A bunch of my car buddies use Tamco and have great things to say about it. I've been a big Matrix user for a long time. They are a copy of the PPG deltron system but WAY less expensive... There's nothing worse than a sales rep who hates to help you out... it's like they don't want to make money.
I think she would rather deal with body shops who just send in a order for a standard color and pass along the price to the poor sap who is in for repairs. That's why masking tape costs 20 dollars a roll there
I've been using Tamco now for about 6 or 7 years and have been happy with it. Sprays really well and cars I have painted with it have held up. You are right. PPG is second to none but Tamco seems to be as good if not better, especially their top of the line product.
Customer service can make or break a business. That's why I go to Bitterroot Guitars for guitar parts. They've been great to deal with and the shipping was fast. I like how they include a business card in every individual part package - which tells me that they actually look at and handle each part before they ship it. Party on, Matt - Party on, Chris.
I own a body shop, and I can feel your pain on material costs. Today I ordered a gallon of white toner for my mixing bank, which will mix a lot of base coat don’t get me wrong, but the last time I bought it, it cost about $420. Today it has gone up to $968! I switched from Cromax to Nason for Primers and clears to try to control cost, and am extremely happy with that line. Clears for example went from $250ish / gal. to $120 / gal. respectively. I still use Cromax base coat and sealer because that’s what’s set up on my mixing bank, but after today’s purchase I may have to make more changes.
This is probably my go to paint now...I was asking for recommendations on a brown for my 240sx and someone recommended "Dirtbag Brown" I checked it out and saw $500 and was bummed but scrolled down and saw it was one gallon! Was really surprised and excited because I love the color and think that's the one I want
My goodness, Matt is hilarious when he gets pissed off. The fact that the orange from Tamco is named "That B*tch" has to be the universe sending a message to that old biddy at the local paint store.
Though I'm not a fan of the green, you can 100% tell the quality of it from just the pics. I love that they also will mix custom colours, as I think what I think that green needs is just a bit more blue for my liking. Here's hoping you get to shill for em!
old crab was trying to rip you off , I bet she doubled the price because she doesn't like you . Tamco is good stuff , been using it myself for a few years and they make all their own products in house . If you ever need some solid yellow get the TCC 09 Lemon Yellow all I can say is WOW !
I think it will be hard to beat tamco for the price and quality, and when I would call to ask a question Tammy would answer the phone and she didn’t one time act like I was bothering her
What a lovely price! Eight ounces of paint worth more than 5 guitars that I currently own combined. Of course some of them need some parts to be completed but it bet it will be cheaper than trying to buy that second can. By the way these colours look great!
I will definitely check them out. I want to stop shooting nitro and try something else. Any suggestions for a tango color for a 2 and 3 tone sunburst? Also, I sent you guys a Facebook message haha 🤙🏻
Thanks for the video. I'm about to order some of the tamco because of it. Do you still use the simtec sanding sealer? If so, does the HC-895 go directly over that?
??????? help! help! help! Hey Matt, I have a very strange problem mixing transtint with Tamco blending clear. I'm not kidding the bright green transtint is mixing up blue. I sent Tamco a note but I'm wondering if you've had something like this happen? I even mixed it in the blender without the reducer in case that made a diff.
@@TexasToastGuitars, Matt thanks for the reply but my bright green color is coming out totally blue. just as if I had used the blue transtint. Sounds crazy I know, I kept checking the label to make sure I was using the right color. I'm waiting to hear fro tamco on this. I did figure out a work around so the project kept going.
Have you Fred? I have seen some decent finishes on guitars built by individuals whose designs were their own but nothing that would appeal to the greater market which so far is interested in either vintage finishes or finishes that have that same vibe. My opinion is skued of course. I still make shellac and varnish and I still French polish. I love the nitro that others use as well. Share some examples if you can! Perhaps,(probably?), water based is the vintage of the future but I think it is a long ways away.
@@seanwoodburn2616 All my cars (5) have been painted in waterborne paint, it's all I have worked with for the past 15yrs. I have a friend who re-finishes furniture, he does my guitar bodies. I swear it takes almost as much work to finish a body, I'd rather finish a car any day. I love french polish on a figured body as well. Waterbourne makes for a beautiful show quality finish, but it goes on weird ( I can't explain it, it goes on milky grey, and really wet) and doesn't lend itself to guitars (at least for me). Just asking if anyone else has used it. Cheers
I have seen furniture done with it as well but I think expectations are different. My experience is similar to yours. Never been awestruck by water finish on guitars. It is a question that probably needs revisited from time to time though. It is an idea whose time may eventually come. In the meanwhile I continue rubbing.
I had been using the 2k Clear ( i don't have the equipment to spray myself) and a long time friend of mine uses Tamco in his body shop. He added me to the Tamco page on Facebook and the guitars on that page was very impressive. I had him shoot a bass project i did last Thanksgiving and it turned out really really good. He used the High Impact. Is there a reason you chose the Euro Clear over one of the others?
ppg makes ok stuff but you are dealing with a much higher quality product now at a way better price you will be so happy with this upgrade if you miss the old line add some yellow koolaid to your clear is this your first time spraying an actual high solids this is 54% hs way outa ppgs league they only put hs on the can not actually in it for the most part
I do not get my paint from finish master. Never been in one. The store where I live gets good google reviews, so this one woman in this one store is bringing down the name of the entire chain. It's a shame.
Hey Matt, send me a few paint codes and I'll send you some free paint! Candy, Pearl, whatever. I mix auto paint for a living. I'll be happy to do it. Todd, Sweet T Guitars!
@@TexasToastGuitars you got it man. I came across a green (dragon skin) pretty awesome. I'll send you some stuff man. No worries. Let me know if you want any specific color and I got you man
You mix it 1x1 with reducer. So it's really 16oz of sprayable product. A Stratocaster sized body takes 3-6 oz total depending on color/coverage typically. So a 8 oz container will get you at least 3 guitars, maybe more.
While I have your ear...another question or 2.Have you ever used (grey auto ) primer as a base coat on a guitar (instead/in lieu of) a sealer? Would it make any difference on a body that was to be completely painted with no wood grain showing? I have a rattle can of grey primer that says it can be used to seal wood. I am thinking I will sand the wood down to 320 and spray a few light coats of primer until the wood is obscured. Then sand it flat before painting. Please advise. Cheers.
My buddy bought a 67 Nova. He got a new hood and was having some stuff fixed on the paint and had some other things done. PPG matched his paint and the only thing that matched it was a Harley Davidson Orange that was $800 a pint. He said that one a very hard pill to swallow. The car looks absolutely amazing, but damn 😬
With service like that, they may not be in business much longer. I used to work at an auto parts store that sold paint a long time ago. I could not remember the brand of paint. I remember one was House of Kolor. I used to be cordial to all the garages I delivered to. But if they were jerks to me, I might give them like one paint stick with their order. Lol. It will be cool to see those colors finished on a guitar.
Perhaps you and this lady need to get a room, perhaps there's untold tension. Then we can all move on with our lives :) (Just kidding, I've walked out of shops mid converstation if the sale people are being an arse).
How does anyone not like you? Weirdos. Love that interballactic... Just redid my strat in metallic black but just picked up a rattle can of it from auto parts store. That paint looks way cooler. Maybe one day if I upgrade the body from the plywood Korean strat I painted 🤣
There’s no way PPG was really that much. That was just that old bags way of firing you as a customer. Sounds like she did you a favor. I’m guessing after the fact you were probably relieved. Tamco is awesome. I found another place called Spraygunner.com that has some wicked colors and fair prices too. You guys rawk!
It took 3 minutes of negative noise before you started to talk positively about the products you use. I, like most people who know there are plenty of channels on CZcams to get information from probably won't "stay tuned" as they say on T.V. for 3 minutes to listen to what is not relative. I like you guys and am sure you have plenty of "patrons" or what I call the choir you preach to. Please forgive me for the church reference, but it seems a lot of CZcamsrs like to hear themselves and preach to their choir and not us sitting out here hoping to be inspired so we can actually do the thing we want to do!
We manufacture 100% of what we sell! With amazing customer service too! 🙌🏻
Lord knows we love it...Tamco rocks!
Love TAMCO the Euro clear is awesome
It's the good stuff kids go for!
:)
@@TexasToastGuitars im really tempted with using tamco but i still question its longevity, especially their clear...
A bunch of my car buddies use Tamco and have great things to say about it. I've been a big Matrix user for a long time. They are a copy of the PPG deltron system but WAY less expensive... There's nothing worse than a sales rep who hates to help you out... it's like they don't want to make money.
I think she would rather deal with body shops who just send in a order for a standard color and pass along the price to the poor sap who is in for repairs. That's why masking tape costs 20 dollars a roll there
I've been using Tamco now for about 6 or 7 years and have been happy with it. Sprays really well and cars I have painted with it have held up. You are right. PPG is second to none but Tamco seems to be as good if not better, especially their top of the line product.
Customer service can make or break a business. That's why I go to Bitterroot Guitars for guitar parts. They've been great to deal with and the shipping was fast. I like how they include a business card in every individual part package - which tells me that they actually look at and handle each part before they ship it. Party on, Matt - Party on, Chris.
Thanks John, the bitterroot crew is super cool for sure
Thank you so much!!! This video was awesome!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥
You're so welcome!
Big Thumbs Up!
I'm on it!
I bought one quart of Base for my Toyota 18 months back and Tamco was $80. You can't beat them.
Good stuff, right?
Oh yeah!
I own a body shop, and I can feel your pain on material costs.
Today I ordered a gallon of white toner for my mixing bank, which will mix a lot of base coat don’t get me wrong, but the last time I bought it, it cost about $420. Today it has gone up to $968!
I switched from Cromax to Nason for Primers and clears to try to control cost, and am extremely happy with that line. Clears for example went from $250ish / gal. to $120 / gal. respectively. I still use Cromax base coat and sealer because that’s what’s set up on my mixing bank, but after today’s purchase I may have to make more changes.
Yikes! That is a big jump for sure. I guess auto paint and 9mm ammo are the new currency
@@TexasToastGuitars Thanks for the laugh......
Wow, great heads up on the Mike Learn youtube content. Never knew he existed, but has amazing videos on custom painting guitars!
Very cool!
excellent products!
That attitude from the lady you mention is the se way the reps at finish master in Florida acts
They are mean and rotten down there too?
Price is important for everybody, Matt. And if the product is good enough for TT, it’s great for us casual builders! 😊
It is good stuff my friend, check them out
tamco is great stuff i use it
There you go, another vote for Tamco
Thanks again man. I really am grateful for your channel.
Always welcome Zach
This is probably my go to paint now...I was asking for recommendations on a brown for my 240sx and someone recommended "Dirtbag Brown" I checked it out and saw $500 and was bummed but scrolled down and saw it was one gallon! Was really surprised and excited because I love the color and think that's the one I want
That is a cool color for sure
Love that Green
Those look like great colours, can't wait to see them on your guitars! I think you guys are great, I dont know what her problem is!
My goodness, Matt is hilarious when he gets pissed off. The fact that the orange from Tamco is named "That B*tch" has to be the universe sending a message to that old biddy at the local paint store.
Thanks Matt - that was hilarious!!
Did you try getting a complementary reach around with that finish master deal?
Not even if she wasn't wearing a mask
found a canadian supplier! Thanks!
Very cool!
heck yeah, CALL 'EM OUT! I like that silver, looks like my cars color.
Thanks Steve
Though I'm not a fan of the green, you can 100% tell the quality of it from just the pics. I love that they also will mix custom colours, as I think what I think that green needs is just a bit more blue for my liking.
Here's hoping you get to shill for em!
Fair enough!
Have you ever tried mixing up your own custom colors when using stand alone pigments like what Didspade sells?
old crab was trying to rip you off , I bet she doubled the price because she doesn't like you . Tamco is good stuff , been using it myself for a few years and they make all their own products
in house . If you ever need some solid yellow get the TCC 09 Lemon Yellow all I can say is WOW !
I think it will be hard to beat tamco for the price and quality, and when I would call to ask a question Tammy would answer the phone and she didn’t one time act like I was bothering her
I'm going to try the 4100 clear first.
What a lovely price!
Eight ounces of paint worth more than 5 guitars that I currently own combined. Of course some of them need some parts to be completed but it bet it will be cheaper than trying to buy that second can.
By the way these colours look great!
Absolutely!
I will definitely check them out. I want to stop shooting nitro and try something else. Any suggestions for a tango color for a 2 and 3 tone sunburst?
Also, I sent you guys a Facebook message haha 🤙🏻
Cool vid Matt
Will 8oz do a git or 2?
Another discount code would be awesome 👌
and then some
DO you still use Simtec polyester for sealing/filling?
$195.00????? Wow! And Woah!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Which Tamco Series of Basecoat were those color paints? I'm just learning about paints.
They are 2 stage... you need to add a top coat
@@TexasToastGuitars Ahh I think I see. Thank you. The colors are @ tamcopaint.com/collections/custom-colors
You have a Tamco link? I didn't see one in the description.
NEVER put up with shitty customer service.
www.tamcopaint.com
Life is too short to put up with curmudgeonly old people. Unless of course it’s me!
HAHAHA you go that right amigo
Stopped using Finish Master 1/2 mile from my shop for the same reasons. Price and absolute lack of interest/help from personnel.
Really... that is awful. I guess they have deep pockets, they sponsor lots of race stuff.
Great video, pretty hard to give discounts when Tamcos prices are already a discount price. Just saying.
I say that to people all the time
Surprised you lasted this long with them. Nobody needs crap when you are trying to do business. Those colors are rad!
I agree the Tamco stuff is killer
Thanks for the video. I'm about to order some of the tamco because of it. Do you still use the simtec sanding sealer? If so, does the HC-895 go directly over that?
Can we get this guy a lav mic so he doesn't have to yell at us anymore?
if you expect to be heard you have to SPEAK UP!
I'm a lot more ferocious than the average guitar builder on CZcams
1863 views and no dislikes yet. Must be livin' right.
I'm sure they will come :)
??????? help! help! help! Hey Matt, I have a very strange problem mixing transtint with Tamco blending clear. I'm not kidding the bright green transtint is mixing up blue. I sent Tamco a note but I'm wondering if you've had something like this happen? I even mixed it in the blender without the reducer in case that made a diff.
Yes
That cool aqua does turn a pretty uncool green
I talked with Jeff and he said he has another one that is more color fast
@@TexasToastGuitars, Matt thanks for the reply but my bright green color is coming out totally blue. just as if I had used the blue transtint. Sounds crazy I know, I kept checking the label to make sure I was using the right color. I'm waiting to hear fro tamco on this. I did figure out a work around so the project kept going.
"That Bitch Orange" ROFLMAO!!
Tamco is the shit. I have Tammy's number and I get a timely reply. Very nice quality paints.
Cool
so ironic the name of the orange color.
HAHAHA I think it has something to do with that Tiger King guy
Have you used the 5300 series yet?
I don't think so, you would need to ask Chris, he is the paint guy
i want the job of naming paint colors
$190 should get you a whole quart of ppg red...
Should of asked In metalux amazing product as well and won’t break the bank
I don't know what that means?
Have you experimented with waterborne paints?
Have you Fred?
I have seen some decent finishes on guitars built by individuals whose designs were their own but nothing that would appeal to the greater market which so far is interested in either vintage finishes or finishes that have that same vibe.
My opinion is skued of course.
I still make shellac and varnish and I still French polish. I love the nitro that others use as well.
Share some examples if you can!
Perhaps,(probably?), water based is the vintage of the future but I think it is a long ways away.
I have not used water anything since the 1990s Fred
@@seanwoodburn2616 All my cars (5) have been painted in waterborne paint, it's all I have worked with for the past 15yrs. I have a friend who re-finishes furniture, he does my guitar bodies. I swear it takes almost as much work to finish a body, I'd rather finish a car any day. I love french polish on a figured body as well.
Waterbourne makes for a beautiful show quality finish, but it goes on weird ( I can't explain it, it goes on milky grey, and really wet) and doesn't lend itself to guitars (at least for me). Just asking if anyone else has used it.
Cheers
@@TexasToastGuitars Thank You
I have seen furniture done with it as well but I think expectations are different.
My experience is similar to yours.
Never been awestruck by water finish on guitars.
It is a question that probably needs revisited from time to time though.
It is an idea whose time may eventually come.
In the meanwhile I continue rubbing.
Two years later and Tamco paint is now also 190 a quart 🤐
I had been using the 2k Clear ( i don't have the equipment to spray myself) and a long time friend of mine uses Tamco in his body shop. He added me to the Tamco page on Facebook and the guitars on that page was very impressive. I had him shoot a bass project i did last Thanksgiving and it turned out really really good. He used the High Impact. Is there a reason you chose the Euro Clear over one of the others?
We use Euro Clear on the recommendation of Mike Learn. He has forgotten more about painting in the last 10 minutes than we will probably ever know
@@TexasToastGuitars great answer, good enough for me
ppg makes ok stuff but you are dealing with a much higher quality product now at a way better price you will be so happy with this upgrade if you miss the old line add some yellow koolaid to your clear is this your first time spraying an actual high solids this is 54% hs way outa ppgs league they only put hs on the can not actually in it for the most part
good tips amigo
Young people its everywhere on cell phone,enoying customer on and on.
I do not get my paint from finish master. Never been in one. The store where I live gets good google reviews, so this one woman in this one store is bringing down the name of the entire chain. It's a shame.
It really is a bummer
And every time I am out there they want to send ME to the paint store to get the paint...
Not any more brotherman
Still using the tamco?
That's what I wanna know
Not like Matt?!? But you’re so suave and handsome! 😁 As always, thanks for the vids.
I appreciate that!
Hey Matt, send me a few paint codes and I'll send you some free paint! Candy, Pearl, whatever. I mix auto paint for a living. I'll be happy to do it. Todd, Sweet T Guitars!
Thanks Todd!
I don't really have any codes if there is something neat that you think we should see I totally trust you
@@TexasToastGuitars you got it man. I came across a green (dragon skin) pretty awesome. I'll send you some stuff man. No worries. Let me know if you want any specific color and I got you man
Now show up how to use these please not everyone is a pro. Thank you
That is a hard video to make but we will try
YOU HAVE TANCO #
I don't just look up TAMCO, it is easy
Toner
and lots of it!
Curious...how many guitars can you do with 8oz. of paint? Is that paint spray gun-ready or is there a dilution factor?
Cheers.
You mix it 1x1 with reducer. So it's really 16oz of sprayable product. A Stratocaster sized body takes 3-6 oz total depending on color/coverage typically. So a 8 oz container will get you at least 3 guitars, maybe more.
Thanks & Cheers!
While I have your ear...another question or 2.Have you ever used (grey auto ) primer as a base coat on a guitar (instead/in lieu of) a sealer? Would it make any difference on a body that was to be completely painted with no wood grain showing? I have a rattle can of grey primer that says it can be used to seal wood. I am thinking I will sand the wood down to 320 and spray a few light coats of primer until the wood is obscured. Then sand it flat before painting. Please advise.
Cheers.
@@texastoastchris Do you prime the guitars too or do you just spray the paint on directly?
My buddy bought a 67 Nova. He got a new hood and was having some stuff fixed on the paint and had some other things done. PPG matched his paint and the only thing that matched it was a Harley Davidson Orange that was $800 a pint. He said that one a very hard pill to swallow. The car looks absolutely amazing, but damn 😬
Ouch!
One of the oranges was for a Smart Car... totally not as cool as a 67 Nova
Must have alot of red tonef
Yeah a whole lot of toner. One was a Smart Car color
Red toners are the most expensive especially the red oxide
What speed hardener are you guys using ?
depends on the day but usually slow or medium
@@TexasToastGuitars just getting ready to place a order , pretty warm down in Texas , I’ll go with slow for now .
@@cfhmachado Have you contacted Tamco?
@@TexasToastGuitars no response unfortunately. I’ll just go with what you and mike are using
I'm glad it's not me and my brother friends she is got a pleasant personality for public lol. I like tamco products I used some nice purples
They got some super cool stuff.
I'm sure her dog loves her
Someone who doesn't like Matt? Impossible...
Oh... it's very possible HAHAHA
even if it was liquid 100% gold i would not pay that for a bit of paint lol
I know right
With service like that, they may not be in business much longer. I used to work at an auto parts store that sold paint a long time ago. I could not remember the brand of paint. I remember one was House of Kolor. I used to be cordial to all the garages I delivered to. But if they were jerks to me, I might give them like one paint stick with their order. Lol. It will be cool to see those colors finished on a guitar.
I think they like dealing with body shops who don't ask how much something is. Masking tape is 20 bucks a roll there.
Perhaps you and this lady need to get a room, perhaps there's untold tension. Then we can all move on with our lives :) (Just kidding, I've walked out of shops mid converstation if the sale people are being an arse).
How does anyone not like you? Weirdos. Love that interballactic... Just redid my strat in metallic black but just picked up a rattle can of it from auto parts store. That paint looks way cooler. Maybe one day if I upgrade the body from the plywood Korean strat I painted 🤣
$400 for a pint of paint. American corporations have completely lost the plot.
That was a real eye opener for sure
There’s no way PPG was really that much. That was just that old bags way of firing you as a customer. Sounds like she did you a favor. I’m guessing after the fact you were probably relieved. Tamco is awesome. I found another place called Spraygunner.com that has some wicked colors and fair prices too. You guys rawk!
Bad or Poor customer service does NOT deserve any business at all. Can't fault your decision. Lol.
That green is the shit!!!’
Totally
It took 3 minutes of negative noise before you started to talk positively about the products you use. I, like most people who know there are plenty of channels on CZcams to get information from probably won't "stay tuned" as they say on T.V. for 3 minutes to listen to what is not relative. I like you guys and am sure you have plenty of "patrons" or what I call the choir you preach to. Please forgive me for the church reference, but it seems a lot of CZcamsrs like to hear themselves and preach to their choir and not us sitting out here hoping to be inspired so we can actually do the thing we want to do!
good to know
It’s nice to have options and to be able to take your business elsewhere.
Totally
Damn! And I bitch if I have to pay $50 for a half pint of base. Were you in the Lamborghini or Ferrari colors? Lol
No, one was a Smart Car finish and totally uncool
@@TexasToastGuitars yeah, that's definitely not cool!
I won't dislike the video due to this but maybe don't shoot a video while digesting a big lunch.
Maybe
i am having a hard time believing you could not charm the socks off the poor lady if you really wanted too. just sayin.
it would take a lot more Coors Light
@@TexasToastGuitars remember when you were young? you shone like the sun....
Those are some bitching colors.