2013 Honda Accord Sport: CVT vs 6 Speed Manual 0-60 MPH Mashup Review
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2013
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2013 Honda Accord Sport with the 189 HP 2.4L engine can be purchased with two transmission options. You can get the new Honda Accord with a CVT automatic transmission with paddle shifters or you can opt for the more traditional 6 speed tranny that you have to row yourself. In another fun and informative TFLcar mile high 0-60 MPH mashup review we test the car with the same engine but pit the CVT automatic against the manual 6 Speed transmission. So which of these two options is the faster way to go. You'll have to watch this TFLcar mashup review to find out.
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Car and Driver got the 6mt Accord in a 6.6 sec sprint to 60mph. I guess that high altitude REALLY hurts this car.
I have a cvt and paddle shifting I do 7.10 0-60. Def the driver
Long live manual transmissions!
Have a'14 with the manual. Great car.
10.7 is actually respectable for the conditions. Lyons CO is about 5300' and since it was stated 92 degrees, that brings a density altitude of 8600'. Ouch, that's hard conditions for any naturally aspirated car. Only 77% of the rated power is actually being produced, or about 145hp.
AT FIRST I DIDNT LIKE THE CVT TRANSMISSION ..BUT THE MPG IS SO GOOD..
I LIKE IT NOW..
Good it was made for commuters like you
NFSINSANE Lol fuck off already... If you were a real driver you wouldn't be looking at accords
+Robert Rivera So, you really don't like the car with the CVT, however will put up with it because you like the mileage? I have purchased 5 new Accords with automatic transmissions, but will NEVER buy another one if CVT in the 4 cylinder is my only option. I hate these CVT transmissions so much, that I would rather buy a used Accord or a Toyota. Many people also complain about poor mileage they are seeing when they drive the car with 4 or 5 passengers and under spirited driving since the engine is constantly stuck in the 4500+ rpm range.
It's been a year ..I put a K&N intake and that seen to put more spring in to it..and yeah the engine will not go pass 45000 rpms..once again ..great on gas..would I buy it again..yes other then oil changes no problems
+Robert Rivera your engine would disintegrate before it reaches 45000 rpms. 4500?
2 secs sound a lot for just a different transmission which is so fuel efficient which means very little loss. I feel the engine tuning also has a role to play. Great job, Honda on the cvt. Shows the engineering excellence of Honda compared to Nissan who have been trying to refine their cvts since the Murrano was launched. Homda was almost 10 years late to the cvt party and they did an outstanding job in refinement.
Damn you Honda for not making a Manuel for the sedan v6 :"(
Seriously..
Yeah you have to find your own Manuel whose stick you can use. :D
Who's Manuel?
At least it doesent have a CVT
+Harris Anwar The V6 Accords get the best transmissions made. A 6 speed auto and a 6 speed manual. Unfortunately, the V6's? They cost nearly $10,000 more than a nice 4 cylinder LX. If they made basic LX V6 models for under around $25,500? They could sell millions of the V6's as well...
Ahh, I love this mashup. My mother has a 11 honda accord and she loves it... in 14 lease will be up and time for a new one!! Great review.
Good comparison. Shows how shifting yourself can be faster than the car. Keep up the good videos.
We're mashing up the Focus ST with the Nismo Juke with the Golf R next week. Please stay tuned.
You were sitting at Redline in the CVT, not max HP. That would result in a significant time difference
You don't understand how torque and power curves work
After it redlines if you push it back into drive you end up getting the car to drop back into the power band a lil bit better it picks up a lil more in the top end...
I think that exhaust for a 4 cylinder family car sounds pretty damn good!
CVT is horrible. I had a 2017 EX Accord CVT. Sold it! Then I heard my aunt was selling her 2006 Accord Automatic. Now I can’t be any happier. This is the real deal!
I love my CVT transmission... I refuel only once a month instead of my friends who have to refuel every two weeks on premium fuel. Wew lad
you are clearly a car guy
I have the 2013 i4 coupe EX-L with CVT, and it gets 7.5 sec 0-60mph. The difference between the sedan and coupe is notable. Worth trying on another video.
I have a 2013 accord manual, best looking generation accord in my opinion.
Great review, love seeing MTs dominate when they're available in "regular" cars. Sure, it may have been hotter while testing the CVT (I assume that Roman wouldn't have been wearing a hoodie in the MT if it were over 90 that day) and there's all the other variability that the guys mention when comparing cars, but 2 seconds is hard to explain away to testing variability.
I am so glad I have a real 6 speed manual transmission. I have an 08 Altima 3.5 SE and with the V6 and a 6 speed gear box....60 mph takes about 5.7..5.8 secs.....very quick for a "family sedan".
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you guys are awesome!!
Why would a CVT have "PADDLE SHIFTERS"??????????
+mikesanto70 Not only that, but CVT's are NOT as efficient as they say they are. If you drive briskly? You can get better mileage out of a 5 speed, 100% of the time and you won't have to put up with a moaning engine all damned day long. It's hard to believe that one of the best transmissions in the world (the Accords automatic 5 speed transmission) was replaced with this piece of crap.
+mikesanto70 to manually control the ratio.. to give you some control over the computer managed.. make very good sense to me.. and you probably wouldn't want to use it in this drag race scenario... you would use it like you would use the overdrive off in an automatic... quickly wake up the engine from a eco cruise condition
+umaxen01 I don't know but I just got my 2016 accord sport CVT and it is fun to drive, fast, responsive, efficient and great mpg compared to my 6 speed auto rav4.
There's a trick to these sports for better 0-60 times. I noticed when I put it in sport mode and just let it go as fast as the cvt let's me you actually have to back off a bit and you can feel it speed up. The bigger trick is put it in sport mode then tap it into first gear. From there when you take off don't touch the shifter and the cars computer shifts it at its max rpm. Doing this gets it into the mid to low 7s.
This is the kind of information I came for. Thanks
FYI: We've posted this comment a dozen times now but they pulled the cars from the local press fleet before we could match them up.
Honda Accords are very strong.
Thank god for Honda continuing to offer manuals.
2014 Accord 2.4 w/ 6 speed. MN to Yellowstone and back. 38.5 mpg. MN 75 mph, SD 80 mph, WY 85 mph, Yellowstone 45 mph. A/C on not much. Calculated and computer were the same at 38.5. What a nice shifter.
there is a 30 degrees difference in temperature between the two tests. I think that would be a factor.
He also did the 0-60 while in S mode and not in D. That makes a difference as well.
Oh alright, bummer. Thanks for the reply!
cvt is designed for fuel ecconomy
i wouldnt guve up a manual for 1 more mpg
Try with a rolling start, say 20 to 70, might get a surprise. Sluggish from a stop is a normal artefact of cvt. Testers know this drive take up characteristic of cvt before they start. These are smooth driving,economical family cars, never intended for the drag strip.
My 2014 maxima cvt transmission is great with a lot of power... But I do wish it had a 6-7 gear auto
Actually really surprised by this. Then I go to look up 0-60 times, and I see 7.6 seconds to hit 60mph in the 4 cyclinder cvt accord. My first surprise was that this thing ran so slow with you guys when my Nissan Altima runs about the same, and maybe takes me 8.5 seconds(CVTs are so very dependent on throttle control), but you guys are squeezing out 10s. Also doing that on an engine that isn't broken in yet. Just seems really off, but either way, it's a commuter, and a good one at that. Keep the older stick shift cars around, we'll be seeing less and less of them.
we must also take into account that manual accord brings half tank of gas and full tank cvt brings it affects weight and acceleration
By doing this the computer does a perfect sport shift and it really does go a lot faster. I have the air intake on it and it screams using the computer sport shift. A lot of people don't know about the fact that in sport mode while using the shifters just put it in first and let the computer do the rest for 0-60.
Some of you folks make me laugh trying to compare a piece of shit Ford to an Accord.The Accord will do 300,000 plus miles with no problem.Your not going to get that out of a Ford Fusion
You made a good point.
300,000 plus miles on CVT with no problem. Sure.
On the old accords from the 1990's yes.
very good point knoe cvts might not have been out then but i had 98 accord v6 with 256k and she just failed on me but hondas are very good cars but the point is if you want a new accord get one without a cvt because they do fail
So CVT has great fuel econ, But no speed, when a 6-speed manual will put a smile on your face in a Non-sport car like an Accord, Gears win like always!!!!
It would go Poof, Then you will need a tow truck and be hauled away... LMAOROF
***** CVT fuel economy is also CATASTROPHIC compared with manual Cars here in Europe Cars Get an Extra 10 MPG for not having a CVT
Here's list of CVT good points :
1 -There are NO GOOD POINTS
2-There are no GOOD POINTS
3- There are no GOOD POINTS
niceguy60
My CVT Accord Sport will get 35-38mpg on the highway and 27-29 in the city. The manual will NOT match those numbers. Modern CVTs are untouchable for fuel econ (except for some dual clutch transmissions). 20 years ago I would agree, CVTs were garbage back then
mrvwbug44 Well after i found out that my 2011 Honda Accord was a previous abused rental car, I went to the dealer to check my credit score and see what type of deals i can get for the 2014 Honda Accord, It was $720 a month thanks to my score, So i bought a 2013 Honda Civic that i got for $15000 they had a few left brand new, and of course the 2014 Civic, why did i get a 2013 Civic over the 2014.....CVT CVT CVT and CVT is garbage. BTW the civic for either 2013 or 2014, Ran me about $500 a month and again thanks to my credit score!!!
***** And i average about 32 city/ 45 Hwy suppose to be 28 City / 39 Hwy
now i wanna see the v6 accord up there
If you like automatics, you shouldn't dislike this CVT. Honda's CVT is the automatic of automatics. It does what it was intended to do just fine. If you're looking to just get to your destination easily and efficiently, the CVT is just right. But if you're buying a CVT looking for an engaging driving experience, you're really buying the wrong transmission. If you're really looking for more driving enjoyment, get a manual. Honda has everyone covered here.
I tried it several ways Cody. I used the paddle shifters - which was slow, left it alone and let the CVT work, which was slightly less-slow and I changed launching techniques... nothing helped. It is a smooth CVT, one of the best I sampled - it's just setup for economy.
One secret i found to accelerate faster in an Outback is to engage sport mode, 1st gear. Right before the redline, switch back into "D". In D it won't redline till 60mph. This way you redline at about 30-40mph and hold the redline.
This is a tough choice.. I'm a manual guy through-and-through, but the CVT Honda has put in the new Accord is truly superb.
I still think I would buy the manual trans, but I applaud Honda on making the best CVT I've ever driven.
100% agree
I like you guys. You guys are such car nerds. LOL!!!!!
Is it wrong that there's a 9-year-old in my head right now going "Yessss!"
I currently own a 2010 civic SI and I'm starting to look around for a replacement. I'd rather go for a 2015 civic SI but I really can't deal with the red seats... In your opinion, would the manual Honda Accord sport be a good compromise? It seems to have similar acceleration?
I would never by a car with a CVT, I'd rather get a manual, despite the heavy traffic where I live!
Calling a 189hp car "Sport" is like calling a 90lb dude "bodybuilder"
This is a great family car. I bought it primarily my wife as it is safe and reliable and traveling to watch our son play college ball. We didn't purchase it for speed. I just sold my Black knight 2010 Dodge Challenger SRT8 manual six speed that had a 6.1 HEMI 425hp. That's an exhaust note. The whole thing with zero to sixty being measured on an accord/fusion is a joke. People also want mpg, sedans without buying a weinie Prius. So if its speed you want, the best bang for the buck is a 2010 SRT8 Challenger manual tranny which can be had for roughly the new price of a 2014 Honda Accord EXl with navi.
Accords are just made for family cars not speeding, if you wanna talk about speed then just get an SI. I got the CVT for family purposes and loving the 40+mpg it gives me :)
Christian Iniguez I had a 2010 civic si coupe and now I have a 2013 accord 4cyl with a 6 speed manual and it doesn't feel slower then the si.. just a lot bigger. but fun too. Does K24w1 engine on the accord are sooo underrated on their HP number.. They make around 200 hp to the crank. not the 181hp that they advertise.
Christian Iniguez Exacto, los que elegimos CVT es por la comodidad en la conducción y por su reducción en el consumo.
Thanks guys! Exciting as usual. I suspect propagandizing manual in US is a bit of uphill battle, as there may be a couple of tens of people who can shift manual there, eh?
Did you try going only part throttle until you started moving then go WOT? It feels like some cars will purposely bog down if you go immediate WOT from standstill.
i did a test and i got around 6 seconds. I have a 2013 sport with ctv and i slammed the pedal in sport mode. I dont think they slam the pedal but gradually accelerate. At 5:50-6:00 he didn't press the pedals before he drove, meaning he didn't goto Gear 1 but stayed in drive-mode essentally. You always have to shift to gear one AFTER shifting it into Sport mode...
My EX-L CVT does 0-60 here in NY in about 7.3 seconds. I know you're probably much higher above sea level but does that really mean a three second difference in time?
AJ Johnson He said the elevation accounted for about a second and a half, but as far as the other 1.5 seconds it may be because paddle shifting and even sport mode without paddle shifting is slower than in D. I usually get better overall acceleration from D, but better responsiveness from paddle shifting. Here in Tampa my Sport is doing about ^^that too.
Philip Jackson That may be possible. Mine feels slower accelerating at low speeds in Sport mode but on the highway it's very responsive.
I think is because they test the 0-60 in the sport mode , and honda put the sport mode , because transmit a weird experience different from D mode , but D mode is faster "tested", the engine react faster and send the car to the redline faster and run faster , I don’t know why they don’t do that to the sport mode , they make the sport mode slower but fell more like a regular auto 😓
These 6MT's pull hard, I can almost keep up with a stock 03 mustang GT 30-80 pull
Speaking of the Focus ST, would you guys ever do a mashup of that and the Fiesta ST?
Depends on the implementation of the dual clutch. The DCT in the Fiat 500L that Nathan tested recently sounded painfully slow, to the point that I think I could shift my Sonic's 6MT faster.
This car in Sport Mode and Eco Mode off has a lot of fun value to it. Took it for a test drive last weekend and Had it to 140km/h without even noticing it. Comfortable and steady at high speed. My 2011 Accord Coupe 5MT I notice more at 140km/h than I did with a 2014 Accord Sport Sedan. PLUS I can drive it in stop and go traffic and be lazy... Must be getting older...yup I am.
The benefit of a Honda CVT is that it can stay in VTEC the whole time during acceleration.
But its not helping it go any faster😂
I jumped on a 2016 red sport cause I found one near by with manual shift. I think it is reasonably fast but I'm finding that with the way I drive my gas mileage is the same as my STI I used to have. I like the car, got it for pretty cheap but now wish I waited and saved more then bought a new STI
AWESOME!!!!
Six speed manual all the way! Manuals are a dying breed and I am traditional.
Makes me miss my old 05 navy blue accord...
That 92F just killed it. And btw for CVT, if u are flooring it, paddle shifter won't help.
You know what? You're not the first person to ask that regarding a CVT-equipped car. The answer is, yes - I let it spool up to about 3,000 rpm, on a pre-recorded run and it was very sluggish. The only CVT car I've driven that allowing the CVT to spool up helped was the Mitsubishi Lancer AWD with theINVECS-III system. It was still slow, but it was a tad faster.
I think the value of WOT is when you want to pull away from a stop in traffic. Going slow before you can punch it would permit other drivers to overtake you. Merging on to a highway from a stop would be especially difficult. Thanks for watching!
I don't know much about sea level differences, but I own a 2013 EX. If you go for a speed run you can trigger higher acceleration by sinking the pedal, lifting off maybe an inch-inch and a half, and popping it back down again. When I need the power I can do this anywhere from 2-4 times before it cranks max. I typically operate at sea level but I have gotten roughly an 8 second 0-60 on a fully automatic by doing this (this is with the EX 4-cyl engine which claims a few horsepower less than the sport). It sounds like you're popping it up a level every time you do it. Same thing used to work for my 09 corolla, I think it has to do with the electronic interface for the acceleration control.
The point of CVT Tran is to be affordable next to multi gear heavy traditional and expensive box. And it is smooth and better on gas.
how about u use the paddles to shift it? maybe itll be much fast then
You guys have not been doing any "mashups" recently. You only put similar cars against each other. Can we please see more of a mixup?
i heard and have seen POV videos, the accord's CVT shifts just like a normal car when you drive normally. its got a more realistic and dramatic RPM drop when it "shifts". its really nice i wouldnt mind one. but when you go full throttle then you notice a CVT isnt really the ideal transmission.
so if i was to say have a 450hp honda civic is it better to have stick? or auto? curious question. I love the si honda civic but always wondered why they are mainly stick. Stick was the first thing i learned and i love it but i figure auto would shift at the right rpms. i know you can get a better launch with stick, or at least thats what ive been told. and what about if it was a semi-auto trans? any help on understanding this better pls do
+Justin Sayle Manual is better. Automatic Transmissions generally take more power to run so your net horsepower is lower. only in really high end cars do the autos shift so fast that it overcomes this power loss. But, whats the fun in driving an automatic just so you can be a fraction of a second faster? Manual is fun.
My 100% factory stock, 2005 Honda Accord with 165 HP and 5 speed automatic transmission will do 144 mph at 4800 rpm with the computer limiter turned off. The factory sets the computer to restrict the engine to 4333 rpm in 5th gear, which is exactly 130 mph. They do this for obvious safety reasons as well as the factory 130 mph "HR" rated tires.
when will you be doing the Fusion Titanium vs Accord sport?
Nathan! looked like it was cooler out when Roman drove the 6MT. that heat killed the CVT times, plus it is slower than the 6MT.
I just got the CVT one and very happy with it. It is a great CVT.
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well my opinion is that all trans should be designed for best fuel economy ,but if you want a fast car go buy a Lambo, or something, the fact is there building better cvt's that can manage more hp, guys don't think you can pull up besides a new Honda or maxima or any other cvt these days, the'll leave u right were you stand!
What did you make the cars (shift), the regular CVT drone would have made it faster.
When will you be getting your hands on the new Corolla?
Can you do a review of the new Cruze Diesel?
It'd be interesting to see how the Accord Sport CVT stacks up against the '13 Mazda 6 w/6spd auto. How about a future compro?
Much better than the Fusion, which is a rental car. C&D got 0-60 in 6.6 with the manual.
The Accord not only is much faster than the Fusion, it gets much better mileage too. Check Consumer Reports tests. Only the willfully ignorant would buy a Fusion.
Just so you know, the Honda accord 3.5l v6 makes 278hp.... and went 0-60 in 5.6 secs. IF you dont believe me, check it out at car and driver!
P.S. I too, bemoan all things regarding CVTs and automatics although I do like the automatic in my dad's 2006 Nissan sedan and the six-speed in the FIAT 500. That said, I personally would not go for either one w/ either transmission. I'll stick with five gears and a clutch. Thank you very much.
Where's the Accord vs Fusion comparison you guys promised!?!?!
What's he got to loose?
Just bought a 6 speed yesterday, What a nice shifter.
The CVT on the Accord Sport is fastest in manual mode but NOT brake torquing. Also you don't manually upshift, it will do it for you at redline. Doing that I have pulled a 10.1 out of a 2014 Accord Sport CVT at 6000ft. The same car also does a low 16 in the 1/4 at the same altitude, which means it is picking up a lot towards the top. The CVT is just slow off the line. Even with the CVT it is still a blast to drive down a canyon road.
Why do you use the paddle shifters on a CVT? Isn't the point of a CVT to have the engine run at max power no matter what ground speed you're at? Using the paddle shifters only handicaps it to being a manual transmission. Every time you shift through discrete gears on the CVT you drop off the max power.
And this is why I would buy the manual
You can get the 6 speed manual with the V6 accord coupe!
So if I'm going 40km/h and i wanna pass the car infront of me, and go to 60km/h is the RPM going to spike really high for that moment?
It doesnt shift auto when in sport mode ... so you have to out it in drive for the cvt to do its job
I have a 2013 accord with a cvt and by no means is it fast, but I've timed 0-60 in about 7.2 seconds at sea level.
Brandon9thGen yes because at sea level they are quick for a 4 cylinder non turbo, but they don’t have to much torque, so at high altitude they are very slow, imagine that the V6 at high altitude do the same 0 to 60 time of the accord sport CVT 🤷🏻♂️😅
Why don't you guys test the EX-l with the 6 speed Auto?
I agree!
Now we can have the match up with the fusion
It's a transmission with infinite gear ratios. Unlike conventional automatic transmissions which have fixed gear ratios , thus shifting when needed.
i drive a 2013 and it feels nowhere as slow as the ones you guys tested.
Maybe you're a normal weight!
edgar flores is because of the altitude, because in other video they took the same accord CVT and it run at 7.89 seconds, so I think the manual will do 7.00 seconds maybe with good tires below 7 that is very very good for that 2.4 4 cylidner
So my hybrid isn't slow... it's my transmission. My 0-60 was 10.5 in a civic hybrid. (It doesn't have paddle shifters like this one, but if you work the accelerator right, u can simulate paddle shifters). I wonder if it will improve if I get a manual transmission installed.
ryfodrea yeah but don't count on replacing the transmission lol just trade it in. I can get my 2015 civic LX cvt to 60 in 7-10 seconds by raping my pedal
Almost a two second difference, now I see why everyone hates CVT's
In my opinion accelerating a CVT is like accelerating a manual in a higher gear at low revs. At 5:49 it looks like the car was coasting in third, if it was manual, and tried real hard to match the revs by accelerating.