Which Warhammer? AoS or 40K!
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- Seen a lot of videos about which Warhammer army to pick but a lot fewer about which Warhammer to play; so I thought I'd choose that topic for my first video! Its...
a bit of a mess, but I am proud of it.
Mostly from a lore and model perspective; 2020 was a bad year to go from reading lore and playing video games to the tabletop game in hindsight.
Do please leave a comment if this is something even partway interesting; I'd love to make more videos. More importantly let me know if I helped make a decision here, or if the video is a flaming pile of garbage. Happy Holidays and take care!
0:00 - Introduction
0:50 - Warhammer 40K Lore
4:23 - Warhammer 40K Models
5:27 - Discussing Some Downsides
8:04 - Age of Sigmar Lore
10:24 - Age of Sigmar Models
11:27 - Age of Sigmar Downsides
12:11 - Which Warhammer Should You Go With? - Hry
40k: extremely dark. Me: Plays salamanders to light that shit up
One of like 5 nice groups in the entire cursed galaxy, hell yeah man
@@pancreasnowork9939 and the flame throwers aint bad either!
What are other 4 nice groups?
@@lorgren4002
Lamenters chapter are all bros. The Space Wolves can be pretty good when they aren’t going full brutal Viking murderer, 50/50 shot really.
Craftworld Iyanden is a pretty nice group for Eldar.
Uhhhh, I guess the Tau? Compared to most others they’re pretty solid. Sort of mind control isn’t that bad compared to routine ethnic cleansing.
If they are called salamanders then why don't they SALivate?
The one true answer is to play both with the same army: Daemons.
Specifically Legion of the First Prince for AoS and just the Daemons Codex for 40k.
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lol That's why I picked them. Don't have anyone to play AoS with yet
That's what i did.
PRAISE TZEENTCH!!!!
Daemons are the best army. They’re easy to paint for beginners, have a lot of cool backstory and lore, and can be played in AOS, 40k, warcry, and kill team
@@gudboah4688 Can even play them in 30k, and when it finally comes out, the Old World setting.
I think one thing I like more about AoS, is that the storyline actually progresses meaningfully (if you do like keeping up with that sort of stuff). They aren't afraid to have major lore characters become actually defeated, destroying cities (with their own rules etc) in the background etc.
I agree, it’s nice to see major changes like that occur. The only issue I have as far as that goes is that (to me anyways) when a city is destroyed in AoS it functionally is the same as a planet getting destroyed in 40K.
The way I see it because the realms are essentially infinite narratively speaking destroying a major location only matters so much. Like when a planet gets destroyed it’s a big deal but it probably isn’t gonna skate the narrative up much because unless it’s a once in a blue moon event like Cadia it will never even enough to cause the setting to shift. Being across the galaxy or the same segmentum as Terra doesn’t really mean much beyond the writer TELLING us it means a lot.
With AoS the issue is similar. “A city got destroyed at the edge of the realm” and “a city got destroyed in another realm” narratively speaking aren’t that different; a big disaster happened but not somewhere that will make Sigmar and his Sigmarines lose any major ground permanently because then the war game wouldn’t exist.”
I fully admit I could just be biased but compare it to fantasy where every location is solid and set and stone as opposed to “another realm of infinite size” and it feels a lot less significant.
That could just be me though again, and for character deaths and lore like with Morathi and Khaine AoS definitely doesn’t hold any punches in a great way.
AOS is weak , it exist in infinite realms. Deus Ex machina much?
@@danmc9872 That's not what deux ex machina means. The realms have been a part of the setting since the beginning and their scale doesn't take away from the impact of story events
@@danmc9872 Oooh, You got owned mate!
Thats gay. Its a tabletop game not a game-as-a-service. Give us a static setting and let us make our own stories. They killed the Bretonnians and Steel Legion. Two armies i wanted to play but can't now without using shitty third parties and non-canon rules.
If you want cool lore, go with 40k.
If you want breathtaking models, go with AOS. Seriously they look amazing. They are also god damned cheaper than 40k.
How come AOS is cheaper?
I personal like AoS Lore a lot more. 40k seems like it regurgitates a lot of the lore across armies. Gets bland and repetitive, Seems like the devs on the AOS side are much more passionate with Lore and Models.
@@hiddenleaf414 AOS isn't very popular. Like at all. Can't say i'm a fan either but their models are dope.
I think 40k is cooler because they have guns
Imagine how mutch cooler Gandalf would be if they gave him a glock
Probably should've pointed out that 40k is a very stagnant setting, even after 8th ed's changes, while interesting narrative events that can alter the world permanently occur on a somewhat regular basis in AoS
Yeah, there’s a few things I would’ve changed about this video. Maybe I’ll remake it later on; it was my first though and I’m still happy with it. I appreciate the ideas though!
69 likes, make a wish!
what really draws me into age of sigmar is, not just the fact it's still fantasy and i like fantasy, but it has the Forge of heroes for making a custom hero model. Like, that has so much homebrew and kitbashing potential i love it.
Wow, I am blown away by the quality and presentation of this video. This is exactly the type of thing you want to see as someone's "debut" on youtube. I have subscribed, and I hope that you continue to grow, as I love your analytical approach and sense of humor. Great work man, the beginning is difficult, but if you keep this level of quality up I have no doubt you'll go places.
This comment made my damn day man, thank you so much for the sub and the kind words
instaBlaster...
As one who has also joined the GW universe in 2020, well done! Liked and subscribed!
Appreciate it! Hopefully 2021 holds more games of Warhammer than quarantine did!
as a third person who did this i agree (Although I like picking random kits outside my faction(s) as painting projects)
69 likes, make a wish!
PancreasNoWork: which Warhammer?
Me: yes. XD
Admittedly I'm doing 40k right now, but them ghosts have been calling me since I saw that dang carriage.
I’m partial to man sized, rats myself. And if that isn’t the story of the hobby, “I wish I could bankrupt myself on BOTH settings.”
me and my 12 year old daughter are playing Age of Sigmar. We're doing Stormcast and Nighthaunts. I LOVE it so far. The minis are so cool. It's a good bonding experience with my daughter.
As someone that has played 40k, fantasy and aos over the past 20 plus years. Currently own daemons they can be used in 40k (single army with solid allies) or aos (can be used as 4 different armies) and orks which are exclusively 40k.
AOS is currently getting the most interesting development. It is also the most fun in terms of current game state.
40k has this strange feeling of stagnation, sort of like what fantasy had before they tossed it and hit the reset button, ushering in AOS. I don't think they want a 9th age repeat, but they need to put some serious effort into something beyond space marine lieutenants. The necron and dark eldar codices that have recently been released both indicate positive change. Although the dark eldar release is slightly blemished for stacking two dark eldar books ontop of each other.
I've played both games and gotten into the lore of them and personally i prefer the game system of 40k however they are both pretty much the same game with a few changes here and there.
Also great work on this video i agree with everyone else when they say you should have more subscribers, great job.
It is nice that they’re similar, means you don’t have to have a degree in tabletop games or some crap to understand what the hells going on if you switch. And thank you! I can only hope it keeps growing like it has.
@@pancreasnowork9939 I mean... The learning curve for 40k is pretty steep. I started playing with Necrons in 7th ed. the hit and wound difference made my head spin, with the different weapon damage and different mode of fire...
This is hard for me because I love the scfi esthetics of 40k but I also really like different races working together against a common foe and different cultures interacting with each other without going straight to violence which it sounds like AoS does.
I love your channel dude, I've learned so much about Warhammer AOS/Fantasy
Also I love that sound clip of orks screaming waahh
I'm gonna collect all figurines and play none.
3 best ways in my opinion:
1. Go Daemons of Chaos to be able to play in both worlds with one army. It can easily be expanded with the 4 different god subtypes or thanks to Bel'akor as Chaos Undivided in both games. Mix in mortals if you feel like getting specific AoS/40k stuff. It's pretty easy to go on after starting with it. Not to mention that Chaos Daemons alone have 4 different Start Collecting Boxes that give you huge savings.
2. Save on going Elite and you can cheaply start a decent Ogor Mawtribes and Adeptus Custodes Force at the same time.
3. Starter Set madness: Invest Starter Sets and get 4 armies (2 AoS and 2 40k) for even greater discounts. But be warned, as it is easy to get overwhelmed by the upcoming task of building and painting all this plastic. But then again, if you find someone to share the cost you both can get 1 army for each game for only 50% of the already discounted box set price. NICE!
4. Bonus idea, but kinda silly:
Thousand Sons uses a lot of Arcanites of Tzeentch units, so you could basically built an army out of different shades of Tzaangors + Mutalith Vortex Beasts + Chaosspawn + Ogroid Thaumathurge/Daemon Prince Kitbashes. It can be used in both games and easily reinforced with more Tzeentch Daemons in both games.
Or use Poorhammer and only play with stand-ins with friends or try some Wargames that don't care as much about models. For example, I have a Ratkin/Veer-myn force that I use for both Kings of War and Warpath. They even sell mostly the same ratmen models for both games, and I just got some cheap bases and magnets online and bam, now I can just change bases for each game but still use the same models. Nice 😎👍
Hope these ideas helped someone.
But yeah, Chaos Daemons are most likely the best choice. Can use them 40k, AoS, KillTeam, Warcry, Warhammer 30k/Horus Heresy (as Daemons of the Ruinstorm) and even as Daemons in outside games that are not model bound (as Abyssials/Nightstalker army). It really would be hard to beat them in terms of usability for different games.
This is an awesome video, was completely surprised at how few subs you have, I was expecting like a few thousand based on the quality. You earned a new sub, I'm thinking of getting into AoS and this was great to help
I appreciate that! That’s the dream to get that many, hope one day I can see it. Hope you can find the right faction; I’m partial to rats myself.
@@pancreasnowork9939 I still have no idea which army I'm gonna go for, I'm probably not actually play with them, just paint them up but I've narrowed it down to Sylvaneth, Fyreslayers, Idoneth Deepkin or the Lumineth Realm Lords
This is both fun and informative. Good job
Your content is incredible. I hope you keep up with the do or don't series.
When I got into the hobby I decided to go with Age of Sigmar because of the Aztec Dinosaurs (I mean come on). We were still in 1st edition growing pains but I wasn't aware of the vitriol that was happening online. Thankfully that hate has died down with 2nd edition and the game's community is much more healthy so if you hear about Age of Sigmar being bad on the internet odds are it goes back to 1st which did start on a bad foot. But the game has recovered greatly and I am having fun with it. I enjoy the more laid back nature of the game. And it looks like 3rd edition will be just around the corner. I have started getting into 40k but I'm still in the process of painting my tyranids so it may be a while before I can fully play. I had an 8th edition codex but the rules just seemed confusing to me but I haven't looked at 9th yet. I figure though once I get a few games in this won't be a problem.
I have a similar issue with the rules of 40k. The rules are extremely bloated, to the point that I dont think it is possible for them to expmain it simply. I decided for this reason to play my own, stupidly simplified version, and honestly, (mind you this is only MY opinion) I think that re-rolls are one of the biggest problems. Again I ain't slamming GW for their game system, but I feel like bolt-action's alternative activations and no re-rolls is a better system. (Then again, bolt-action IS still only in 2nd ed, so I can only HOPE they dont mess anything up in the future.)
Excellent work, really well put together and engaging throughout. I'm thinking of getting back in to playing one of these, after not playing since my teens. Still not quite decided (I used to play fantasy) but, either way, spending some time painting models again seems a nice escape at the moment!
I got into it all through the Total War games, I really wish I was around for fantasy now that I’m into it all. And no kidding, painting models is a great way for some sanity nowadays!
How do u play them tho? Do u have friends or something? When and how do u play them? Do u invite some stranger off the internet into your home? Like...how?
@@theemperor1379 the best way to start would be to go to a games workshop store. Unfortunately they mostly only let you purchase the minis and paints currently, but when things start opening up again you should be able to play games of Warhammer against the people in the store and just hang out in general. And of course if you know a few friends who are/want to get into the hobby then you can always invite them over to play.
@@pancreasnowork9939 lmao. That's a bit hard to do. I live in Sweden and the only games workshop store exist in the South one in Stockholm and one in Gothenburg iirc. That's like 5-6hr drive lol. 400-500 km. Not that possible.
Great video, I decided to to AoS. As a WoW refugee, it feels good, i'm excited to start painting!
man this is a pretty good video; been collecting 'nids since 2011 and playing AoS since 2018 and it was still fun to watch
Glad to hear it! And damn, I should be taking advice from you. Can’t speak from experience but must be interesting to see the hobby change over time, huh?
@@pancreasnowork9939 honestly 40k has remained mainly the same, I'm really glad to see it get more and more popular though, fantasy to AoS was a weird change for me and took me a while to get on board, but now honestly I prefer it to 40k in lots of ways. Idoneth Deepkin is easily my top 3 warhammer factions ever
Awesome video! Keep up the great work.
Of course! More to come hopefully soon.
This is absolutely awesome, if you take requests it would be funny to have you do any kind of Genestealer Cult video, since they have some common mechanics with Eldar
Appreciated! And I take them into consideration yes, the only thing is that I don’t want to make a video on an army I’m not too familiar with. Lore is no issue, but I’d like to play against them first as well. That being said if I can make a video for all factions like I did the Eldar than I will ASAP!
is this truly where the legend began?
Love your take. I am a 40k Ork player looking for new ways to burn money so why not AoS orks too??? Haha fantastic video, great humor. Laughed out loud at some of your descriptions. Liked and subbed brother. WAAAAAAGH!!
Much appreciated, I hope da green gods give you a proper fight on the tabletop in both systems!
I pick fantasy, the good fantasy, fantasy.
You mean pre- Archaon just happens to finds an ex-machina and blows up everything because reasons- fantasy?
Your videos have convinced me to get a good bar brawl going along my like, subscribe, and bell notification buttons. "WAAAAAAAGH!!!"
This was mildly helpful. Thank you.
Choice has never been an option!
40k, Age of Sigmar, Blood Bowl. Necromunda.
It's all Warhammer! Life is too short to waste on anything else.
Oh, the Old World and the new Horus Heresy are still coming ...
Of course, how could I make such a mistake? Nothing but Warhammer!
Life is too short to waste on warhammer
I can’t say anymore than what’s already been said. Brilliant video. Look forward to watching more.......
It’s appreciated either way man, thanks!
I highly recommend if you like daemons I would say get a start collecting box for them
That way you can try both games out and see which you rather and if you ever want to try it out again you can still use your daemons
The Age of Empires music made me feel so happy
Thank John Blanche for the artstyle of the Imperium. He is a legend
like i jokingly told my warhammer store guy, any universe where dudes that can set you on fire with their mind and fly around on magic frisbees is not scifi
Speaking of DnD, I read about a DnD campaign someone played that turned out to be the backstory setup for a Rogue Trader campaign bringing into Rogue Trader the companions and world from the DnD game he had played. He completed the campaign and a dropship came down and someone came out telling him he was the heir to a Rogue Trader dynasty. It was pretty awesome.
As someone who went all in AOS as a newbie a month ago…… thank you. Dominion box set and a start collecting kharadron overlords box has me busy and the lore is great!!
I’ve been a fan of Warhammer for a long time and I’ve played a lot of Dawn of War and Total Warhammer, but only recently I’ve decided to get into the actual tabletop games. I’m more well versed in the lore and setting of 40k, but I understand AoS is better for someone who’s new to tabletop wargames. I have a general idea of what faction I’d start as in either setting, but I don’t really have the funds to expend on multiples armies at this point. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Beyond “Fantasy vs Sci-Fi,” I think I might go with 40K if you want more people to play against. By that I mean in my experience there’s a few more people that play 40K than AoS. Check with your local game store first of course. As for rules I believe AoS is a bit simpler like you said, but given how complex both of them are I’d say the issue of which one is more complex isn’t one that’s worth affecting which game you go with.
Always love 40k and WHFB lore and setting but I never got into the tabletop games because I don’t see myself sitting down and painting the figures.... poorly too probably.
Kinda wish they had an option to buy them prepainted so some can just hop in and play. Though I understand people love painting and customizing their figures.
You could buy second hand models already painted for relatively cheap on eBay if you’re interested enough. There’s also people that will paint them for you though that’ll cost you a bit if you want to go that route. Might even assemble for you as well.
@@pancreasnowork9939 ill look into that
Two easy choices, second hand.
Or
you can go the commission painting route. (This will cost you, but you can get what you want)
I started with 40K, fell in love with chaos, really wanted to try AoS, now I’m buying the shit out of daemons and I play both and LOVE the army!
For now, it’s 40,000. I’ve started collecting Raven Guard (Codex compliant chapter) and managed to build a decently sized Incursion force so I’m moving onto Dark Angels (Non Codex compliant chapter) and Drukhari (Xenos). If and when I do get into Age of Sigmar, it’ll be for those Daughters of Khaine (Order), but even in Britain plastic crack is already expensive enough for one who is collecting 3 armies.
Your wallet must be like a revolving door; exactly as it should be, well done. The Vermintide and the space elves keep me perfectly bankrupt myself, and I'm sure the edgy eldar and the clown brigade aren't far behind.
I prefer age of sigmar cause it's actually affordable and the miniatures in my opinion are better and the armies are diverse
WHY NOT BOTH?
Because I can't afford both lol
Peraonaly ive been falling out of love with 40k since 8th started and then stopped after 9th and aos seemed to simple in its statblocks for what i was after to i went and started playing 8th edition fantasy with my uncles of vampire counts then started collecting ogres and then moved over to army project and im loving it
I like the purification thing in Age of Sigmar. It highlights that Sigmar wants to _save_ people from Chaos. Not just smash daemon face.
Ayyy AOE music! Nice also I like both though I like dragons and etc more
The Age of Mythology background music was not lost on me 🤙
It’s a goddamn classic game with a classic soundtrack
I feel lime I'm focusing more on AoS than 40k.
I never get tired of the WAAAAGH!!s in warhammer vidoes
AoS has some some sick minis, and elves models younger than me
“There are no good guys here”
*shows a picture of the T’au*
They’re good guys by the standards of Warhammer, which has such a fucked morality system that it doesn’t mean anything. Like imagine the T’au (mind controlling, caste system, expansionist and all that good stuff) in Star Wars or something and you’ve got the bad guys right there.
Granted that’s more recent lore; old lore yeah they were just the good guys with vagina foreheads.
The song at 1:10 is very nostalgic. It must be from some old strategy game.
My solution: Kit Bash & Homebrew
Have the best of both worlds!
But as much as I love the hi tech stuff in W40k; Orks, Tau, Space Marines, Astra Milatarum, Khorne, Tyranids, Necron,
Mechanicus
Custom made... stuff
Warhammer Fantasy scratches my itch with the Race variety I like; Beast Men, Lizard Men, Skaven or Dwarven Engineers - because Engineers are something every Fantasy needs - blending Fantasy & Scifi with Engineering
Although, that technically can also exist in W40k...
LOVE IT
It's always funny when you hear him running out of breath and wondering if he can finish the sentence before he faints.
Vermintide 2 got me into Warhammer but not with Rogue Trader it’s starting to consume me.
I’m dangerously close to shelving all my Pathfinder stuff and trading my kidney for some Warhammer figs
Total war got me into Warhammer. Then Vermintide 2 got me addicted to the fantasy universe and got me into the lore.
Not that I like 40k less(it's cool), fantasy just feels right to me.
This just makes me weep for Warhammer Fantasy and the wee halflings that perished.
Got to honesly say that moth for models and lore AOS is just better. Main problem with 40k is how small it is. It's just imperium and a little but if chaos with almost everyone else forgotten. That's not the case with AOS.
Wait. Age of Empires music? :D
I recognize the Simple song from Rise of Nations!!!
You wanna go insane. Have multiple armies in both AOS and 40K
I dont know why but in my mind you continued the "Christmas time is coming fast and its time to slap some eldar ass."
ha i can hear the age of empires music in the BG
please make a video about Gloomspite Gitz
Fun fact: there is music in the background from age of empires in this video
8:15 That's a real gun from the 1800s
I play both. And I can say that both are fun. BUT not mentioned in the video is that if you want to play both just play Daemons of chaos.
One great point it aos lore is that is not focused on the poster boys, and most of the factions have their part in the lore
Eldars are way deeper than fantasy elves.
But nobody can be bothered into reading their lore so they are treated as poorly as fantasy elves.
Can u do a vid about the army’s and for both warhammers
I’ve done one about the eldar, the 40k army I have. Do you mean another one like that?
@@pancreasnowork9939 like a guide to all the army’s
@@geezer5507 ah I gotcha, and I’d love to make videos like that. I want to play some more Warhammer games before I start doing them though, to make sure I know what I’m talking about.
If you can't decide: pick daemons, you can use them in both settings
I am a T'au player because I love big gun and giant meck
"There is only war." Me:"That's dope. " narrator: "that's so fu**in' cool. " me: "ya that is fu**in dope!!!." Why am I like this?
I used to not like Stormcast Eternals because of what happened in End Times but as I've learned more about em, and that they kick ass with Lizardmen on the side, is pretty awesome. Also Hamilcar Bear-Eater exists, and he's a fucking chad in Sigmar's holy image.
Make a vid on the fantasy setting before age of sigmar was a thing
what units are pictured in the bottom left picture at 6:08?
I believe that is a Kroot Carnivore Squad
Is it bad that I actually like the chaotic abomination at 6:17? Reminds me of a Talus in Gene Wolfe’s Book of the Long Sun
Yes, please see a doctor
I wish the Models would not be that expensive. The prices of the models is the thing that stops me from collecting the minis
the realms of age of sigmare are similar in size to a star sector in 40k jest without all the space.
For the game and ease of starting an army:40k
For the superior model sculpts and imaginative concepts: Age of sigmar
Though AOS demons toe the line as they can be used interchangeably
Always thought it’s gotta be nice for daemon players to more or less be able to switch between games at will. More power to em.
@@pancreasnowork9939 indeed, nearly lost my mind when I first learned that
I'd, disagree. AOS is actually about as deep imo due to the importance of positioning and playing the field compared to 40k. I'd say the big difference is AOS is a melee wargame with shooting and a focus on positioning, while 40k is a shooting wargame with melee and a focus on army building and threat assessment.
Age of sigmar is a lot easier to get into. From a starting a collection with the start collecting boxes, to the more streamlined rules
Fantasy, but if a gun was put to my head, I'd pick AoS just because I enjoy fantasy/fantasy-esque settings more.
I’ve started 40K, primed 3 space marines and I’ve added some nighthaunts to a gift list fuck me haha
I've been in the hobby roughly 3ish years now and i have 2 aos army's and 2 more 40k army's
Yeah i just built an arch warlock like a week ago and as you so wisely put it at 11:33, Fuck em.
Besides the fact that assembling the claw arm made me loose several months of my life i got screwed so hard because the staff was miscast or something, the "above hand" and "below hand" parts didnt line up in the slightest which forced me to spend like an hour trying to fix it in various ways (which of course sucked because for some reason this model is still metal).
To be fair this was the first metal model i built but jeez.
That AoE2 music tho
You can never go wrong with it
I forgot to ask, you know that age of sigmar and 40k has meet one each other like are a few artefacts what are technology from 40k and a high elf has enterd in the warp and observed a giant knight who destroyd a horde of nurgle will blue fire.
Very stupid question perhaps but new to Warhammer and want to get into the game. Can the 40k and AOS armies play against each other? Or are you limited to one or the other?
Not generally, though if you play Chaos Daemons you could use your collection/army in both games. They'll have different rules and the army will probably be structured differently, but Chaos Daemons exist across the two settings
And then your me, who has recently gotten into 40k through epic Armageddon and fantasy through warmaster, all powered by the almighty resin printer
Is that age of empires music?
Think of khorne releasing daemon Killa in aos
One issue with 40k is the only times they do change the setting or change a faction it's usually in a way everyone hates.
Corvus Belli’s Infinity
they are beyond over priced and people who say they aren't are huffing unbelievable amounts of copeium.....
I started getting into Warhammer about 8 years ago and back then, I just thought AoS was way cooler, because I liked the classic fantasy touch more than the future stuff. Because of that I bought and painted A LOT of AoS models. But well now I am thinking about buying some 40k too. I mean AoS doesn't have big ass tanks and cool robots and shit.
I don't play Warhammer but I love the lore. Personally I think it absolutely kills any other sci-fi universe in my opinion.
Orks are in my opinion besides the war loving aspect mostly unique
Yes
wait do i hear the mechanicus soundtrack in that video
You know, thinking on the ending descriptions, I realize something. 40K is best suited for if you prefer darkness and sheer possibility while AOS offers glimmers of light and more structure. In other words, 40K is more suited to those who favor the nihlistic doom of Chaos and AOS the relative nobility found in order factions.
*Laughs in Chaos Demons*