills at that weather - you don’t want your EPG not to regen
Ford is killing these other trucks! Minutes ahead in an 8 mile race pulling 30,000 lbs. Using only 12 ounces more fuel but going much faster under load. Then when going the same speed 1.8 miles per gallon better than the Ram = 38 gallons of savings every 1,000 miles. 38 gallons x $3 per gal = $114.00 over 100,000 miles is $11,400.00 in fuel alone. Way to go FORD!
I’m interested to see what happens with a 10-speed behind a Cummins.
Yes All Three Of Them Are Very Good Trucks
Very instrumental test
Yup if I had the budget I would put everything to the rest thank you so much
My 2001 Ram 1500 gets 0mpg with 20,000lbs and 6 mpg unloaded
Could you guys pleeeease do a towing test comparing the same truck “ram, ford or Chevy heavy duty”, but with different axle ratios side by side? Like 3.55 or 3.73 vs 4.10 or 4.30. I hear aaaall the time which is better for different reasons. But I want to seeee the difference!!! Fuel economy, 0-60 empty and towing, and the time difference running up the Ike gauntlet 👍
Especially with these new 9 and 10 speed transmissions, I would think you could run 4.10s and gear the transmission ratios to take advantage of that from gears 1-7 but still have a couple high overdrive gears so it still handles the highway well.
Axle ratios have less importance when paired with wide range transmissions(these 10 speeds) the fact that the Duramax with the least torque and the "worst" axle ratio kept up with the Ram. My semi truck has a 3.25 and I'm keeping up with trucks that have 4.10s and I always run 140k (b-train fuel tanker) consequence is, I get way better mileage on the flat than they do.
@@jnk26 interesting. But does it struggle a little more on steeper grades? I don't know how much of a problem steep grades are for you actual truckers. Probably more of a problem here in the west.
jnk26 it’s more about knowing just how much “however little” it does make. I want to see mpg to mpg and time to time, both empty and towing. side by side with the same truck and two different ratios. Same day, trailer, and amount of gears. It’s a test I never see done and I’m tired of just hearing and reading what the difference is. I want to see exactly how much it changes
I vote 3:73 truck will tow very well (not the Max tow). And the truck will cruise nicely. Ive had two diesels one had 3:55,other 3:73 and drove my dads f350 with 4:10. All around the 3:73 is nicest doesn’t have to hunt gears to shift. But doesn’t scream very loudly going down the road like a truck with 4:10 will going 70mph.
What blend of diesel was used? #1 gets less mpg compared to #2.
It's winter, the pumps in Colorado always blend the two
Mr. Truck, not sure if you know this but straps are suppose to be run inside the rub rails not outside. If you rub up against something you can cut the strap the way you have it. DOT could give you a warning or improper load securement violation
What I find in trucks in Europe is that the ones that use very little DEF they are heavy on diesel but the ones that use more DEF are better on fuel. I kinda knew where the fuel mileage was going from the DEF use. RAM need more gears and a better final drive to get the mileage.
I really think the lack of a 10 speed is the biggest difference though. 4 extra ratios to keep the truck at the most efficient part of the powerband for towing that weight is huge
@@BradChadley or a manual with a range change, 6 over 6
@@theworldaccordingtochris4370 Yea, that too. I don't believe that will ever make its way into American 1 ton dually pickups, but it would certainly be interesting.
@@BradChadley I don't see why some clever engineering type couldn't build one from a RAM with manual gearbox. A friend of mine use to add overdrive gears to manual gearboxes years ago.
Ford has run the table with the 2020 superduty
nope
Le Chat Botté yep
Wind 💯 completely effects these trucks. With or without a trailer!
How mpg would get if running with the dame weight at 50-55 mph?
Should I get a single axle Semi because it's about the same Mpg
for hauling 5 cars
You could, but you should consider maintenance cost for each. Maintaining a Class 6 or 7 truck is a different game. We do not have an exact cost analysis for this right now.
I hauled cars with a 6/7 car Kaufman for a few years. I would say even for a 5 car trailer it is worth getting the class A truck. MPG will be near identical, but you will be MUCH more comfortable in the class A. And this Ram is probably 80 thousand out the door. A VERY well maintained modern class A can be had for 40-50k. And in the long run a class A will be more durable and cheaper to run. They are built to work all day every day under heavy loads. If you read forums for car haulers, people using non commercial trucks are replacing transmissions and differentials as frequently as every 40k miles or less. Whereas a class A is built to run 500K plus miles between major services. And servicing one of these new diesel trucks is honestly not much cheaper than servicing a big class A. Unless you really don't want to deal with the size, the class A is the better choice all around. Hope this helps somewhat. Best of luck whichever way you go 👍
Get a dual axle and haul 8 for more money.
Ford for the win! It's nice to see Ford win in fuel economy for once. The Ford engineers really got it right this time.
i wonder which one was the most comfortable to sit in for a long haul
4.10 gears is what killed the mpg. Do the same test of all three trucks at 60 mpg and now Ram with 4.10 will eat Ford and Chevy for breakfast! 😎💪💨💨💨💨
If you were towing 30k for 100,000 miles, the difference between the f350 and the ram is over $11,000 in fuel savings. That’s significant
Yep if you only drove the Ram on windy days, and the Ford on calm days.
@@sonsofliberty3081 that is what he said
Sweet! 💪 now you need to test the 6.4 hemi with the new 8speed “non-power wagon”
I'm one that isn't going to max out a dually. I'm curious about what the mileage between them all would be for under 26,000 pounds gcwr.
srw 12k truck and a 14k trailer?
Well it's a great truck period I have hauled 50k total with my ram 2500. It handled it fine
No heat issues or other issues I could easily get it up to 80 mph if I wanted I kept it down around 65. With that much weight touch speed will be a handful Incase a blow out or other issues have fun guys. Keep them frames straight
I'm not surprised to see that the Ram came in 3rd on the mileage as Dodge isn't known for fuel mileage in many of its vehicles. I will say in a HD truck it isn't always about the mileage as how much you can tow or haul.
Has absolutely nothing to do with Cummins
@@doddgarger6806 I never said it did.
After owning a third gen cummins I said I’d never buy a Chrysler product again. But that is nice.
Haha yeah I agree. I have a '14 3500 ram with the Cummins. The engine is great, but everything else broke. I learned my lesson.
I've had zero issues with my 2nd 3rd or 4th gens....
Joe Georgia had zero issues with my 2016 Cummins!
You guys having good success with Ram trucks obviously don’t pull much n have your truck at bone stock power if you have had zero transmission and head gasket issues and haven’t done head studs and built transmission lol or are still at low mileage n drive like a grandpa
John Doe If you have a HO Cummins with an Aisin Transmission and bone stock power I’m not surprised if you don’t have issues but add any power and ur toast
Excellent job as always guys, love your videos! So, it seems like the best HD truck is a GMC exterior, cameras and bed, a Ford drivetrain and gas tank, and a RAM interior and tech...
Roman, has tfl been offered to be purchased by a car manufacturer?
How about a SRW v DRW towing test? Chevy v Chevy Ram v Ram.... etc
Please try the ram 5500 and ford F550 or even 2020 Ford F600
No difference between F-550 and F-600
Well apparently the f600 is only available with a gas engine
Honestly Ford has come along way but we as consumers need to start putting pressure on our favorite brands and on the big three to really push the envelope and provide us with efficient reliable machines especially if we are depending bon them for a business and paying almost the price of a small house for it. Videos like this are great and hopefully the brands use them to improve and also hopefully the competition forces each to improve.
I think they should offer a purpose built work truck, each brand. And by that I don't mean the regular trucks just stripped of all the cool tech inside I mean one that has bigger or better key were items ball joints u joints suspension ect while at the same time not having plastic inside so cheap that it doesn't even fit right new, I guess a line of work trucks not cheap trucks if that makes sense.
So did the other trucks have 5k miles? I feel like sometimes you give excuses for Ram. I watch all your videos on all the channels so I enjoy them all! Keep kicking butt and Andre good luck on the CDL.
It was probably doing a regen which uses more fuel
If it was doing a Regen dont you think that it would of used the most DEF fluid out of all three trucks?
@@trevorschield8195 i don't think def usage changes during a regen
@@mmmmurphy so what is Def fluid used for then?
@@trevorschield8195 reduces N0x. maybe it does consume more because more fuel is being burned during a regen but i don't know if its enough that you would notice. you definitely can tell you use more fuel during a regen.
@@trevorschield8195 def fluid itself has nothing to do with the regen. The regen can happen either actively or passively based on conditions. Passively being under the right conditions exhaust gas tempt can get high enough for long enough to burn anything in the dpf with no action required by the computer. Active regens actually dump raw fuel into the system to help heat the dpf up to temp to burn it all off. According to Cummins the 6.7 uses def at a rate of 2-3% of your fuel usage so in only 66 miles you would notice an active regen on your mpg but you'd be talking about a far less noticeable change in def.
Can you do a 7.3 gas vs power stroke tow comparison? I’m currently trying to decide between the two
Biel Mèlich Artés 25,000 GVWR. It’s a toy hauler and I’m thinking about service intervals as well as the tow capacity. Don’t wanna over stress a gas motor towing that pretty much everyday.
Joshua Finke get a diesel because the 7.3 gas is rated at 15,000 lbs
Diesel will get 50% better fuel mileage empty or towing than the 7.3 gas.
In the case of 3/4 tons in general, is it even worth it to buy a diesel? The 7.3 pretty much maxes out most of the trucks capacity. I could see a diesel being worth it if there is a significant mpg difference loaded and unloaded. Otherwise the power is there at least for the 7.3.
@@Datsun7705 What trim and what rear gear? TFL just smoked the ike gauntlet with a 7.3 towing a 16,000 lb trailer. Made it up the pass at 8 minutes and some change. Way faster than the Gas Chevy.
I am going to get my first truck soon and I was thinking either the 94-01 Dodge Ram 1500 or a 99-06 Silverado. Which one is more reliable and which one should I get?
Silverado hands down with minor maintenance the motor will go 400+
I'm a Ford guy and I'll tell you get the Chevy. To me Dodge has never had a leg in the race. The battle has always been between Ford and Chevy, Dodge is just that third wheel trying to fit in.
Sales figures are a bit, idk watered down, most people now days buy a truck and never put anything heavier than grocery's in it. They do look good, I won't argue that. Also anymore no brand is what they used to be. Can't hardly work on any of them with a computer and a tech manual lol
Man that 3.04 diesel 😅🥲😪😪😪
Nice Job Ford! Home run in my book. Love the competition of the big 3 which benefits us all. Can you really go wrong with any of them? Probably not. But man...the Ford is dominating.
Ford hit a Grand Slam with the mpg loop.
they had to limit the test to 66 miles because the Ford couldn't go any farther without a mechanic shop😅
@@tomlarge8841 Haters gonna hate!! :)
@@ModernCountryLiving it’s true. What’s the point of better mpg on a 66 mile route whenever the truck isn’t reliable on long hauls.
@@piglet7943 I am sorry that was your experience. Ford has regularly topped the consumer reports HD truck reliability ratings. Though, to be fair, none of the HD are super stellar compared to a Toyota.
I'd buy any of the HD trucks. To say one is worse than the other needs to be based on real data...not a single point data....but tens of thousands of instances of reliability data. I'd put lots of miles of Ford super duty trucks and so has my dad. He has also owned Ram and GM within his construction firm and he's buying Ford vs them based on what he likes and his reliability experiences.
I think the Ford has the best looking body by far! As far as the three engines go, I don't think Cummins has the edge any longer. All 3 engines are very capable and dependable as long as you use the trucks as intended. I personally would go with the Ford and then the GMC. I personally don't have any confidence in the Fiat Chrysler brand. With this said I'd rather save a bunch of money and buy a used truck that still has lots of life left on it. You can't go wrong with a Cummins swapped Ford or a Ford with a bullet proofed 6.0 liter engine. Bill at powerstroke specialities will tell you that nothing compares to the reliability of a properly built 6.0 powerstroke. He has the history that shows it.
Going with your "use trucks as intended" a thing I've seen many times over the years is people not using Motorcraft fluids in there Ford's. There are parts in those vehicles that need that specific fluid. My wife's Mountaineer Premier a pretty pricey ya know fancy explorer I picked up for 300$ because to have it fixed the people where going to have to shell out 10k (or so there mechanic said) all that was wrong was the timing chain tensioners got hard and broke off the metal arm, due to running cheap oil that did not have the additives. The truck now has almost 200k on it and haven't touched it. ( had 80k) my Mazda 3.0(Ranger) has 256k no problems my explorer 5.0 has 276k no problems. I mean Ford even makes there own antifreeze lol
@@bigjohn5104 The timing chain issue is just known for the 4.0, and that V6 was known to be the most catastrophic when failed. The 3Valve 5.4 comes second. Some 4.6 and 2V 5.4 are also known for timing chain issues. Good engines under the timing chain issues I still had 320K on my 5.4 and she ran great. Honestly regret trading it in, but the timing chain rattled on start for 60+K miles. Never gave up, but it's just a Ford issue. My old Grand Marquis had the rattle at 180K but went away with a motorcraft oil filter. Fluids matter less as long as the API ratings are right, but definitely buy factory oil filters. They're not fans of weak drain back valves.
Im from the uk and wish we could run these configurations
The straps aren’t needed since the chains are present. Not sure what the straps are for?
Need to retry with a 50 gallon tank cause that may also add more weight to the over all weight and affect the mpg on the truck as well
150lbs of fuel makes ZERO difference...
My f150 has a bigger fuel tank.
Haha agreed my sploder and wife's merc mountaineer don't have a much smaller tank lol
Great results guy,
On the transmission 6 speed vs 10 speed won’t help with that much weight. I could assure you ford and GM did not see 8,9, or 10th gear with 30k on its back. However unloaded would make a small difference though..
Do a video on how easy each truck is to de-DEF. That's what i want to know. It should be a setting from the menu with a strongly worded warning don't do this unless it zombie are coming or you want better fuel economy. You know like track mode.
Hopefully this will be incentive for ram to go with Allison to replace the aisin. Ide love to have that 9 speed behind a Cummins 😍
If Ram pulls the trigger and goes to the Allison I think they own the market place
Mike Hunt - or maybe even an actual Allison 10 speed or a ZF 10 speed. Or how about going like a big truck with a 12 or 13 speed. What ever they do I think they need a transmission with a wide enough spread to be able to have a 3.42 rear end. I thing the 3.73 is a big part of what’s hurting their mpg’s. Straight 6’s really do seem to work better at lower rpm’s.
knightwing4 I honestly think 3.73 is the sweet spot for towing and mpg. Even with more gears. Semis typically run 3.73 or 3.55 at the least even with 18 Speeds. And it would be nice to get the Allison, I see them using there 9 speed since that is what Allison is pushing right now. And if they get a ZF “which is likely” will probably be an 8speed. They already run ZF 8speeds in the 1500 and now the 2500/3500 with the 6.4 hemi. As well as ZF has been testing the new 8speed they developed on a 2015 ram 3500. But we will see 🤷♂️
knightwing4 I believe Ram has dropped the 3.42 in the 2500 trucks. It’s 3.73 with the option to get 4.10 now
knightwing4 used to but not anymore Ford has 1050 ft lb at 1600 whereas Ram High Output only has 880 ft lb at 1600 and 1000 at 1800
The only thing I don’t like about this test is that it’s on winter diesel. Anyone who has driven semi in the winter, you always lose mpg in the winter
Up in Canada the Diesel fuel is #1 to run at very cold temperatures of - 50 C. But that fuel has less BTU per gallon than #2 Diesel. American Diesel runs #2 all year around with 5% - 20% Bio-fuel (plant based) mix that gels like crazy at that same temperature without adding Power Service anti-gel to it.
So what's the combined cost per mile?
I'm glad you mentioned that it was a fresh, non-broken in motor. Not just the Ram, but all 3 of them should see around 10mpg under load once they get broken in. My Cummins (2018 Ram 2500) really got better once it passed 10k.
If you're rolling on the highway a ten speed won't make any bit of difference over a six. It's all down to axle and overdrive ratios. If you are driving in stop and go then a ten speed would have the advantage, but on the highway, no. A four speed with the same overdrive as a six speed would return damn near the same mpg on a highway run provided you are running on relatively flat ground.
With the new diesels there may be some mpg difference depending on Current soot level and Regen
Good point. Maybe a tuner that has forced regen mode should be used prior to the tests.
Yep. And a regen on the IKE could have caused the RAM to drop off like it did in that test. I've had my older Cummins go into a regen up that grade and it definitely slowed the truck.
Yea a forced Regen would be nice , it would also be interesting to see what truck has a higher soot level after the test
@@THEjasonTDI With your accelerator to the floor, the truck won't regenerate.
@@joerapo The best thing to do is just drive it for a much longer distant and include your regen process. Regen is a part of how your engine operates, it's not something you should ignore.
I would like to see this test redone with the new RAM that has the eight speed transmission
you should get a truck with the KarbonKleen system by DynaCert installed in it for testing. The system is claiming they reduce increased fuel efficiency by 30%, reduced NOx, and particulate emission by 65% for starters.
With claims like that it's a scam. Put a Tornado in!
@@geoffmooregm they have been putting them in diesel's all around the world for a couple years now.
Why do the new HD Rams hood look like its not closed all the way?
I would be scared to buy a Ram. Puegot, Fiat, Chrysler does not give me any confidence that they will be getting better.
@@dannystrong8127 I worked 5 years for FCA. Despite sizable employee discount - I never bought one...
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They are saving you a step when look under the hood for those missing ponies!
Exactly why I drive a Ford Superduty!
@@GroovesAndLands you dont use a truck for work either. Rams are the backbone of real world job sites for a reason.
It's a dodge is what it is . Glad to see the Ford stepping up the diesel mileage. The smaller ram engine working harder. You can get the 12" screen for Ford through stage 3 performance. Like knobs better. Big screen goes down lose everything.
Yeah our Dodges fill the job sites for a reason.
Can you guy's test some nolder trucks and see how they compare, like maybe 10 years old.
Nice video. The question I continually ask is would I get better mileage at a slower safer speed? Would you conduct that test please? Thanks