Interview of Thum Ping Tjin about Oxley Lee family feud 21 June 2017
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- The unedited (apart from the cuts at each question), unexpurgated version of my interview on 21 June 2017. A segment of this was aired on CGTN, which you can see at • Singapore's first fami...
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!
Nice catchy phrase but the person who came up with this assumes that the person in power will abuse it.
We need to rethink whether this phrase is indeed true
Power reveals, not corrupts. Power reveals the true philosophy and inclinations of a person's values, beliefs and heart. This is because now, you don't have to convince your enemies and thereby might learn something about yourself, you can arrest or kill all of them.
@Yusuf Best do not know where is the basis
Well said!
Hi Dr Thum, any more videos since your last which is 5 years ago
LHY or LTK should take this opportunity to raise the issue of limiting the PM terms to two to minimize the abuse of power.
LHY has been milking his PAP and LKY system all his life, please dont make me cringe
We (Singapore) are in a steady decline. It can sustain for a while, but without transparency, honest engagement with the citizenry, and bringing forth a sense of "why Singapore?", we will not be here past 2065.
An honest assessment of our political and educational systems. We need to have a pluralistic political landscape that truly respects the one-man-one-vote system and not the gerrymandered GRC system. A proportional representation model is valuable and gives a voice to everyone. There will be no walkovers - every seat that has only one candidate must garner a minimum of 30% valid votes or the seat is empty; remove the PSLE system and blend the Primary 1-Secondary 4/5 years as one through train. The removal of 2nd language from a graded to a pass/no-pass model with the emphasis on STEM across the board. We need to have the educational system to break away from the 20th century model of catering for the industrial automaton model to a thinking and questioning model critical for the country's survival in the 21st. So, pluralistic political system plus a rigorous educational system.
Harish Pillay
Absolutely agree! We need a system that is fair and purposeful, not to eliminate many and elevate the few elites!
Why penalise most people under the guise of meritocracy and making life very tough and demoralising for the majority of the Singaporeans?
Having a two-language system does not enhance the bilingual education. Not everybody has the language ability or talent to manage two languages with equal proficiency.
To manage just one language requires tremendous effort and time, what's more when the demand for two languages is dealt with in the same amount of time spent on learning just one language.
This is absolutely difficult on the learners and demanding on their time, especially when they need to handle other learning subjects such as Mathematics and Science.
I think learning as many languages is a big plus, but one has to atleast master one. Two will be a huge bonus. With one language mastered - and I will say that it is English - the rest of STEM will follow through very well. While I would love to have a Singaporean win the Nobel prize for literature, but given how we are force feeding the formative years with unneeded emphasis on two languages (English and 2nd language), we are sacrificing students who could otherwise be excellent STEM students down a path that necessitates high proficiency in 2nd language. It was LKY's misguided stance that brought us down that path. I will still insist that we have multilingual - not bilingual per se - capability. It helps with grasping the diversity of the world, but we have to be clever if we are to be relevant to ourselves and the world at large.
Let's look at the 2nd language baggage the system carries. If you choose to do what they call Syllabus B in secondary school, you have a *much* better deal where you can focus on your interests and give a boost to STEM. We have to push that into the primary school system as well. A child who can handle languages, whether an early or a late bloomer, will find it in him/her to want to explore and excel. Not everyone is like that. As you note, we are penalizing the majority for the minority to succeed. There is no equity in that case.
I have yet to hear any of the alleged "4th" generation PAP "leaders" articulate *anything* in that regard. They are all from the same mould and I will say that there is a good amount of group think as well that they cannot see the obviously broken system. These chaps also cannot see that apart from the continued-to-be-broken educational system, we have a political model that has been gerrymandered and stacked so much that it makes it unnecessarily difficult for alternative voices to rise up.
It is interesting in the context of the interview of PJ above, that there is this dissension in the famiLEE. Will the PM sue his siblings for libel or defamation the way he is very quick to so with anyone else since they say that he is abusing power? Would his wife do that same? The PM who is going to be presenting his "case" in parliament on July 3 will be able to do so with parliamentary privilege and parts of it will be against two private citizens who happen to his siblings who won't be able to respond in parliament. If *that* isn't a form of abuse of power, I am not sure what it would be then.
I do hope that something good comes out of this fiasco and I am an optimist.
Harish Pillay I agree. I am copying with stress to battle my Secondary 2 streaming. The school system in this country is bullshit. I want to become a political scientist but why should I study bio or chemistry for it? Seriously, I hate my country. PSLE was easy for me, got 222, in express. Secondary schools a pile of shit
I think Dr Thum is so right on many counts. I was blown away by his comparison of the Lee dynasty with Qin Shi Huang Di! Thank goodness a Malaysian university is helping to fund Dr Thum to speak out so frankly in criticism of the Singaporean system and its weaknesses.
But will that same Malaysian university fund Dr Thum to criticise the Malaysian government's version of Malaysian history?
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Pfft lol
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John L Good point. What is the intention of that U? To fix Singapore and interfere in our local politics?
@Ye Hang Yeo Did i say what you think I said?You are right. I did not know that's why I posed what appeared to you as silly question. Since you know everything, i accept you have superior knowledge. I yield to your superior brain and knowledge! I will keep mum. Ask the other guy who i was responding to sir! I am out of your hair.
i fully agree with him
See you as an opposition candidate in GE2021.
Dear fellow Singaporeans and guests. Rebut ideas but don't attack a person - that serves only to anger not educate And if we have an open mind and are civil, others may reciprocate and listen to what we have to say. Ultimately, it is not whether you or I are right or wrong. It is whether our exchange have advance the interest of Singapore, your home and mine.
David Wee 🙏👍. Good point!
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well said!
You should post your podcasts to this CZcams channel too.
Spend our children's inheritance and leave nothing to them as long as we educate them and give them a good head start in life. That's all needed. Save the siblings squabbling over money they can never spend in their lifetime.
Jus mie 👍
70% of the population voted for this, so we as a country deserves this. We allow a single political party to rule us, and that's what we get.
Josh Yang How do we even know it was 70%? It could well have been 7%
I was referring to the 2015 General Elections.
Josh Yang not true because many voters are imported.
Hahaha really a joker don know the 70%...
83:10 now
I can see slight glimpse of Malaysia in Singapore
Love this guy ALOT!!!!
i dun see myself as a singaporean because i m able to think freely instead of worshipping lky
scary.....realistic...
Hi Dr. Thum,
I think you should look at the result and achievement that during LKY time.
If not LKY and PAP , u , your goodself might just squat below a coconut tree and selling satay as a living and livelihood.
The present ruling system might need to adjust , but we still need to due respect and recognize the efforts of LKY and his teammates that they have put in.
JUST Let the matter rests bro, JUST Let the matter rests.............!
Where is the check and balance? How to prevent abuse of power in the government? The people of Singapore expect the leaders to be responsible and accountable for their actions.
Disagree Singaporeans don't expect accountability otherwise pap will not have majority in parliament
Instilled FEAR
Can any nation thrive n flourish with FEAR??,
Greetings of Peace and Light. Utopia remains a dream and will never be attainable. Even all the religions have some dark history. Sad but true. Best regards to all.
Being a highly educated person one should edify others with logics and reasonings or explainations on one point of issue with different perspectives, so that people will have a better understandings. If the perspective given only from oneself cannot be a true fact, it could be based on one's failures and the inability to surpass the Legacy person with contempts to cover-up own incompetence.
This is a 'Speak ills on the other to up self-image'...'
So he's a sith lord?
He looks like hong Kong actor liang ka fei
yes karma can be something....
There were moments in this video when i thought he was talking about North Korea 🇰🇵
The similarities are startling 😲
1verybadass
Oh really?
Are you Malaysian? xD
Yes agreed with you there singapore is the benign form.
Yes and it is True that Even Dictatorship Authoritian ruled Nations since the cold War also Collapse just what happened to Former Yugoslavia once was a big country then to the Atrocities happening led to the NATO intervention then divided into smaller Independent Democratic Nations like Croatia, Bosnia etc.
LEE JONG IL........alias li sian long.
Cold Store = ISA
End of the story is.. when power concentrate, it is not without its repercussions. There are many good definitely but often then not one's point of view is not omnipotent and doesn't fits all shoe and when one's fail to realize the underlying issue then there is no way to have a constructive plan to rectify it. I'm not saying either good or bad but just an observation of things. Singapore has prosper greatly under the Lee's leadership and I and immensely appreciative but been just a peasant and not an elite I can't help but feel been worthless at times. Guess a begger can't be a chooser lol.
singapore sucess is a team
work of our founder
lky goh keng swee
rajaratnam
toh chin chye
ong pang boon
Will this video clip come under Shanmugam 's Fake News Act? After Lky, the real test of that mortal man's legacy begins. It's not about his first son or first daughter in law or the elites in the government. It's whether the people can detect any weak leader and boot him out of office or just sit idle and watch the world go by. We appreciate the good things here but the costs of living is certainly biting into the common people's lives. Why the need raise car park fees, water fees, transport costs yet let property prices soar when our foreign reserves sit idle? is it so that the elites will continue to be happy and to afford their rising asset prices?
George Lim how is this fake news? prove it if you can.
Your words has so much truths in it. Although many singaporeans detect the government's weakness and selfishness we can't do anything much. The system they have been using for the General election is top secret and we don't know how do they even count their votes to allow them to be the victor.
But putting that aside, you mentioned about the cost of necessities and the hike in these prices. I totally agree with this point 100%. With CPF, high prices in all aspect of necessities it makes me wonder how can the ministry complain about their earnings and say that they ought to earn more. Looking at the wider picture, even foreigners coming to singapore and are living life in singapore compared to their own citizen.
Such shame for a singaporean to see this happening. It also questions the trust we have for our government. They talked about having better lives in singapore and it will all be good for us. Time and time again it has been touched upon but yet there has been no change. The rich get richer the poor gets poorer. Currently there are too many old folks selling tissues and yet they still think the economy is doing well?
How can he say that when eceonomy should benefit the people and not himself (minister). Im not sure about you but I can see singapore allowing things like this to happen (such as allowing more foreigners to soar and be better than us) (having to be in top 1 in the economy chart for status purposes) (having old people to work just to take their CPF)
PJ Thum likes his Oxford tie...
well Singaporean have to understand. *the power of improvement & changes depend on them.
Singapore is one handed system.
the is a no u-turn rules.
one hand can only carry that much weight. in the other hand it needs to balance.
can the older & younger generation accept the changes & the responsibility of a balance democracy system.
it is a challenge.
I just want to applaud Dr Thum at the end of this interview.
Absolutely!
Family matter
Clearly and well said sir!
Good explanation. Hopefully this cycle of one-man rule and 'discussions' that are really foregone conclusions masked with a veneer of democracy will come to an end.
All my life is PAP😊
Micheal Barr evalution too simplistic
Viecong n u.s armies died a lot in these related wars abt com or demo. Pls be considerate for this two giant policy in this world., We are only a tiny country given up by Malaysia.
Dear Dr Tham, I have no adverse comments in your comments of LKY & his family. But if LKY was not a Prime Minister would any body in interest in LKY? On the whole you provided important facts abt LKY & family. Thank you for times
Developmental authoritarianism, where slight democracy and rights are traded for economic growth...
personal authority of a dead man! good grief
bro stand up for next president election 2023
Who is this Ping Tjin? Is he merely stating or retelling what can be gathered from books or the man in the street?
zed fly Except that many people are blind to facts and fully trust the trash mainstream media feed them with.
you speak with sense rather than that stooge Eugene Tan n Lillian...
Dr. Eugene Tan is not a stooge
An excellent interview, very eloquently spoken. What a wonderful PM you would be.
Julie O'Connor you must be joking! He will bring Singapore down . He puts forth eloquent arguments which at the same time have a lot of holes in it.. I would request all Singaporeans to pay careful attention and analyse each word he is saying. He is ludicrous. He gives the impression that LHL taking over from LKY is a succession. When Singaporeans know LHL is the 3rd PM.
He says the Lee dispute will bring Singapore down. His comments are dangerous for Singaporeans. Singaporeans are a practical lot. we all understand the Lee family dispute is a private dispute, but like typical Singaporeans that does not stop us from giving our views. He is also insulting our parliament process and socio-democratic process. Compare our parliament to the world's democratic countries and you will know where we stand.
He says LKY concentrated power in his own hands and was a one man rule in Singapore. This is a clear insult to our other founding fathers Goh Keng Seee, S. Rajaratnam, Toh Chin Chye, Othman Wok, etc.
He is saying the Leadership position held in the political, judiciary and Civil Service in Singapore was through a pre existing relationship with the Lee family. He is saying that the Lee family is not a family but a network of family who occupied critical positions of power. What he is saying is not only stupid but an insult to other chinese, malays, indians, Eurasions etc. He talks about infighting,over fight and "long term chaos" and crackdown by establishment. He does not seem concerned about it. He seems to be sure there will be long term chaos- how ? through violence?.
Changes are taking place . Our future will be different and it will happen painlessly and bloodlessly, because we have some of the strongest institutions in the world.
To borrow a phrase, we are not perfect but we should not be carried away by clever sophistry.
No I was not joking at all. You really think one man can bring down the juggernaut of the PAP party? You really think that LHL wasn't part of the succession planning, where a mentor was chosen between the change-over of father and son? You are naive if you believe this is a family dispute, it is questioning the role of the PM, which is a public office role. I have regretfully experienced the "system" of Governance in Singapore and if you become caught up in the web of deceit and lies, it's not pleasant. So I'm afraid I will beg to differ with you and agree with Thum Ping Tjin and Lee Hsien Yang, given my own personal experience.
Julie O'Connor It seems things have not gone well for you in Singapore and you have a personal axe to grind. For you information Mr Goh Chok Tong was Singapore's PM for almost 14 years. Which is no mean feat. He is known for his open and consultative style.
+Devi Susila Sinnadurai Why when people speak up are they shot down with "you just have an axe to grind", as if that somehow justifies the actions of others. Presently PM Lee is in office, so why are you referring back to his predecessor? The allegations of abuse of power and conflict of interest are here today.
Julie O'Connor
Dr Thum for change!!!!
What is more amazing for me is that 28% out of 2.3K voted dislike for this video.
How can you deny the truth? And if you disagree with Dr Thum, then just do your due research.
It’s time to change, Leaders Salary very very high
Singaporean have to pay and pay Leaders from our pockets. Our salaries are for our children not for the Leaders, That show our Current Leaders never thinks for the Singaporean, Everything in Singapore is increasing because we have to pay the Government Leaders and they did nothing for the Singaporean no more.
The Government Leaders only can talk but nothing is for Singaporean accept Their Salaries.
In Singapore we have Terrorist Of Wealth and Greed.
We the Singaporean work so hard for our family.
Vote wisely and when you vote the Current party you agreed the Greed and the increase of everything in Singapore.
Remember what you see Army, Police, Special Forces in the streets, Airport almost everywhere is to put Fear in the Singaporean. Stop all New NRIC
Immigrants for the Elections is coming on the way.
Only after Elections is over than in the year 2020
than can Issue New NRIC to immigrants for TAXES.
Stop all Hidden Agendas from the Government Of Singapore, for you are not capable anymore.
Dear Oppositions Party Of Singapore and the Singaporean. What ever I am saying is I am only a concern Citizen.
Look at the Countries that the Ruling Party losses to the Oppositions and the rulings Party are shocking.
Sorry to all the Leaders Of the Countries that I am going to mention.
1) Malaysia- Ruling Party BN is over confidence and shock to the Present Ruling Party run by Dr.Mahathir .
BN has destroy Malaysia and leaving to the Opposition to solve the Country’s Problem.
Selling all Malaysia Government Properties and Corruptions.
2) America - Democrats Obama and Hillary Clinton are shock to loss the Election to Donald Trump the Republican.
Obama and Hillary Clinton left the country in Turmoil, and Opposition Donald Trump and the Republican to Solve the Country Problem.
Selling all America Government Properties and Corruptions.
Now is Singapore going to be like the above 2 Countries .
Selling all The Government Properties and Corruptions.
talk rock sing song.
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Please return to stand as candidate for the coming GE. We need you.?
You have good points but maybe you seem to think that western liberal democracy is the be-all for any political system throughout the world. We have witnessed the chaos in Trump's rise to power and the unnecessary Brexit fiasco. Any political model must be pragmatic enough to serve the populace. It is the mean to an end. This end is the freedom, economic prosperity and peace of a society thriving in a constructive discourse. It is not utopian but we have to strive toward that direction.
Absolutely. Intellectuals are knowledge-based. They have no experience in running a country. I respect politicians like Jeremy Corbyn, LHL, Theresa May and even Trump for putting their life in public to run a state. It is a very complex task.
Kelthire If thats the case then it is an insult to the cabinet ministers. They themselves played a part in the development. Lky alone could not have done this without them.
I believe that you are implying that there must be transparency and accountability. I would agree that the concentration of power in a single man can become totalitarian. There are only 2 types of authoritarianism - benign or malignant. And the benign form of LKY had many western observers admiring for years. I do not want liberal democracy to bring along its share of Brexits, Trump and wooden chair fighting in Parliament.
the Scandinavian system is what we should aim for. nothing short of it.
Guys Singapore was never a One man political family,. Singapore has always been a Republic, quite similar to that in Plato's Republic. Where absolute Power is concentrated in a group of elites most capable to rule.For Plato, it was the Philosophers. For Singapore its basically the most qualified. Even in LKY's time he did not actually run the county, Lim Kim San, Goh Keng Swee etc all ran their respective parts of the country.
Siblings rivalry especially jealousy over what continues to accrue more and more to the first born, the elder son and his family.
This is the worst kind of unhappiness that can happen to a family when an old man dies making the prophecy comes true that wealth [happiness is a big part of wealth, not just material wealth] does not last over 3 generations.
The worst damage to wealth is unhappiness in rivalry due to jealousy of the first-born family, the elder son's family getting all the attention, recognition and power, more so fuelled and instigated by the wife of the younger son/s.
This happens in many families and I have witnessed many first hand, and where families harmony and respect for the family of the elder son, the first born, was help in contempt and ridicule.
This is nothing new to the Lees. It happens to many families.
I hope psychologists will study why this happens in the lives of humans, and what should be done to prevent this from happening as it would bring down the happiness [a part of wealth] into unhappiness when an old man passes on, and the rivalry appears immediately in some cases, some even before the funeral of the old man is over.
difficult way to say rivalry happens every family.
Singapore's rule of law doesn't put LEE's Will and interest above the rest, and that is something Singaporeans should be proud. What is more laughable is to see people like TPT clamoring over LHY and trying to make him look like some Avenger superhero standing on moral high ground. Singapore land acquisition, conservation, and preservation act is there to protect Singapore's interest, not the Lees. So stop spinning this into a case about LHL abusing his power. In actual fact, if LHL doesn't allow the government to take control of this issue, he will be abusing its power to deny Singapore a chance to preserve an important part of Singapore's history. As a self proclaimed "historian", I am surprised TPT doesn't think so
You can have the most profound words and plentiful of talks and analysis, the prove is in the pudding. People are only interested in the result how they can benefit from the system of governance. The Lee saga is good for Singapore and it's future, as a result, a cleaner government.
PAP lapdog. Bitch
Didn't u come back to vote ? One man rules in singapore ! U r so yesterday. 😕
There has been a lot of effort to build our institutions. There is also a huge mass of intellectuals who subscribe to the principles advocated by LKY. So Singapore will not just fall apart. The cabinet may comprise many yes-men but they know that the decisions made by their chief are sound. So there are good reasons to support a sanguine perspective of Singapore's future.
Personally I'm neither pro-PAP Nor am I pro-Opposition so his view being a veiled criticism of the democratic system in Singapore offers an alternative viewpoint. I don't condone Nor do I agree fully but some of his statements about concentration of power does have some validity to it. To put down another person's view just because he or she doesn't agree with what you deem as 'right' or the 'truth' isn't the way forward. You can tell that he is trying to choose his words wisely, not much can be said about some others who lambast and accuse overtly.
Every country has a struggle for power, because without power you can effect nothing and change nothing, your words have no weight and no meaning. The Lee family feud is just but one of the indicators of such a struggle.
hi, just want to ask whether you are of voting age? how can you be neither be pro-pap or pro-opposition. when election time comes how do you vote, based on what?
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Begs the question: What are his affiliations? What secret fraternity is he part of? Has he positioned himself fairly well to ride the waves of impending dominoes?
Hope the governance of Red Dot since the late LKY stepped down as PM has been strengthened over the years.
How many years have gone by and governed under GCT and LHL's as PMs? How many years now?
The prof did not cover this point in his interview.
Did the number of years under GCT and LHL go to waste and was a backward slide with no progress?
Did the two just govern with no initiatives from them to put in new policies to strengthen the governance of Red Dot?
Has Red Dot undergone a great setback and is in dire straits in the hands of these two PMs?
The prof should give another talk on this.
I agree with him. LWL suffered injustice and now then complain about it...
Who are you to represent Singaporeans
Norman Kidd ur father
Who are you to say that!
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Are you saying that your father can control the Communist better.
Who is this chap Thum Png Tjin?
zeojim ong Research Fellow Oxford University.
Akin Khoo Didn't think this is about validating his standing.
Akin Khoo Didn't think this is about validating his standing. of course he speaks as a Singaporean.
Kelthire
In the first place, I am not expecting a little granny-like exchange with you know who! Akin Khoo can do the honour of that national speech or steal the limelight from the "nobody Fellow" if Atkin felt a little bit left out! LOL!.
Dr Thum Ping Tjin is a Rhodes scholar. He was an ex-Olympian representing Singapore in swimming. Dr Thum was first person who swam across English channel.
Why PJ Thum keeps on saying the Lee Family has all the power now? Only PM Lee Hsien Loong and his wife are in power today. Is he perhaps exaggerating and playing with words ?
Sir Lee kuen yew, is a real leader.
karthick m bloody ball carrier,u knw nothing about spore.probably ur just a pr or just another indian national who ball carried the govt.go back to India n ball carry ur ministers n president.
U just biggest ball licker karthick
Roslan Ahmad I am a born Singaporean and fully agreed LKY is a great leader. Singapore 🇸🇬
LKY undermined parliamentary democracy in Singapore the same way Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. Except that LKY was a neoliberal while Chavez was a Stalinist.
Sunshine buddy LKY can also be considered something of a folk hero in the Southeast Asian independence movement. of course, some people unfortunately had to pay the price for his success
His heroic title was gotten with underhanded means, not known publicly. Sad that many believed in him and his lies!
Well, it does not matter if someone led the country to ruin or to prosperity, the most important are liberal dogmas. You can have different views, but PAP has created Singapore and still has a mandate to govern. Your liberal views and critics are in a decided minority.
梁家辉。。哈哈😄
獨裁與民主各有其好與壞。如果有好的領導，團隊和監督係統，獨裁可把政策看得更長遠，把精力放在經濟與民生，政策實施更快（看中國的速度不是歐美能比的）。民主可說出民意，但如果兩大政黨不分上下的情況（比如台灣，美國），政策實施就慢，無法長遠，兩黨都為下一屆選舉忙'錄，自己政黨的利益優先，而非民生經濟（看台灣），選錯黨更哀哉啊！新加坡中合獨裁與民主，我覺得李光耀是有智慧的。西方的民主不適合新加坡。可別像台灣一樣亂。
Singapore is hardly democratic. Everything is a shitshow now
No offence to singaporean...from what I see,Pap is like modern nazi(Without all the terrible stuff nazi did)....pap has done a good job in ruling the country,but some people already feel like the country is not real democracy anymore.Sorry if I offended anyone...
No offence, too! The communists also rule their countries well! North Korea, China, Russia are examples of 'success' under communism.
SG is not what you think it to be! It is an authoritarian state under the guise of democracy! You must feel the pulse of the people, the manner policies are implemented, the judiciary and the law enforcement units to realise the actual situation.
The exterior looks perfect but internally is a different story altogether!
How can one call this country democratic when protesters are stalked by the police unit?
The speeches at the speakers' corner in Hong Lim Park also need to be vetted by the law enforcement unit before the speakers could express themselves?
It’s is very oppressive especially to the criminals.
PAP is simply a good party with a good program, and criticizing arguments like Nazis and communists shows the madness of modern liberals.
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@@Adamus1410 but you have to admit they are both almost similar.
You say much . Can you join the opposition to take action.
Do you see the american system as normal democracy or pure corruption to the core . If real democracy is working they will not be a debt based system amounting to trillion.
There is no fixed rule or ideology that works in any country for long. As long the majority people vote for it it says the system works for them.
Be grateful la...you are one of the products of his....look at other country ...
PAP dog.
He sounds like someone with an axe to grind but doing it with the safety as an overseas-based academic. If you really care about Singapore and disagrees with the PAP, come back to Singapore and join the opposition. Don't criticise overseas. You are not in Singapore to suffer the consequences when Singapore goes down. Come back, then you have the moral authority to criticise.
James Lewis 👍👏👏👏. No point pontificating. If he can rule better, come back and stand for election. No point agitating others to fight. Be a hero Thum. Better than being an agitator or pontificator. A hero leads and show the way. !
One man dictatorship is unsustainable unless u are Lee Kuan yew... Lol enuff said
World Order - Have a nice day
Dr Thum was unheard of amongst my circles prior to the infamous questioning. He became well known in and well liked after the incident showed us how arrogant and out of touch the government is.
We learnt English to absorb non spoken English from Japanese intellect of tecnologys thru employment. It's ok learning English as an multi racial citizen, it's not for any advantage especially nowaday other than communicating with our different racial friends n neighbors. China speak Chinese, Vietnam speak Vietnamese, Russia speak Russian, the interesting part is Russian don't speak n acknowledge it in their daily life. Treat me as friend, Singaporean, how u see their economy n technology nowaday besides America? Hi chi Minh, Beijing n Shanghai, Moscow n at petergrade? I never think any Singapore parties would snatch the wealth of current government in today's society. Pls wake up, don't despise capability of those communists countries anymore. We are how rich to help the poor n old n they are not rich to settle the poor n old .. both parties have the way of doing things, American died slot for the Asian battles because of these, enough of arguing the facts I saying. Watch Moscow, Shanghai n hi chi Minh city will do. We watch Shelton way n sentosa,
Don't agree with you about making Sporean see the Lee family as a model family cos I never see it and many of my friends never see it. Every family aspire to be have a good family and Mr LKY recognises that too. But to make us believe and see his family as a model family will be too much. His own cabinet has brilliant people who don't have perfect marriages. LKY has said, we make mistakes and will abundant policies that are wrong. LHY's son is a gay...and LKY accepted gay people. He doesnt even want a statue of himself. You said power is not sustainable due to one man. BUT LKY has sustained and make Spore progress till his death so your statement is wrong. If it is eroding after LKY, it is not because of LKY. LKY has said before, how Spore survive depends on the next generation not on the Lee family. Finding another LKY will be next to impossible because we are living in different times. We might find one if there is another crisis equivalent to war. We are all human. I don't expect LHL or LHY to groom their sons for political office unless their own children aspire and is good enough to be one. This will be nepotism and against his principle of choosing the best to rule the people. LKY did his best. The rest is up to us. I think LKY knew even his own sons will not continue his "reign" like the Monarchy or other communist countries. PAP was an opposition party once. Like all parties they fight to win. They are not going to make it easy for you. If another opposing party comes and do better than the PAP, I can accept it.
How about China also one man rule and so successful of China?
Amos Yee but the civilised version
Loll... No lah. This one waaay more studied and factual.
Singapore without LKY would have been like Batam.
Be thankful people
This is a constricted view.
If we vote them to be in power, the party has the right to choose whoever holds power absolutely!!
It's good to have someone have complete control!
What do u mean substance of democracy? If its good its good. I don't care which is the correct way of democracy.
American democracy honestly isn't the best model.
siajiale i disagree. united states have an examplary model of democracy, however without the ideal average intelligence within their population to sustain the model, which means the voters have to be smarter and discerning. for example, republicans and conservatives are less into social welfare and more into meritocracy which is good but many of them are religious nutjobs. while the democrats and liberals are open minded but far too progressive for their own good like the recent acasio-cortez. and the ones who emphasized the flawed aspects of the respecting parties are the less intelligent, easily swayed and bandwagoning voters.
@@AnymorAnime u are assuming that the population knows what it wants. But just like a teacher teaching a class of students. Students will NEver know what they truly need, even if they are studying PhD.
It is easier to assume that we have a capable leader.
siajiale i get where you are coming from, and i do see the fruits of it in singapore, to a certain extent china and russia. but we cant sustain the idea of leaders assuming what everyone wants, especially when our later generation is more educated and smarter albeit pampared and soft. which is why i said, the united states model only fulfil its fullest potential when the general population is smarter, wiser and more intelligent in choosing the right president, congress and senate. i understand why you chose the class analogy, but the follow up would be, the most students do choose their diploma,nitec course, alevel streams and degrees as they wise up to choose the future they along with the burden it draws instead of an assumed leader dictating their future.
siajiale but i certainly get your point. the pragmatism is certainly very inviting.
Thus Singapore still has the right to vote. Whoever comes into power should be given power absolutely, because the people chose them.
USA has too many checks in place. Whatever the president passes may not go through. Its difficult to make changes. The failure of such a model of democracy when it is reliant on masses, but the people who make up the house / senate would most likely be unwilling to make drastic and unpopular measures. Hence it won't go through.
Only the brave and visionary will be able to do this. But can the majority of the people in house and senate be visionary? No, naturally its not possible because only 0.01% of the people have it. They are fighting over petty stuff and siding with one party, while disagreeing with whatever the other party says. That's a shame.
PT Thum...Correct the History of Singapore according to the People and INVESTIGATIONS though the Archives...British-Malaysian & Singapore and INTERVIEWs of activist and dissidents at home and abroad before they pass on as there are NOT MANY of them left .
We must NOT accept History according to Lee Con You regardless of what he had DONE....you are a Historian...'Just Do It' and Walk that Talk
Could you perhaps not write like a 6 year old?
What's your biff??? missing mummy ??? keep swimming you may eventually find her
CONDITIONED MINDS like Parrots and LapDogs are favourites of the Powers that Be...you are excused for NOT having a MIND of your own..Open your minds and find some fresh air in it instead of the SHIT DUMP inside it!!!
The words are too complicated xD
If PAP is really bad. No matters how they manipulated the voting system. Still no vote for them .lah. But because they are OK and opposition talk a lot of childish points. And make no sense only people who refuses the law will support them. But they forget who pay damage.
What talking u dumbass
Go home richard you’re drunk
No matter what you said, I will still vote for PAP !
The example of China demonstrated why majority single party rule is important for any nation. Just look at how messy US politics is : a democratic system with 2 or 3 parties. Citizens suffers when polticians of different arties fight each other to grab powers. Corruption runs rampant. Look at how fast China is catching up with majority party rule. Singapore will last beyond 2100 with majority party rule if the youths are pragmatic , wise political engagers who can choose upright leaders. Gov has an important role to build wise citizens not just knowledge citizens, thus the importance of identifying fake new, twisted opinions. I felt we should focus on passing Mr Lee Kuan Yew pragmatic, fast, discipline, non corrupt ideology that the current system is meant for. We tend to hype the "Lee" powers ho;d over the country. People shouldn't just look to a singular prof opinions and accept them as correct.or facts. Before deciding which system is correct, study US, European, neighbour countries political systems and the impact they have on their citizens then judge. The world is not as simple as you think it is. We are very fortunate.
I want him to be my history teacher xD
Is this guy on George Soros' payroll?
i wonder who is he talking to ... is there an interviewer ? if not, its really quite funny hahaha ownself ask ownself
Shanmugam, however overrated as a lawyer, isn't a match for this guy.
Boots licking not good lawyer. He just act upon orders to him.
This guy one month make how much? What type of property is he living in? Please be grateful. If not for Mr LKY, this guy will most probably be making a living as a gay boy wearing g string performing pole dancing at a sleazy bar.
Solve this and end this saga in Parliament on the 3rd July. How?
I hope PM Lee will allow MPs to vote on the house matter on the 3rd July in Parliament by casting free and secret votes: to gazette or not to gazette the house.
PM Lee should abstain from voting in Parliament on this.
I believe the MPs vote will end this bitterness that the sibilings are going all out in all front to hit at PM LHL.
Hope politically the PAP Govt will let the MPs do their part, cast their votes freely on this house issue.
I hope PM Lee will do that.
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It will be a collective decision of 89 MPs in Parliament, and not a one man's decision.
The decision will give the moral endorsement by Parliament of which way to go with the house.
It will be up to the Govt to bring that moral decision into Cabinet, which will give the final decision.
PM Lee should abstain from voting in Cabinet on this issue.
Tan kok tim , the PM doesn't need to vote. His cabinet will vote for him. The whole parliament will vote for him.
Tan kok tim 1) There's no need for him to vote because he will win by PROXY thru all those ass-licking Pappies.
2) The issue here is deeper than the abovementioned house as he allegedly CIRCUMVENTED the deal (of selling the house and his father's will) by setting up a Ministerial Committee... with the alleged intention of "PRESERVING his father's legacy".
You're speaking as though the entire Cabinet is not full of carefully hand-picked puppets of LHL
Mr.Lee done a very good job