What is needed for the UK MSVA? - 8kW Enduro MSVA eBike V3 Build - Part 20
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- With the bike virtually ready for it's MSVA test, here is a rundown and walk around of what I have done to satisfy the manual. Everyone will have their own take on this and I've probably gone slightly ott but will hopefully pass!
Patreon: / everythingebike
Sections:
0:50 - Stands
2:51 - Mirrors
3:45 - Speedometer
4:34 - Horn
5:16 - Lighting
9:16 - Security
11:10 - Brakes
16:27 - Tyres
17:29 - Design and construction
Main parts used so far:
Frame - www.alibaba.com/product-detai... (actually bought on ebay from djanowicz but would now recommend www.cloudsto.com/ebikes/frame...)
3000W Motor - alienpowersystem.com/shop/bru...
ANT-BMS - www.cloudsto.com/ebikes/bms-1...
Controller - www.aliexpress.com/item/10050... and look for one with adjustable regen connector and motor temp sensor)
Moto Seat - www.alibaba.com/product-detai... (Again, bought from ebay but this is the style)
Aluminium 18” Rims - bit.ly/3rz0jCN
Michelin City ProTyres - www.tyretectrading.co.uk/mich...
DNM USD-8 Forks - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DNM-USD-8-...
Brake light - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184255666105
Indicators - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384082460256
Headlight - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284256329306
Headlight housing - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304020958345
Kickstand - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271579957492
Handlebar switches - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171785772372 , www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254917098258
Hubsinks and ferrofluid - hubsink.com/
Cells:
This is the seller on endless sphere forum endless-sphere.com/forums/mem....
And here are the datasheets and pictures - endless-sphere.com/forums/vie...
Contact him if you like them and you can either collect from London or have them posted in europe i believe.
Very informative, looking forward to seeing your video of it passing & registering!
The one thing I didn't like about the upside down forks is front mudguard availablity.
I wanted to put a close to the tyre type mudguard.
Ebike is looking good 👍
Yea I'm also trying to source front and rear mudguards that sit close to the tyres not a fan of the motocross type I've got the same rear mudguard as shown in this video however it doesn't stop the mud splatter up my back perhaps its because I went with different tyres not really sure.
Same here, I haven't found a solution yet. Either something near the top that won't get in the way but also not that effective or something to mount on the plastic protectors that move with the wheel maybe?
Am currently looking at having some custom made found a UK classic motorcycle shop that will make them in any size you want then it would just be a case of sorting out mounting them ive thought about replacing the plastic shields with metal and could then use these to mount a front mudguard to
Great build and good luck when you get your appointment, good to see you got the width of the indicators correct 😀, you forgot to mention front mudguard.
Yes that has been mentioned to me and is on my to do list. I'm not sure if it's required but will be handy to have.
Don't forget
some cable wrap for your rear indicators 👍
On the to do list... 😁
Good luck bud.
👍
I wish i could do that in the states. However unfortunatly with out a MSO I cant get my bike street legal..It sucks, I am really thinking about getting a Zero FXS and just use my bike build for fun at EV meetups or somthing! Great job bro i am using some of your earlier vids to take apart one on my motors! I could not have done it without your info bro..Much appreciated❤❤👌🏽👌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Shame the rules are so different in different countries although I wouldn't exactly call it an easy (or cheap) process here! Not sure if the Zero can be modded but that could get pretty wild :)
@@EverythingEbikeChannel Well that would just be light mods..nothing special bro (maybe some fast charger mod or somthing ) I really would just love to register my bike and ride..lol..However i have to accept the reality here in the states..I start my motocycle classes soon going to just have two bike for diffrent adventures bro..lol!
Have you got a link for where to get the brake levers and calipers? Thanks.
They were 2nd hand off ebay so not really, put in 'sur ron brake system' and see if there's anything on there at the moment. I believe you can get the whole kit fron SurRon directly but it was much more expensive.
@@EverythingEbikeChannel thank you!
Hello mate. I'm thinking of building the 8kw one legal. I was wondering what controller you're using right now since you've said its your third time now with the sabvoton ?
Thanks
Still on a sabvoton as it works fine once it's had a moment to think when starting up! I can't face having to redesign all the mounts for a different model but also don't want to waste more money on another sabvoton.
@@EverythingEbikeChannel ok kl. Thanks for the update. 👍
Hello~ I would like to know the capacity of the battery and maximum driving distance one charge
Capacity is 40Ah and I'm estimating range is 40-50 miles but could be more if ridden lower or less if faster 🤷♂️
Did you ever have the overcurrent code pop up and disable the bike while riding
I had it once when turning the bike on with the headlight on and the buck converter caused a large inrush, but otherwise no. I'm not sure how it would get triggered when riding as the controller should regulate the current before it realises it's over the set limit?
Is there a costing list anywhere for this bike ?? Thanks 👍 and great vids
Yes there is actually, I've been making a list as I go along and here is a link to a copy docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WzIw-G7iXVlf3pDyyVKei--h8o94CCK3q2I5SMEO9jM/edit?usp=sharing . It's not got everything and it has a few random planning notes on it but I'll go through the costing properly and break it down once everything's finished which should be mid-end of summer.
@@EverythingEbikeChannel Excellent very well done and appreciate the content and help highly recommend anyone to listen to this guy he's got it locked down
Hey dude im in the uk here can do help with speed controller repairs?
I'm no professional but depends what's wrong. If it's blown mosfets they're fairly easy to replace but what's the issue?
I can't see the manual talking about brake fluid level? Except Pg 154 "reason for failure indicated service efficiency is less than required." Surely if it is not indicated it cannot fail? I mean drum pad brakes are not indicated.
Also the external projections section, I don't see why only the ball ends of clutch levers of that section applies when everything else is apparently not applied. I say apparently not applied because the section does not start with "This inspection applies to all vehicles with the exception of mopeds fitted with non retractable pedals". Instead that paragraph of optionality comes after a paragraph about foot positions. Could it only relate to the foot position requirements? But if it was only to be optional in relation to the foot positions I would expect it to be in the same paragraph. Did you ask your email contact about these points? BTW what is your max range, Motor hub power and battery size?
On page 133 it talks about 'Check that hydraulic system reservoirs are so designed and constructed that the level of the reserve fluid can be easily checked' which is where I got the fluid level bit from. As to the ball ends, I emailed DVSA directly as I wasn't sure either and they said external projections apply to all vehicles, but then the manual also says not if you have pedals🤔. I know that's what other people have done and I'm playing it on the safe side so will see if they mention anything when it goes it for test.
@@EverythingEbikeChannel I totally missed the "brakes" section ha ha. Thank you. It might be worth looking at EAPCs on the market to see what braking systems they have used and the projections on their bikes which have passed the test.
Link to stand?
Found it. Thank you.
Look into using motorcycle levers with adaptors to fit the bicycle hose. Check the ebike nut channel, he has a good video on how to do this. This should help clear any obstacles with regard to brake levers testing.
I saw his vid actually, but only after I'd done my setup. Will bear in mind if I need a different way of doing the brakes
audible tell tales for indicators were stopped in the 80's after only a few years of use as it (supposebly) caused confusion (in rare circumstances if ever) at pelican crossings where it was decided that an approaching motorcycle beeping could confuse a blind person into stepping out into a road full of traffic. dvla guy obviously not old enough to remember such things. it also could be urban myth stuck in tha back of my mind, dvla often introduce things then pull them, like dim dip headlights activated by sidelights which caused issues with halogen bulbs....
have you spotted the little funny in the msva about indicators, they /must/, it says must, be tested with the bike powered up and at 50% throttle, now i dont know how fast an msva tester can run....page 42, first paragraph of section 6)(of the 207 page pdf)
Yes I did notice the 50% throttle bit, I don't get it but wondered if it's to do with the 12v battery dipping under load?
@@EverythingEbikeChannel yup voltage dip is an issue on old 50cc mopeds with a tiny 2ah lead acid battery so 50% throttle was used to bring the voltage up from the generator, being pre alternator bikes.
Aw man, I'm definitely not a fan of registering these bikes there's a few guys that have done it and I'm of the opinion that we should be flying about in the grey area for as long as possible... dunno man if you use it after you register it then fair play 🤷♂️ but I'll be riding dirty until forced otherwise 🤪 just opens the door to being pulled and definitely gives em more rights to hit your pockets with fines
I totally get it and I had my old ebike all under the radar, but this whole build is an experiment to see what it's like having a registered one. I remember having a constant feeling of being on lookout with my unregistered bike and am trying to solve that but am totally fine with people not doing that. It might be a moneypit and and not work out but here goes! Keep riding dirty :)
@@EverythingEbikeChannel thanks for the reply man I will be watching to see the progress 👍 hehe I'll do my best 😉 I've learned a few bits from watching your channel and think your content has been valuable 💪 good luck with the registration process and the road riding
kelly controller for wheelies (Y)
Interesting to hear, will definitely look into that for the future! Have you had experience with any other brands to compare?
Far driver
yeah if only brake levers for bikes could be bought that apply to EU regulations. i have spent weeks looking for them that have a fluid level indicator with switches and ball end levers. they just do not exist in the world. i went direct to SurRon to ask if i could just buy the master cylinders and levers but they will not sell you them. the only other legal ones were the Tektro HD-E710 but sadly they do not make them anymore and just cant get hold of them.
we have 2x bikes we want to make legal but they are doing everything they can to prevent it. no money in being legal!
cable driven disk brakes are good to 30-40mph, they will outbreak your rear tyre traction.... you can also 'move' the master cylinder to the brake caliper and have hybrid cable operated hydraulic brakes and they will never notice. (thats what i have bought) - msva says it must be possible to check fluids level with bikes supplied tool kit, most brakes have a hex head filling level screw, so tape an allen key to the bike and boom you can check the level.....(thats my current interpretation of the docs
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I'll ask them about using the filling port as a fluid checker when I get it tested, that would allow a lot more ebike brakes to be used.