Making a Good Old Days Wooden Bucket - Will it Leak? - SWC Ep53
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When I made the original wooden bucket back in ep5 of Scrapwood Challenge I made, edited and uploaded the video all in one day. Because of that it was rushed and wasn't as clear as it could've been so I've always planned to remake it.
It's a very cool project and definitely worth a go!
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When I made the original wooden bucket back in ep5 of Scrapwood Challenge czcams.com/video/KKrFnkQWO2s/video.html I made, edited and uploaded the video all in one day. Because of that it was rushed and wasn't as clear as it could've been so I've always planned to remake it.
It's a very cool project and definitely worth a go!
Timbecon have a nice flat 5 or 6 metre tape ideal for measuring curves. They've got a couple of nice little features, white with black marks, FastCap brand about $18.
@@ohasis8331 I'll have a look at them, Thanks! :)
You should have a safety vest on while pushing wood through the saw. It's a mistake you only get 1 Chance at
Great video, love your work, would of been easier to weld the handle brackets to the top ring in my opinion but I don't have a successful CZcams channel do what do I know! 👍👍👍💚🇬🇧🌱
6:07 you know it must have been a rather tiresome process to do that back in the day with just like an adze and an axe and a plane for shaping ... huh
Just a few centuries ago you could make buckets and barrels for a living. Every time you walked around town, you could see people keeping their stuff safe and know that you'd made life better for the people around you. It's romanticizing a hard period in history, but it sounds so nice to do such directly meaningful work.
uncle ted
Go work on a farm.
@@MrThetruthhurts I kind of already do.
I like thinking about it this way, thanks. :)
@@mattgolman Well the obviously you do not get the respect or praise you deserve. So thank you for making sure my friends family society can eat healthy in order to live strong fulfilling lives. This is only possible because of unsung heroes as yourself, and I do not mean this lightly. While the government big tech and your fellow man have treated you horrendously you have preserved on this noble fight. God bless you and all you care for. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and know that you have a direct impact on society, perhaps are the most impactful.
If you wanna make it the way it was built in the old days you heat up the steel collars red hot and drop it on. It will burn the wood making it perfect set and once it cools down it will squeeze the wood to a tight fit. The old days they set the cart wheels similar ways. Regardless just the thought to make something like that is cool. I Like your projects and the way you introduce the problem (only small design flaw) and solving it on the spot. It does encourage others : "Don't be afraid to make a mistake just learn from it and fix it" Anyone thought about it how they made those over 150 years ago?
Look up EngelsCoachShop on CZcams.
Oh wow. I suppose the rings will be expanded when hot, and when they seat, cool down, burn themselves on, they'll also shrink, adding tightness?
@@metalface8515
They shrink a little and help close gaps.
Heating the bands is not necessary on a tapered bucket. Just make them a tad undersized and force them into place from the bottom up. They usually used a tool that looked like a blunted chisel to drive the hoop into place.
u will need water too, it makes the wood swollen
12 sides = dodecagon. The buckets look cool.
That's the one! Thanks Moz! :)
Dodecahedron; decahedron is 10, do adds 2
@@johndowd9705 A dodecahedron is a three dimensional shape with twelve sides
@@johndowd9705 Man, hearing the word 'dodecahedron' reminds me of this old Wiggles Flash game.
The ol' dodecalicious.
The author does like to from scratch, czcams.com/users/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practise the full stack project, is still great.
My great grandfather made buckets in this style. He used to make the bucket itself out of softer wood and reinforce the spots where the handles were fitted with pieces of harder wood, so that the weight rested on those pieces.
Not too important if you're just using it for light work, but he had buckets that lasted decades for daily construction work. Cement mixing, carrying water, holding sand and dirt, things like that.
A day to make the buckets yielded decades of use.
Did he make the whole stave out of hardwood (two of them on opposite sides) and attach the handles to them?
I couldn't see anyone who'd named it for you, so here is what you call a 12 sided polygon: A Dodecagon
I knew it
it should be round, I would know because I was raised in a village where they still used things like these
@@nicub “people used buckets where i grew up so they can only be like the ones i saw or they are wrong”
@@nicub “i was around this thing as a kid so i know more about it than the people who make them and other similar things for a profession”
Do: two
Deca: ten
Gon: sides
Edit: Dodeca means 2+10, not 2*10. 20 sides is icosagon.
After all these years still one of my favorite CZcams subscriptions.
He is pretty dang awesome
Totally agree
"All these years"
@@danielmclellan7762 do you know what that means?
@@cheffrin3751 do you know what "pretentious pecker" means?
Stick the rings in your kitchen oven for half an hour then put them on. They will shrink after they cool down.
In the winery we have particular brands of oak barrels that are notorious for leaking when new
To fix this we fill them with hot water and then run hot water over the sides which is a quick way to seal them
We also use a soft bees wax for minor leaks when filling with wine
Does the water cause the planks to expand or is it some other mechanism?
@@IgneousExtrusive yes, when the wood is soaked with fluid, the fibers expand
YEAH!! Scrapwood Challenge!! :D
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Click on his picture, andcsee what else he has posted. It has nothing to do with the channel. Then find an actual response from the youtuber, and you can see the difference.
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@@all_the_moga I tried but CZcams would not let me for some reason. Ill try again on my pc
I always get excited when a new "Pask" video pops up. Thanks Neil.
That's awesome, Thank you! :)
Ditto that :D
One of the many things I love so much about this channel is the problem solving. That and the emphasis on patience, taking the little extra time to do things and really get into the craft. Serious kudos, as always, Neil. Cheers!
Thanks very much Kevin! Glad you're enjoying the videos! :)
Your approach to things that don’t work right away is so inspiring! Your videos are really helping me deal with my fear of not doing everything perfectly. You truly are a wise man!
At six in the morning I did the best thing to do, brewed my coffee and watched how to make an old-fashioned bucket. Thank you, great explanation as always, I enjoyed it very much. It is also very nice that you use different methods while repeating some tasks. Neil thanks to you, I started the weekend in a pleasant way, I wish you a great weekend too.
It's dangerous for me to be watching videos like this. As a retired cabinetmaker I'm too prone to spending a lot of money setting up another shop. LOL
But seriously, this was way too cool of a project for me not to give it a go. Thanks for a great video.
I really like it. There is only one thing I might do different, and that's heating the ring for the final install in the same way a wheelwright would heat a steel tyre for the final fit on a wagon wheel, and quench it in the same fashion as well. I vaguely remember watching my Grandfather do it like that on the farm when I was a wee kid. Although I know my Grandfather was a blacksmith by trade, not a cooper, or a wheelwright either for that matter. Although most men of that time were somewhat multi skilled.
Hey Neil, just a little idea for ya, for SWC 100, wouldn’t it be fun to redo SWC 1 and see how much better you’ve gotten!👍🏼
I can't even remember what the first one was but it's a great idea! :)
A stool with dovetail legs if I’m not mistaking!
The compound angles you have to do to make the tapered bucket is so impressive I have been working on a similar project and my brain still hasn’t recovered
You're right, it looks simple but it can be confusing. :)
Now imagine how they were doing that before, without the adjustable angle power tools
Mate we've had stable, fixed drills and saws for over 10,000 years. They're not a complex idea
@@jeremymcadam7400 there wasnt anything of the sort for saws during that time tho, it was all made with handsaws and planes
@@jeremymcadam7400 you really have no clue on the timeline like yeah we had them for a long time but probably at most for 2000 years not10000
@@jeremymcadam7400 We were living in caves 10 000 years ago. That’s about when homo sapiens sapiens was created. Complex tools would fit right on with for example the Roman empire, about 2000 years ago.
@@josku5 modern anatomical humans are 300,000 years old... There are people living in caves today with no modern tools. The pyramids of Giza were older to Cleopatra, than Cleopatra is to us (around 6000 years old today). We barely have written text left from Cleopatra's time, let alone any idea what the civilization was called that built the pyramids. My point is that our evidence for civilization doesn't last very long, so just because we don't have preserved tools, doesn't mean they weren't around, why wouldn't they be around?
Another mind bender; Oxford University is 300 years OLDER than Machu Picchu
Hey Neil! Timber grader for an Australian east coast flooring manufacturer here. The grey sapwood, brown gum vein and the fact that it doesn’t plane easily leads me to believe the wood is spotted gum. If the gum vein stinks then it’s almost definitely spotted gum.
Great little bucket by the way!
Much as I hate plastic, I do like buckets made from it; they're cheap, reliable, and easily dug out of the trash.... But I have always admired the look and feel of buckets (and barrels or casks) made from rough-sawn wood and wondered how they're made. Watching this video was a real joy, as it shows that process in detail, and the thoughtful narration "fills in the gaps"!
Thanks very much Carl! Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
There are a handful of copper (the people who make barrels) videos on CZcams.
Can't remember the exact ones but there are, or at least were, a couple of traditional makers.
Edit George Smithwick, Sydney Living Museums.
First comment 😀! Love the project, and a 12-sided polygon is a dodecagon; a solid 12-sided shape is a dodecahedron.
I knew I knew it, just escaped me! Thanks very much! :)
Great work Neil! It might be good to weld the handle bracket onto the top ring to spread the weight out better and give a cleaner look. The bracket would only have to be a few mm longer.
As a bonus, carrying the bucket with anything heavy in it will then help tighten up that top ring.
A 2 dimensional shape with 12 sides is a dodecagon, if I'm not mistaken. And if it's a 3 dimensional shape with 12 sides, it's a dodecahedron.
I was just thinking about wooden buckets last night, looking at pictures of the old west, wondering how they managed with such things. Lo and behold you post this!! I've been around since the wood screw video, and still a big fan as ever, thanks for all the great videos through out the years Pask!!!!!
Terrific work Neil! Those buckets turned out great! Looks like you can check another project off of your bucket list! 👍👍😉😉
Neil, we like you because you are Pask Makes but we admire you because you are Pask Remakes.
Hurray!!! I love SWCs!!! 🎶It’s scrap, it’s crap, it’s firewood but some of the wood is good!!!🎶
Awesome job!!! ❤️❤️❤️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I really like that you returned to an old challenge, only to find that there was still some challenge to it! I also really appreciate you using basic tools. It makes the work a little bit more relatable.
Thanks Ben! It surprised me, I didn't expect to have any problems but it was a bad choice of wood. It worked out though, now others know not to do the same thing. :)
@@PaskMakes I like it though, because you showed us that it can still work with imperfect materials!
An old school Paskmakes viewer over here 🤠
I’m so happy to see a Scrapwood Challenge. They are why I subscribed to your channel back in the day.
Dodecagon (2 plus 10).
Thanks, Neil. Will the hardwood buckets function ok after the first swelling, or are they likely to dry out, ease back and leak more rapidly than softwood?
So glad you have another scrapwood challenge video up
Wow, episode 53 already! You've made so many beautiful things of the scrap wood.
Thanks very much! :)
Wow man this is awesome. Thank you so much - and for the free download! I HATE plastic so will definitely be trying to make a couple of these bad boys.
Best tutorial out there! Thank you so much. Everybody else skips stuff, you took it all the way through it n back. Been researching a simpler way of data for wooden “vessels” want to make a hot tub. Its the same concept. But bigger. I already know how to weld the wood stove for it. Its the woods that i was calculating. I was gonna go for hard wood but now i think ill build a prototype on soft first.
Loved that you showed all the modifications and changes as they happened allowing us to see the process fully rather than just showing us the final version huge respect! I currently have no need for a wooden bucket but I need a waste basket and a wooden bucket would work perfectly!
Really beautiful work! Never knew that flax paste could seal wood like that
I certainly didn't search out how to make a wooden bucket, but I stayed and watched. Fascinating.
Slightly thinner staves will have the same effect as softer wood.
When rings are driven to equivalent tension the contact area between staves will then result in a higher psi.
putting the rings on hot gives a much tighter and leak proof fit up after they cool down
That’s how coopers traditionally put on the rings on barrels, and wheelwrights put on the steel tyres on the wheels.
Honestly, this may be one of the first time I buy plans. For most things I like to let myself play around with design, but for something like this I think it will be be better to just use plans and jig templates. Wonderful as always sir
The absolute 🐐 of content to watch at 2 am
02::07 Reading your comment :)
I will be making several of these. You just make everything look so fun when you make it.
Make On my Friend.
Beautiful, as always. Just as an FYI - you're a carpenter but I see you always going for those big ol' bolts. Common Nails make great rivets and look so much better. I use 16 penny for their 1/8" shank diameter. If you want a really beefy rivet, those 60-penny spikes will do. With one head already formed, it's short work to peen over the other. You do have to heat the nail with your propane torch first, just to take out the work hardening that comes from the factory. Then just treat them like any other steel rivets. Those handle plates would have looked dreamy if you'd riveted them to the wood with some nails. Joining the ends of the bands would have been a simple job, too, so no need to drill for clearance of a big ol' bolt head! Just thought I'd throw that out there since I never see you using nails for rivets.
I was also thinking "rivets", although I was thinking of brass rods. I never would have thought of using big nails- and I have a big box of the things that somebody gave me... Thanks for that!
@@stevekreitler9349 Glad I could help! I've come to prefer nails simply because they're so uniform and cheap. You can get them in 1/8" and 1/4" diameters, and just have to remember to heat them to a low red so they're malleable.
@@threeriversforge1997 Have you tried annealing them first? I've done this with grade 8 bolts for various reasons- wire a bunch into a bundle, heat them red, then bury them in sand to cool slowly
. Easy-peasy.
@@stevekreitler9349 Sure enough. If you want to try something funny, anneal a handful of 16d nails and then challenge guys to drive them into some soft wood. Those things are super soft after you've taken the work-hardening out of them! Always good for a chuckle!
But, yea, if you're going to use nails for rivets, you have to anneal them first. Otherwise they're likely to split or bend over instead of mushrooming nicely.
I think we can all agree, those are some nice looking buckets.
awesome job Neil, love watching you figure it out. keep up the good work. Ron
This was really cool, loved the video, thank you! I remember watching a video on an Australian cooper George Smithwick, he still makes buckets the traditional way, if you're ever in his area it would be really cool to see a visit to him if he was ok with it :)
You could simplify the build further by making two extra long panels and make a handle out of some rope and pass it through holes made in the top of the protruding panels
the downside of a rope as handle is that it could falls down in the bucket though, but honestly a great idea! i think i'll try that myself (:
i prefer rope over metal since rope is easier to make yourself & producing it has less impact on the environment
So, even you make mistakes and have to redo ... it's always great to see that happening as it gives us mere mortals the will to carry on when things don't quite work the first time ... fantastic!
No worries Barry! Everyone makes mistakes, it's all part of the story! :)
You are always creative in all the works that you display through this channel
Nice work as always! Always appreciate when you use common tools and methods for us weekender types.
Thanks Nick - glad it was helpful! I still enjoy making things with basic tools so sometimes it makes sense to show a simple method. :)
Question Neil due to an observation: along with using a softer wood, wouldn't it be easier to use thinner metal band [say 1-1.5mm]? It's still plenty strong, and with downward pressure would then be compelled to follow the shape of the bucket. I'm asking because of the visible gaps between the metal and the bucket [24:25]. Anyway, thanks for all the helpful tips over the years. God bless.
Thanks Dan! The straps don't need to be thick and you're right 1- 1.5mm would be plenty strong enough. I really do like the look of the thicker ring though and I quite like the facets with the gap. As I said in the video the only issue was the crazy density of the wood I chose, it was a bad choice. :)
@@PaskMakes You could measure out and prebend the ring to the shape of the bucket.
And if you still wanted the round ring look, file the inside to fit the profile
Hey thank you for posting the plans! Nice job the buckets look great.
Thanks for sharing your work. The angles do my head in. Will keep going and will get there in the end. Thanks for plains.
Your ability to pivot and make corrections on the fly is really amazing. As always, fascinated by your work.
Things are always going to go wrong so what's important is what you do to make them right.
Even though you said no Glue I kept expecting you to take the tape off and start glueing it up. 🤣
Absolutely brilliant.
Well he did use glue for the bottom.
Thrilled to see another Scrapwood Challenge. I think these are my favorite videos.
Thanks for the plans!
“…plus I also needed a couple of buckets!” 😂 love it!!
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Nice to see that you work safe and healthy! Do you have some kind of a list of buckets you want to make in the future? Something like a bucketlist?
booo /pos
Pretty amazing! Great build 👍
Nice job 👍. Thanks for sharing your project.
12 sided polygon is a dodecagon. Cool bucket! Though I am wondering why you didn't just make a rabbet for it to slot into the groove.
Thanks Bekah! The staves are angled over so it wouldn't fit anyway, also the taper wedges into the groove and makes a seal. :)
Relaxing to watch. Thanks for sharing
Hi Neil, I just love your videos and have learnt so much from you. I am 74 years of age and starting to run out of energy. I remember well my parents laundry where they had four very large sinks made of a fine grain soft wood without any knots. Even our kitchen sink was the same timber. They never leaked as we had to leave at least two inches (5 cm) of water in the bottom at all times. We had a wringer in one sink that was water driven to spin the clothes dry. I don't recall worrying about water consumption then as our clothes line was raised and lowered also by the mains water pressure! Keep up the great work and when we are in Noosa next I would love to catch up. Cheers, Roger.
I can't stop watching your videos. I was looking for a bit of inspiration today, and I ended up finding alot. Thanks, you're great at everything. Looking though many videos you've posted, I noticed that you never use a measurement transfer Guage? Or maybe I just haven't seen it yet? I went on the better part of 30 years, not using one, and have found myself using them more and more. I actually avoided using them when they started to become popular. Maybe it was pride, or being set in my ways, but I've warmed up to them. I've always tried to use new technology as it comes out. I try not to just try every new thing, because there are a ton of fads that pass. If I see something that will truly make my life easier though, I'll give it a good go. I usually end up modifying it, or making my own, but I try my best not to do things solely out of habit. I hope I keep learning, for as long as I have on this spining rock. I truly appreciate what you've created here.
Could you burn rings in, like you would fit handle to chisel?
I love all your videos. What you make, how you do it, and how you present it.
My whole life is a Scrapwood Challenge, so I'm bloody glad I found your channel.
Super nice project. Thanks for sharing.
you say you used cypress on the last bucket, would it be safe to drink the water from this bucket ?
table saws give me major anxiety
like i can deal with'em myself
but every time i see someone else dealing with them i can't help but imagine the worse
please be careful
only the skilled ones get hurt by these stuff
they wouldn't upload the video to their youtube channel if it went wrong
@@nebulium6641 obviously
I just can't help that anxiety seeing fingers near power saws
Good to see you back to your roots scrap wood 🪵 challenge is great 👍 beautiful bucket 🪣
Thanks Allen! :)
For future reference on identifying this timber is that it’s most certainly brown tree wood
The video says no glue, however the bottom of the bucket uses glue 🤔
I think the idea is that the bottom would be substituted with a larger single piece, but they glue together smaller parts to recycle wood scraps. The actual body of the bucket doesnt use glue
its a natural resin they used to make back in the day.
@@crystalclover2247 it’s just weird to have no glue in the thumbnail as a clickbait rather than just not saying “no glue” when there is glue in the build.
@@crystalclover2247 still wrong, he say no glue
@@ottobass9193 Good grief, so use a single wide piece, if it's that important to you. The word you're looking for is pedantic. Sometimes, you just have to use common sense. I love this one.
See kids you too can make stuff at home. All you need is tens of thousands of dollars of high tech equipment. It’s just that easy!
Pask, Cheers! I Love the bucket lessons learned. Im excited to try one myself. Thank you!!
I appreciate seeing all the variations
YES we enjoyed it a lot. Thank you so much for doing it for us. Regards and a lot of love.
Thank you for all the tips about doing this with simple metal working tools, I'm sure I'm not the only woodworker that doesn't have fancy metal tools and it's really inspiring to see what can be done with a hacksaw and a file.
Such satisfying work to watch - and hopefully to do too!
They look lovely, so much skill, thanks so much, great video.
Thanks for the plans! Time to make a few buckets. Really important skill to add.
My fire company has an hand pumped engine made in 1799. It is made out of white oak. Every few years we pull it out and pump it. The wood requires to soak over night before it stops leaking.
In October, I toured Kentucky Cooperage. They make bourbon whiskey barrels out of white oak, with no glue, even on the heads (bottom & top). They hydraulically press the heads together. The cooper then hand places the staves and hand tightens hoops so tight, they do not leak. Each barrel is pressure tested with air and water to verify no leaks before being shipped.
It seems that white oak is a good material for being wet, but the bourbon barrels do leak a bit over the years that it ages the bourbon.
Enjoyed the video very much. I enjoy watching and listening to you. Good job!
Excellent project ,thanks for being able to download the plans .All ways wanted to be able to make a wooden bucket/ pale as I was told. Thanks for some great ideals Neil.
I like how you show the process of the things you learn along the way, not just one perfect bucket.
Amazing work, these are so cool! 👍
Great stuff Neil!
Nice job as always!
Amazing work!
I enjoyed the video very much. Thank you for posting this.
As always great work, at my local Men's Shed we've been using same principle to make half barrels to use as planters, lucky dip tubs etc, it's a great project that uses up lots of scrap wood. Cheers
Skillful build mate, I appreciated the ground flaxseed hack - great traditional project.
Thanks for showing making the steel ring with simple tools. I will need that. Love your videos, especially the Scrap Wood Challenges, the theme is perfect!
A friend of mine used to make planters like this for his Rhododendron plant business. One thing he did was make a dado where you have the steel rings. In the dado he would put a nylon strap and using a tensioner pull it tight and clasp it with a stainless steel clasp. I've been wanting to make some myself but haven't figured out the angles. Your video helped a lot so I'm going to try it. Thanks, you are very skilled.
Those buckets are so great!
Pask awesome project. I really love this retro and simple design. Hopefully you get great use out them for many years ahead. Can't wait to see more videos soon my friend. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God Bless.
Enjoyed very much, as usual. Congratulations on 1M!!!
Thanks very much Steve! :)
Great work! My grandfather was a woodworker & made a couple of buckets. He used many of the methods that you do. The one difference he did was to attach the handle to the upper ring. He said that it used the weight of the full bucket to help p seat the ring & keep things tight. He used parafin wax & linseed oil between the staves & on the bottom for waterproofing.